HellVictorinho4:



Your mother , just another bastard,asked for information from budaatum but she refused to confirm your claim that I was begging you to change your mind

I am begging you to be more stupid than a deranged bitch instead of confused ostrich.


People should work and throw money on your mother's grave because budaatum feels your mother deserves it



Go and work and feed your mother wherever she is

Scammer you want me to expose you again. How you wanted to scam damiloladuke in the give away thread with your Elanozy and crystano monikers you have since deactivated?

You did that this year . After crying all over the place that I lied about you.
Since last year till now you still on the same game and you say I am responsible for your problems.
No shishi for you again. You are known already

And if you're not a coward you would stopped insulting your mother hiding behind your phone.

Reveal your exact location in Ikorodu if you think you're brave enough.

budaatum:


Triple, please, you called me here when you mentioned me, and I saw some level of brain use and engaged.

If you had written nonsense as you think I think, I very gladly would have ignored you like I ignore thousands of posts on here. But what you wrote is not nonsense, just that you have not exactly thought it through with the rigour such topics require and you would not listen to views that oppose your own but want us to park our minds aside and not use it to engage and critique what you've expressed.

That won't stop us expressing it however, as you can clearly see. You can run but you can't hide your mind from engaging, and you'd see what I mean when I appear to your mind in your dreams.

You have no such power to enter my dreams.

You're deluded surely and its just a matter of time.
Go an practice your witchcraft with your family members. I have no business with you

triplechoice:


You have no such power to enter my dreams.

You're deluded surely and its just a matter of time

Time and honesty, is required.

You will have buda in your dreams, Triple.

triplechoice:

I won't respond to you again so it doesn't become worst for you.

Now you are engaging with hell on your level I would hardly be surprised at all, though I'm certain you'd still fail.

triplechoice:


Scammer you want me to expose you again. How you wanted to scam damiloladuke in the give away thread with your Elanozy and crystano monikers you have since deactivated?

You did that this year . After crying all over the place that I lied about you.
Since last year till now you still on the same game and you say I am responsible for your problems.
No shishi for you again. You are known already

And if you're not a coward you would stopped insulting your mother hiding behind your phone.

Reveal your exact location in Ikorodu if you think you're brave enough.

In other words, your mother must have furked the entire government and its slaves such that they will accept your Nairaland posts and that of your fellow bastards as an evidence of scamming.



I used the Crystyano and Elanozy accounts in addition to the previous 3 Hell Victorinho accounts not because we have the same mother like you're suggesting .


I used them to express myself concerning certain things that are undisputable.


But I remain a scammer/beggar to you and your fellow bastards.


Tell budaatum I need her to breastfeed the puppies in my neighborhood .....if it makes more sense than this.



Your stupidity says I dropped no information yet you know I'm in Ikorodu...... How much are you going to spend on the useless government slaves to assassinate or kidnap me?



There's no constitution or rule of law,whether Nigerian or not ,that mocks this reply.


As for those celebrating your vomit as evidence,I wish them more vomit in advance.



Tell your lawyers and assassins or any other person that is stuck unto being a useless bastard to take water after eating the vomit.

budaatum:


Now you are engaging with hell on your level I would hardly be surprised at all, though I'm certain you'd still fail.

He will still respond to you since you're on his level.


I respond from a higher dimension of &###""7_33#"_#?(&$$-+&&.

@ triplechoice

Question 1: this thing you say is energy, does it obey any of the laws of energy we use to describe the universe eg law of conservation of energy?

Question 2: why does your listening experience improve when you close your eyes or why do you meditate better in a silent and dark place? Why does your ability to utilise one sense increase the less input your brain is receiving?

LordReed:
@ triplechoice

Question 1: this thing you say is energy, does it obey any of the laws of energy we use to describe the universe eg law of conservation of energy?

Is it created or can it be destroyed? It is neither created or destroyed..Modern quantum physics is begining to let us understand that the world and how it operates may be different from what is previously known; it may not be what we think .

.Energy ,that I am (my true self), is not created nor destroyed. If it can be destroyed, then , consciousness will not reincarnate.

Few persons are aware. of their previous life, while the majority of people are not aware. It is not easy to remember everything in one's present life not to talk of a past life.

However, one can remember their previous life if one chooses to. The re things that can be done to have a past life recalll to prove that one's consciousness has existed before in another body.

The claims I make, are not supported by science, that is ,scientists in the main body of science, except independent scientists working on their own, have not conducted any research to verify them, but it doesn't mean they are not true..

