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Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Appleyard(m): 1:36pm On May 21, 2022
Opolopoopolonio:


Urban warfare in a territory that has already been occupied

So far, it's Russia that have been failing at their objectives and the little success stories they have so far has been at huge costs.

Russia is not the one losing lands, cities, towns and villages. Ukraine have already mobilized four times while Russia is still using it's old forces. Whether we like it or not, Ukraine is the greatest loser here.

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Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:39pm On May 21, 2022
Ukraine has lost Kherson and Kherson Oblast, Zaporizhzhia Oblast and, having been penetrated at Popasnaya and Izium, is about to lose the entirety of Donbas to Russia. That's 100,000 km sq of territory lost already to date.

The propaganda we hear is
One minute it's Russian tanks destroyed, then Russian Generals killed one after another, then Russia losing the war, and tens of thousands of Russian troops died etc etc..

.. But then the truth is we are witnessing one city fall after another, the latest being Mariupol when thousands of elite Azov surrendered. No matter what's been reported on Russia's loss, we still do not see the Ukrainian troops making any major counter offensive to take back any part of territory they have lost!!

Now we see the comedian president only bothered about collecting Russia compensation he is not even bothered about the lose of human life.. What a twisted seniaro ....

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Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by seunny4lif(m): 1:56pm On May 21, 2022
Opolopoopolonio:


Urban warfare in a territory that has already been occupied

So far, it's Russia that have been failing at their objectives and the little success stories they have so far has been at huge costs.
When USSR enter Berlin, did they tell that all German military surrendered? No
Some are still fighting and that were door to door combat start.

After USA took over Baghdad in April, battle till continue on what is called door to door combat.
Read about Battle of Fallujah

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Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Opolopoopolonio: 2:17pm On May 21, 2022
seunny4lif:

When USSR enter Berlin, did they tell that all German military surrendered? No
Some are still fighting and that were door to door combat start.

After USA took over Baghdad in April, battle till continue on what is called door to door combat.
Read about Battle of Fallujah

You can't be talking of a takeover when there is still door to door combat.

That means the war is still raging.

Of course, the Iraq war did not end with the toppling of Sadam. Infact, it just began.
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by 1stGenAmerican(f): 2:18pm On May 21, 2022
Fake news
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Opolopoopolonio: 2:22pm On May 21, 2022
Appleyard:


Russia is not the one losing lands, cities, towns and villages. Ukraine have already mobilized four times while Russia is still using it's old forces. Whether we like it or not, Ukraine is the greatest loser here.

All mobilised Ukrainian troops are not fighting at the same time. Russia are easily replacing their decimated troops at the frontlines from those back home in Russia. Russia is struggling to maintain 200k troops in Ukraine and cannot afford to do more.

Lost towns and villages are still being contested. Mariupol is the only city that has completely fallen for now. And it's only for a while. The Ukrainians are advancing from Kherson.

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Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Opolopoopolonio: 2:25pm On May 21, 2022
Kingsnairaland:
Ukraine has lost Kherson and Kherson Oblast, Zaporizhzhia Oblast and, having been penetrated at Popasnaya and Izium, is about to lose the entirety of Donbas to Russia. That's 100,000 km sq of territory lost already to date.

The propaganda we hear is
One minute it's Russian tanks destroyed, then Russian Generals killed one after another, then Russia losing the war, and tens of thousands of Russian troops died etc etc..

.. But then the truth is we are witnessing one city fall after another, the latest being Mariupol when thousands of elite Azov surrendered. No matter what's been reported on Russia's loss, we still do not see the Ukrainian troops making any major counter offensive to take back any part of territory they have lost!!

Now we see the comedian president only bothered about collecting Russia compensation he is not even bothered about the lose of human life.. What a twisted seniaro ....

All hail pro-Putin luuunatics!!!

A third of the Donbas was already in the hands of separatists before the invasion began.

Donbas may be a stalemate eventually...
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by seunny4lif(m): 2:27pm On May 21, 2022
Opolopoopolonio:


You can't be talking of a takeover when there is still door to door combat.

That means the war is still raging.

