wirinet:

I highlighted the key points in your argument.
You talk about stable family. How many families in Nigeria (and even the US) are stable? Lots of children grow up in disjointed families. Might be a a consequence of polygamy, separation, divorce or even work related stress and pressures. There are families in which the children are subjected to all kinds of emotional, physical or sexual abuse among other types of child abuse.

Good school? How many good schools have you identified particularly among boarding schools. Schools of nowadays suffer from the same incompetence, corruption/immorality and greed that afflict the general society. It will be a grave error for parents to abdicate the raising and monitoring of children to schoools. My wife and I monitor my children like hawks and believe in the Bible injunction of "spare the rod and spoil the child" when necessary.


True. But the myriad of ways does not always work or available when needed.
Family dynamics must be discussed and agreed upon before marriage. In my own case I only wanted 2 children, but after 2 boys my wife was begging for another child because she felt lonely being the only female in the house. I agreed and tried again. When she got pregnant, she practically spent the early period in her church in prayers. I made it clear that if its also a boy, that is, because I don't have the energy and resources to raise 4 children. So when it came out a girl, she was over the moon. Since then she had been on birth control. It failed once and she had to go to her chemist friend for an abortion pill. Which took care of it effortlessly. My daughter was 8 yesterday and it was a big celebration both at her school and at home.
What I am getting at is that the decision to have a child should rest solely on the couples or woman or bears responsibility for birthing, caring and raising the child.

If you hear the cost of CS nowadays fear go catch you to get pregnant. We never even talk of pampers yet.




But many red states says want to prohibit abortion under all and any circumstances.
Yes abortion pills should be made readily available just like contraceptive pills. Afterall they work in similar ways to achieve the same goal.

If a woman does not want a foreign body inside her, you cannot force her to. If you force her to birth a baby she doesn't want, then what happens to the baby once it leaves her body. Are you also going to prosecute her for abandoning the baby and refusing to breatfeed it?

A household with a father and mother I would term it stable if they are not at loggerheads.
Good school. The essence of education is to bring up kids holistically and monitor their development. There are very many good state and public schools.
Birth control. I wont describe how I am sure I will not get another but its a matter that we have discussed.
A baby is not a foreign body in a woman . It is a baby, you never know what that baby will turn out to be in life so dont kill it unless there is a maternal risk

basilico:


A household with a father and mother I would term it stable if they are not at loggerheads.
Good school. The essence of education is to bring up kids holistically and monitor their development. There are very many good state and public schools.
Birth control. I wont describe how I am sure I will not get another but its a matter that we have discussed.
A baby is not a foreign body in a woman . It is a baby, you never know what that baby will turn out to be in life so dont kill it unless there is a maternal risk

A baby is a foreign body in a woman. The woman's body has special mechanism to protect the woman's immune system from attacking the fetus right from the zygote stage. Sometimes this mechanism does not work and the woman's immune system attacks the fetus causing perennial miscarriage.

I don't expect that kind of argument from an educated person like you. I expect that from illiterates who use the "you never know what that baby will turn out to be" or "babies are blessings from God" to create children they cannot take care of, thereby creating millions of almajiris and street children that go on to constitute menace to the society.

budaatum:


Not true, Ben. Abortion does not leave the evidence that murder leaves behind for starts, and you may not know a crime was committed with abortion.

Think if you can. If I murder you there'll be a dead body stinking up somewhere and someone will miss you, but no one would know I aborted you before my bump is obvious unless I told them I was pregnant with you in the first place.

this is one of the stupidest things I have heard.
One, there are a lot of unsolved murder cases. Seeing a body does not mean you can tie it to the killer. Abortion is the same. No one kills a person and then goes and announces it. some brag about it, but the same applies to abortion.
the evidence is you going to meet a person to abort the kid... there is a witness. in a murder, there will be no witness. I don't know how you are thinking, you make think you are making sense but you are sounding so dumb.

all the people buried in the desert are not stinking everywhere. also, you don't magic the aborted baby or fetus away, you will have some dead parts of the developing baby, and if you give that to the authorities, they can tell it's an aborted human.

