obaaderemi:
What is really wrong with Africa?
Why is it easy for you to consider voting in old spent politicians who are not in tune with the times against younger and more savvy politicians?

We don't have the luxury of putting in power people like sleepy Joe in this part of the world.
No wonder Africa is a mess.

In total agreement

obaaderemi:
What is really wrong with Africa?
Why is it easy for you to consider voting in old spent politicians who are not in tune with the times against younger and more savvy politicians?

We don't have the luxury of putting in power people like sleepy Joe in this part of the world.
No wonder Africa is a mess.

Our best best president ever is Kibaki who was elderly, we choose our leaders looking at their history not propaganda and insults ...the problem with africa is bad leadership led by greedy selfish individuals like our DP who will definitely be the next opposition leader

You want us to have the most corrupt man in africa for president just because he is young ?

rvp20182:
At least unlike 2007 you won't come crying that you're suprised.I always try to see situation as is.I have moved my family out of Kenya because I know the beast that uhuru is waking.You don't.Next minute you will all be crying.Kalenjin don't need any support..in 1992 they kicked all tribes except for Maasai.Once kalenjin are united and have a just cause you're dead.

Kalepithecus violence would be a localized blob with zero impact on the rest of the country, nothing close to 207 when all corners of the country erupted. The govt was unprepared, no reinforcements as happens now. Since then they know anything can happen hence the massive deployment of security forces in kalejinga territory. Your people live in one tiny manyatta that can be contained with little effort. 92' Moi your fellow kalepithecus was in power I wonder what you were fighting. If you are as bad as advertised you wouldn't be so dispossesed by fellow Kenyans from all walks of life. Kikuyu people are literally overrunning your landmass despite your best efforts to route them out. 2007 you literally run mad trying to kick them out and the takeover has only accellerated. You rely too heavily on outdated prehistoric survival tactics of bows and arrows when the modern world requires brainpower. God gave you thin running legs and played hardball on IQ. Thats why culturally you influence no one in Kenya, aside from the Pokots, who have even refused to be associated with you in this election. Luos influence everyone n the western part of the country and even nationally. Kikuyus influence everyone. What about you? NO ONE!!! People just laugh at you. The best thing for you and fellow sheeple is to keep the peace and hope your thief can play his cards right going forward. The polls are being fair to him, the real gap is even worse. I keep reminding bots like you that Raila has had his votes stolen since 2007. Thats why pollsters cant get any election right. This will be the first election where his true numbers will be allowed to show. David Murathe confirmed as much same with Moses Kuria. Raila is the owner of numbers. Everybody else is a pretender. Not even Uhuru can marshall the numbers he boasts. The shock that awaits Ulliam is massive! Dont also put Uhuruto votes in the bag because they arent one n the same. Premium tears loading. By wednesday you will be on the verge of suicide.

We got 72hrs to election - and then Kalenjin once again sit on your for 10yrs - min - but 25yrs - like Moi did - is very possible as demographics are changing- and most of you are yet to recover. Luo influence who? Most of you guys are farm hands in our farms Almost every household where I come from - there is Luo, Gusii and Luhya we have employed to pluck our tea, till our land and do such menial jobs.

If not working hard manual labour - you're living in Nairobi, Mombasa and name every slum in Kenya.Do you see our people in slums influencing slums culture - of course not. Do you even want to compare yourselves to kalenjin who produce most of the food in kenya - if we stopped growing maize, wheat, tea, beef, sheeps, dairy, name - kenya will be on it's knees.

Only Kikuyus can speak to us - and I think after 2007 beating - they have accepted a power deal that will see power rotate btw Kalenjin and Kikuyu - and Uhuru is having lose bowel movements - as we speak because kikuyus are committed to the power deal.

Remove Kikuyus and Kalenjin from kenya - and you've nothing left - just bunch of tribes with half an acre of land at best, unable to feed themselves, filling up slums, and working hard menial labour for most of their lives. This is why Kalenjin and Kikuyu sat down - and realised why fight - they have done 60yrs - they can do another 60yrs together. Uhuru has tried for personal interest to undo the power pact but his people have said NO. This what this election really boils down to.

The rigging schemes, the attempted violence, so far have been nipped in the bud, and the usual suspect have booked the exit flight out of kenya. Kenya might just be lucky to escape a civil war.

Come wednesday - Ruto will begin the most painful purge on dynasties ever undertaken in kenya - Miguna Miguna will probably lead it. By then most of the cowards will be running to exile.

Then you'll once again know - like you did in Moi era - Kenya has only few men - the rest are sissies like you.

Worse case scenario - I will be watching from Europe as you get butchered.

