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Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by budaatum: 3:47am On Nov 27, 2020 |
Bacteriologist: budaatum: Do note that I have since cooked up Gods in my mind where they now exist but since you are not capable of seeing the contents of my mind, I assume, I'm afraid you are not capable of engaging with the evidence. Do let me know if I'm wrong though. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Bacteriologist(m): 8:00am On Nov 27, 2020 |
budaatum: Omg lol did you forget that quickly? lmao you said it here: budaatum: I asked you to provide the evidence that gods do not exist. Because you said "there is SUFFICIENT evidence to categorically claim that gods do not exist." And you replied with the quoted message. Jeez discussing with you people sometimes is frustrating. |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by budaatum: 3:25pm On Nov 27, 2020 |
Bacteriologist:My dear man, no one owes you evidence and I don't need to provide you any since I'm not here brainwashing you or asking you to believe or not believe. Funny though how you seem to spend so much time opening threads about things you do not believe exist. I'll go check if you have a thread about unicorns in case its a thing you do often. |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by LordReed(m): 3:27pm On Nov 27, 2020 |
budaatum:Bite of the Buda. LoL! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Nobody: 9:31pm On Nov 27, 2020 |
vaxx:I know it's impossible for God (s) to exist!!!! I also know ANYTHING can exist in infinite forms!!!!!!! |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Nobody: 9:36pm On Nov 27, 2020 |
Bacteriologist:It's impossible for God (s) to exist because the definition of God (s) implies that NOTHING can exist!!!!!! But how many times do I have to state that it's impossible for NOTHING to exist ![]() ![]() |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Bacteriologist(m): 8:14pm On Jun 22, 2022 |
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Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:26pm On Jun 22, 2022 |
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Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 10:05pm On Jun 22, 2022 |
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Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 11:40pm On Jun 22, 2022 |
Bacteriologist:Would you agree with me that a LACK of BELIEF is exactly the same thing as a GNOSTIC knowledge? Gnostic knowledge is a Complete Knowledge about something! A person who lacks a belief is either a DUMB/IGNORAMUS or one with a FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE! Do you know why a Baby cannot be called an Atheist? |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by LordReed(m): 5:24am On Jun 23, 2022 |
TenQ: Yes an atheist is an ignoramus concerning god(s) since no facts concerning the existence of god(s) can be sufficiently demonstrated. A baby has no concept of god(s) so cannot actively participate in the debate. And no, lack of belief is not the same of gnostic knowledge since it carries no claim to knowledge in the first place. 1 Like |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 8:40am On Jun 23, 2022 |
LordReed:Thanks for going straight to the conclusion. An atheist is an IGNORAMUS simply because he expects a Creator made up of Matter. And since such kind of Creator does NOT exist, he chooses with incomplete knowledge a POSITION of BELIEF! He now comes around to claim that he lacks a belief LordReed:In other words, a baby is NOT a dumb IGNORAMUS neither does he have the capacity to KNOW the basic concept of God. LordReed:It is my dear. A LACK of BELIEF is exactly the same thing as a GNOSTIC knowledge? Let me give you some instances 1. I lack a belief in the existence of Superman or Spiderman. Why!? I have a complete knowledge about Superman or Spiderman to come to such a conclusion. Therefore, even if I choose to believe in Superman or Spiderman, it would be impossible because I know! 2. I lack a belief that 2+4=24 Why!? I know for certain that 2+4=6, therefore it is impossible for me to believe that 2+4=24 even of I choose to. A person can lack a belief ONLY and either he is totally IGNORANT or fully KNOWLEDGEABLE about a subject. However, 3. Can a person lack a belief that the Nigeria would be the greatest nation on the face of the earth 200 years from now? No! One can disbelieve such assertion and One can believe such assertion Both positions above has to do with INCOMPLETE knowledge and arguments can be thrown up in either direction! It takes a certain form of TOTAL/COMPLETE knowledge to claim a DISBELIEF! |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by LordReed(m): 9:55am On Jun 23, 2022 |
TenQ: Unless words no longer have the meanings we attribute to them then it is impossible for lack of belief to also be "a POSITION of BELIEF". A lack of something cannot by any stretch of the imagination also be the something that is in lack eg lack of food cannot also be food. In other words, a baby is NOT a dumb IGNORAMUS neither does he have the capacity to KNOW the basic concept of God. Ok It is my dear. A LACK of BELIEF is exactly the same thing as a GNOSTIC knowledge? Wrong. You don't need complete knowledge to lack the belief as you have already showed with the baby. In the atheist case it is basically that the proposition "god(s) exist" has not being sufficiently demonstrated to the point where an atheist will gain the knowledge of such of god(s). If the atheist has no knowledge of the god(s), how can he then at the same time have the knowledge of the god(s)? It's impossible. Also lack of belief is not disbelief. Disbelief is an active rejection of a fact. If you said here look, my dog is sitting over in that room and indeed the dog was there but I still said I don't believe you, that would be disbelief. On the other hand if you said you had a dog but when I ask you where it is you mumbled some incoherent thing and I said well I'll wait to see the dog before I believe you, that is lack of belief. They sound the same but they are not. To be clear some atheists do say they actively disbelieve in all forms of god(s), I am not one of them so I couldn’t tell you how they arrived at their position. 1 Like |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 10:57am On Jun 23, 2022 |
