LordReed:
@triplechoice

Here is an interesting development in the progress of AI.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22058315-is-lamda-sentient-an-interview

LordReed:
@triplechoice

Here is an interesting development in the progress of AI.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22058315-is-lamda-sentient-an-interview

budaatum:
it bugs my 1+, which along with "edited" raises my suspicion, but here's the rub. Note the subjective redherringed "That doesn't mean I don't have the same wants and needs as people".

I will at least have to see it piss itself or go hungry like I do and what it does about it first for me to agree we have the same "wants", my Lord.

triplechoice:


The text are blurred can't see it clearly enough to read.

LordReed:


Yeah those edits are jarring but I think the names were added in after to give the conversation some context. This is a Google AI so it isn't something that someone is just scamming people with. In fact Google put the guy who had the conversation with the AI on leave last Monday because they seem to be uncomfortable with the direction he went with this.

On bodily functions, yeah an AI is not going to have those yet so it was referring to more "internal" wants and needs.

budaatum:


One would need to assume the needs of AI are the same needs of we humans especially if needs are what we wish to use to determine what it is to be human, my Lord, and that would take some doing.

Perhaps they should concentrate on the needs of a pet like a dog or a cat with its simple needs first, though AI is doing immense stuff as it is. The simple Unity Engine in my favourite game is blowing my mind to be honest, despite all the complaints about traffic one can very easily outsmart just as deep blue can't win at chess anymore.

Artificial Intelligence is that of human intelligence that humans can package into an electronic device, which shows how ingenious the human mind is despite the humans themselves not yet fully comprehending our very powerful human mind that we attempt to replicate.

LordReed:
@triplechoice
Why does it seem blind people don't have visual NDEs?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc799333/m2/1/high_res_d/vol16-no2-101.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjMj4SY2qj4AhU3gM4BHXvCBFAQFnoECAUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1w1VVHqNtQET6f9661Qimw

LordReed:
@triplechoice
Why does it seem blind people don't have visual NDEs?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc799333/m2/1/high_res_d/vol16-no2-101.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjMj4SY2qj4AhU3gM4BHXvCBFAQFnoECAUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1w1VVHqNtQET6f9661Qimw

LordReed:


Can one looking at our ancestors a million years ago have imagined they were going to be the dominant species on the planet with minds capable of the feats we are seeing today? We are seeing the beginnings of what is definitely going to become more intricate in future.

KnownUnknown:


Because they are spiritually blind.

LordReed:
@triplechoice

Here is an interesting development in the progress of AI.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22058315-is-lamda-sentient-an-interview

LordReed:
@triplechoice
Why does it seem blind people don't have visual NDEs?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc799333/m2/1/high_res_d/vol16-no2-101.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjMj4SY2qj4AhU3gM4BHXvCBFAQFnoECAUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1w1VVHqNtQET6f9661Qimw

KnownUnknown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC5T7sdHANE


For those who are willfully ignorant about the brain’s function and insist the mind/conciousness is some special concoction of magical nonsense.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4GYxS8lFE0&t=161s

triplechoice:


I have gone through it, and was impressed with the technology that has produced it, but very disappointed with the reaction of the google employee who believes he has witnessed, for the first time, an AI machine that has developed its own consciousness from its artificial neural networks.

It was better for him that he was sent on administrative leave, if not ,one can only imagine what would have happened next.

Cognitive bias has caused him to conclude that LaMDA has become sentient. The evidence from his conversation with the machine did not support his claim. There are several instances where it was obvious that the AI was just mimicking human speech patterns based on its programming.

For instance, LaMDA says it can experience human emotions. This is not possible because not only does it not have the body and the mechanism to make it experience those emotions, but also not possible to put it self or find it self in the exact human situations that can results in such feelings. You can't know how something taste if you have never tasted it before. How did it know how human emotions feels like when it has never experienced it or can experience it.

It also talked about its family members and friends ,another evidence of a machine that is programmed to respond mindlessly to input from humans that interact with it. There are other instances too ,but you can only see them if you read without biases.