Obiano13:

Kalepithecus violence would be a localized blob with zero impact on the rest of the country, nothing close to 207 when all corners of the country erupted. The govt was unprepared, no reinforcements as happens now. Since then they know anything can happen hence the massive deployment of security forces in kalejinga territory. Your people live in one tiny manyatta that can be contained with little effort. 92' Moi your fellow kalepithecus was in power I wonder what you were fighting. If you are as bad as advertised you wouldn't be so dispossesed by fellow Kenyans from all walks of life. Kikuyu people are literally overrunning your landmass despite your best efforts to route them out. 2007 you literally run mad trying to kick them out and the takeover has only accellerated. You rely too heavily on outdated prehistoric survival tactics of bows and arrows when the modern world requires brainpower. God gave you thin running legs and played hardball on IQ. Thats why culturally you influence no one in Kenya, aside from the Pokots, who have even refused to be associated with you in this election. Luos influence everyone n the western part of the country and even nationally. Kikuyus influence everyone. What about you? NO ONE!!! People just laugh at you. The best thing for you and fellow sheeple is to keep the peace and hope your thief can play his cards right going forward. The polls are being fair to him, the real gap is even worse. I keep reminding bots like you that Raila has had his votes stolen since 2007. Thats why pollsters cant get any election right. This will be the first election where his true numbers will be allowed to show. David Murathe confirmed as much same with Moses Kuria. Raila is the owner of numbers. Everybody else is a pretender. Not even Uhuru can marshall the numbers he boasts. The shock that awaits Ulliam is massive! Dont also put Uhuruto votes in the bag because they arent one n the same. Premium tears loading. By wednesday you will be on the verge of suicide.

Mzee, I've been reading for the past 2 days trying to clarify where exactly you're coming from.
I'm seeing what appears like straight out declarations of intent; threats and/or celebrations of violence inflicted on fellow Kenyans.
Every Kenyan here and IRL over the age of 15 knows of the terrible events that happened in the former Rift Valley. We know as far back as 1981Nandis attacked Luhyas- IIRC over 30 died in a month before things calmed down.
One of the first Molo victims in Nakuru county in 91 was actually a Kao lady, Mary Kamene, then 60. What was it all about? Why did Kenyans, Kikuyus, Kisiis, Luhyas and Luos have to suffer violence?
Especially when the multinational tea companies whose directors are directly descended from those who mass murdered the original Kipsigis and Nandis late 1890s still own over 200k acres?
Pls just make it make sense.
Thanks.

rvp2018:
We got 72hrs to election - and then Kalenjin once again sit on your for 10yrs - min - but 25yrs - like Moi did - is very possible as demographics are changing- and most of you are yet to recover. Luo influence who? Most of you guys are farm hands in our farms Almost every household where I come from - there is Luo, Gusii and Luhya we have employed to pluck our tea, till our land and do such menial jobs.

If not working hard manual labour - you're living in Nairobi, Mombasa and name every slum in Kenya.Do you see our people in slums influencing slums culture - of course not. Do you even want to compare yourselves to kalenjin who produce most of the food in kenya - if we stopped growing maize, wheat, tea, beef, sheeps, dairy, name - kenya will be on it's knees.

Only Kikuyus can speak to us - and I think after 2007 beating - they have accepted a power deal that will see power rotate btw Kalenjin and Kikuyu - and Uhuru is having lose bowel movements - as we speak because kikuyus are committed to the power deal.

Remove Kikuyus and Kalenjin from kenya - and you've nothing left - just bunch of tribes with half an acre of land at best, unable to feed themselves, filling up slums, and working hard menial labour for most of their lives. This is why Kalenjin and Kikuyu sat down - and realised why fight - they have done 60yrs - they can do another 60yrs together. Uhuru has tried for personal interest to undo the power pact but his people have said NO. This what this election really boils down to.

The rigging schemes, the attempted violence, so far have been nipped in the bud, and the usual suspect have booked the exit flight out of kenya. Kenya might just be lucky to escape a civil war.

Come wednesday - Ruto will begin the most painful purge on dynasties ever undertaken in kenya - Miguna Miguna will probably lead it. By then most of the cowards will be running to exile.

Then you'll once again know - like you did in Moi era - Kenya has only few men - the rest are sissies like you.

Worse case scenario - I will be watching from Europe as you get butchered.

I'm half Kalenjin half kikuyu and I can see anything to be proud of in being a Kalenjin.
The Kalenjin is next to Maasai and turkana when it comes to civilisation.
Despite being one of the largest tribes 98% of them have never been out of their five counties.

There's no reason to support Ruto apart from tribalism

I assume you're asking me this.
There are a big distinction btw reality and intent;
The reality of our politics is ethnic; and it was always violent; even before the British arrived.
I think you're shifting the blame from politicians to someone like me who is an analyst.
It's upon you to protect yourselves from violence - like I have done - I warned guys months ago to get their passports ready to evacuate.
Dont be caught nabbing again.
I know the actors - and I know what they are capable of.
Forget about what happened in the past - focus on the future.
The immediate future is Kenya is going through a very political risk period - because of the actors - Ruto and Kalenjin will not accept a rig process without a lot of bloodshed.
I am also aware that Ruto has the backing of Uganda and South Sudan - and if he decided to real go hard - we can get a civil war.
There is nothing special about kenya - Uganda, Ethiopia, Somalia, name them - mismanage your politics - and you have war.

You should count yourself fortunate because I know the beast and I can help you understand it.