LordReed:Check again please. I said 1. Atheists expect God to be made up of Matter 2. Since God is not made up of Matter they reject everything to the contrary 3. In other words, atheists are Basing their decisions on incomplete information. 3. My opinion: Since the information about God atheists want is incomplete, they have to believe the Creator doesn't exist 4. My conclusion: Atheists say they DO not disbelieve but they LACK a BELIEF! (Contrary to nos 3) LordReed:Of course Babies Cannot be Atheists. Their state of IGNORANCE is based on their intellectual capacity. Therefore, they cannot choose to believe, disbelief or even lack of belief. They just don't know anything. LordReed:I gave you two simple examples to illustrate what can be described as "LACK of BELIEF". 1. I lack a belief in the existence of Superman or Spiderman. Why!? I have a complete knowledge about Superman or Spiderman to come to such a conclusion. Therefore, even if I choose to believe in Superman or Spiderman, it would be impossible because I know they don't exist except inside comic books! 2. I lack a belief that 2+4=24 Why!? I know for certain that 2+4=6, therefore it is impossible for me to believe that 2+4=24 even of I choose to. A person can lack a belief ONLY and either he is totally IGNORANT or fully KNOWLEDGEABLE about a subject. The question of sufficient evidence has been taken care of earlier: as The Creator CANNOT be physical and thus physical parameters can not be objectively used to know Him. It is stupidity to insist on using a Ruler to measure the diameter of an atom. The fact that such is impossible does not invalidate the existence of atoms. Such is the argument of atheists with respect to their claim of lack of "sufficient evidence". LordReed: Of course, a Disbelief is an active rejection of available facts. A lack of belief is completely different. As stated above, a lack of belief is born out of Gnostic knowledge. A Question: Which of these two options is closest to the truth Do you A. Lack a Belief that 2+5=25 or B. Disbelief that 2+5=25 |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by HellVictorinho4(m): 11:08am On Jun 23, 2022 |
LordReed:If indeed the dog is there means the dog is known to be there or .,..... If it is known to be there,why would there be rejection? Does sincere rejection of knowledge not involve not knowing? |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by HellVictorinho4(m): 11:12am On Jun 23, 2022 |
TenQ: How is ignorance the reason for lack of belief and how is lack of belief a choice? Babies are atheists....... even if LordReed says otherwise. |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by LordReed(m): 11:13am On Jun 23, 2022 |
TenQ: Of course it is based on incomplete information that's why we are ignoramuses on the question of whether god(s) exist and that's is why we lack belief. Why would we form a belief on incomplete information? I gave you two simple examples to illustrate what can be described as "LACK of BELIEF". Wrong again. In other to form a belief you need information. If the information is not sufficient then a belief cannot be formed. Of course, a Disbelief is an active rejection of available facts. No it is not. One could argue that that maybe DISBELIEF is tantamount to gnostic knowledge since the assumption is you know enough to actively disbelieve what is otherwise fact. Lack of belief does not make a claim to knowledge so cannot be gnotic in any form. Matter of fact many people who would hold this position would consider themselves AGNOSTIC atheists. Neither since I KNOW that 2+5 = 7 not 25 and 2+5=25 is not a fact. |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by LordReed(m): 12:03pm On Jun 23, 2022 |
HellVictorinho4: I don't know all the reasons why people reject facts but delusion is one reason. Not always. |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by LordReed(m): 12:09pm On Jun 23, 2022 |
HellVictorinho4: This is like claiming the baby is Christian or Muslim simply because of the parents beliefs. It is neither nor can it to be said to be of any religious persuasion since it has no knowledge of these things. Or are you telling me you can be a Christian without knowing it? |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Dtruthspeaker: 1:27pm On Jun 23, 2022 |
Bacteriologist: You conveniently put aside it's wider definition which says "a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion." So, atheism is a religion. Bacteriologist: Atheism is a belief that rejects any other belief it chooses to reject. Bacteriologist: Not all atheists but many of you have shown support for the doing of evil and even willfully done the evil themselves, even with joy exactly as what satanist do Bacteriologist: I have never heard a believer in God ever say Satan is an atheist. I would say it is almost impossible for any of them to say so. So this one is just plain bogus. Bacteriologist: Finally, the proof of Satanism. the evil of injustice and bias ![]() What a funny! ![]() |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 2:10pm On Jun 23, 2022 |
HellVictorinho4:Atheism is an assertion of disbelief in an idea. A baby cannot have such kinds of assertion because it's mind cannot take the required position! |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by LordReed(m): 2:22pm On Jun 23, 2022 |
