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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Mikee19(m): 12:47am On Jul 12, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


I know you're not relying on what you read in the Bible rather you're placing the dogmas of your sect over God's word.
So it will be very difficult for you to face the reality.

Here you are, MaxInDHouse, telling Jokerman, that he ought to be RELYING on what he himself read in the Bible by himself, over what his sect teaches him. This means that what he reads himself from the Bible is RELIABLE (abi isn't that from where we get the word "rely"?). In order words, Jokerman can get RELIABLE INFORMATION all by himself without needing his "sect's" help. This means you're really saying that Jokerman can look at the Bible, all by himself, and correctly and reliably know what it is saying, with help from NO-ONE! Abi i don't understand English again ni? If this isn't what MaxInDHouse is saying, and i got it wrong, pls nairalanders help me!

Now I know u are a very intelligent person. You were the best undercover CIA agent in the whole world! I'm sure you do not think Jokerman is more brilliant and you, do you? Why is Jokerman the only person who can by himself look at the Bible and get RELIABLE INFORMATION (= rely on what he reads himself), without any sort of external help, and you as brilliant as you are CANNOT? Why are JWs suddenly too dull to do what ordinary Jokerman is capable of? Why can they suddenly not get reliable information like him? What, by your own admission, he can do quite capably without help from no-one, you suddenly need the "apostles of your day" in the persons of the GB (who by the way are themselves uninspired), to now begin doing for you? Are you admitting that JWs are the dullest of the dull of this whole world? cheesy

Yet with all this you won't see the folly of your ways...

Check this out:

NKJV Ro 16:10: "¹⁰ Greet Apelles, approved in Christ. Greet those who are of the household of Aristobulus."

What does this verse mean? Does it mean that they are to CRUCIFY Apelles? Or that they should flog the family members of Aristobulus?

NO! You read that verse and you know EXACTLY what it means! You don't need anybody to explain it for you! You are quite capable of seeing that Paul is just asking them to say hello to those ppl for him!

Or:

NKJV Ro 16:15: "¹⁵ Greet Philologus and Julia, Nereus and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints who are with them."

Does this verse mean that Philologus is the messiah? Or that Olympas is a theology one must study to get eternal life? grin

Again, NO! You read that verse you know EXACTLY what it means! You need nobody to explain it to you because you aren't that dull (unless you really are grin)

You realize that these things are LETTERS? That's why you see such things are greetings like these inside them! When someone writes you a letter, do you run around looking for someone else to explain and interpret the letter to you? NO! You read the letter, you know EXACTLY what it means! This is how it is with ANY letter! You know this! Why then must it be different with these too? They are just LETTERS! And you can read and understand what a letter is saying!

I just demonstrated this to you with these few verses from those letters up there. You can read and understand perfectly that Paul is just asking them to greet other ppl, you cannot think otherwise! Why then does this same intelligence suddenly disappear when it comes to other parts of THE SAME LETTERS? You suddenly become unintelligent, and cannot understand again, and must have someone else interpret them for you. This is FOOLISHNESS! A letter can contain any topic at all in the world, football, science, cooking, anything! These merely happen to contain God's thoughts, yet THEY ARE STILL LETTERS regardless! If u can understand Paul's greeting, you are not so dumb not to understand the rest of the letter too! It remains a LETTER written like any other that you read normally and understand!

When Paul wrote his letters, he didn't have to go and personally hand-deliver the letters by himself to the churches just so that he can tell them the meaning of what he wrote na! They will get the letter, read it, and understand it ALL BY THEMSELVES, sometimes even with Paul in prison! He DID NOT have to be there! Even the other apostles too weren't there cos they weren't sent to the Gentiles like Paul was! So which apostle will now interpret it for them? No-one! They will understand it BY THEMSELVES just as you understand a letter written to you!

You claiming the GB stand in the apostles place is nonsense. They aren't anointed, and the apostles never did the work of interpretation of their own letters they wrote. They expected any normal human being to be able to read and understand a LETTER! And you can too; if Jokerman can do it so can you! Your GB are a fraud. You DO NOT need them to understand "scriptural letters", u can understand them on your own!