Now if you want my help to understand the geneis of violence in RV - I can help you.
1992 was Moi instigated violence - very similar to what Uhuru was trying this week - except he failed because he is a drunkard.
Moi knew the kalenjin self defense mechanism - all he needed in 1992 was to trigger violence - by burning Kalenjin houses along the borders
from Molo to Mt elgon.
Kalenjin once a war cry is sounded - respond within an hour - once they establish that indeed kalenjin have been attacked - the rules of engagement changes - it war mode.

In 1992 - I was in upper primary - I was still uncut innocent boy- one afternoon we hear this wierd wailin or cry - attack molo attack molo attack molo- that suddenly stop and is picked in the next ridge - it goes like that that - attack molo - 3 or 4 times - the first woman in a village repeat - and it stops. The next village first woman - the cry went I am told to as far as transmara - in one hour - it had covered almost 300kms - attack molo attack molo!

Immediatetly our school bell rung - we were told that school was closed until further notice - male students to walk on the right to home - female to walk on the left. Now school was half boarding - half day. I was boarding. We took like an hour to pack our stuff.

By time we are get out - the school was teeming with maybe 1,000 warriors all armed - all silent - as we waited for transport - there number had increased to cover entire school field - 10,000 men . The entire kipsigis land had mobilized thousands of warriors in an hour - all assembled at nearest village assembly point...schools then...village joint next village..next school.The they began treking through Mau forest to get to Nakuru...as we heading home. That was longest file of people I had ever seen in my life all armed to the teeth - all dressed now in shukas.

The rest of people who are not in warrior class - cook food and leave on the road. Nobody speaks or say anything. It total silences - as war is on. The following morning - there was thousands of cows, bicycles, name it - out of the forest - I can imagine destruction visited on Molo that day was huge.

You need to understand kalenjin war infrastructure is unlike anything you've seen. It the total mobilization of all warrior class - 15yrs each - 15-35yrs old - in shortest possible time - you dont want to wake that monster or worse arm it.

Rarely have kalenjin been united - many subtribes - rarely are threat seen as that huge. Ruto and Moi were first to unite them.Ruto has united them in a cause - and I am afraid Ruto is so ambitious he could do the worse - which to arm kalenjin with guns.

That will be the END OF KENYA as we know.

Ruto has a huge leverage because he knows at sound of his cry - a million in my estimate warriors will be available for war - in all corners of kalenjin land. Now it depends on him - if he arms them - kenya is gone!

Dont be found nabbing - dont buy into propaganda that Kalenjin were assisted by Moi or police or planned or trained. Kalenjin have incredible traditional war infrastructure like no one in East Africa. This exist by default - and is watered every year - by training of new warriors - in peace or war - and sit there just waiting for a war cry. Ruto hold all the cards now.

Biggest advantage is the numbers that can be raised in shortest possible time....other communities will struggle to convince people to join war...kalenjin at sound of war cry saying ATTACK XYZ - will all respond - and descend on XYZ immediately - questions asked later.

kikuyu1:
Mzee, I've been reading for the past 2 days trying to clarify where exactly you're coming from.
I'm seeing what appears like straight out declarations of intent; threats and/or celebrations of violence inflicted on fellow Kenyans.
Every Kenyan here and IRL over the age of 15 knows of the terrible events that happened in the former Rift Valley. We know as far back as 1981Nandis attacked Luhyas- IIRC over 30 died in a month before things calmed down.
One of the first Molo victims in Nakuru county in 91 was actually a Kao lady, Mary Kamene, then 60. What was it all about? Why did Kenyans, Kikuyus, Kisiis, Luhyas and Luos have to suffer violence?
Especially when the multinational tea companies whose directors are directly descended from those who mass murdered the original Kipsigis and Nandis late 1890s still own over 200k acres?
Pls just make it make sense.
Thanks.

Maybe you're half pokot or tugen. Otherwise where I come from - we have always been one richest kenyan tribes. Kipsigis, Nandis and Keiyo definitely feed kenya.

StivoH2022:


I'm half Kalenjin half kikuyu and I can see anything to be proud of in being a Kalenjin.
The Kalenjin is next to Maasai and turkana when it comes to civilisation.
Despite being one of the largest tribes 98% of them have never been out of their five counties.

There's no reason to support Ruto apart from tribalism

rvp2018:
Maybe you're half pokot or tugen. Otherwise where I come from - we have always been one richest kenyan tribes. Kipsigis, Nandis and Keiyo definitely feed kenya.

My dad is Kipsigis originally from Bomet but brought up in Lessos Nandi County....Mother from Tigoni Kiambu County.
Actually the kipsigis are the richest and more civilised.

I grew up in Uasin Gishu and Nakuru Counties, you see Kales owning a 10acre land but living 8²m thatched mud house, six indigenous malnourished cows that give him 1cup of milk per day.
....theres very high rural poverty there than can't be compared with majority of other Counties all because of culture and laziness.
...apart from Nandi Hills where there's tea,what else comes from Nandi and Keiyo that has impact on other parts Kenya?

StivoH2022:


My dad is Kipsigis originally from Bomet but brought up in Lessos Nandi County....Mother from Tigoni Kiambu County.
Actually the kipsigis are the richest and more civilised.