Again, according to you, abortion should be legal because they can't police it. lol. Planned Parenthood has shut down in places abortion is outlawed... if it cannot be policed, they should not be shutting down

wirinet:


A baby is a foreign body in a woman. The woman's body has special mechanism to protect the woman's immune system from attacking the fetus right from the zygote stage. Sometimes this mechanism does not work and the woman's immune system attacks the fetus causing perennial miscarriage.

I don't expect that kind of argument from an educated person like you. I expect that from illiterates who use the "you never know what that baby will turn out to be" or "babies are blessings from God" to create children they cannot take care of, thereby creating millions of almajiris and street children that go on to constitute menace to the society.

Describing a baby as a foreign body likens the baby to a virus for instance, A baby is an extension of her body carrying her genes .
When you a call a baby a foreign thing You are setting the stage that she can dispose the baby off like a virus any time she feels like.

The world has ended Roe v Wade has been overturned by Trump appointed judges

wirinet:


A baby is a foreign body in a woman. The woman's body has special mechanism to protect the woman's immune system from attacking the fetus right from the zygote stage. Sometimes this mechanism does not work and the woman's immune system attacks the fetus causing perennial miscarriage.

I don't expect that kind of argument from an educated person like you. I expect that from illiterates who use the "you never know what that baby will turn out to be" or "babies are blessings from God" to create children they cannot take care of, thereby creating millions of almajiris and street children that go on to constitute menace to the society.

How a human being in this world will be living and have a view about babies like this mortal has stated here is the reason the whole world lies in darkness and governed by foul beings in high places. But we thank God, He's not going to allow their type to be in the majority. They will always and perpetually be in the minority and will be eliminated from the earth!

May the good Lord have mercy on your soul and free you from the demons of Hell!

itchie:

You liberals with your lies and half truths. 80% of Americans don't support abortion on demand and without preconditions like the rabid,blood thirsty liberals do. Most people that support legal abortion say it should be legal if the mother's health is at risk, in the case of rape or Incest. Only about twenty percent support the kind of abortion on demand without any conditions that you liberals are advocating for so please stop lying or at best telling half truths. The judiciary has been strenghtened by this decision, the only people crying and wailing over it are the rabid, blood thirsty liberals I mentioned earlier.

no wahala,just watch this election bros

basilico:


Describing a baby as a foreign body likens the baby to a virus for instance, A baby is an extension of her body carrying her genes .
When you a call a baby a foreign thing You are setting the stage that she can dispose the baby off like a virus any time she feels like.

It's all a matter of perspective. If a woman only wants to enjoy the pleasures of sex but not the consequence of a baby. If a baby enters her body, she will view it no better than a virus and attempt to get rid of it.

ono:


How a human being in this world will be living and have a view about babies like this mortal has stated here is the reason the whole world lies in darkness and governed by foul beings in high places. But we thank God, He's not going to allow their type to be in the majority. They will always and perpetually be in the minority and will be eliminated from the earth!

May the good Lord have mercy on your soul and free you from the demons of Hell!

You are just high on the opium of religion which has affected the areas of the cerebrum responsible logical reasoning.

Over 95% of the world is being governed by theists and they have made a mess of it. The few non theist governments are the actual ones doing well in terms of human development, peace and morality.

Forcing women to birth children they don't want is Evil. It's like punishing children along with their mothers for the sexual sins of the mother. This is resulting in loveless children that further projects hate onto the world.

this is why tucker is the best.
he made the point and you cannot counter it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH9VMhOM5MA

ono:
https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/17/jan-6-committee-ignores-clear-evidence-of-mass-illegal-voting-systematically-broken-election-laws/

Bas, ben, raum, friends,
While we celebrate the decision of the US Supreme Court to ban the evil abortion-promoting and enhancing R v W, we should not lose sight of the evil done by some RINOs and DemonRats to Steal the Nov 2020 elections.

Please see the snapshot and read fully the report in the link above.

