CaptMarvel:

stay away frm this thread! Ur comment is not needed here

Templee333:
I'm not blaming anyone 4 any problem,i'm telling a story 4 who cares 2 read. U can't have a clearer picture of a person u've never met in real life so how comes u know my problems & motive?
That aside,ur post on the link above is quite educative & i love it. By the way,if u feel that i'm spreading wrong information,pls point it out & i will gladly accept ur correct info. Thanks @chieveboy

No problems at all. It pays to know more about this Eckankar. I found it here on Nairaland and never want to look back .

I said I know your problem because I followed your earlier post about OOO. I have had my fair share on a miserable life and adding it to going to such places. Double misery it became.

chieveboy:


No problems at all. It pays to know more about this Eckankar. I found it here on Nairaland and never want to look back .

I said I know your problem because I followed your earlier post about OOO. I have had my fair share on a miserable life and adding it to going to such places. Double misery it became.

now if u say my information on this thread is wrong,please point the wrong ones out & correct them here 4 all to see.

Nebes:


I didn't expect to laugh but your last paragraph truly cracked me up. Thanks for the laugh.

Actually he needed to have done that

Templee333:

now if u say my information on this thread is wrong,please point the wrong ones out & correct them here 4 all to see.

This may distract you or seem like I am trying to gag you. Please feel free to air your views.

The reason I said I knew your problem was in view of those views I said were incorrect. It shows you didn't learn much. The most crucial you learnt which is singing of Hu, you didn't do it with love for God or diligently as recommended. It's supposed to give you results. It is not an item of Eckankar. Muslims and many other tribes and religions sing it.

Success relies largely on your effort in Eck. So much to learn and know bro.

chieveboy:


This may distract you or seem like I am trying to gag you. Please feel free to air your views.

The reason I said I knew your problem was in view of those views I said we're incorrect. It shows you didn't learn much. The most crucial you learnt which is singing of Hu, you didn't do it with love for God or diligently as recommended. It's supposed to give you results. It is not an item of Eckankar. Muslims and many other tribes and religions sing it.

Success relies largely on your effort in Eck. So much to learn and know bro.

all u said above would be ok if not for the lines: "u didn't do it with love...recommended".
Sory i have 2 ask u this,How do u knw my motives & thoughts?

MONEY RITUALS IN ECKANKAR?
There'r so many rumours abt eckankar.One of this is that eckankar is a money ritual society.I was told dat eckists kill their family members 4 money rituals & drink blood. In the eck centre,i knew eckists who were still strugling financially & some who were doing well. But i didnt knw any dat was extremely rich. I didnt get a hint abt blood money in their teaching. We were told that one's status in life depends on his past actions (in present & past lives), & dat any who wants to be rich must work hard. But when people relate stories of eckists making blood money & tormenting family members, stealing their destinies & bla bla bla, i doubt these stories. However, i feel that eckists are secretive in some matters. They didn't tell us new comers abt initiations,how & why it is done...LATER

Templee333:

all u said above would be ok if not for the lines: "u didn't do it with love...recommended".
Sory i have 2 ask u this,How do u knw my motives & thoughts?

Like I mentioned elsewhere to you, "the apple does not fall far from the tree".

When you get results with the HU, you are at home finally with God within you. You are contented, happy and feel secure, this is not contentment by faith as in the case of the religion with nothing to show for it.

You run not after God of Men for help or complaining that you are experiencing nothing and your throat may break down.

When you sing it with love and feel or sense the ECK, love and sweetness will fill you up that you can't wait to do it again. You may experience light in your spiritual eye and hear the music of God. Mozart the deaf composer hears this music and whatever he was able to put on paper was called and hailed a classic despite the fact that what made its way to paper was a mundane version of what he heard.

This is what it means to experience God first hand rather than reading or hearing about it. Healing, Soul Travel, clear mind (intelligence), joy are after-effects of hearing and seeing this light. If you wonder what the fuss is about seeing the light and hearing the sound is, then these are the mundane effects of it.

This Sound and Light is not a reserve of Eckists. Any one regardless of faith in God or lack of it can hear and see it. Intelligence, etc are but the many ways it manifests and works in all living things. When people see light, hear the sound or experience both, they are experiencing it in it's purer form.

Not everyone can withstand the Holy Spirit in it's purer form. This is why you are asked to sing HU for maximum of 30min max. Repeat again daily to gain in stamina. A little flash of it can leave you sleepless for days, worse IF you are not ready and prepared for it. Conversely, it can make you spiritually great.

Also note removing all your problems with one fell swoop may send you rolling off balance (to put it mildly). So many things we ask that we are not ready for practically.

"Eckankar" translates to "Path of the Holy Spirit". It is where you eat bones and not live on milk of scriptures, beliefs, dogmas and creeds and so on.