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:05am On Jul 12, 2022
Mikee19:

Here you are, MaxInDHouse, telling Jokerman, that he ought to be RELYING on what he himself read in the Bible by himself, over what his sect teaches him. This means that what he reads himself from the Bible is RELIABLE (abi isn't that from where we get the word "rely"?). In order words, Jokerman can get RELIABLE INFORMATION all by himself without needing his "sect's" help. This means you're really saying that Jokerman can look at the Bible, all by himself, and correctly and reliably know what it is saying, with help from NO-ONE! Abi i don't understand English again ni? If this isn't what MaxInDHouse is saying, and i got it wrong, pls nairalanders help me!
Now I know u are a very intelligent person. You were the best undercover CIA agent in the whole world! I'm sure you do not think Jokerman is more brilliant and you, do you? Why is Jokerman the only person who can by himself look at the Bible and get RELIABLE INFORMATION (= rely on what he reads himself), without any sort of external help, and you as brilliant as you are CANNOT? Why are JWs suddenly too dull to do what ordinary Jokerman is capable of? Why can they suddenly not get reliable information like him? What, by your own admission, he can do quite capably without help from no-one, you suddenly need the "apostles of your day" in the persons of the GB (who by the way are themselves uninspired), to now begin doing for you? Are you admitting that JWs are the dullest of the dull of this whole world? cheesy
Yet with all this you won't see the folly of your ways...
Check this out:
What does this verse mean? Does it mean that they are to CRUCIFY Apelles? Or that they should flog the family members of Aristobulus?
NO! You read that verse and you know EXACTLY what it means! You don't need anybody to explain it for you! You are quite capable of seeing that Paul is just asking them to say hello to those ppl for him!
Or:
Does this verse mean that Philologus is the messiah? Or that Olympas is a theology one must study to get eternal life? grin
Again, NO! You read that verse you know EXACTLY what it means! You need nobody to explain it to you because you aren't that dull (unless you really are grin)
I love the way you expatiate on what you think on this matter and permit me to say you really demonstrate how a liberal individual perceive things but it's a pity that this case totally differs from liberalism rather there is nothing like self reliability in knowing what God's word says. Think of it: if each person can just pick up the Bible, read and understand certain truth all by himself do you think Jesus will tell his disciples that they will be guided by a spirit? {John 14:26} the answer is NO! Again if after they've been guided by the spirit this same will apply to all others after them do you think Jesus will say they should go and TEACH baptized Christians? {Matthew 28:20} once again the answer is NO!
So why must all those connected to Jesus rely on the understanding of those that are closest to him? Jesus explains that the tree was planted by his father {John 15:1} his closest confidants are the branches {John 15:6} so each member of the family will have to continue relying on others in the family just like an organization that is in order! Hebrews 10:24-25
Of course all the religious groups will claim they have that Holy Spirit so Jesus didn't leave us in the dark as to distinguish between the group having God's Holy Spirit and those that doesn't. He said there will be a kind of unique peace in the gathering of those having the backing of God's Holy Spirit! John 14:27
So when Satan keeps blurring the senses of all the inhabitants of the earth {2Corinthians 4:4} so that they are fighting and killings their own neighbours justifying such killings due to racism and politics {Revelations 6:3-4} there will be this unusual PEACE permeating the gathering of Jesus' real disciples {Isaiah 2:4} WHY? Because the Holy Spirit was dispensed by the one and only true God {Zechariah 4:6} in the name of Christ Jesus {John 14:26} who is the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6
That's why Jesus confidently said [b]"by their FRUITS you will know them"[b] because only the group having the backing of God's Holy Spirit can escape Satan's spiritual missile sent to make people throughout the world raise weapons against their neighbours! Matthew 7:16-18
Mikee19:

You realize that these things are LETTERS? That's why you see such things are greetings like these inside them! When someone writes you a letter, do you run around looking for someone else to explain and interpret the letter to you? NO! You read the letter, you know EXACTLY what it means! This is how it is with ANY letter! You know this! Why then must it be different with these too? They are just LETTERS! And you can read and understand what a letter is saying!
I just demonstrated this to you with these few verses from those letters up there. You can read and understand perfectly that Paul is just asking them to greet other ppl, you cannot think otherwise! Why then does this same intelligence suddenly disappear when it comes to other parts of THE SAME LETTERS? You suddenly become unintelligent, and cannot understand again, and must have someone else interpret them for you. This is FOOLISHNESS! A letter can contain any topic at all in the world, football, science, cooking, anything! These merely happen to contain God's thoughts, yet THEY ARE STILL LETTERS regardless! If u can understand Paul's greeting, you are not so dumb not to understand the rest of the letter too! It remains a LETTER written like any other that you read normally and understand!
When Paul wrote his letters, he didn't have to go and personally hand-deliver the letters by himself to the churches just so that he can tell them the meaning of what he wrote na! They will get the letter, read it, and understand it ALL BY THEMSELVES, sometimes even with Paul in prison! He DID NOT have to be there! Even the other apostles too weren't there cos they weren't sent to the Gentiles like Paul was! So which apostle will now interpret it for them? No-one! They will understand it BY THEMSELVES just as you understand a letter written to you!
You missed the import of God's word on this issue of Paul's letter Sir!
How? Paul himself emphasized that even the letters aren't supposed to be read and understood like simple letters. The spirit of unionism must play it's part otherwise none of you will get the sense of what is written in those letters! 2Corinthians 3:6
That's why he always encourage fellow believers to do things together {Colossians 4:16} just as Jesus Christ also insisted we do when handling sacred secrets! Matthew 18:20
Note that Jesus taught his followers to go into their secret rooms when praying for personal needs because each person differs in what we feel as need {Matthew 6:6} but in the case of handling sacred service they need that spirit sent in Jesus' name {John 14:26} to guide them as a group in order for them to understand the message! Matthew 18:20
Mikee19:

You claiming the GB stand in the apostles place is nonsense. They aren't anointed, and the apostles never did the work of interpretation of their own letters they wrote. They expected any normal human being to be able to read and understand a LETTER! And you can too; if Jokerman can do it so can you! Your GB are a fraud. You DO NOT need them to understand "scriptural letters", u can understand them on your own!
Just as Adeboye, Oyedepo, Oyakilome, Kumuyi, Olukoya, Okotie, TB Joshua, Oritsejafor and many others decided to read it on their own and later created contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines in the society {Luke 11:23} all in the name of Jesus who prayed to his father for oneness in thought among his present and future disciples {John 17:20-23} shey?

Ọmọ that is a lie nah! undecided
If Kumuyi condemned makeup and jewelries for women in the name of Jesus Christ but others approved it (including trousers) in the name of the same Jesus Christ surely they have all missed the road! 1Corinthians 14:33

I'm not doing this to convince you but to prove to you that God's word is not for each individual to read and understand even when talking about the group of people living in Beroea Paul said they went back to discuss within themselves to be certain that what the Apostles sent to them are truly from the true God!

Immediately by night the brothers sent both Paul and Silas to Be·roeʹa. On arriving, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·niʹca, for they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Act 17:10-11

Do you notice that those who received the letters from the Apostles went into the synagogue instead of into their individual homes? well that's because they read the letter and reason together in the synagogues before concluding it is from the true God! Act 17:12

So my friend God's word is not to be read alone but we need the guidance of a group of anointed brothers of Christ to dispense the spiritual food for us in this last days.
Sorry that's what Jesus of Nazareth said:

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?" Matthew 24:45

Jesus confirmed he will appoint such a group as overseers over his earthly subjects:

"Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings" Matthew 24:46-47

That's why you're seeing a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} subjecting themselves to these few men that Jesus appointed as his representatives on planet earth! Luke 12:32

May you have PEACE! 2Corinthians 13:14 smiley

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by AntiChristian: 12:38pm On Jul 12, 2022
delkuf:
Stop this nonsense you are trying. If you don't believe don't ridicule it.

How did i ridicule anything?

Jehovah witness says Jesus is Angel Michael.

Other denomination of Christianity chooses one of those options!

And you are accusing me.
Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by johnw47: 1:21pm On Jul 12, 2022
MaxInDHouse:

So Jesus is not our God rather he served as God at a point in time PAST just the same way Moses served as God that's why John 1:1 used the PAST tense WAS God not IS God! wink

job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at


oh duh, lost false jw mad max

does the verse say, In the beginning "is" the Word
does it say, and the Word "is" with God
no to both
then why should it say, and the Word "is" God

Joh 1:1  In the beginning "was" the Word, and the Word "was" with God, and the Word "was" God. 

"was god" is used because it's all about the past:

In the beginning < past tense
was the Word <past tense
and the Word was with God < past tense
and the Word was God <past tense

"was" "was" "was" is correct grammar oh most dum one


if "is" were to be used instead of "was" it would make no diffrence to the truth of the matter:

In the beginning "is" the Word, and the Word "is" with God, and the Word "is" God

however it's not correct grammar

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:04pm On Jul 12, 2022
johnw47:


job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at


oh duh, lost false jw mad max

does the verse say, In the beginning "is" the Word
does it say, and the Word "is" with God
no to both
then why should it say, and the Word "is" God

Joh 1:1  In the beginning "was" the Word, and the Word "was" with God, and the Word "was" God. 

"was god" is used because it's all about the past:

In the beginning < past tense
was the Word <past tense
and the Word was with God < past tense
and the Word was God <past tense

"was" "was" "was" is correct grammar oh most dum one


if "is" were to be used instead of "was" it would make no diffrence to the truth of the matter:

In the beginning "is" the Word, and the Word "is" with God, and the Word "is" God

however it's not correct grammar

Ọ̀DẸ̀!

Why not go straight ahead by putting it word for word?

In the beginning WAS Jesus and Jesus WAS with God and Jesus WAS God.

Then come back with your stupid trinity nonsense to convince right thinking persons that the person WITH God is the same God! cheesy

In the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS with God and the word WAS:
~a god
~godlike
~divine all makes sense but the word was God sounds really hilarious! cheesy

So if you want to keep that nonsense no wahala Jesus has clarified issues by saying we should observe the FRUIT of each religion. Matthew 7:16-18

Go out there and boast of the fruit of your religion as noticeable globally! Matthew 5:14-16

You stupid Deeperlifer! grin
Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Emusan(m): 6:09pm On Jul 12, 2022
Janosky:

Emusan why?
Is archbishop a Bishop?
Is archbishop the Head,Boss of other Bishops?