TenQ: It is not. It is, in general, the LACK OF BELIEF in the idea of god(s), specific atheists may express disbelief in the idea of god(s). |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 2:32pm On Jun 23, 2022 |
LordReed:We don't believe what we have complete fact and information about. I can't believe the 2 apples plus 3 apples is five apples: I know that the total number of apples is 5 apples. Belief and Disbelief are positions taking when we have reasonable and sometimes emotional cause for taking a position (usually because the information is not absolute) I believe my wife loves me! I believe Buhari will not be Nigeria's president in 2014! I believe it is going to rain within the week! Compare with the reverse: I don't believe my wife loves me! I don't believe Buhari will not be Nigeria's president in 2014! I don't believe it is going to rain within the week! Putin can claim he believes that he would win this war just as Zelensky can believe he would win the war. Both leaders do not have complete information about everything that would be with respect to the war. LordReed:A belief is formed actually when the available information is not complete. That is why a person can claim that he believes that he would pass a certain exam. But can he guarantee that he would not have brain injury before the exam? LordReed:Do you believe that Peter Obi will win the 2023 presidential election? Whatever position of Belief or Disbelief is a product of incomplete knowledge. The only remaining factor is a state of Lack of Belief which is gnostic knowledge! It is nonsensical to believe that 2+4 is 6. It is nonsensical to disbelieve that 2+4 is 6. It is reasonable to lack a belief that snails can be taught to speak English. A lack of belief is a Gnostic state of knowledge. |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by LordReed(m): 2:51pm On Jun 23, 2022 |
TenQ: No, a belief is formed when the information is regarded as sufficient to reach a conclusion. Of course no one has absolute knowledge. That is why a person can claim that he believes that he would pass a certain exam. But can he guarantee that he would not have brain injury before the exam? LoLz. You are like a kid trying to push a square block into a round hole. How can an AGNOSTIC atheist be in a GNOSTIC state of knowledge of god(s)? It seems for you words only have the meaning you give them. |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 5:12pm On Jun 23, 2022 |
LordReed:How is it different from Belief and Disbelief are positions taking when we have reasonable and sometimes emotional cause for taking a position (usually because the information is not absolute). Here the available information is assumed to be sufficient to reach a conclusion. LordReed:The Opposite of Belief is Disbelief. If a DISBELIEF is borne out of incomplete information regarded as sufficient to reach such conclusions. How then is a LACK of BELIEF different from a DISBELIEF? You are the one defining a State of Lack of Belief as if you are defining a Disbelief! A lack of Belief is a Gnostic state: hence one can lack a belief that 2+4= 35 there is no other sufficient information that can change you from this state. You think the contemporary lords of atheism have done a good job defining atheism as a Lack of Belief? |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 5:17pm On Jun 23, 2022 |
TenQ: Atheist from atheos. The term theism derives from the Greek theos or theoi meaning "god" or "gods".
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Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 6:16pm On Jun 23, 2022 |
LordReed:Disbelief in the idea of god's existence (due to insufficient EVIDENCE)! LordReed:A Disbelief is formed when the information is regarded as sufficient to reach a conclusion. Thus even though atheists define atheism as a LACK of BELIEF, it is a stupid definition because it assumes a Gnostic knowing of the fact of God's inexistence! |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 6:22pm On Jun 23, 2022 |
TenQ: God/Gods comes from Theos. You can see from aTHIEST. And it’s a title not a person. So which particular god? And hope you know you are a monolatrist?
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Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 6:24pm On Jun 23, 2022 |
Maynmann:Atheism is an assertion of disbelief in an idea of DEITES existing! I am aware that atheists prefer to use the stupid idea of LACK of BELIEF rather than a DISBELIEF: as a lack of belief connotes a Gnostic state. I completely lack a belief that 1+2=34! A Belief requires an incomplete information or emotional attachment that is sufficient to arrive at a reasonable conclusion of believing. A Disbelief requires an incomplete information or emotional attachment that is sufficient to arrive at a reasonable conclusion of disbelieving. A Lack of Belief requires a complete information that rules out the possibility of believing but knowing! You lack a belief that you are the President of the United States of America! Why? |
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 6:24pm On Jun 23, 2022 |
TenQ: And what’s a theist? Heard of theology?
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Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by HellVictorinho4(m): 6:26pm On Jun 23, 2022 |
LordReed: If they reject sincerely, it means they don't know it's a fact. So ,they don't reject what they know to be correct,they sincerely and unwillingly reject even if they might say they do it by choice. It actually happens by chance in their brains such that they know not that it is the truth they are rejecting. In other words,their brains accidentally find the truth to be false. |
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