I have snipped important details of the report for easy read.

Ono

Trump had won handily in 2017 Joe Biden handily gave the victory to the winner Trump.

In 2020 several states had sent alternate electors but the session was called off Not because Ray Epps cohorts breached the barriers but because a pipe bomb had been found behind the Capitol. Talk about the pipe bombs, there is footage of the guy who planted them but has never been arrested.
In 2020 several states had sent alternate electors unlike in 2017. In such a case they was supposed to discuss any objection and Mike Pence should have given the states 10 days to make up their minds. The pipe bombs made them adjourn the session Pelosi was seen being whispered to about the fake pipe bombs and session was abruptly adjourned. Ray Epps cohorts then moved in and when the protesters cleared all those objections were not listened because of the 'insurrection'
Joe Biden was then certified.

Here is a video of democrats in 2017 certification. Democrats objecting but did not have any alternate electors so Joe Biden dismissed them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ZtrFaa8Tw
But today saying the 2020 election was fraudulent is a crime.

wirinet:


You are just high on the opium of religion which has affected the areas of the cerebrum responsible logical reasoning.

Over 95% of the world is being governed by theists and they have made a mess of it. The few non theist governments are the actual ones doing well in terms of human development, peace and morality.

Forcing women to birth children they don't want is Evil. It's like punishing children along with their mothers for the sexual sins of the mother. This is resulting in loveless children that further projects hate onto the world.

Logical reasonings fade into oblivion when we talk of things about the rulership of this world, wirinet. The things of the spirit and that of the flesh (the world we live in) run contrary to one another.

For once, we agree - religion is also an evil scheme foisted on gullible people by no one else than the master of lies himself - the Devil. So you are right in that "religious" people (you said theists - same to me) and their religion are also a huge part of the problem. Non theist rulers "appear" to be doing well. That is a lie from the pit of hell. Do not be deceived.

And that's the reason you should not be a part of these evil machinations, my friend. Stay clear or you'd be a part of those that will be partakers of the wrath of God that's to be poured (in full measure) on the children of disobedience!

madrid5:
which truth,that women can't decide if they need a baby or not at that particular time of their life,next up is gay rights abi,next right to cancel.The republican party should bring laws that improve america not take 50 years backwards and disgrace her,na so fall of Rome tey start oh.

But the judgement never stopped anyone from becoming pregnant now. This is clear.
No need to spin this overboard.

basilico:


Ono

Trump had won handily in 2017 Joe Biden handily gave the victory to the winner Trump.

In 2020 several states had sent alternate electors but the session was called off Not because Ray Epps cohorts breached the barriers but because a pipe bomb had been found behind the Capitol. Talk about the pipe bombs, there is footage of the guy who planted them but has never been arrested.
In 2020 several states had sent alternate electors unlike in 2017. In such a case they was supposed to discuss any objection and Mike Pence should have given the states 10 days to make up their minds. The pipe bombs made them adjourn the session Pelosi was seen being whispered to about the fake pipe bombs and session was abruptly adjourned. Ray Epps cohorts then moved in and when the protesters cleared all those objections were not listened because of the 'insurrection'
Joe Biden was then certified.

Here is a video of democrats in 2017 certification. Democrats objecting but did not have any alternate electors so Joe Biden dismissed them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ZtrFaa8Tw
But today saying the 2020 election was fraudulent is a crime.

The entire J6 operation was a coup carried out to get rid of Donald J Trump. He was in the "way", and they needed to get him out.

He who hath an ear and eyes let him/her see and know how demonRats consipred with the powers in the Swamp DC to remove Trump from office.

So, on to roe vs wade.

Supreme court judgements CAN BE REVERSED.

That is what the pro-abortion crowd forgot completely..and ran around celebrating roe v wade in the 1970's. Meanwhile, their opponents began playing the long game. Today we are seeing the results of playing the long game.

If the pro-abortion crowd had done what their European counterparts did, and made sure that their right to have an abortion was enshrined in federal law, we won't be here.