Of course, the Iraq war did not end with the toppling of Sadam. Infact, it just began.
You take over when you enemy can't launch massive attack on you again, like mobilization but that doesn't mean your enemies cannot still attack.
You will always have some group that are loyal to your enemy
Syria
Iraq
Vietnam
Road to Berlin
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Opolopoopolonio: 2:34pm On May 21, 2022
seunny4lif:

You take over when you enemy can't launch massive attack on you again, like mobilization but that doesn't mean your enemies cannot still attack.
You will always have some group that are loyal to your enemy
Syria
Iraq
Vietnam
Road to Berlin

No takeover is complete if attacks can be launched on the invader. That's why occupation is more difficult than invasion. Putin's goal was to remove Zelensky and install a puppet who will use Ukrainian forces to quell Ukrainian resistance. His goal was never to occupy Ukraine.

That objective has fallen completely flat on his face. Now he has to use Russian forces to quell Ukrainian resistance in occupied territories - a very bloody and costly venture!!! cool
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by seunny4lif(m): 2:39pm On May 21, 2022
Opolopoopolonio:


No takeover is complete if attacks can be launched on the invader. That's why occupation is more difficult than invasion. Putin's goal was to remove Zelensky and install a puppet who will use Ukrainian forces to quell Ukrainian resistance. His goal was never to occupy Ukraine.

That objective has fallen completely flat on his face. Now he has to use Russian forces to quell Ukrainian resistance in occupied territories - a very bloody and costly venture!!! cool

The first objective failed, because he refused to declare war on Ukraine unlike Georgia.
But the second objective is to free all pro Russia land slowing.
The more the war continues the more money Russia has made because of the price of oil, gas, wheat and almost raw materials Russia controls
Eastern Ukraine are massive pro Russia and they even faulted Putin for now staring this operation in 2014
Even within EU states in Baltic, they are already fear that Russia may start sending weapons to Pro Russia in those region.

Go to travel section of this blog, Ukraine travel.
Just like Georgia.
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Opolopoopolonio: 2:46pm On May 21, 2022
seunny4lif:

Not when Eastern Ukraine are massive pro Russia.
Even within EU states in Baltic, they are already fear that Russia may start sending weapons to Pro Russia in those region.

Go to travel section of this blog, Ukraine travel.
Just like Georgia.

Of course, there will have to be compromise in Eastern Ukraine with some parts being pro-Russian.

Afterall, for 8 years, the Ukraine Armed Forces could not successfully crush the rebellion that sprang up there when separatists declared independence in some areas - about a third of the whole Donbas region.

I don't know much about Baltic states... embarassed
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by seunny4lif(m): 3:03pm On May 21, 2022
Opolopoopolonio:


Of course, there will have to be compromise in Eastern Ukraine with some parts being pro-Russian.

Afterall, for 8 years, the Ukraine Armed Forces could not successfully crush the rebellion that sprang up there when separatists declared independence in some areas - about a third of the whole Donbas region.

I don't know much about Baltic states... embarassed
Baltic states have massive Russians, that even EU turned blind eyes on what Baltic states are doing to Russians there.
Russia government have sent warning to EU many times as Latvia, and Estonia having be trying to ban Russia language for years even when around 30% - 40% of their population are Russians.
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Opolopoopolonio: 3:04pm On May 21, 2022
seunny4lif:

The first objective failed, because he refused to declare war on Ukraine unlike Georgia.
But the second objective is to free all pro Russia land slowing.
The more the war continues the more money Russia has made because of the price of oil, gas, wheat and almost raw materials Russia controls
Eastern Ukraine are massive pro Russia and they even faulted Putin for now staring this operation in 2014
Even within EU states in Baltic, they are already fear that Russia may start sending weapons to Pro Russia in those region.

Go to travel section of this blog, Ukraine travel.
Just like Georgia.

The first objective has failed. We all know Putin underestimated Zelensky... grin

The second objective is ongoing. Let's see what comes out of it.

I don't care about Baltic states at this time.
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Opolopoopolonio: 3:05pm On May 21, 2022
seunny4lif:

Baltic states have massive Russians, that even EU turned blind eyes on what Baltic states are doing to Russians there.
Russia government have sent warning to EU many times as Latvia, and Estonia having be trying to ban Russia language for years even when around 30% - 40% of their population are Russians.