The re truths that people know of that are not yet proven by scientists.This could be due to non interest in investigating it or the limitations of the scientific nethod which makes it impossible to verify such claims.

However, ,this doesn't mean that one should just accept whatever anyone says is true with the excuse that scientists are yet prove or disprove it..

Question 2: why does your listening experience improve when you close your eyes or why do you meditate better in a silent and dark place? Why does your ability to utilise one sense increase the less input your brain is receiving?

For the above, one needs to be careful so as to avoid accepting other people's experience as your own and start living it. This can happen to those who don't know how to determine "facts from fiction"

Surprisingly, there are people who can visualize better with their eyes open than when closed, contrary to the usual advice to close it while doing so.

So imagine you're one of such persons who can visualize better with eyes open being advised to close it so you can do it better. If you follow that advice, you will not do it right unless you revert to what you can do naturally; eyes open

Some people teach that a silent and dark place is necessary for a good meditation experience. While there is some element truth in this, it is not completely true. Some people can meditate anywhere and anytime, but this usually comes with mastery.

There are others who without any form of mastery are naturally able to shut out their immediate environment and focus on what they do.

So its usually and individual thing concerning some of these things and not that it is so for everyone. One needs to use different approach to determine what is comfortable and works best and not because another person or expert says so .

Finally, there are other cognitive abilities that we possess which are not brain based. I know some people have already disagreed with this statement and may come for my head later.

When the input that comes through the brain is reduced, especially during sleep these abilities become fully operatiional and enables us to do things that we can't do in our normal waking state with our brains fully active..

At this point, it is our true self, the consciousness within, that's now free to express itself unhindered by brain.that seeks to control our behavior when we are awake.

I have said before that dreams are the experiences our true self has when our bodies are at rest, with the experiences flashed or recorded in our brains as dreams using the images embedded it so we can remember those experiences when we wake up.

Brains don't create dreams, if not ,Lucid dreams will not happen. Lucid dreams are when you become conscious in your dream that you're dreaming and start to act as if awake. If brains create dreams, this can't be possible.

Some people usually have dreams of precognition . The human brain is incapable if such function according to current brain theory in the sciences. This is the reason when one report dreams of such nature to others,, some people who don't understand the reason scientists reject such dreams, will unthinkingly says it happens by chance or coincidence.

But that is not true. scientists are not in a position right now to know exactly what goes on subjectively within ourselves. They don't have the tools to peer further other than to make inferences from observable brain activities which doesn't reveal everything.

So when there's less brain input coming from the outside, other cognitive abilities that we have, as consciousness within, usually come alive with the results from these abilities flashed across our mental screen so we can make use of these information if we need to. But we usually ignore this info for what is already contained in our limited rational mind/brain

All of these that I have explained will only make sense if we can accept we are not the bodies we occupy. However, whether we accept or not, it doesn't stop us from having those experiences . But ..........

triplechoice:



Is it created or can it be destroyed? It is neither created or destroyed..Modern quantum physics is begining to let us understand that the world and how it operates may be different from what is previously known; it may not be what we think .

.Energy ,that I am (my true self), is not created nor destroyed. If it can be destroyed, then , consciousness will not reincarnate.

Few persons are aware. of their previous life, while the majority of people are not aware. It is not easy to remember everything in one's present life not to talk of a past life.

However, one can remember their previous life if one chooses to. The re things that can be done to have a past life recalll to prove that one's consciousness has existed before in another body.

The claims I make, are not supported by science, that is ,scientists in the main body of science, except independent scientists working on their own, have not conducted any research to verify them, but it doesn't mean they are not true..

The re truths that people know of that are not yet proven by scientists.This could be due to non interest in investigating it or the limitations of the scientific nethod which makes it impossible to verify such claims.

However, ,this doesn't mean that one should just accept whatever anyone says is true with the excuse that scientists are yet prove or disprove it..


For the above, one needs to be careful so as to avoid accepting other people's experience as your own and start living it. This can happen to those who don't know how to determine "facts from fiction"

Surprisingly, there are people who can visualize better with their eyes open than when closed, contrary to the usual advice to close it while doing so.

So imagine you're one of such persons who can visualize better with eyes open being advised to close it so you can do it better. If you follow that advice, you will not do it right unless you revert to what you can do naturally; eyes open

Some people teach that a silent and dark place is necessary for a good meditation experience. While there is some element truth in this, it is not completely true. Some people can meditate anywhere and anytime, but this usually comes with mastery.

There are others who without any form of mastery are naturally able to shut out their immediate environment and focus on what they do.