Recently, the same supreme court ruled in favour of gun rights...by striking down a New York law...simply because the second ammendment exists. The abortion people were too too lazy to get a similar law passed.

subsidywise18:
So, on to roe vs wade.

Supreme court judgements CAN BE REVERSED.

That is what the pro-abortion crowd forgot completely..and ran around celebrating roe v wade in the 1970's. Meanwhile, their opponents began playing the long game. Today we are seeing the results of playing the long game.

If the pro-abortion crowd had done what their European counterparts did, and made sure that their right to have an abortion was enshrined in federal law, we won't be here.

Recently, the same supreme court ruled in favour of gun rights...by striking down a New York law...simply because the second ammendment exists. The abortion people were too too lazy to get a similar law passed.

their state their choice. the states can decide... this is democracy and a republic. Statily autonomy
my body my choice died when they want you to inject vaccine in your body... the hypocrisy of the left

benalvino3:


their state their choice. the states can decide... this is democracy and a republic. Statily autonomy
my body my choice died when they want you to inject vaccine in your body... the hypocrisy

Yes, that is true, which gets me to my main point.

If someone supports abortion and your state does not support it then get enough support, get enough votes, campaign, convince people and then get a law passed that allows for abortion in your state.

Or get a federal ammendment to the constitution guaranteeing reproductive rights

Don't rely on court rulings. Court rulings can be reversed.

Same goes for the conservatives.

Modified...

If you want your rights guaranteed...then go and get a law passed guaranteeing your rights, NOT a court ruling. Because today's court ruling is tomorrow's reversed ruling...

Once upon a time, the Supreme court ruled it was legal to keep slaves. Now it isn't because the appropriate law was passed making slavery illegal.

ono:


The entire J6 operation was a coup carried out to get rid of Donald J Trump. He was in the "way", and they needed to get him out.

He who hath an ear and eyes let him/her see and know how demonRats consipred with the powers in the Swamp DC to remove Trump from office.

Idiots are hoodwinked by the likes of Schiff and Pelosi that questioning an election is a crime. The left is making a lot of things criminal. Like covid vaccines suspicion, men can be women on the fly, Roe v Wade, Russia collusion etc. Literally the left is building a narrative and with the help of the media are helping to project their version as the gospel truth.Dare you criticize their version of the truth and you get cancelled.
Trump advisors are being subpoenad because they doubted the elections Yet democrats hounded Trump throughout his term, impeached him twice in the process.
Democrats are just pure evil people.

The left seems hell bent on shaping world opinion but they wont touch China.

benalvino3:


their state their choice. the states can decide... this is democracy and a republic. Statily autonomy
my body my choice died when they want you to inject vaccine in your body... the hypocrisy of the left

Show me one law or court ruling in any of the 50 states that made it a crime if you don’t get the vaccine

This is ridiculous and whataboutism

And you need to get a life

subsidywise18:


Yes, that is true, which gets me to my main point.

If someone supports abortion and your state does not support it then get enough support, get enough votes, campaign, convince people and then get a law passed that allows for abortion in your state.

Or get a federal ammendment to the constitution guaranteeing reproductive rights

Don't rely on court rulings. Court rulings can be reversed.

Same goes for the conservatives.

Modified...

If you want your rights guaranteed...then go and get a law passed guaranteeing your rights, NOT a court ruling. Because today's court ruling is tomorrow's reversed ruling...

Once upon a time, the Supreme court ruled it was legal to keep slaves. Now it isn't because the appropriate law was passed making slavery illegal.

Lol; roe v wade was seen as a part of a section of the constitution

What was the major reason for the civil war ? State rights to own slaves

Only if you are saying the civil war was wrong and states should have been allowed to make its own laws ?

Loving v Virginia; is federal over reach in your opinion; let’s get it out there and leave it to state

All of those numerous land mark cases; leave it to state rights

It’s a bullshit argument and a no brainer

State rights is a lazy excuse to backward the country

We’ve seen it during the era of Jim Crow

In some states lynching just became a crime as recently as 10 years

How don’t you guys see the retrogressive movement of things like this. Bro omo;

Timiofak:


Lol; roe v wade was seen as a part of a section of the constitution

What was the major reason for the civil war ? State rights to own slaves

Only if you are saying the civil war was wrong and states should have been allowed to make its own laws ?