I grew up in Uasin Gishu and Nakuru Counties, you see Kales owning a 10acre land but living 8²m thatched mud house, six indigenous malnourished cows that give him 1cup of milk per day.
....theres very high rural poverty there than can't be compared with majority of other Counties all because of culture and laziness.
...apart from Nandi Hills where there's tea,what else comes from Nandi and Keiyo that has impact on other parts Kenya?

kalenjin are not ostentatious people.. poverty you see in slums and in out migration to provide labour...this still rare in kalenjin land because commercial farming still make enough money to sustain them.The rest of Kenya it's a quarter of an acre per person..not enough to live on without selling your labour .The maize,wheat,barley, potatoes you feed on come from where exactly if not kalenjin land mostly...even in tranzoia luhya live in plots while kalenjin own big farms

StivoH2022:


Our best best president ever is Kibaki who was elderly, we choose our leaders looking at their history not propaganda and insults ...the problem with africa is bad leadership led by greedy selfish individuals like our DP who will definitely be the next opposition leader

You want us to have the most corrupt man in africa for president just because he is young ?

I'm telling you this because we've been there. We threw out a president Jonathan who grew Nigeria's economy, kept petroleum products prices down and ensured food was cheap. We brought in an aged Buhari in the name of anti- corruption. Now the economy has taken a tailspin the kind of which we have never experienced even in the worst of military rule.

This old people don't understand the new realities when it comes to modern economy. And by nature they're stubborn and inflexible, thinking they know more than everyone else.
They're old and lazy and often do not understand the role of fiery nationalism in modern natiion building.

rvp20182:
kalenjin are not ostentatious people.. poverty you see in slums and in out migration to provide labour...this still rare in kalenjin land because commercial farming still make enough money to sustain them.The rest of Kenya it's a quarter of an acre per person..not enough to live on without selling your labour .The maize,wheat,barley, potatoes you feed on come from where exactly if not kalenjin land mostly...even in tranzoia luhya live in plots while kalenjin own big farms

Most are inherited land of which they're not utilised....or the kalenjin rent it out to Kikuyus and that's one of the reasons why Kalenjin are always bitter with Kikuyus,just jealousy.
You'll find a kalenjin owning a 30acre but goes to buy vegetables to a kikuyu who owns a 50/100 plot...
And check the kind of houses there...those are slums in the village ...that's poverty.

I know Uasin Gishu and Tranzoia produce allot of maize, but it's not profitable

obaaderemi:
I'm telling you this because we've been there. We threw out a president Jonathan who grew Nigeria's economy, kept petroleum products prices down and ensured food was cheap. We brought in an aged Buhari in the name of anti- corruption. Now the economy has taken a tailspin the kind of which we have never experienced even in the worst of military rule.

This old people don't understand the new realities when it comes to modern economy. And by nature they're stubborn and inflexible, thinking they know more than everyone else.
They're old and lazy and often do not understand the role of fiery nationalism in modern natiion building.

That's Buhari and Jonathan for you...for us we're comparing an old man with positive history vs a thief with nothing but evil history and evil intentions

Rafiki I know this election season can be tense and emotional, but you and your fellow Kenyan compatriots should tone down the threats and tribal rhetoric.

Kenya will outlive Ruto and Odinga. Don't let selfish politicians instigate people into crisis that will take generations to undo.

rvp2018:
I assume you're asking me this.
There are a big distinction btw reality and intent;
The reality of our politics is ethnic; and it was always violent; even before the British arrived.
I think you're shifting the blame from politicians to someone like me who is an analyst.
It's upon you to protect yourselves from violence - like I have done - I warned guys months ago to get their passports ready to evacuate.
Dont be caught nabbing again.
I know the actors - and I know what they are capable of.
Forget about what happened in the past - focus on the future.
The immediate future is Kenya is going through a very political risk period - because of the actors - Ruto and Kalenjin will not accept a rig process without a lot of bloodshed.
I am also aware that Ruto has the backing of Uganda and South Sudan - and if he decided to real go hard - we can get a civil war.
There is nothing special about kenya - Uganda, Ethiopia, Somalia, name them - mismanage your politics - and you have war.

You should count yourself fortunate because I know the beast and I can help you understand it.

Now if you want my help to understand the geneis of violence in RV - I can help you.
1992 was Moi instigated violence - very similar to what Uhuru was trying this week - except he failed because he is a drunkard.
Moi knew the kalenjin self defense mechanism - all he needed in 1992 was to trigger violence - by burning Kalenjin houses along the borders
from Molo to Mt elgon.
Kalenjin once a war cry is sounded - respond within an hour - once they establish that indeed kalenjin have been attacked - the rules of engagement changes - it war mode.

In 1992 - I was in upper primary - I was still uncut innocent boy- one afternoon we hear this wierd wailin or cry - attack molo attack molo attack molo- that suddenly stop and is picked in the next ridge - it goes like that that - attack molo - 3 or 4 times - the first woman in a village repeat - and it stops. The next village first woman - the cry went I am told to as far as transmara - in one hour - it had covered almost 300kms - attack molo attack molo!