So its usually and individual thing concerning some of these things and not that it is so for everyone. One needs to use different approach to determine what is comfortable and works best and not because another person or expert says so .

Finally, there are other cognitive abilities that we possess which are not brain based. I know some people have already disagreed with this statement and may come for my head later.

When the input that comes through the brain is reduced, especially during sleep these abilities become fully operatiional and enables us to do things that we can't do in our normal waking state with our brains fully active..

At this point, it is our true self, the consciousness within, that's now free to express itself unhindered by brain.that seeks to control our behavior when we are awake.

I have said before that dreams are the experiences our true self has when our bodies are at rest, with the experiences flashed or recorded in our brains as dreams using the images embedded it so we can remember those experiences when we wake up.

Brains don't create dreams, if not ,Lucid dreams will not happen. Lucid dreams are when you become conscious in your dream that you're dreaming and start to act as if awake. If brains create dreams, this can't be possible.

Some people usually have dreams of precognition . The human brain is incapable if such function according to current brain theory in the sciences. This is the reason when one report dreams of such nature to others,, some people who don't understand the reason scientists reject such dreams, will unthinkingly says it happens by chance or coincidence.

But that is not true. scientists are not in a position right now to know exactly what goes on subjectively within ourselves. They don't have the tools to peer further other than to make inferences from observable brain activities which doesn't reveal everything.

So when there's less brain input coming from the outside, other cognitive abilities that we have, as consciousness within, usually come alive with the results from these abilities flashed across our mental screen so we can make use of these information if we need to. But we usually ignore this info for what is already contained in our limited rational mind/brain

All of these that I have explained will only make sense if we can accept we are not the bodies we occupy. However, whether we accept or not, it doesn't stop us from having those experiences . But ..........

For the first question can I take it that your answer is, yes it follows the laws we use to describe energy?

You didn't really answer the second question. I need you to explain the experience of heightened sensation in some senses when other senses are not in operation based on your model of consciousness.

LordReed:


For the first question can I take it that your answer is, yes it follows the laws we use to describe energy?

You didn't really answer the second question. I need you to explain the experience of heightened sensation in some senses when other senses are not in operation based on your model of consciousness.

I focused on the meditation part of your question because I thought you were asking the same thing.
There's a scientific explanation already for your question. I will talk on that briefly and then, proceed to give an explanation from my own viewpoint in order to show what happens between the two..

In science, it is explained that when you close your eyes to block out visual inputs, you tend to listen better because your attention is no longer divided, but is now wholly focused on verbal inputs, which are very difficult to mask , thereby making it much easier to "hear" clearly the true emotions and intentions behind the words spoken.

Visual inputs grab our attention the most, and can distract us, for instance, into accepting the lies(verbal inputs) being told by another.. A lot of people are good at throwing illusions at others through pretended facial gestures and other body languages to trick our minds into accepting as truth what they are telling us. So when you block out visual inputs, you're safe and can then listened better without any distraction. .This is the scientific explanation.



From my own position,, what you have called my model of consciousness, there's a huge difference because an individual who is fully aware of their true self is able to operate more consciously from that level of awareness than the average human being who does so unconsciously.

So, for those fully aware of their consciousness, closing eyes to shut out visual inputs, will sometimes lead not only to perceiving clearly true emotions and intentions , but also to have flashed across inner mental screen of the listener, the imageries behind the verbal cues. That is, one can "see" mentally the exact or some of the situation another person is describing as if one is there when it happened.

It is also possible sometimes to mentally "see" parts of the story that is deliberately left out by the other person.I have sometimes experienced this at different times in my life and it has saved me from being misled by others .

So, what is the explanation for this; what really causes it?

Consciousness, the force field of aware energy, the true being, moves by attention; where ever attention is placed, is where ones energy, consciousness ,moves to. Consciousness is multidimensional in nature; its not bounded by time and space.People have their consciousness tied to bodies because they accepted they're a body

So,a placement of attention ,by someone who is fully aware of their consciousness, on verbal cues, while shutting off visual cues can led to being drawn into experiencing ,seeing" the actual situation which those verbal cues represent, with the imageries from it flashed instantaneously across inner mental screen so it is stored in mind/brain for recollection if one needs to act on the information later

LordReed:
@ triplechoice

Question 1: this thing you say is energy, does it obey any of the laws of energy we use to describe the universe eg law of conservation of energy?

Question 2: why does your listening experience improve when you close your eyes or why do you meditate better in a silent and dark place? Why does your ability to utilise one sense increase the less input your brain is receiving?