Mumu 3 deities worshippers

Olodo...

You didn't answer my question simply because you know your idiotic lying mouth will be exposed.

What is the difference between Arch and Chief is the question.

Micheal is ONE OF THE CHIEFS PRINCES (plural) cheesy grin cheesy grin

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Emusan(m): 6:10pm On Jul 12, 2022
Janosky:

John 7:16,Everyone sent is aggelous,(angel, messenger, envoy).
Your Trinity mentors understands the screenshots of John 7:16 & Greek aggelous.

Emusan Dullard,shame on you.

So you agree that Moses is an Angel since he was sent.

JOHN the Baptist is an Angel since he was sent cheesy grin cheesy grin grin

Wahala for the worshipper of men in Warwick grin grin cheesy grin

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Emusan(m): 6:38pm On Jul 12, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Any Pharaoh back then was God over all those in his kingdom according to Egyptian Culture, he can send anyone to death and also free anyone sentenced to death! Genesis 40:21-22

That's not what make anybody God!

God is the creator and sustainer of the universe

Stop the ignoramus.

So when JEHOVAH said he made Moses God to Pharaoh {Exodus 7:1} it simply means Pharaoh will always seek Moses's face for favour over his land!

Now it's GOD Jehovah made Moses not A GOD again cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Confused JWs

That's exactly what Jesus became when he walked the earth as all the gods (demons) on the planet take orders from Jesus, but Jesus WAS! WAS!! WAS!!! God like Moses not to be worshiped by anyone rather he himself told us who we should direct our worship to! John 20:17

To even link the content of John 1:1 to Jesus earthly mission says more on how empty you are about scripture.

John 1:1 is about ETERNAL existing of the WORD

"In the Beginning WAS the Word, and the Word was WITH GOD, and God was the Word"

To says Jesus was ONCE God shows you like knowledge of that verse which even your organization dare not to interpret that way.

So Jesus is not our God rather he served as God at a point in time PAST just the same way Moses served as God that's why John 1:1 used the PAST tense WAS God not IS God! wink

Stop this public display of shame! John was not there when The Word was With God in eternity before creation and that was past event.

So if you're to right something of the past you'll use present tenses bah

Oma se oooo cheesy cheesy cheesy grin cheesy grin

I know majority of JWs lack basic understanding of English.

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Mikee19(m): 7:09pm On Jul 12, 2022
Sometimes when I see his usage of scripture, fear dey catch me gringrin. I go just weak. Like how now? gringringrin

I typed a response to him in the morning, but it wiped away and I have to start afresh again, but i just weak. Some things are just basic English now, simple application of scripture! All his scripture was just out of place cheesy

Well, my consolation is that it's not my work to do but the Holy Spirit smiley

Emusan:


That's not what make anybody God!

God is the creator and sustainer of the universe

Stop the ignoramus.



Now it's GOD Jehovah made Moses not A GOD again cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Confused JWs



To even link the content of John 1:1 to Jesus earthly mission says more on how empty you are about scripture.

John 1:1 is about ETERNAL existing of the WORD

"In the Beginning WAS the Word, and the Word was WITH GOD, and God was the Word"

To says Jesus was ONCE God shows you like knowledge of that verse which even your organization dare not to interpret that way.



Stop this public display of shame! John was not there when The Word was With God in eternity before creation and that was past event.

So if you're to right something of the past you'll use present tenses bah

Oma se oooo cheesy cheesy cheesy grin cheesy grin

I know majority of JWs lack basic understanding of English.

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Mikee19(m): 7:40pm On Jul 12, 2022
@MaxInDHouse no shade intended. I just genuinely feel that way sometimes. But thank God for the Holy Spirit who does his work!

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:08pm On Jul 12, 2022
Mikee19:

@MaxInDHouse no shade intended. I just genuinely feel that way sometimes. But thank God for the Holy Spirit who does his work!

Blessed are those that rejoice and appreciate the fine WORKS of God's Holy Spirit! wink

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:29pm On Jul 12, 2022
Emusan:

John was not there when The Word was With God in eternity before creation and that was past event.

How can the one who has been in eternity be rightly called the "firstborn of all creations"? Colossians 1:15
Common sense should tell that the firstborn can't be excluded from the rest of creations because it's part of it.
No wonder Jesus said to Mary Magdalene:

"I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

Jesus was created in the beginning of creation {Proverb 8:22} only God has no beginning! smiley

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Janosky: 10:03pm On Jul 12, 2022
Emusan:


That's not what make anybody God!

