revolt:


Dude ....HIS QUESTION POSTULATED THAT EUROPEANS WERE LYING... LAST TIME I CHECKED EUROPEANS IS majority caucasian..uke saying Africans are monkeys os.

Lol. How can you equate saying Europeans are lying about their history to saying Africans are monkeys? How can you correlate both?

Are you saying the same people that murdered 90% of Native Americans and forcefully took their ancestral lands from them and enslaved millions of black people for years, couldn't tell lies?

Ourtruth3:


Lol. How can you equate saying Europeans are lying about their history to saying Africans are monkeys? How can you correlate both?

Are you saying the same people that murdered 90% of Native Americans and forcefully took their ancestral lands from them and enslaved millions of black people for years, couldn't tell lies?

WELL IM WONDERING IF THEY HAVE TWO HEADS FIVE BRAINS MORE THAN THE NATIVW AMERICANS OR BLACK PEOPLE TO DP ALL THAT TO THEM FOR OVER 500 YEARS.?... IM PRETTY SURE THEIR LIES SHOULD BE THE LEAST OF OUR WORRIES.

I'm ready to continue the post now. Please don't derail.

As we approach the late 19th century, we see that the people of Moscow have finally decided to leave their "homes" and venture out into the streets.

The infamous red square, now bubbling with life.

On the photograph we see the St Basil's Cathedral.

We are told that it was constructed from Fifteen fifty five to fifteen sixty one, a mere six years, suffered a huge fire and underwent restoration from seventeen sixty one to seventeen eighty four.

But look at the structures. It's almost unreal, like no other. It is composed of thousands of red bricks and thin sheets metal that has been shaped into distinctive onion domes we see.

Look closer at the intricacy of the domes. How did they bend metal to achieve such precision and perfection in the eighteenth century?

And if they had the skills and dedication to build a structure such as this, then why are the conditions of the roads so poor?

We see these incredible structures and buildings everywhere in the 19th century photography.

We have the wondorous Crystal palace of London - A monstrous structure. The greatest area of glass ever seen in a building, and all constructed before England had automatic glass manufacturing.

Ourtruth3:
And if they had the skills and dedication to build a structure such as this, then why are the conditions of the roads so poor?

Poor maintenance?

Maybe they are more dedicated to their art?

Africans made magnificent bronze works... Yet lived in huts...

OurTruth2:
I've not even scratched the surface of my argument and intellectually arrogant know-it-alls are already gloating in the false belief that they've debunked an argument I've not even laid out.

For those still following the thread, please be patient, I'll continue tonight. There is still a whole lot of information I'll post on this thread that will get you questioning everything you've been taught about the history of Europe and by extension America.

I'm waiting patiently.. Don't leave the thread halfway, sir.

Wesminister Abbey and parliament

We see the old Euston Arch, constructed of pure sand stone in Eighteen thirty seven and streets unpaved, and full of mud. Why didn't these people prioritize the streets they walked on?

Frauenkirche, the doomed master piece of Dresden Germany, its intricate and opulent splendor in direct contrast with the beat-up wagons and horse-pulled carts of the people below - a people dependant on the bare necessities - a people completely dwarfed by its size and majesty.

When we head over to North America, the story becomes more interesting.

The library of Paliament, Ottawa, Canada.

Built over a period of 17 years. The first major settlers arrived in Eighteen-hundred. At the time of construction, the city's population was under twenty thousand people.

Ask yourself this question, will a glorious Library of this size and majesty, really be a priority for settlers?

Why does the building look like it had been cropped out of Europe and pasted into Canada?

Originalsly:


New York City 2021 .... city of 8 million .... yet there is not a soul in sight in the hottest spot in the city. Where is everybody?

All I have to say is civilization didn't start with the INTERNET.

Ourtruth3:
On the photograph we see the St Basil's Cathedral.

We are told that it was constructed from Fifteen fifty five to fifteen sixty one, a mere six years, suffered a huge fire and underwent restoration from seventeen sixty one to seventeen eighty four.