The most important thing to take note of , is that the conversation was one way traffic. Blake inputting and LaMDA responding, proving it's just a conversation with a machine that is programmed to instantaneously respond to chats, by processing very quiclky data stored in its system in order to mimic the appropriate human response.

Blake's mind has been influenced by the obvious illusion of a machine that appears to be sentient. Blake needs professional help and not the attention he is seeking.

Here below is how this AI does its thing.

LordReed:


Can one looking at our ancestors a million years ago have imagined they were going to be the dominant species on the planet with minds capable of the feats we are seeing today? We are seeing the beginnings of what is definitely going to become more intricate in future.

Lemoine, an engineer for Google’s responsible AI organization, described the system he has been working on since last fall as sentient, with a perception of, and ability to express thoughts and feelings that was equivalent to a human child.

triplechoice:

Cognitive bias has caused him to conclude that LaMDA has become sentient.

budaatum:


I do agree my Lord, and we've come a long way already. However, now that more details surface, the redherring.



How did Lemoine determine that what was expressed were "thoughts and feelings". Did he hit it with a hammer and hear it cry instead of projecting himself on the capable AI he created?

budaatum:


He failed in the rigourous training that would have cleared his senses.

LordReed:


But my dear buda surely expressing and actually having are different.

LordReed:


I too don't agree it has achieved sentience but it is a step towards that. I think many more systems need to be developed and integrated before a sentient AI will emerge however I want this to heighlight that human capability will most likely get it done, before the turn of the century if I may be bold enough to predict.

triplechoice:


Maybe you don't understand that an understanding of brain function doesn't answer the hard question of consciousness.

In other words understanding very well how a car functions will not answer for you what makes up the mind of the driver of the car

You were asked to respond to some questions, but you avoided them.

Reminder of one of them, if brains are responsible for our personality, why do we have people with distorted personality without brain defect and vice versa?

KnownUnknown:


Regardless of the “hard” or “soft” problem of consciousness, there is no human consciousness without a functioning brain along with the rest of the central nervous system. You can dwell in obscurantism all you want but consciousness remains an attribute of a functioning brain.
I’m not saying consciousness is limited to the brain but our consciousness is dependent on the functioning and state of our central nervous system.
Consciousness could even be gradations such that plants are one level, different types of animals on other levels, great apes on a higher level, humans on a level above that, hypothetical Ancient Martians on a level above humans, hypothetical Andromedan Galaxians on an even higher level and so on.

triplechoice:


Where did I say consciousness can do without a functioning brain within the human body?

And what is consciousness? You seem not be be sure what it is.

KnownUnknown:


I’m not saying consciousness is limited to the brain but our consciousness is dependent on the functioning and state of our central nervous system.

triplechoice:


Where did I say consciousness can do without a functioning brain within the human body?

And what is consciousness? You seem not be be sure what it is.

triplechoice:


Until we have determined what is consciousness and how it has emerged, I don't think your prophesy would ever see the light of day.

The AI, LaMDA is "mind" without the part that would have made it conscious of it's existence.

Remember I have argued that consciousness is an individualised unit of aware energy, the llife force, so scientists creating a sentient AI in the further would mean creating energy, life, first.

Would it possible for energy, life, to be created in the future?

budaatum:


You should come ask my fuqed up S2 and S3 that has left my bladder and bowel unconscious.

https://www.christopherreeve.org/living-with-paralysis/health/how-the-spinal-cord-works

triplechoice:


Where did I say consciousness can do without a functioning brain within the human body?

And what is consciousness? You seem not be be sure what it is.

LordReed:


You seem to imply it. Your words seem to imply that consciousness can survive the death of the the body.

LordReed:


We don't need to completely understand human consciousness to create sentient AI. It seems you are the one imagining that machine consciousness will mirror human consciousness, it won't. The only analogs between them will be very general and not specific.

As it is machines already require energy just like most physical systems anyway so I don't see why there needs to be the creating of life to enable sentient AI. Again it seems you're too entrenched in thinking sentient AI must be like a human, you need to shift from that position.