God is the creator and sustainer of the universe

Stop the ignoramus.

Now it's GOD Jehovah made Moses not A GOD again cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Confused JWs
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Emusan calm down & study the definition here & receive Sense.
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Two questions for Emusan:
@ Pharoah's palace, Did Moses had divine powers?
@ the Red Sea, did Moses display divine powers?

Moses was like God, Moses was a god.
Aaron was a god, Exodus 4:16


Emusan:


To even link the content of John 1:1 to Jesus earthly mission says more on how empty you are about scripture.

John 1:1 is about ETERNAL existing of the WORD

"In the Beginning WAS the Word, and the Word was WITH GOD, and God was the Word"

To says Jesus was ONCE God shows you like knowledge of that verse which even your organization dare not to interpret that way.
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Empty tantrums won't help you.
Deuteronomy 10:17, Jehovah is the God (ho Theos of John 1:1) of gods, (Psalm 82:6)His Sons.
John 10:34-36, is Jesus His Son?
John 10:33,(screenshots)is Jesus a god?
Yes & YES, definitely !
Eve proceeded from Adam.
Jesus proceeded (a god) from God his Father (ho Theos the God).
Latin Bible is very PLAIN about this truth.
Case closed.


Emusan:


Stop this public display of shame! John was not there when The Word was With God in eternity before creation and that was past event.

So if you're to right something of the past you'll use present tenses bah

Oma se oooo

I know majority of JWs lack basic understanding of English.
Revelation 3:14 & Mark 13:19 "the beginning of Creation which God created".
@ Revelation 3:14, that beginning, that first born is Jesus Christ.
John 17:7,24, God gave him EVERYTHING (life and glory) before the creation of the world.

Trinity delusion committed robbery with your Sensecheesy cheesy cheesy grin cheesy grin

Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Janosky: 10:37pm On Jul 12, 2022
Mikee19:


You don't get the folly of this sort of thinking. If can't help you maybe I'll help someone else...



So much error contained in very little sentences!

1) The apostles were inspired to carry out their duties of teaching scripture, your GB are not. Not even close. Absolutely no basis for comparison whatsoever!

2) The apostles gave scripture! Your GB CANNOT give scripture, but only interpretation. If e sure for them, if they're really comparable to the apostles, let them try it too. They cannot, yet you say you believe (with no basis) that they serve as your apostles today, when they are in no class and are no match for the actual apostles! See anybody can give wrong interpretation! Therefore you're right in admitting that by this stance you DO NOT know whether they're right or wrong:




Isn't this grand! wink


But lemme demonstrate your two-faced, double-tongued hypocritical way of thinking:

Oga, give your Scripture for others to read and study for salvation.

Man wey You know pass GB in his delusion. grin grin
Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by johnw47: 12:18am On Jul 13, 2022
MaxInDHouse:

Ọ̀DẸ̀!
Why not go straight ahead by putting it word for word?

In the beginning WAS Jesus and Jesus WAS with God and Jesus WAS God.

Then come back with your stupid trinity nonsense to convince right thinking persons that the person WITH God is the same God! cheesy

In the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS with God and the word WAS:
~a god
~godlike
~divine all makes sense but the word was God sounds really hilarious! cheesy

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

false jw mad max
@bold, yet you said was God is correct:

MaxInDHouse:

So Jesus is not our God rather he served as God at a point in time PAST just the same way Moses served as God that's why John 1:1 used the PAST tense WAS God not IS God! wink

you liars are so confused and so dum, aren't you:

1 cor 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

MaxInDHouse:
So if you want to keep that nonsense no wahala Jesus has clarified issues by saying we should observe the FRUIT of each religion. Matthew 7:16-18

Go out there and boast of the fruit of your religion as noticeable globally! Matthew 5:14-16

You stupid Deeperlifer! grin

@bold, of course you people of the devil are forever fearfully paranoid and forever the liars:

paranoia is fear
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by johnw47: 1:31am On Jul 13, 2022
MaxInDHouse:

So when JEHOVAH said he made Moses God to Pharaoh {Exodus 7:1} wink

job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at


false jw mad max

you say Jesus was God like moses was God

well of course God never made moses God
but God made moses "like God" to pharaoh or "seem like God" to pharoah

Exo 7:1  And the LORD said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh,

Exo 7:1  Then the LORD said to Moses, “Pay close attention to this. I will make you seem like God to Pharaoh


you frauds don't know God's word and teach your lies all over the place:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:17am On Jul 13, 2022
Janosky:

Oga, give your Scripture for others to read and study for salvation.
Man wey You know pass GB in his delusion. grin grin

Don't mind the Mikee19 guy, he's a coward who has been running away from the truth for sometime now but with the support of other misinformed churchgoers he now has the impetus to say what he's been harboring in his mind even though he still that something strange is happening.
Well i've always been straightforward with him so it's either he's on the side of the truth or he goes back to the broad road where they can believe anything in Jesus name and nobody questions anybody! Matthew 7:13-14 wink

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Janosky: 10:04pm On Jul 13, 2022
MaxInDHouse:

Only one person was with God in the beginning {Proverbs 8:22; John 1:1} but all others came through the handiwork of the firstborn of all creations! Colossians 1:15-16 compare to Proverbs 8:30

So those elders are angels closer to God than the rest! Luke 1:19
Hebrews 1:2, apostle Paul confirm that.