But look at the structures. It's almost unreal, like no other. It is composed of thousands of red bricks and thin sheets metal that has been shaped into distinctive onion domes we see.

Look closer at the intricacy of the domes. How did they bend metal to achieve such precision and perfection in the eighteenth century?

There is this 15th century wooden clock (still working) in Gdansk, Poland. It was built by a known master clock maker many years before st basil cathedral construction.An hand crafted clock is complex and more intricate than crafting of domes,maybe he was a reptillan passing off as human,I don't know

I don't intend to jump ahead of your conclusion, but just thinking aloud

Even at the turn of the century before Bosch economized the power tool, we have The Old Pen station in New York

Look at the size of this. Completely mind blowing proportions. As we can see in the photograph, each octagonal sculpted pattern on the arched doomed ceiling is larger than one individual human. Look at the gigantic columns and detailed sleeves decorating the top of each pillar.

They tell us this station took six years to build. Six years? Why are we so gullible?

Even with our access to modern power tools, printable construction pieces and crane technology, we cannot reproduce this today, and more importantly, we don't reproduce this type of architecture today.

revolt:


Lol...I guess the so called moats may hve been built by the Portuguese cos last time I checked the so called Benin emperor was walking half naked and living in thatch raffs. Oh the empire fell in less than a week to a hundred men with rifles... we shouldn't be disgracing ourselves by claiming those were empires.. the northern empires were far more developed than the so called southern ones...lol

You seem to be a fool, the Portuguese documented it, they came and saw it there. You are so dumb, like your dumb father, otherwise you can ask him about history. The other states fell within days, British gun powder and canons was their advantage. You idiots forget that the British choose to focus on building weapons of war, because of their sinister agendas. But you slaves can not know history.

"The Benin Moat (Iya in the local language) was built as a defensive fortification around Benin City in the great Kingdom during the time it was at its height and when the kingdom engaged in many wars.

Quick facts:
The Benin walls consisted of a combination of ramparts and moats.
The ramparts ranged in size from shallow traces to gigantic 20-meter-high (66 feet) around Benin City.
It covered a border distance of 16,000km.
It enclosed 6500km² of community land.
Its construction is estimated to have started as early as 800AD.
It was finally completed around 1460AD.
It provided a defensive barrier against invaders.
Shortly after the wall and the ditch were completed, the Portuguese visited Benin in 1472 AD.
At that time, it was considered the world's largest earthwork. European visitors travel notes described the Great wall of Benin e.g. Dapper 1668.
The Guinness Book of World Records (1974) describes the walls of Benin City as the world's second largest man-made structure after China's Great Wall,
in terms of length, and the series of earthen ramparts as the most extensive earthwork in the world.
Fred Pearce wrote in New Scientist:
They extend for some 16,000 kilometres in all, in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlement boundaries. They cover 6,500 square kilometres and were all dug by the Edo people. In all, they are four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops. They took an estimated 150 million hours of digging to construct, and are perhaps the largest single archaeological phenomenon on the planet.

Considered one of the great wonders of the world, the walls were built of a ditch and dike structure. The ditch was dug to form an inner moat and the excavated earth from this was used to construct the external rampart. Its construction method predates the use of modern earth-moving equipment or technology.

Oba Oguola (1280 – 1295) completed the 1st and the 2nd moats. He decreed construction of 20 smaller moats around other important towns and villages to protect them against invaders.
In the 15th century during the reign of Oba Ewuare the Great (1440 -1473) an extension of the moat which was about 3200km was constructed. This fortified bastion allowed entry to the city from nine gates to be controlled. At night the gates were locked.

Defensive features
As lines of defence, the moats were heavily guarded around the clock. They stopped invaders as they could be seen whilst trying to get through and were killed or captured by the Benin soldiers guarding the gates and walls.

The ramparts which were steep banks of earth stopped invaders climbing over them as they could be buried in sand avalanche and sand on their weapons could disable them.