Loving v Virginia; is federal over reach in your opinion; let’s get it out there and leave it to state

All of those numerous land mark cases; leave it to state rights

It’s a bullshit argument and a no brainer

State rights is a lazy excuse to backward the country

We’ve seen it during the era of Jim Crow

In some states lynching just became a crime as recently as 10 years

How don’t you guys see the retrogressive movement of things like this. Bro omo;

Ok...the Supreme court recently struck down a law on guns in New York....reason being it contravened the second ammendment.

On abortion...where is the federal law on abortion? Constitutional amendment.? If there was one, the conservatives won't have had any choice. All those constitutional originalists would have said...Abortion is the law...and we would be looking at 9-0 infavour of abortion rights.

Even civil rights....the states rights folks of the 1950's and 60'S HAD NO CHANCE...because the 13th and 14th amendment not only guaranteed the rights of black Americans as citizens, it also guaranteed their rights not to be treated worse than white citizens. NSRP and company in the end had no chance.


Finally, why are we not having similar cases in Europe? Because European abortion activists got a law on the books guaranteeing their right to abortion. And yes, they did not allow the fact that 'some european countries like Ireland and Italy are anti-aboriton...trying to get a law passed would be difficult....they got a law passed...guaranteeing their rights. YA think their opponents can challenge such laws in court? Even if the judge was anti-abortion, he has to keep within the law'.

Whether conservative, or liberal...if ye want your rights secured...get a law...preferrably a law passed at the level of constitutional amemdment ....that guarantees your rights NATIONALLY. Democracy in practice is hard work.

That is what the Irish did recently. No waiting for 'ruling by Irish court to guarantee our right'.

Livelystone01:

But the judgement never stopped anyone from becoming pregnant now. This is clear.
No need to spin this overboard.

which kind rubbish be this,so if a woman becomes pregnant and no longer wants the baby because of her financial situation or other issues she can't change it,na WA for una oh,how can a government be controlling people like that.

Timiofak:


Lol; roe v wade was seen as a part of a section of the constitution

What was the major reason for the civil war ? State rights to own slaves

Only if you are saying the civil war was wrong and states should have been allowed to make its own laws ?

Loving v Virginia; is federal over reach in your opinion; let’s get it out there and leave it to state

All of those numerous land mark cases; leave it to state rights

It’s a bullshit argument and a no brainer

State rights is a lazy excuse to backward the country

We’ve seen it during the era of Jim Crow

In some states lynching just became a crime as recently as 10 years

How don’t you guys see the retrogressive movement of things like this. Bro omo;

Tell us more about civil war . Is it democrats or Republicans who wanted to keep their slaves. Jim Crow was a democrat too.

Again . The Supreme Court should not be making laws. It should interpret the constitution as written.

Timiofak:


Show me one law or court ruling in any of the 50 states that made it a crime if you don’t get the vaccine

This is ridiculous and whataboutism

And you need to get a life

you lose your jobs, Biden fired people.
where have you been?

benalvino3:


you lose your jobs, Biden fired people.
where have you been?

Lol ode

I said show me a law

Talking about federal workers that got fired for not taking the required medical tests and vaccinations required for their jobs

basilico:


Tell us more about civil war . Is it democrats or Republicans who wanted to keep their slaves. Jim Crow was a democrat too.

Again . The Supreme Court should not be making laws. It should interpret the constitution as written.

Lol this is foolish; when it’s clear that there has been an ideological shift

Tell me more about modern day is it democrats or republicans that parade the confederate flag ?

subsidywise18:



Ok...the Supreme court recently struck down a law on guns in New York....reason being it contravened the second ammendment.

