Maynmann:


That’s ignorance, this is who abassi is, a mythology.
Because people are doing it wrong doesn’t make it right.
Can people in Latin countries, also call Yahweh, Zeus?

I am thinking of giving up on u... because I av thought u dis on other thread...

Did I say it's right or wrong in my analogy...I was telling the person like I always told u on language interference and I bliv those who read to learn and understand and not those who look for a slight pinch of salt to argue on like u... already know d msg I passed accross using dat analogy...

Chai...nawa ooo

immaculatesense:


I am thinking of giving up on u... because I av thought u dis on other thread...

Did I say it's right or wrong in my analogy...I was telling the person like I always told u on language interference and I bliv those who read to learn and understand and not those who look for a slight pinch of salt to argue on like u... already know d msg I passed accross using dat analogy...

Chai...nawa ooo

Thats not what language interference mean, Yahweh is only found in Middle East cultures, olorun is a Yoruba word, and it’s an entity, there’s nothing like Yahweh in Yoruba or ibo culture, if you don’t know what “language interference” mean, check it out.

Why will the same God require different approach to serving Him.
By this submission the person Islam deifies is Not the Christian God.

[i][/i]
Case closed!!!

Maynmann:


You mean there was a country called Israel during Joseph period and the capital was Samaria? Bwahahahah

Ahhhh...nawa for u ooo...I only told u wat took the Jews(offspring and family of Jacob) to Egypt...dats all...wen dey came from egypt they (Jews) form the territory of Israel with the Moabites and Northern Edomites (offsprings of Esau) who live in southern hilly part of the territory while the Jews stayed in the North...there were always conflict between the Moabites and the Jews throughout the time of the Judges...but during the time of David...he fought and overcame... Solomon did not fight a single war...but after the death of Solomon...Rehoboam(the son of Solomon) was to be king over all but Joroboam a rebel had the support of the majority...that was when one started ruling from Samaria and the other from Jerusalem...
They wiere led into captivity after some time to Assyria...some none native from Assyria came to reside in the land(particularly in Samaria) and they were continually being hunted down by mysterious lions until a prophet told the king of Assyria that the God of the Jews were angry...so he consulted and the prophet said a Jewish priest must be sent to offer sacrifices to the Jewish God...and they did...and the lion stopped killing them...the Mountain in Samaria where the sacrifices took place was wat was called Mount Gerizim in Samaria...dat the woman of Samaria in John 7 was talking to Jesus about...
After the captivity,the Jews came back to Jerusalem...but the new Samaria natives who were not natives but people of Assyria but now are native of Samaria did not live the land but continue to serve the God of Israel on the mount Gerizim and not in Jerusalem like the Jews...since then the Jews don't see the Samarians as they brother but aliens...

I just summarize the whole book of Judges,Kings and chronicle together for u like dat...

How much u go pay me now?

Maynmann:


Thats not what language interference mean, Yahweh is only found in Middle East cultures, olorun is a Yoruba word, and it’s an entity, there’s nothing like Yahweh in Yoruba or ibo culture, if you don’t know what “language interference” mean, check it out.

I give up...okay sir...
Thank u...
Jeezzzz

immaculatesense:

Ahhhh...nawa for u ooo...I only told u wat took the Jews(offspring and family of Jacob) to Egypt...dats all...wen dey came from egypt they (Jews) for the territory of Israel woth the Moabites and Northern Edomites (offsprings of Esau) who live in southern hilly part of the territory while the Jews stayed in the North...there were always conflict between the Moabites and the Jews throughout the time of the Judges...but during the time of David...he fought and overcame... Solomon did not fight a single war...but after the death of Solomon...Rehoboam(the son of Solomon) was to be king over all but Joroboam a rebel had the support of the majority...that was when one started ruling from Samaria and the other from Jerusalem...
They will led into captivity after some time...some none native from Assyria came to reside in the land(particularly in Samaria) and they were dey we're continually being hunted down by mysterious lions until a prophet told the king of Assyria that the God of the Jews were angry...so he consulted and the prophet said a Jewish priest must be sent to offer sacrifices to the Jewish God...and they did...and the lion stopped killing them...the Mountain in Samaria where the sacrifices took place was wat was called Mount Gerizim in Samaria...dat the woman of Samaria in John 7 was talking to Jesus about...
After the captivity,the Jews came back to Jerusalem...but the new Samaria natives who were not natives but people of Assyria but now are native of Samaria did not love the land but continue to serve the God of Israel on the mount Gerizim and not in Jerusalem like the Jews...since then the Jews don't see the Samarians as they brother but aliens...