The high walls made it difficult for attackers and invaders to climb over. Invaders trying to climb the walls were good targets for the Benin soldiers’ spears and poisoned arrows.

The outer walls which were very high provided a thick shield around the city. Their nine gates restricted access to the city"

If the height of innovation and industry in the 19th century was still the horse and cart as means of travel, then these photographs tell us that this style of architecture is just impossible for those living in centuries before.

Anyone with a predisposition for thinking and questioning can immediately sense when looking at these photographs that something is rotten in Denmark, that something is off with the mainstream historical narrative - that something is not adding up.

The next point is important and very relevant to my argument.

Ourtruth3:
The next point is important and very relevant to my argument.

Ok

Banned again. Stupid bot

San Francisco in Eight seventy seven

In Eighteen fourth six, there were under five hundred Mormon settlers living in the area we call sanfrancisco. It was a frontier land and ready for the taking

Between Eighteen fourty eight and Eighteen fourty nine, with the start of the carlifonia gold Rush, the population increased from one thousand people to twenty-five thousand people. Twenty eight years later this paranomic image was taken. The population at this time, we are told, was getting close to two hundred thousand.

Who in their right minds would believe this story? Does this look like a city of two hundred thousand people? Without any modern technology, power tools, automatic manufacturing, electric motor? A people still in a strange land just making their mark? Do we really believe that a burgeoning people built this entire city in just thirty years?

28 years is a long time. I like to believe Nigeria would be drastically different in 28 years time

OurTruth4:
San Francisco in Eight seventy seven

In Eighteen fourth six, there were under dive hundred Mormon settlers living in the area we call sanfrancisco. It was a frontier land and ready for the taking

Between Eighteen fourty eight and Eighteen fourty nine, with the start of the carlifonia gold Rush, the population increased from one thousand people to twenty-five thousand people. Twenty eight years later this paranomic image was taken. The population at this time, we are told, was getting close to two hundred thousand.

Who in their right minds would believe this story? Does this look like a city of two hundred thousand people? Without any modern technology, power tools, automatic manufacturing, electric motor? A people still in a strange land just making their mark? Do we really believe that a burgeoning people built this entire city in just thirty years?

And again, such quietness such stillness. This is a photograph of an empty city. Where are all the people?

The shadow of the post in one of the photos below tells us that this is not the early hours of the morning. Short shadows only appear towards midday. A city of this scale should be bustling with life. But there is not a single person in the shot of this panaroma.

It seems highly unlikely that all the people were told to stay indoors because a city scape photoshot was taking place.

And this silent scene becomes all the more eerie when we consider that there is intention behind the lens. Someone is standing there at a vantage point and taking this photograph. But who and for what?

And what are the chances that in the 19th century during previous decades we see deserted cities in Europe photographed like this. And then a few years later we find the same locations bustling with people.

blaquebelle:
28 years is a long time. I like to believe Nigeria would be drastically different in twenty eight years time

Twenty eight years is a short time if you don't have the technology we have today or the population. These people had no modern technology, no power tools, no automatic manufacturing, no electric motor? Yet they were able to build a spralling city like this? Look at the enormity of the city. It could very well carry people in their millions.

To be honest, I feel like gobbling up all the information you've gathered at once. Your pace is slow and I haven't seen much, trying to do my own research.

We must venture a little further into this cities and look a little closer. There must be some clues waiting to be uncovered that helps us understand why these cities are empty.

Follow me on this journey to find the truth.

blaquebelle:
To be honest, I feel like gobbling up all the information you've gathered at once. Your pace is slow and I haven't seen much, trying to do my own research. Since you're not responding to mails I'll just ask here. Is there any chance that you're based in Abuja and would be open to meeting in person?

I'm not responding to mails because my email isn't linked to my Nairaland account. I use throwaway emails.

I don't reside in Nigeria.

OurTruth4:


I'm not responding to mails because my email isn't linked to my Nairaland account. I use throwaway emails.

I don't reside in Nigeria.

Okay.