Immediatetly our school bell rung - we were told that school was closed until further notice - male students to walk on the right to home - female to walk on the left. Now school was half boarding - half day. I was boarding. We took like an hour to pack our stuff.

By time we are get out - the school was teeming with maybe 1,000 warriors all armed - all silent - as we waited for transport - there number had increased to cover entire school field - 10,000 men . The entire kipsigis land had mobilized thousands of warriors in an hour - all assembled at nearest village assembly point...schools then...village joint next village..next school.The they began treking through Mau forest to get to Nakuru...as we heading home. That was longest file of people I had ever seen in my life all armed to the teeth - all dressed now in shukas.

The rest of people who are not in warrior class - cook food and leave on the road. Nobody speaks or say anything. It total silences - as war is on. The following morning - there was thousands of cows, bicycles, name it - out of the forest - I can imagine destruction visited on Molo that day was huge.

You need to understand kalenjin war infrastructure is unlike anything you've seen. It the total mobilization of all warrior class - 15yrs each - 15-35yrs old - in shortest possible time - you dont want to wake that monster or worse arm it.

Rarely have kalenjin been united - many subtribes - rarely are threat seen as that huge. Ruto and Moi were first to unite them.Ruto has united them in a cause - and I am afraid Ruto is so ambitious he could do the worse - which to arm kalenjin with guns.

That will be the END OF KENYA as we know.

Ruto has a huge leverage because he knows at sound of his cry - a million in my estimate warriors will be available for war - in all corners of kalenjin land. Now it depends on him - if he arms them - kenya is gone!

Dont be found nabbing - dont buy into propaganda that Kalenjin were assisted by Moi or police or planned or trained. Kalenjin have incredible traditional war infrastructure like no one in East Africa. This exist by default - and is watered every year - by training of new warriors - in peace or war - and sit there just waiting for a war cry. Ruto hold all the cards now.

Biggest advantage is the numbers that can be raised in shortest possible time....other communities will struggle to convince people to join war...kalenjin at sound of war cry saying ATTACK XYZ - will all respond - and descend on XYZ immediately - questions asked later.

Even so called Kibaki in kenya was an epic failure because he was too old and senile. I supported Kibaki in 1990s - and he was still okay. The kibaki of 70s and 80s was very brilliant. The one that became president gave us the worst violence - because he was not in charge. He got into bad road accident then survived two strokes - and just became an idiot who was making incoherent speeches in public. The people around him took over and made a huge mess. He got his own people - about 0.5M of them in IDP camps - send Kenya to ICC - and had to share power - and really economic growth we saw was default because Moi another old kleptomaniac had taken it to rock bottom.

Now Raila is just a disaster - he can barely stay awake - he is another Buhari - his wife Aisha and other cabals run things while he is mostly sick - and same would happen in Kenya if Raila was to win. It would be an epic disaster. In fact Uhuru and cabals think he wont last long enough - so they are backing him knowing he might even die Yardua style.

Good thing it wont happen.

obaaderemi:
I'm telling you this because we've been there. We threw out a president Jonathan who grew Nigeria's economy, kept petroleum products prices down and ensured food was cheap. We brought in an aged Buhari in the name of anti- corruption. Now the economy has taken a tailspin the kind of which we have never experienced even in the worst of military rule.

This old people don't understand the new realities when it comes to modern economy. And by nature they're stubborn and inflexible, thinking they know more than everyone else.
They're old and lazy and often do not understand the role of fiery nationalism in modern natiion building.

Kalenjin produce most surplus food and produces in kenya. The rest can barely satisfy their own consumption needs. End of story.

StivoH2022:


Most are inherited land of which they're not utilised....or the kalenjin rent it out to Kikuyus and that's one of the reasons why Kalenjin are always bitter with Kikuyus,just jealousy.
You'll find a kalenjin owning a 30acre but goes to buy vegetables to a kikuyu who owns a 50/100 plot...
And check the kind of houses there...those are slums in the village ...that's poverty.

I know Uasin Gishu and Tranzoia produce allot of maize, but it's not profitable

I have no such powers or influence. It upon the main actors with influence or power to understand that free and fair election is critical for peace in Kenya - and this month of august - can either buy us time as we deal with serious ethnic divisions or send us Ethiopia way.

chrisooblog:
Rafiki I know this election season can be tense and emotional, but you and your fellow Kenyan compatriots should tone down the threats and tribal rhetoric.

Kenya will outlive Ruto and Odinga. Don't let selfish politicians instigate people into crisis that will take generations to undo.

Oba baba I agree Buhari has been a failure in many areas, but GEJ absolutely deserved to be voted out.

Under Goodluck we enjoyed record oil prices yet he depleted our external reserves and excess crude. No reasonable infrastructure to point to.

Petrol and food prices were higher under Jonathan compared to Yar Adua.

Growth that didn't reflect much in the life of the common man.

My brother Goodlluck was a huge disappointment in many ways.

obaaderemi:
I'm telling you this because we've been there. We threw out a president Jonathan who grew Nigeria's economy, kept petroleum products prices down and ensured food was cheap. We brought in an aged Buhari in the name of anti- corruption. Now the economy has taken a tailspin the kind of which we have never experienced even in the worst of military rule.