I just summarize the whole book of Judges,Kings and chronicle together for u like dat...

How much u go pay me now?

Pay for your ignorance?
You are lost.
What was Israel capital before THEIR captivity?

immaculatesense:

I give up...okay sir...
Thank u...
Jeezzzz

Intentional ignorance.
Yahweh is a Semitic word, can you tell me the connection of Semitic language to Yoruba language and Igbo language?
You don’t know what language interference mean, you are so desperate you’ll say anything to defend your deity.

Maynmann:

Pay for your ignorance?
You are lost.
What was Israel capital before THEIR captivity?

Yes...their capital was Samaria before their captivity to Assyria...were u thinking I meant captivity to Egypt? Abah na...they were not taken capivity TO Egypt but were taken captivity IN Egypt...u gat that?

immaculatesense:

Yes...their capital was Samaria before their captivity to Assyria...were u thinking I meant captivity to Egypt? Abah na...they were not taken capivity TO Egypt but were taken captivity IN Egypt...u gat that?

So Israel as a nation existed before their captivity to Egypt?

Maynmann:


Intentional ignorance.
Yahweh is a Semitic word, can you tell me the connection of Semitic language to Yoruba language and Igbo language?
You don’t know what language interference mean, you are so desperate you’ll say anything to defend your deity.

Lol...inav told u before that I am a graduate in Linguistics...u just want to learn from me...I know...it's good...but don't b (I will be polite) rude in doing day...
When a person speaks more than one language and one is a native language...in interpretation and translation...there is bound to be language interference...which happened wen Ajayi Crowder or earlier than that wen the Christians brought Christianity to Nigeria...Yoruba in the language interference don't know how to interpret God to Yoruba decided to borrow the Yoruba name God (Olorun) and i am sure dsame happened in Igbo,Ibibio etc and accross many place

immaculatesense:

Lol...inav told u before that I am a graduate in Linguistics...u just want to learn from me...I know...it's good...but don't b (I will be polite) rude in doing day...
When a person speaks more than one language and one is a native language...in interpretation and translation...there is bound to be language interference...which happened wen Ajayi Crowder or earlier than that wen the Christians brought Christianity to Nigeria...Yoruba in the language interference don't know how to interpret God to Yoruba decided to borrow the Yoruba name God (Olorun) and i am sure dsame happened in Igbo,Ibibio etc and accross many place

Do we speak Hebrew language in Africa?
It has been correctly, why do you desperately want to be wrong?

Maynmann:


So Israel as a nation existed before their captivity to Egypt?

Who said Israel as a nation existed Oga...I just told u a story line...the Captivity was the captivity to Assyria not Egypt...before their captivity to ASSYRIA their capital was Samaria...gbam

Maynmann:


Do we speak Hebrew language in Africa?

Who said we speak Hebrew in Africa now...?
When the white who speak European languages (English amongst others) wanted to translate the English Bible to Yoruba...that was were language interfered and we now had "Esu"(for Satan), Olorun(For God) and Orisa)for idols) ...all were borrowed from wat we already av here...just the names...


I don tire for u ooo...

immaculatesense:

Who said we speak Hebrew in Africa now...?
When the white who speak European languages (English amongst others) wanted to translate the English Bible to Yoruba...that was were language interfered and we now had "Esu"(for Satan), Olorun(For God) and Orisa)for idols) ...all were borrowed from wat we already av here...just the names...