Are we talking about Ukraine here or Baltic states
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by seunny4lif(m): 3:08pm On May 21, 2022
Opolopoopolonio:


Are we talking about Ukraine here or Baltic states
Baltic
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Opolopoopolonio: 3:12pm On May 21, 2022
seunny4lif:

Baltic

I am not interested... tongue
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by seunny4lif(m): 3:18pm On May 21, 2022
Opolopoopolonio:


I am not interested... tongue
You better be, cos God forbid, it is highly fighting will break out there
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Nobody: 3:19pm On May 21, 2022
lecowas:
People have failed to see the bigger picture of what is happening, when people say Russia has lost the war, not necessarily means they won't gain some certain control over Ukraine but what Russia has lost is far much more than what it stands to gain. The Putin and his putards made America win again. cheesy
Has Ukraine been taken over successfully?

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Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Owolabi97(m): 3:27pm On May 21, 2022
lecowas:
People have failed to see the bigger picture of what is happening, when people say Russia has lost the war, not necessarily means they won't gain some certain control over Ukraine but what Russia has lost is far much more than what it stands to gain. The Putin and his putards made America win again. cheesy
Really are u sure about that cos I don't get it Russia will liberate the donbass region

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Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Kingsnairaland(m): 4:55pm On May 21, 2022
seunny4lif:

The first objective failed, because he refused to declare war on Ukraine unlike Georgia.
But the second objective is to free all pro Russia land slowing.
The more the war continues the more money Russia has made because of the price of oil, gas, wheat and almost raw materials Russia controls
Eastern Ukraine are massive pro Russia and they even faulted Putin for now staring this operation in 2014
Even within EU states in Baltic, they are already fear that Russia may start sending weapons to Pro Russia in those region.

Go to travel section of this blog, Ukraine travel.
Just like Georgia.

Non of Russia objective failed because the only true aim was to deter nato from coming to Ukraine which has been achieved since.

NATO laws don't allow them to bring in nations that are at war and that are fighting over border.

Without this war Ukraine would have been a nato member and in the future have it own nukes...
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Kingsnairaland(m): 4:57pm On May 21, 2022
Opolopoopolonio:


The first objective has failed. We all know Putin underestimated Zelensky... grin

The second objective is ongoing. Let's see what comes out of it.

I don't care about Baltic states at this time.
Non of Russia objective failed because the only true aim was to deter nato from coming to Ukraine which has been achieved since.

NATO laws don't allow them to bring in nations that are at war and that are fighting over border.

Without this war Ukraine would have been a nato member and in the future have it own nukes...
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by OhMyG0d: 5:13pm On May 21, 2022
Opolopoopolonio:


No takeover is complete if attacks can be launched on the invader. That's why occupation is more difficult than invasion. Putin's goal was to remove Zelensky and install a puppet who will use Ukrainian forces to quell Ukrainian resistance. His goal was never to occupy Ukraine.

That objective has fallen completely flat on his face. Now he has to use Russian forces to quell Ukrainian resistance in occupied territories - a very bloody and costly venture!!! cool

No! Non of Russia objectives have failed so far. It doesn't take Russia anything to reduce Kiev to rubble if their aim is to topple Zelensky regime. If you're very keen and have not allowed Russophile beclouded your objectivity, you would have understand that the two aims of Russia sending troops to Bucha near Kyiv is to pressurized the government of Zelensky and to keep the Ukrainian troops in Kiev down so that they won't be transferred to reinforced other areas of contention like Mauripol, Kherson, Kharkiv etc. That way, the Russians won't have to deal with large troops at once.
In fact, it was a successful strategy but to me, the only failure I've seen so far is the fact that the Russians were not successful in convincing Zelensky regime to the dialogue table.
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Opolopoopolonio: 5:16pm On May 21, 2022
Kingsnairaland:
Non of Russia objective failed because the only true aim was to deter nato from coming to Ukraine which has been achieved since.

NATO laws don't allow them to bring in nations that are at war and that are fighting over border.

Without this war Ukraine would have been a nato member and in the future have it own nukes...

You are a joker.

Forget the stupid narrative from Putin that Ukraine was planning to join to NATO bla bla.