This old people don't understand the new realities when it comes to modern economy. And by nature they're stubborn and inflexible, thinking they know more than everyone else.
They're old and lazy and often do not understand the role of fiery nationalism in modern natiion building.

rvp2018:
Even so called Kibaki in kenya was an epic failure because he was too old and senile. I supported Kibaki in 1990s - and he was still okay. The kibaki of 70s and 80s was very brilliant. The one that became president gave us the worst violence - because he was not in charge. He got into bad road accident then survived two strokes - and just became an idiot who was making incoherent speeches in public. The people around him took over and made a huge mess. He got his own people - about 0.5M of them in IDP camps - send Kenya to ICC - and had to share power - and really economic growth we saw was default because Moi another old kleptomaniac had taken it to rock bottom.

Now Raila is just a disaster - he can barely stay awake - he is another Buhari - his wife Aisha and other cabals run things while he is mostly sick - and same would happen in Kenya if Raila was to win. It would be an epic disaster. In fact Uhuru and cabals think he wont last long enough - so they are backing him knowing he might even die Yardua style.

Good thing it wont happen.

It might just happen if the opinion polls are anything to go by, and from what I read here. If you are above 70, you have no business running a country.

Bush jnr became president in his 50s when he came in in 2000. I remember how fiery he was. Same for Obama.

A nation like America may risk putting a dinosaur like Biden in office, they got all the right institutions running well. But Africa? That's a different kettle of fish. I wish your people would understand. But then, tribalism has always been a compliment to Africans. Probably you are also supporting Ruto because he is from your tribe.

Kenya opinion polls have never gotten any election or referendum right. That you can ask anyone or Mr Google. They have very bad reputation.

Ruto is head and shoulder above Raila - not only because of age - but pretty much everything else - brains, energy, managerial skills, oratory skills, leadership skills.

Moi was my tribes man and I didnt support him even a single day. Ruto was supporting Moi and our political paths met in 2005 when Kibaki had disappointed me - and we supported Raila in 2007.

I personally started noticing Ruto in 2001 - and I remember telling my college friend - this guy will become president - and I am not surprised that he just hours from becoming one. Ruto is gifted salesman or propagandist. I notice him because he was able to sell dirty very dirty Moi and convinced you....and then he sold Uhuru kenyatta..unkempty 38yr old drunkard...entire opposition had to unite otherwise KANU & Moi would still be on it.

Ruto of course has gone on to sell many things - the most outstanding was selling their join ticket while both were under trial at ICC for crimes against humanity. The Western countries are still dazed. They gave up on influencing kenya politics that day unable to countanance how people can elect indicted suspect out of bail in most serious criminal court facing trial on charges similar to genocide. Ruto just turned the narrative 360 degrees.

Now this election - he has started a class war essentially btw the poor - and rich political families - although he himself is very rich. That Hustler Revolution long caught fire - and is carrying him to statehouse.

Raila has absolutely no chance against Ruto - who is a political beast at his prime. Ruto will nick at his 1st try aged 55yrs against combined mighty of gov and opposition because he works incredibly hard and smart.

obaaderemi:
It might just happen if the opinion polls are anything to go by, and from what I read here. If you are above 70, you have no business running a country.

Bush jnr became president in his 50s when he came in in 2000. I remember how fiery he was. Same for Obama.

A nation like America may risk putting a dinosaur like Biden in office, they got all the right institutions running well. But Africa? That's a different kettle of fish. I wish your people would understand. But then, tribalism has always been a compliment to Africans. Probably you are also supporting Ruto because he is from your tribe.

rvp2018:
Kenya opinion polls have never gotten any election or referendum right. That you can ask anyone or Mr Google. They have very bad reputation.

Ruto is head and shoulder above Raila - not only because of age - but pretty much everything else - brains, energy, managerial skills, oratory skills, leadership skills.

Moi was my tribes man and I didnt support him even a single day. Ruto was supporting Moi and our political paths met in 2005 when Kibaki had disappointed me - and we supported Raila in 2007.

I personally started noticing Ruto in 2001 - and I remember telling my college friend - this guy will become president - and I am not surprised that he just hours from becoming one. Ruto is gifted salesman or propagandist. I notice him because he was able to sell dirty very dirty Moi and convinced you....and then he sold Uhuru kenyatta..unkempty 38yr old drunkard...entire opposition had to unite otherwise KANU & Moi would still be on it.

Ruto of course has gone on to sell many things - the most outstanding was selling their join ticket while both were under trial at ICC for crimes against humanity. The Western countries are still dazed. They gave up on influencing kenya politics that day unable to countanance how people can elect people out of bail in most serious criminal court facing genocide crimes. Ruto just turned the narrative 360 degrees.

Now this election - he has started a class war essentially btw the poor - and rich political families - although he himself is very rich. That Hustler Revolution long caught fire - and is carrying him to statehouse.

Raila has absolutely no chance against Ruto - who is a political beast at his prime. Ruto will nick at his 1st term aged 55yrs against combined mighty of gov and opposition because he works incredibly hard and smart.