I don tire for u ooo...

No, it was not the white, it was ajayi, and it has been corrected.
Where in esu mythology did you see him fighting eledumare? As Satan was fighting yahweh?

immaculatesense:

Who said we speak Hebrew in Africa now...?
When the white who speak European languages (English amongst others) wanted to translate the English Bible to Yoruba...that was were language interfered and we now had "Esu"(for Satan), Olorun(For God) and Orisa)for idols) ...all were borrowed from wat we already av here...just the names...


I don tire for u ooo...

You said language interference?
How can language interference happen if we don’t speak that language before? When in Yoruba history did we call Yahweh ?
Do you know what language interference mean?

immaculatesense:

Who said Israel as a nation existed Oga...I just told u a story line...the Captivity was the captivity to Assyria not Egypt...before their captivity to ASSYRIA their capital was Samaria...gbam

It didn’t exist as a nation, but Samaria its capital?

Maynmann:


You said language interference?
How can language interference happen if we don’t speak that language before? When in Yoruba history did we call Yahweh ?
Do you know what language interference mean?

Are u this (o will be polite) wow...
Was the Yoruba Bible interpreted from Hebrew? Or English?
English it is...was Yahweh or God in the English version?
God it is...could Ajayi Crowder who translated from English to Yoruba not have understand both languages?
Yes he does...
So, Ajayi Crowder understands and speak both English and Yoruba...so, language interference is possible and probably higher...

Isnt it...since he spoke both languages...

Man dey think na

immaculatesense:

Are u this (o will be polite) wow...
Was the Yoruba Bible interpreted from Hebrew? Or English?
English it is...was Yahweh or God in the English version?
God it is...could Ajayi Crowder who translated from English to Yoruba not have understand both languages?
Yes he does...
So, Ajayi Crowder understands and speak both English and Yoruba...so, language interference is possible and probably higher...

Isnt it...since he spoke both languages...

Man dey think na

Is English language the original language of your scriptures?
Ajayi doesn’t speak Hebrew, Yahweh is of Hebrew origin not English.
Satan means satani not esu

Think nro

Maynmann:


No, it was not the white, it was ajayi, and it has been corrected.
Where in esu mythology did you see him fighting eledumare? As Satan was fighting yahweh?

U still make dsame mistake...like u don't know who ur talking to...did I say I support the interference...no I didn't like it...but that was wat happened...so,why asking as though I said the Satan in the Bible and esu in the traditional religion is dsame...except the name...and dats the interference I was talking about...
Abi quote anywhere I said dey are dsame?

immaculatesense:

U still make dsame mistake...like u don't know who ur talking to...did I say I support the interference...no I didn't like it...but that was wat happened...so,why asking as though I said the Satan in the Bible and esu in the traditional religion is dsame...except the name...and dats the interference I was talking about...
Abi quote anywhere I said dey are dsame?

That’s not interference, that’s word borrowing
And you have a BA in linguistic?

Maynmann:

Is English language the original language of your scriptures?
Ajayi doesn’t speak Hebrew, Yahweh is of Hebrew origin not English.
Satan means satani not esu

Think nro

Wat a rigmarole...nawa...I can't be repeating same tin sir...
And I know understand me perfectly...u don't just want to accept my God and serve him..it's a choice and ur free...thank u...o love u still anyways

immaculatesense:

Wat a rigmarole...nawa...I can't be repeating same tin sir...
And I know understand me perfectly...u don't just want to accept my God and serve him..it's a choice and ur free...thank u...o love u still anyways

You are showing stack ignorance.
Was your scriptures written in English?
The way they translate English Bible to Yoruba, was it not the same way they translate the original language to English?