Look, power-drunk, warmongering, dictator Putin's longtime ambition has been to restore the USSR of old.

Ukraine has been the major stumbling block to that ambition. If Ukraine falls, others will easily and almost immediately.

Hence, Putin's first objective in the war was to remove Zelenskyy and install a puppet who will take orders from him.

That has failed completely. Thanks to the strong-willed Ukrainian forces and Western support.

The West will NEVER allow Ukraine to fall!!!

Not all NATO countries have nukes or host foreign troops.

What other support can a NATO country get that it is not currently getting other than NATO boots on the ground

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Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Opolopoopolonio: 5:23pm On May 21, 2022
OhMyG0d:
No! Non of Russia objectives have failed so far. It doesn't take Russia anything to reduce Kiev to rubble if their aim is to topple Zelensky regime. If you're very keen and have not allowed Russophile beclouded your objectivity, you would have understand that the two aims of Russia sending troops to Bucha near Kyiv is to pressurized the government of Zelensky and to keep the Ukrainian troops in Kiev down so that they won't be transferred to reinforced other areas of contention like Mauripol, Kherson, Kharkiv etc. That way, the Russians won't have to deal with large troops at once.
In fact, it was a successful strategy but to me, the only failure I've seen so far is the fact that the Russians were not successful in convincing Zelensky regime to the dialogue table.

You are a learner.

At the beginning of the war Russia tried bombing Kyiv to rubble as you are suggesting but lost many planes due to Ukraine's superior air defence systems.

Up till now Ukraine still control the better part of their airspace.

That's why Russia have resorted to cowardly shelling and missile attacks.

Mariupol fell because it was enmeshed in separatist territory.

Yet it held its ground for 3 whole months bloodying the nose of the Russians without any fresh supplies coming from anywhere until they were asked to surrender.
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by OhMyG0d: 5:33pm On May 21, 2022
Opolopoopolonio:


You are a learner.

At the beginning of the war Russia tried bombing Kyiv to rubble as you are suggesting but lost many planes due to Ukraine's superior air defence systems.

.
Just like your moniker, it's worthless and meaningless replying to what you just spew.
And please, learn how to comment without showing your aggressive state of mind. You need it Pal.
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Opolopoopolonio: 5:58pm On May 21, 2022
OhMyG0d:
Just like your moniker, it's worthless and meaningless replying to what you just spew.
And please, learn how to comment without showing your aggressive state of mind. You need it Pal.

I know you have learnt a thing or two from my post.

Now say thank you.
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by Balogunodua(m): 6:23pm On May 21, 2022
lecowas:
People have failed to see the bigger picture of what is happening, when people say Russia has lost the war, not necessarily means they won't gain some certain control over Ukraine but what Russia has lost is far much more than what it stands to gain. The Putin and his putards made America win again. cheesy
Tears... grin
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by lecowas: 7:53pm On May 21, 2022
tonididdy:


Obviously you are not even a land owner in reality. Otherwise you will know what defeat it is to loose a land you bought with your hard earned money to a land grabber.
There is no victory in that...
This war is RUSSIA'S for the taking anytime Putin wishes.

Shut da Fck up. Obviously u might not even have more parcels of land than I do. Myopic people won’t see beyond their nose . Quit quoting me if u can’t express ur opinion without going personal.

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Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by lecowas: 7:54pm On May 21, 2022
Balogunodua:

Tears... grin

Hahaha
Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by tonididdy(m): 4:19am On May 22, 2022
lecowas:


Shut da Fck up. Obviously u might not even have more parcels of land than I do. Myopic people won’t see beyond their nose . Quit quoting me if u can’t express ur opinion without going personal.

Re: Ukrainian Forces Seen Handing Over Weapons To Russian Troops by gambojimeta: 5:00am On May 22, 2022
Opolopoopolonio:


All mobilised Ukrainian troops are not fighting at the same time. Russia are easily replacing their decimated troops at the frontlines from those back home in Russia. Russia is struggling to maintain 200k troops in Ukraine and cannot afford to do more.

Lost towns and villages are still being contested. Mariupol is the only city that has completely fallen for now. And it's only for a while. The Ukrainians are advancing from Kherson.
cool

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