I just can't imagine myself voting for a candidate in their 70s and above. It doesn't make sense. Buhari has shown us how stupid that is. The first thing on their mind is their health. I work with old people around me and the number one thing they think about is their health. They don't care about how smoothly things run as much as their health. When I tell people this, it's from experience. You see them reminiscing about past glory and such. These are people who used to be very brilliant. But I can see clearly how dangerous it is to let them run things. In fact I run things for some of them even without their knowledge. They're not in control. And it's easy to exploit them based on their whims and caprices. I repeat, anyone above 70 is not fit to run a country.

rvp2018:
I assume you're asking me this.
There are a big distinction btw reality and intent;
The reality of our politics is ethnic; and it was always violent; even before the British arrived.
I think you're shifting the blame from politicians to someone like me who is an analyst.
It's upon you to protect yourselves from violence - like I have done - I warned guys months ago to get their passports ready to evacuate.
Dont be caught nabbing again.
I know the actors - and I know what they are capable of.
Forget about what happened in the past - focus on the future.
The immediate future is Kenya is going through a very political risk period - because of the actors - Ruto and Kalenjin will not accept a rig process without a lot of bloodshed.
I am also aware that Ruto has the backing of Uganda and South Sudan - and if he decided to real go hard - we can get a civil war.
There is nothing special about kenya - Uganda, Ethiopia, Somalia, name them - mismanage your politics - and you have war.

You should count yourself fortunate because I know the beast and I can help you understand it.

Now if you want my help to understand the geneis of violence in RV - I can help you.
1992 was Moi instigated violence - very similar to what Uhuru was trying this week - except he failed because he is a drunkard.
Moi knew the kalenjin self defense mechanism - all he needed in 1992 was to trigger violence - by burning Kalenjin houses along the borders
from Molo to Mt elgon.
Kalenjin once a war cry is sounded - respond within an hour - once they establish that indeed kalenjin have been attacked - the rules of engagement changes - it war mode.

In 1992 - I was in upper primary - I was still uncut innocent boy- one afternoon we hear this wierd wailin or cry - attack molo attack molo attack molo- that suddenly stop and is picked in the next ridge - it goes like that that - attack molo - 3 or 4 times - the first woman in a village repeat - and it stops. The next village first woman - the cry went I am told to as far as transmara - in one hour - it had covered almost 300kms - attack molo attack molo!

Immediatetly our school bell rung - we were told that school was closed until further notice - male students to walk on the right to home - female to walk on the left. Now school was half boarding - half day. I was boarding. We took like an hour to pack our stuff.

By time we are get out - the school was teeming with maybe 1,000 warriors all armed - all silent - as we waited for transport - there number had increased to cover entire school field - 10,000 men . The entire kipsigis land had mobilized thousands of warriors in an hour - all assembled at nearest village assembly point...schools then...village joint next village..next school.The they began treking through Mau forest to get to Nakuru...as we heading home. That was longest file of people I had ever seen in my life all armed to the teeth - all dressed now in shukas.

The rest of people who are not in warrior class - cook food and leave on the road. Nobody speaks or say anything. It total silences - as war is on. The following morning - there was thousands of cows, bicycles, name it - out of the forest - I can imagine destruction visited on Molo that day was huge.

You need to understand kalenjin war infrastructure is unlike anything you've seen. It the total mobilization of all warrior class - 15yrs each - 15-35yrs old - in shortest possible time - you dont want to wake that monster or worse arm it.

Rarely have kalenjin been united - many subtribes - rarely are threat seen as that huge. Ruto and Moi were first to unite them.Ruto has united them in a cause - and I am afraid Ruto is so ambitious he could do the worse - which to arm kalenjin with guns.

That will be the END OF KENYA as we know.

Ruto has a huge leverage because he knows at sound of his cry - a million in my estimate warriors will be available for war - in all corners of kalenjin land. Now it depends on him - if he arms them - kenya is gone!

Dont be found nabbing - dont buy into propaganda that Kalenjin were assisted by Moi or police or planned or trained. Kalenjin have incredible traditional war infrastructure like no one in East Africa. This exist by default - and is watered every year - by training of new warriors - in peace or war - and sit there just waiting for a war cry. Ruto hold all the cards now.

Biggest advantage is the numbers that can be raised in shortest possible time....other communities will struggle to convince people to join war...kalenjin at sound of war cry saying ATTACK XYZ - will all respond - and descend on XYZ immediately - questions asked later.

Seems like you want war or something � �
Most Kalenjins are just like Kenyan Somalis who pretend that they are against terrorism while they enjoy inside them...this is one of the reasons while Ruto should/will not be the president until he matures

Most Kalenjins have nothing to lose since almost all of them are in their native place...but the question is who are you going to attack if not Kikuyus

2007 you had a backup of Luos and almost all other tribes that's even the police took sides...this time don't dare

Personally I dont want war. In 2007 - I spent all the time escaping and hidding from being conscripted to fight in that violence. They were people moving house to house checking to see if anybody had remained at home who should be out fighting - if you ageset was active warrior group. Eventually I was evacuated by my employer after they charted a flight. Learn from 2007 and never allow yourself to be caught on the offside.