You don’t even know the language your Bible was written in and you are arguing.
Why didn’t the language interference happen before ajayi translated the Bible, or do you think that’s how languages interference happen, just wake up one day and call esu, Satan. Bwahahahah

Maynmann:

That’s not interference, that’s word borrowing
And you have a BA in linguistic?

Lol...why are we argue...when u borrow words and it distort the original mean like the esu...what's dat called..

Note: when u borrow words from another language and IT DISTORT THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THAT WORD IS CALLED WHAT?...
ANSWER OOO...DONT RUN

You can Google it like u always do...it's allowed... go on

Maynmann:


You are showing stack ignorance.
Was your scriptures written in English?
The way they translate English Bible to Yoruba, was it not the same way they translate the original language to English?

You don’t even know the language your Bible was written in and you are arguing.
Why didn’t the language interference happen before ajayi translated the Bible, or do you think that’s how languages interference happen, just wake up one day and call esu, Satan. Bwahahahah

Lol...u av ran out of questions about


Which language was Yoruba Bible translated from?

immaculatesense:

Lol...why are we argue...when u borrow words and it distort the original mean like the esu...what's dat called..

Note: when u borrow words from another language and IT DISTORT THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THAT WORD IS CALLED WHAT?...
ANSWER OOO...DONT RUN

It’s called word borrowing or you think it means “language interference” do we speak Semitic languages in Africa?


To defend your deity you lied that you have BA in linguistics yet you are sounding this retarded. Ordinary “language interference” you are confusing it with “word borrowing”.

immaculatesense:


Lol...u av ran out of questions about


Which language was Yoruba Bible translated from?

Which language was your Bible written in?
You don’t know bwahahahah

Maynmann:


Which language was your Bible written in?
You don’t know bwahahahah

Lol...Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek(new testament)...
Modern Translation
Translated to Latin from the originals
Latin to English
English to Nigeria indigenous languages

Anymore questions

Av got work to do man... enjoy

immaculatesense:

Lol...Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek(new testament)...
Modern Translation
Translated to Latin from the originals
Latin to English
English to Nigeria indigenous languages

Anymore questions

It was written in paleo Hebrew not “Hebrew” and little Aramaic which also comes from paleo Hebrew .
It was translated to Greek from a copy(original is lost) as Septuagint.
It was Greek to English as William tyndale was the one that did it.
You ran to google it yet you still FAIL to comprehend,
BA in linguistics indeed believer immaculatesense
Ignorant flock.
Exactly shows the same BS you’ve been spitting since.

immaculatesense:

Lol...Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek(new testament)...
Modern Translation
Translated to Latin from the originals
Latin to English
English to Nigeria indigenous languages

Anymore questions

Av got work to do man... enjoy

Esu is not devil. Learn

I'm not sure why you would copy-paste the old testament in responses considering Christians alliance is to the new testament. Nonetheless, I'll give you a reply.

AntiChristian:


Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."

The answer to this is Jeremiah 4:5-18. There u will understand that 4:10 were Jeremiah's words and he was not only speaking ironically and but also in frustration.

1 Kings 22:20-22
And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
7 "One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
" 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

You completely missed the mark on this one. 1King 22:1-23 provides the context for this.
In 22:2 we learned that Jehoshaphat the King of Judah visited Ahab the King of Israel.
Ahab asked Jehoshaphat if he would go with him to battle and Jehoshaphat agreed to (22:4.)
Jehoshaphat asked to inquire from a prophet, but Ahab gathered 400 prophets instead (22:5-6.)
Jehos obviously not satisfied by that asked for a real prophet. Ahab said he knew one named Micaiah, but didn't like him because he always prophesied doom for Ahab (22:7-8.)
After Micaiah prophesied, Ahab was displeased (22:18.)
Micaiah then went on to explain to him what would happened if he didn't listen to God. It is obviously that Ahab didn't want to hear anything else but positive feedback.
Since he won't listen, God stopped bothering and allowed the devil and other fallen angels to have their way with Ahab (22:20-22.)
God have no problems with the Devil (that is, the deceiver) to have his way with people to tempt them and test their faith (Job 1:6, Revelation 12:10, Mathew 4:3-11.) Muhammad obviously failed.
Even if you only read 20-22 in isolation, it's obvious from the writing that God wasn't doing any "deceiving".