On abortion...where is the federal law on abortion? Constitutional amendment.? If there was one, the conservatives won't have had any choice. All those constitutional originalists would have said...Abortion is the law...and we would be looking at 9-0 infavour of abortion rights.

Even civil rights....the states rights folks of the 1950's and 60'S HAD NO CHANCE...because the 13th and 14th amendment not only guaranteed the rights of black Americans as citizens, it also guaranteed their rights not to be treated worse than white citizens. NSRP and company in the end had no chance.


Finally, why are we not having similar cases in Europe? Because European abortion activists got a law on the books guaranteeing their right to abortion. And yes, they did not allow the fact that 'some european countries like Ireland and Italy are anti-aboriton...trying to get a law passed would be difficult....they got a law passed...guaranteeing their rights. YA think their opponents can challenge such laws in court? Even if the judge was anti-abortion, he has to keep within the law'.

Whether conservative, or liberal...if ye want your rights secured...get a law...preferrably a law passed at the level of constitutional amemdment ....that guarantees your rights NATIONALLY. Democracy in practice is hard work.

That is what the Irish did recently. No waiting for 'ruling by Irish court to guarantee our right'.

And I’m telling you it was secured under the right to privacy

Is there a law for loving v Virginia ?

Not everything becomes law because it secured by previous laws

That’s how precedents are set

Which all three trump appointed judges said under oath that roe v wade is a secured precedent.

I know you are trying to be the rational one that stays in the middle but that doesn’t work here

Timiofak:


And I’m telling you it was secured under the right to privacy

Is there a law for loving v Virginia ?

Not everything becomes law because it secured by previous laws

That’s how precedents are set

Which all three trump appointed judges said under oath that roe v wade is a secured precedent.

I know you are trying to be the rational one that stays in the middle but that doesn’t work here

Even then, better to get a law enshrining your rights...privacy or otherwise. Or else.....

Rights mean nothing when they are not backed up by law.

Timiofak:


And I’m telling you it was secured under the right to privacy

Is there a law for loving v Virginia ?

Not everything becomes law because it secured by previous laws

That’s how precedents are set

Which all three trump appointed judges said under oath that roe v wade is a secured precedent.

I know you are trying to be the rational one that stays in the middle but that doesn’t work here

Sorry for quoting you again, but here is this article on Ruth Bader Ginsburg's critique of Roe vs Wade...

Ginsburg, who died in 2020, criticized the 7-to-2 decision both before and after she joined the high court. She argued that it would have been better to take a more incremental approach to legalizing abortion, rather than the nationwide ruling in Roe that invalidated dozens of state antiabortion laws. She suggested a ruling protecting abortion rights would have been more durable if it had been based on the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution — in other words, if it had focused on gender equality rather than the right to privacy that the justices highlighted.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg wasn't a fan of Roe v Wade.

AmazonTopaz:
Sanpipita and basilico go through this thread.
This is terrible in all proportions.

https://twitter.com/NicoleClowneyAR/status/1540349907357167617?t=RM7EYhyEC8UuOWX76HpRBQ&s=19

Their minons here will be talking about using contraceptives, have they seen what people like Clarence Thomas think about contraceptives? these people will be worse than turkeys that voted for Christmas.

subsidywise18:


Sorry for quoting you again, but here is this article on Ruth Bader Ginsburg's critique of Roe vs Wade...



Ruth Bader Ginsburg wasn't a fan of Roe v Wade.

I mean we can argue about the part of the constitution it should be

She has her own reasons for wanting it under equal protection

But as you can see she wasn’t asking for a constitutional amendment or a law

Because even judges expect it to be a settled case under the right to privacy

subsidywise18:


Even then, better to get a law enshrining your rights...privacy or otherwise. Or else.....

Rights mean nothing when they are not backed up by law.

You do have a point I agree

It should be law

But my point right here is

They are numerous Supreme Court landmarks that aren’t laws

For example brown v board of education; there is no exact law upholding it

But it is a settled precedent

But it’s obvious if more right wing judges get there they can turn it an leave it to state right.

Which is absolutely bullshit