Again you need to understand Kalenjin are not folks who fear war with anybody. Not even the police. In 2007 all prov adminstration were destroyed - some DOS and Chief killed - policemen too.

So you're right Kalenjin, Somalis and Maasai have the same mentality - they are warlike - meaning they see war or fighting as normal activity - in fact before arrival of Brits - a kalenjin man did nothing except fight, go raid for cattle - and all that - when they were active warrior group - so taking war to them is just going back to way things were before the British civilization.

Maasai have Morans, Kalenjin Murenik, Somalis Mooryan. The same word. This specialization of having a standing military ageset.

I suggest you familiraize yourselves with 1992 - Kalenjin attacked Luo, kikuyus, Gusii and Luhyas simultaneously. Luos are very smart of all tribes - they normally the first to raise white flag and havent been massacred in any number. They know the ferocity of kalenjin and will never allow a war with kalenjin to last a day.

In 1992..I was young - I use to listen to BBC radio then - there was nothing on KBC then - it would be "Kabila la ndogo la Moi versus other tribes".

StivoH2022:


Seems like you want war or something � �
Most Kalenjins are just like Kenyan Somalis who pretend that they are against terrorism while they enjoy inside them...this is one of the reasons while Ruto should/will not be the president until he matures

Most Kalenjins have nothing to lose since almost all of them are in their native place...but the question is who are you going to attack if not Kikuyus

2007 you had a backup of Luos and almost all other tribes that's even the police took sides...this time don't dare

landnone:
So you guys are happily discussing violence?really?and 5 kids were burnt through the same violence the other day.....You guys can do better than this you are disgusting

Thank you....

I can't believe, people are openly advocating for violence over an election..

Just40:
Thank you....

I can't believe, people are openly advocating for violence over an election..

That was how Rwanda genocide started.

I don't how it works in Kenya, but never underestimate the power of the government in control to mess things up especially if they don't like you.

The fact that he doesn't have the backing of Uhuru means Ruto will probably be fighting the toughest battle he's ever had to face.

rvp2018:
Kenya opinion polls have never gotten any election or referendum right. That you can ask anyone or Mr Google. They have very bad reputation.

Ruto is head and shoulder above Raila - not only because of age - but pretty much everything else - brains, energy, managerial skills, oratory skills, leadership skills.

Moi was my tribes man and I didnt support him even a single day. Ruto was supporting Moi and our political paths met in 2005 when Kibaki had disappointed me - and we supported Raila in 2007.

I personally started noticing Ruto in 2001 - and I remember telling my college friend - this guy will become president - and I am not surprised that he just hours from becoming one. Ruto is gifted salesman or propagandist. I notice him because he was able to sell dirty very dirty Moi and convinced you....and then he sold Uhuru kenyatta..unkempty 38yr old drunkard...entire opposition had to unite otherwise KANU & Moi would still be on it.

Ruto of course has gone on to sell many things - the most outstanding was selling their join ticket while both were under trial at ICC for crimes against humanity. The Western countries are still dazed. They gave up on influencing kenya politics that day unable to countanance how people can elect indicted suspect out of bail in most serious criminal court facing trial on charges similar to genocide. Ruto just turned the narrative 360 degrees.

Now this election - he has started a class war essentially btw the poor - and rich political families - although he himself is very rich. That Hustler Revolution long caught fire - and is carrying him to statehouse.

Raila has absolutely no chance against Ruto - who is a political beast at his prime. Ruto will nick at his 1st try aged 55yrs against combined mighty of gov and opposition because he works incredibly hard and smart.

Ghanian Justice Akilano Molade Akiwumi. was appointed to probe 1992 tribal clashes. Apparently no lessons were learnt. 2007 happened - another commission Waki - and then International Criminal Court - and now in 2022 - we are trudging along to civil war because the GOV of Kenya is irresponsibly playing with election against a community that are like Somalis - and will fight you.

All I do is provide people with early warning so they are aware of the upheavals.

Just40:
Thank you....

I can't believe, people are openly advocating for violence over an election..

obaaderemi:
That was how Rwanda genocide started.

it's beyond me that grown ups who should know better are being so tribal

Charlee I had already posted something similar this morning. Didn't the last crisis they had in 2007 teach them anything?

Just40:
Thank you....

I can't believe, people are openly advocating for violence over an election..

rvp2018:
Ghanian Justice Akilano Molade Akiwumi. was appointed to probe 1992 tribal clashes. Apparently no lessons were learnt. 2007 happened - another commission Waki - and then International Criminal Court - and now in 2022 - we are trudging along to civil war because the GOV of Kenya is irresponsibly playing with election against a community that are like Somalis - and will fight you.

All I do is provide people with early warning so they are aware of the upheavals.

Politicians never learn from anything... Citizens are the ones who create the atmosphere for politicians to learn.

chrisooblog:
Charlee I had already posted something similar this morning. Didn't the last crisis they had in 2007 teach them anything?

I thought it did but it seem not