Ezekiel 14:9-11
" 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt-the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.' "

God is punishing him for a crime that He enticed him to do in the first place? Isn't that entrapment?

This passage is in some way similar to the previous one. Written by Ezekiel the prophet to the Jew people in diaspora in Babylonia (modern-day Iraq) advising them to adhere to the word of God and to always seek out the truth at all times because God will allow the Deceiver to have his way if the diaspora were only interested in hearing what they want to hear all the time.
This got nothing to do with God deceiving people, but everything to do with people who aren't interested in "the facts" but "the feelings" of situations.

6[b]Isaiah 37:6-7[/b]
Isaiah said to them, "Tell your master, 'This is what the LORD says: Do not be afraid of what you have heard-those words with which the underlings of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me. Listen! I am going to put a spirit in him so that when he hears a certain report, he will return to his own country, and there I will have him cut down with the sword.'

God had that spirit spread a rumor so that the King of Assyria can to return to his homeland. In short, that spirit's purpose was for deception.

I'm unsure how taking using a situation to punish a blasphemer (with His own hand by the way) equates to deceiving people.

Isaiah 19:14
The LORD has poured into them a spirit of dizziness; they make Egypt stagger in all that she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit.

Wherein did God deceive people?

Even though I don't believe the Gospels teach that Jesus taught he was God, however this example is for those who believe that Jesus is God. Jesus admits that he was speaking figuratively all this time...

Finally you copy-pasted the New Testament: the book which actually concern Christians.

John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?

I'm not sure how speaking to people figuratively or in parables equates deceiving them.

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Jesus didn't deceive anybody here. You'd know that if you actually understand what you copy-pasted up there. I'm not even sure how you interpreted that to mean Jesus deceive people.
Even those verses you quoted are without other verses pretty clear.

"When Jesus was alone, His disciples and some others (see 4:1-2) waited to ask Him about the parables.
Jesus told them: The Kingdom of God has been given to you because you bother to make the effort to try to understand the parables. Unlike those outside who couldn't be bothered, they only hear everything in parables. As a result, they only see the parables, but don't perceive the messages; they hear the parables, but don't understand the messages. (Sarcasm) Maybe they are afraid of being forgiven."

2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.

So God will delude people so that they can believe lies?

Betterheadline.

Paul was explaining the book of Revelation to the Thessalonians in simple term. In the quoted verse above, he explained what it would be like to those who choose the path of lie after rapture.

During the Lord's second coming, those who follow the teaching of Christ will be taken up to Paradise. Others will be given a second chance to choose the path of truth or path of lie. After everyone have chosen, then human freewill will be taken away from them. Unfortunately, some people will continue to choose the path of lie. Those who choose the path of truth will try to convince the other to change their way, but they won't be able to anymore. It would be as if "God send them a powerful delusional".

BetterHeadline:
I'm not sure why you would copy-paste the old testament in responses considering Christians alliance is to the new testament. Nonetheless, I'll give you a reply.


The answer to this is Jeremiah 4:5-18. There u will understand that 4:10 were Jeremiah's words and he was not only speaking ironically and but also in frustration.