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Janosky: 10:16pm On Jul 13, 2022
johnw47:


job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at


false jw mad max

you say Jesus was God like moses was God

well of course God never made moses God
but God made moses "like God" to pharaoh or "seem like God" to pharoah

Exo 7:1  And the LORD said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh,

Exo 7:1  Then the LORD said to Moses, “Pay close attention to this. I will make you seem like God to Pharaoh


you frauds don't know God's word and teach your lies all over the place:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Was Exodus 7:1 & 4:16 written today?
Did the events in both verses happen now?
No !

Moses was God long time ago.
Moses & Aaron had divine powers long time ago.
Therefore, Moses was a god.
Aaron was a god.
The screenshot is correct.

Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Janosky: 10:19pm On Jul 13, 2022
Emusan:


No where the word "ALL OTHERS" appear in any of the cited verses Prov 8:22, John 1:1, Col 1:15-16, Prov 8:30.

So where did you see that?

Emusan hypocrite,Where did your Trinity mentors see "WHO IS HIMSELF God" @ John 1:18?

Why did your Trinity mentors shift the same goal post of Greek "1510 2316" @ John 1:1 & Acts 28:6 & Acts 12:22?


Romans 11:35-36 & John 20:17,who came through God his Father?
In Genesis,Who came through Adam?

Romans 11:35-36 & Hebrews 1:2 CONFIRM & PROVEN that the word "ALL OTHERS" @ Colossians 1:16 is accurate.
Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by johnw47: 12:02am On Jul 14, 2022
Janosky:

Was Exodus 7:1 & 4:16 written today?
Did the events in both verses happen now?
No !

Moses was God long time ago.
Moses & Aaron had divine powers long time ago.
Therefore, Moses was a god.
Aaron was a god.
The screenshot is correct.

oh duh lost fraud jw janosky

@bold, moses wasn't God and God never made moses God
God made moses like God/seem like God, to pharaoh

Exo 7:1 And the LORD said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh,

Exo 7:1 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Pay close attention to this. I will make you seem like God to Pharaoh

you false jw's love to twist God's word to support your lies and stories

moses was just a man, a man close to God
Jesus was and is the Word of God from eternity

the Word/Jesus made man/moses

The Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is far far far Superior to moses and to any man



you say moses was "God", and then @underline, you say
moses was "a god", you r a very confused twister
and dishonest as hell:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Janosky: 9:32am On Jul 14, 2022
johnw47:


oh duh lost fraud jw janosky

@bold, moses wasn't God and God never made moses God
God made moses like God/seem like God, to pharaoh

Exo 7:1 And the LORD said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh,

Exo 7:1 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Pay close attention to this. I will make you seem like God to Pharaoh

you false jw's love to twist God's word to support your lies and stories

moses was just a man, a man close to God
Jesus was and is the Word of God from eternity

the Word/Jesus made man/moses

The Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is far far far Superior to moses and to any man



you say moses was "God", and then @underline, you say
moses was "a god", you r a very confused twister
and dishonest as hell:
Confused John W dullard no understand turenchi.
grin
Shey your Trinity mentors say "Jesus was God in essence( = divine,a god, divinity).
NOT God his Father in person"

Exodus 4:16,This Ordeh, did Jehovah make Aaron God?
Psalm 82:6 are his sons gods? Is Jesus his son?


1 Corinthians 8:4-5,Psalms 8:5,Psalm 82:6,Do you need to be told that gods in heaven (His sons) are superior to men (gods) on Earth?


The 2 screenshots PROVEN John W very dull grin grin

Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Janosky: 11:40am On Jul 14, 2022
Emusan:


In his last paragraph, he said "Moses was God to Pharaoh"

Do you believe Jesus was God to JWs? grin grin cheesy grin cheesy
"is Greek 1510 2316 "was a god"?
In the entire Bible,is Greek 1510 2316 @ Acts28:6 & John 1:1?
Yes.

"The word was a god".
The screenshots of your 3 deities PROVEN that's true.
"Was a god/divine" is the best translation of John 1:1.

Only JWs & 13 other Bible versions gave the correct rendition of Greek 1510 2316 @John1:1.

Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by johnw47: 12:02pm On Jul 14, 2022
Janosky:

Confused John W dullard no understand turenchi. grin
Shey your Trinity mentors say "Jesus was God in essence( = divine,a god, divinity).
NOT God his Father in person"
Exodus 4:16,This Ordeh, did Jehovah make Aaron God?
Psalm 82:6 are his sons gods? Is Jesus his son?
1 Corinthians 8:4-5,Psalms 8:5,Psalm 82:6,Do you need to be told that gods in heaven (His sons) are superior to men (gods) on Earth?
The 2 screenshots PROVEN John W very dull grin grin


Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


oh so confused, lost fraud jw janosky

u r running away from your lie that moses was "God":

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


and you are running from your confusion that moses was "God" and moses was "a god"

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.



Janosky post:
Moses was God long time ago.
Moses & Aaron had divine powers long time ago.
Therefore, Moses was a god.


you satan's mob are so dum, aren't you

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Emusan(m): 1:37pm On Jul 14, 2022
Janosky:

"is Greek 1510 2316 "was a god"?
In the entire Bible,is Greek 1510 2316 @ Acts28:6 & John 1:1?
Yes.

"The word was a god".
The screenshots of your 3 deities PROVEN that's true.
"Was a god/divine" is the best translation of John 1:1.

Only JWs & 13 other Bible versions gave the correct rendition of Greek 1510 2316 @John1:1.

Olodo.....so you didn't read that part in his post before you rush to agree with it cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin grin

Your deluded brother post is still there

Jesus is God to JWs cheesy grin cheesy grin
Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Emusan(m): 1:43pm On Jul 14, 2022
Janosky:
Emusan hypocrite,Where did your Trinity mentors see "WHO IS HIMSELF God" @ John 1:18?

So you agree both JWs and Trinity mentors inserted word into God's Word cheesy grin cheesy grin grin

Why did your Trinity mentors shift the same goal post of Greek "1510 2316" @ John 1:1 & Acts 28:6 & Acts 12:22?

That's why Watchtower has to revenge by inserting their own fraud into God's Word

That's wonderful.

Romans 11:35-36 & John 20:17,who came through God his Father?
In Genesis,Who came through Adam?

Irrelevant nonsense.

Where does the word "ALL OTHERS" appeared in those verses your lying brother put forth is the question cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Romans 11:35-36 & Hebrews 1:2 CONFIRM & PROVEN that the word "ALL OTHERS" @ Colossians 1:16 is accurate.

It's accurate yet your god and his active force forgot to inspire Paul to insert it in the original Greek not until the gods in Warwick remember him to do so cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Anyway, you proof to us that Watchtower commited fraud by inserting into NWT what was not in the original manuscripts. cheesy grin cheesy cheesy

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Emusan(m): 1:55pm On Jul 14, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
How can the one who has been in eternity be rightly called the "firstborn of all creations"? Colossians 1:15

So Jesus was not in eternity with God.

So where was Jesus before HEAVEN was created? All created being needs space to occupy

By the way, you lost Micah 5:2 in your NWT? grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Common sense should tell that the firstborn can't be excluded from the rest of creations because it's part of it.

The same common sense should have told you TWO THINGS can't be created at the same time IN THE BEGINNING.

Gen 1:1 says "IN THE BEGINNING, God created The heavens and the earth"

This is the best place God would have talked about Jesus being the first Created but yet It was HEAVENS and the EARTH that was created IN THE BEGINNING.

No wonder Jesus said to Mary Magdalene:

"I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

Of course, every good Bible students know what Jesus meant by saying that except people like you.

Jesus was created in the beginning of creation {Proverb 8:22} only God has no beginning! smiley

No! The Bible say heaven and earth were created IN THE BEGINNING not Jesus.

In fact, that very Prov 8:22 says Wisdom was POSSESSED by Jehovah before "His WORKS of OLD"

Isn't Jesus supposed to be PART of the WORKS?

DEFINITELY the wisdom predates creation and not part of creations (works)

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by houseofwind1(m): 9:24pm On Jul 14, 2022
The problem with many people is that they add to the bible in other to make a point. Did the the bible introduce Gabriel as an arch angel? Did the bible introduce Satan as an arch angel? But you've added this things by your own self. That's fine, I knew you'll never agree, I just thought to put it out there that you do not understand grammar and that's why you don't know who Michael is. Anyways bye for now. I pray the grace of God be helps you know more about what you speak of.


[1quote author=Jokerman post=114632689]

My brother.... Michael is not the only Archangel... Gabriel is an Archangel.... Lucifer was a Cherub.... now angels are classed...

Messengers
Warriors
Thrones

Arch messenger- Gabriel

Arch Warrior- Michael

Arch Cherub- Lucifer (before the fall)

The Son of God, is not the same as Archangel Michael...[/quote]
Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Jokerman(m): 10:11pm On Jul 14, 2022
houseofwind1:
The problem with many people is that they add to the bible in other to make a point. Did the the bible introduce Gabriel as an arch angel? Did the bible introduce Satan as an arch angel? But you've added this things by your own self. That's fine, I knew you'll never agree, I just thought to put it out there that you do not understand grammar and that's why you don't know who Michael is. Anyways bye for now. I pray the grace of God be helps you know more about what you speak of.