It seems you enjoy empty conversations.


If that bastard can't see that he's confused,then .......


I mean I may not know certain things about myself but I know I am a combination that shows a specific way to exist.


Why was the source of aware energy not defined?


Called God is not enough.

What happens to the other forms of energy?


How can energy be aware?


Aware of what?


How does the energy demonstrate awareness outside a living cell or system?

budaatum:


He failed in the rigourous training that would have cleared his senses.

buda I'm lost , theres literally no hope in sight, I fought depression years ago now it's back , its very real , tastable even.I see no reason to hope , to live .

TheSourcerer:
buda I'm lost , theres literally no hope in sight, I fought depression years ago now it's back , its very real , tastable even.I see no reason to hope , to live .

If it's also as a result of financial problems,buda ain't coming close to helping here.

TheSourcerer:
buda I'm lost , theres literally no hope in sight, I fought depression years ago now it's back , its very real , tastable even.I see no reason to hope , to live .

I think this is coming from having your perception of life rebooted. I find Jordan Peterson lecture very helpful with that aspect.
Also, like someone once said to me, The world is not your's to save, having such thoughts is egotistical and would only wear you down.

To put it more aggressively as Jordan puts it, "clean up your room before you think of cleaning the world"..

As for finances, we all are in situations that are specific to us..You just have to figure a way Out.

If you've survived all this while, surely you can go much longer. Maybe a break from bad news and gore would be nice. lol..

I reduced my intake of news, helps alot.

TheSourcerer:
buda I'm lost , theres literally no hope in sight, I fought depression years ago now it's back , its very real , tastable even.I see no reason to hope , to live .

If you fought it once you can again. Take it one day at a time.

LordReed:


If you fought it once you can again. Take it one day at a time.

Thank you Reed #HugsTight

kkins25:


I think this is coming from having your perception of life rebooted. I find Jordan Peterson lecture very helpful with that aspect.
Also, like someone once said to me, The world is not your's to save, having such thoughts is egotistical and would only wear you down.

To put it more aggressively as Jordan puts it, "clean up your room before you think of cleaning the world"..

As for finances, we all are in situations that are specific to us..You just have to figure a way Out.

If you've survived all this while, surely you can go much longer. Maybe a break from bad news and gore would be nice. lol..

I reduced my intake of news, helps alot.

Thank you Kkins, Lucky I have people here who really do care .

HellVictorinho4:




If it's also as a result of financial problems,buda ain't coming close to helping here.

If your issue had come at a different time, sorry man. My luck ran out!
Really feel bad, I wish we could have a sort of circle within us atheist, even if it's just online(considering secuirity, etc.).

I've made promises to other folks I know personally that I'm yet to fulfill self. You just have to figure something out mehn.. Wish you the best.

kkins25:

If your issue had come at a different time, sorry man. My luck ran out!
Really feel bad, I wish we could have a sort of circle within us atheist, even if it's just online(considering secuirity, etc.).

I've made promises to other folks I know personally that I'm yet to fulfill self. You just have to figure something out mehn.. Wish you the best.

Thanks for understanding

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/24/chess-robot-grabs-and-breaks-finger-of-seven-year-old-opponent-moscow

Lordreed, Diridiri & Co might find this to their taste.

DeepSight:


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/24/chess-robot-grabs-and-breaks-finger-of-seven-year-old-opponent-moscow

Lordreed, Diridiri & Co might find this to their taste.

I don't know what you mean by "find this to their taste", do you think someone getting hurt by a machine is something we would find tasteful?

LordReed:


I don't know what you mean by "find this to their taste", do you think someone getting hurt by a machine is something we would find tasteful?

Oh come on, old pal, I simply mean you guys might find in it some substantiation of your position that it is not inconceivable for AI to be or become self-conscious.

DeepSight:


Oh come on, old pal, I simply mean you guys might find in it some substantiation of your position that it is not inconceivable for AI to be or become self-conscious.

Ok, I just want to be sure. Well, from my understanding of what happened, it was a mistake not really a calculated attempt by the machine to cause harm. Apparently the child was making moves faster than what the programming of the robot allowed for so unfortunately the child's hand was over the board when the robot tried to make its own move. Still have plenty of ways to go before true AI will emerge.

Triplechoice, Deepsight

How would your view on the mind question explain this:

In a remarkable breakthrough, scientists from Israel have discovered that they can use saliva samples to quickly and accurately diagnose people suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

In a study published in Nature’s Molecular Psychiatry magazine, researchers from Tel Aviv and Haifa Universities took saliva samples and investigated the psychological, social and medical conditions of about 200 Israeli veteran soldiers.