You completely missed the mark on this one. 1King 22:1-23 provides the context for this.
In 22:2 we learned that Jehoshaphat the King of Judah visited Ahab the King of Israel.
Ahab asked Jehoshaphat if he would go with him to battle and Jehoshaphat agreed to (22:4.)
Jehoshaphat asked to inquire from a prophet, but Ahab gathered 400 prophets instead (22:5-6.)
Jehos obviously not satisfied by that asked for a real prophet. Ahab said he knew one named Micaiah, but didn't like him because he always prophesied doom for Ahab (22:7-8.)
After Micaiah prophesied, Ahab was displeased (22:18.)
Micaiah then went on to explain to him what would happened if he didn't listen to God. It is obviously that Ahab didn't want to hear anything else but positive feedback.
Since he won't listen, God stopped bothering and allowed the devil and other fallen angels to have their way with Ahab (22:20-22.)
God have no problems with the Devil (that is, the deceiver) to have his way with people to tempt them and test their faith (Job 1:6, Revelation 12:10, Mathew 4:3-11.) Muhammad obviously failed.
Even if you only read 20-22 in isolation, it's obvious from the writing that God wasn't doing any "deceiving".


This passage is in some way similar to the previous one. Written by Ezekiel the prophet to the Jew people in diaspora in Babylonia (modern-day Iraq) advising them to adhere to the word of God and to always seek out the truth at all times because God will allow the Deceiver to have his way if the diaspora were only interested in hearing what they want to hear all the time.
This got nothing to do with God deceiving people, but everything to do with people who aren't interested in "the facts" but "the feelings" of situations.


I'm unsure how taking using a situation to punish a blasphemer (with His own hand by the way) equates to deceiving people.


Wherein did God deceive people?




Finally you copy-pasted the New Testament: the book which actually concern Christians.

I'm not sure how speaking to people figuratively or in parables equates deceiving them.


Jesus didn't deceive anybody here. You'd know that if you actually understand what you copy-pasted up there. I'm not even sure how you interpreted that to mean Jesus deceive people.
Even those verses you quoted are without other verses pretty clear.

"When Jesus was alone, His disciples and some others (see 4:1-2) waited to ask Him about the parables.
Jesus told them: The Kingdom of God has been given to you because you bother to make the effort to try to understand the parables. Unlike those outside who couldn't be bothered, they only hear everything in parables. As a result, they only see the parables, but don't perceive the messages; they hear the parables, but don't understand the messages. (Sarcasm) Maybe they are afraid of being forgiven."


Paul was explaining the book of Revelation to the Thessalonians in simple term. In the quoted verse above, he explained what it would be like to those who choose the path of lie after rapture.

During the Lord's second coming, those who follow the teaching of Christ will be taken up to Paradise. Others will be given a second chance to choose the path of truth or path of lie. After everyone have chosen, then human freewill will be taken away from them. Unfortunately, some people will continue to choose the path of lie. Those who choose the path of truth will try to convince the other to change their way, but they won't be able to anymore. It would be as if "God send them a powerful delusional".

If your god was all knowing he’ll know the exact people that will make heaven and hell and not lobbying for customers

Blakjewelry:

First off I am not a Muslim, I purposely made that note because when whenever the issue of religion is been discussed, people tend to act as the mouthpiece of the gods or the conscience of the god and try to explain. Though not a Muslim, I can easily infer that the Quranic quote simply means though the enemy of Allah think they are smart, but he is smarter, what your fail to notice is the way the ancients use words.

Yeah, it's quiet acceptable to deny being a Muslim. Who would want to associate himself with a god who calls himself the best of deceivers?
However, your argument is lame. None of the chronic Muslims who answered the post ever said it was quoted out of context.

Believe you me, Christians don't quote quoranic texts out of context in order to support an argument. Only Muslims do, because, as Christians, we don't dwell on lies.

Also, the purpose of exposing such texts as this is just to show our Muslim brothers that they've been deceived. This is done out of love for them, not out of an intent to attack their religion.

Muslims on the other hand see Christians as religious competitors whom they must fight and win, and since all is fair in war, they must quote out of context to attack.

True christians are not at war. We do what we do out love. Muslims on the other hand are instructed to hate Christians and even kill them. Additionally, their religion supports lying on God's behalf. Meanwhile, we Christians cannot lie on God's behalf. If we do, we will come into condemnation.

To all muslims out there,

We love you and want you to escape from the shackles of deception, and embrace eternal peace in Christ Jesus.