[1quote author=Jokerman post=114632689]

My brother.... Michael is not the only Archangel... Gabriel is an Archangel.... Lucifer was a Cherub.... now angels are classed...

Messengers
Warriors
Thrones

Arch messenger- Gabriel

Arch Warrior- Michael

Arch Cherub- Lucifer (before the fall)

The Son of God, is not the same as Archangel Michael...

Hope you know some books were removed from the Bible?

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Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Janosky: 11:44pm On Jul 14, 2022
Emusan:


So Jesus was not in eternity with God.

So where was Jesus before HEAVEN was created? All created being needs space to occupy

By the way, you lost Micah 5:2 in your NWT? grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
Micah 5:2
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times"
Psalm 90:2, did Jehovah God have origin?

Your Trinity mentors robbed your sense.
Emusan:


The same common sense should have told you TWO THINGS can't be created at the same time IN THE BEGINNING.

Gen 1:1 says "IN THE BEGINNING, God created The heavens and the earth"

This is the best place God would have talked about Jesus being the first Created but yet It was HEAVENS and the EARTH that was created IN THE BEGINNING.
)

Mr LIENUS,Is Genesis 1:1 the only verse and chapter in your Bible?
Revelation 3:14, Jesus Christ is the beginning of the creation by God."
The Revelation God gave Jesus, chapter 1:1.

@ Genesis 1:1 & Mark 13:19, Proverbs 8:22 does "BEGINNING" mean Originator?
Dubious men worshipping 3 deities TWISTING Revelation 3:14.

Emusan:

Of course, every good Bible students know what Jesus meant by saying that except people like you.
)
Yes!
In the spiritual realm, his Father is our Father.
His God my God (not 3 deities invented at the Council of Nicene).

Emusan:

No! The Bible say heaven and earth were created IN THE BEGINNING not Jesus.
Revelation 3:14 Jesus Christ is the BEGINNING of the creation by God, his Father.

Romans 11:35-36, did esus came through his Father?
Before (Hebrews 1:2) God made the Universe through His son.
Genesis 1:1 & Job 38:1-7,In the beginning (the spiritual realm of spirits were created first & later the earthly realm of men).


Emusan:


In fact, that very Prov 8:22 says Wisdom was POSSESSED by Jehovah before "His WORKS of OLD"

Isn't Jesus supposed to be PART of the WORKS?

DEFINITELY the wisdom predates creation and not part of creations (works)
Emusan TWISTING holy Bible

Jehovah PRODUCED ME as THE BEGINNING of His Works", accurate rendition

1Corinthians 1:24,The wisdom is the person @ Proverbs 8:22,30 called the Craftsman.
Craftsman is ALWAYS a person in your Bible?
Yes.

Proverbs 8:22, Genesis 14:19,22 God the Hebrew word (Qanah) is CREATE (screenshot evidence).

Your Trinity mentors chosed "Possess" to obscure the truth @ Proverbs 8:22, the same manner they LIED that BEGINNING is Originator @ Revelation 3:14.
Is Originator at Mark13:19, Genesis 49:3, Genesis 1:1 & Proverbs 8:22?
Dishonest slaves of Trinity GIBBERISH grin

Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by Janosky: 12:09am On Jul 15, 2022
Emusan:


So you agree both JWs and Trinity mentors inserted word into God's Word :

That's why Watchtower has to revenge by inserting their own fraud into God's Word

That's wonderful.
Irrelevant nonsense.

Emusan mumu argument.
Hebrews 1:2 & Colossians 1:16,did Jesus the son create his Father?
Not at all.
"ALL Other things" came through the son, @Colossians 1:16.

Emusan:

Where does the word "ALL OTHERS" appeared in those verses your lying brother put forth is the question
It's accurate yet your god and his active force forgot to inspire Paul to insert it in the original Greek not until the gods in Warwick remember him to do so
Emusan mumu , Luke was inspired to write God at Acts 12:22 & Acts 28:6,yet your Trinity mentors placed "a god" there.
Your comprehension skills very dull. cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Emusan:

Anyway, you proof to us that Watchtower commited fraud by inserting into NWT what was not in the original manuscripts. cheesy grin cheesy cheesy
Emusan LIENUS
Re: The Son Is Superior To Angels by houseofwind1(m): 5:01am On Jul 15, 2022
The bible is complete, but if you like you'll be looking for other books and that's how you'll get confused and lost. God has already made provisions for his children so the books is perfect the way it's.

Jokerman:


Hope you know some books were removed from the Bible?

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