They discovered that soldiers who had experienced combat stress related reactions from Israel’s first war with Lebanon in 1982, and were still suffering post-trauma, showed a typical microbial picture in their saliva.

https://www.israel21c.org/study-ptsd-sufferers-share-bacterial-footprint-in-saliva/

LordReed:
Triplechoice, Deepsight

How would your view on the mind question explain this:

In a remarkable breakthrough, scientists from Israel have discovered that they can use saliva samples to quickly and accurately diagnose people suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

In a study published in Nature’s Molecular Psychiatry magazine, researchers from Tel Aviv and Haifa Universities took saliva samples and investigated the psychological, social and medical conditions of about 200 Israeli veteran soldiers.

They discovered that soldiers who had experienced combat stress related reactions from Israel’s first war with Lebanon in 1982, and were still suffering post-trauma, showed a typical microbial picture in their saliva.

https://www.israel21c.org/study-ptsd-sufferers-share-bacterial-footprint-in-saliva/

Haba, this is no biggie at all. We agree that the mind and body are connected. It is thus not a surprising thing that one can glean the state of the mind from signs in the body. Certain chemicals for example are only emitted in certain states of mind. Looking at the quantum and state of your serotonin for example, a doctor can tell about your mood, your sleep or lack of it, even your libido.

This is not an issue. This does nothing to suggest that mind is matter. It only affirms what we all already agree on: that mind is, for beings such as us, in this world, connected to matter. This has never been disputed.

DeepSight:


Haba, this is no biggie at all. We agree that the mind and body are connected. It is thus not a surprising thing that one can glean the state of the mind from signs in the body. Certain chemicals for example are only emitted in certain states of mind. Looking at the quantum and state of your serotonin for example, a doctor can tell about your mood, your sleep or lack of it, even your libido.

This is not an issue. This does nothing to suggest that mind is matter. It only affirms what we all already agree on: that mind is, for beings such as us, in this world, connected to matter. This has never been disputed.

I guess what I am trying to understand from your viewpoint is why would an independent aspect of the mind body duality be needing to cause these chemical and biological changes. Why is there any sort of feedback?

LordReed:


I guess what I am trying to understand from your viewpoint is why would an independent aspect of the mind body duality be needing to cause these chemical and biological changes. Why is there any sort of feedback?

It is not independent: certainly not in the material world.

DeepSight:


It is not independent: certainly not in the material world.

How is in not independent if it survives the death of the body?

LordReed:


How is in not independent if it survives the death of the body?

It is not independent in its working in the world of matter. It cannot be. For it is influenced by external material stimuli as much as it also influences the external material world in constant interaction with it.

Let me add that that which spiritual people through the ages have thought of as surviving physical death is the spirit, which is understood differently from the mind.

Before you ask, I think I defined spirit somewhere on this thread -

https://www.nairaland.com/6942843/matter-mind/7#109541872

.

DeepSight:


It is not independent in its working in the world of matter. It cannot be. For it is influenced by external material stimuli as much as it also influences the external material world in constant interaction with it.

Let me add that that which spiritual people through the ages have thought of as surviving physical death is the spirit, which is understood differently from the mind.

Before you ask, I think I defined spirit somewhere on this thread -

https://www.nairaland.com/6942843/matter-mind/7#109541872

.

So the mind is not the spirit?

LordReed:


So the mind is not the spirit?

At all.
Even in everyday parlance, people distinguish between thinking with their "head" and not their "heart." Although this is only a rough analogy: for you can respond by saying that emotions arise from the activity of the head anyway, and that the heart is merely used symbolically, which will in a sense be true. But what I mean here is that the spirit is the core intangible root consciousness of being. Whereas the mind may be viewed as that intangible space where the spirit meets the body, where our memories, worldly identity and daily self consciousness reside, and where we think and organize our lives and our activity, the realm of our thoughts. This space is of course, as I said, connected with the body in this material realm, it influences the body just as the body influences it.

LordReed:

I guess what I am trying to understand from your viewpoint is why would an independent aspect of the mind body duality be needing to cause these chemical and biological changes.

Which "independent aspect of the mind body", my Lord?

LordReed:
Why is there any sort of feedback?

Same reason there is feedback from the mouth when a hammer is hit on the finger. All sorts of connections imply co-dependence, at least.

P.s. I've lost his viewpoint and might go digging.