Templee333:
MONEY RITUALS IN ECKANKAR?
There'r so many rumours abt eckankar.One of this is that eckankar is a money ritual society.I was told dat eckists kill their family members 4 money rituals & drink blood. In the eck centre,i knew eckists who were still strugling financially & some who were doing well. But i didnt knw any dat was extremely rich. I didnt get a hint abt blood money in their teaching. We were told that one's status in life depends on his past actions (in present & past lives), & dat any who wants to be rich must work hard. But when people relate stories of eckists making blood money & tormenting family members, stealing their destinies & bla bla bla, i doubt these stories. However, i feel that eckists are secretive in some matters. They didn't tell us new comers abt initiations,how & why it is done...LATER

Information about Eck initiations are presented on a public platform--a website

https://www.eckankar.org/engage/advanced-spiritual-living/eck-initations/

Temple333. Your hunger and taste is a search for divinity. And when I say divinity, I mean the true God. You long for deep fellowship with God and you want to walk in spiritual mysteries. I have longed for such before and I still long and hunger for it. But I tell you, you can find such in Jesus Christ. He is the head of all powers and rulers. He is God the son, in him you will find satisfaction for your soul. Read the Book of John, Genesis, and Job for a new start. And I recommend Apostle Arome Osayi, Pastor John Anosike, Apostle Mike Orokpo messages for a new start.

Templee333:
SOME SIMILARITIES WITH BCS
(1)love as the central teaching,
(2)reincarnation & karma,
(3)respect for all lives including animals,
(4)abstinence from alcohol & smoking is recomended but not forced,
DIFFERENCES
(1)BCS use bible while eckist use shariyat-ki-sugmad as Scripture.
(2)BCS wear white garment while Eckists have no specific uniform.
(3)BCS recomend monogamy but Eckists doesn't interfere in ur choice of marriage.
ALTOGETHER, eckankar gives more freedom to their members than BCS.

These are FAQs on Eckankar vs answers:

https://www.eckankar.org/explore/faqs/

Cheers!

Mystery9:
Temple333. Your hunger and taste is a search for divinity. And when I say divinity, I mean the true God. You long for deep fellowship with God and you want to walk in spiritual mysteries. I have longed for such before and I still long and hunger for it. But I tell you, you can find such in Jesus Christ. He is the head of all powers and rulers. He is God the son, in him you will find satisfaction for your soul. Read the Book of John, Genesis, and Job for a new start. And I recommend Apostle Arome Osayi, Pastor John Anosike, Apostle Mike Orokpo messages for a new start.

thank u sir

chieveboy:


These are FAQs on Eckankar vs answers:

https://www.eckankar.org/explore/faqs/

Cheers!

i've checked the above but will like 2 ask u, do eckists who fail to renew their membership continue 2 receive their 2nd,3rd,4th...initiations?

I GOT INTO TROUBLE
I was into the hu singing habit 4 sometimes.Now this's the problem: i shared a room with my younger sister. I didnt want her 2 knw dat i had something 2 do with eckankar,so i'll go outside early morning 2 sing hu. One morning while i was singing,a man opposite the compound heard me after sometimes he went inside & came out with another man. But by then i'd keep quiet. A few days later it was knwn 2 people in the compound dat i'm a ritualist! The man who saw me said he caught me red handed making incantations!He made his children stay away frm me. When i told these 2 d eckists,they said i should continue singing hu, Its the solutn 2 every problem!

Templee333:

i've checked the above but will like 2 ask u, do eckists who fail to renew their membership continue 2 receive their 2nd,3rd,4th...initiations?

Membership renewal asides the fact that it aids in providing your discourses and other publications you receive, functions as your commitment and consent to be a member of Eckankar. Consent is crucial in Eckankar in observance of spiritual law against tempering the state of consciousness of anyone without their permission whether for good or bad.

You cannot receive invitations for initiation if you are not a current member as results. You however remain a registered member for up to 5 years max.

One incorrect information you states earlier is that only members benefit from the ECK or Masters. That's like putting God up for sale as done in religions. Mozart worked with Rebazar Tarz.

Rebazar Tarz for one worked with thousands of scientists and inventors responsible for bringing most of our inventions and things that uplift the human consciousness today without these scientists knowing who he was at times, and without the beneficiaries ever hearing the word "ECKANKAR".

Anyone can benefit from the masters. All they ask is a loving heart and not membership of any religion, believe in God or rightousness. Their chief goal is linking any ready soul with the divine current. This is what an initiation is. This is actually the original target of baptism till it became are useless physical ritual today.

Who is Rebazar Tarz ?

Maynman:
Who is Rebazar Tarz ?

i couldn't read ur screenshots.

Templee333:

i couldn't read ur screenshots.

You don’t need to then, continue

The last time i went 2 the eck centre,b4 my 2nd visit 2 Ambo, was a rainy Friday.There was a new person who came 2 d centre dat day.He had political aspirations & thougt eckankar could help him achieved the position he wanted. There was no class that day,only d newcomer & i was present so we talked 4 a long time. When i told him abt my journey 2 ambo he said he'd been to BCS b4.He told me abt his eckist frnd who's also a BCS,he lives in Calabar.He said the frnd had an agreement with Olumba 2 go an establish BCS in Tanzania,but the frnd didnt fulfill d commision & so Olumba constantly remind him of their agreement till today.He said the frnd had open & manage a new church of his own.That was my last time in the eck centre. I later relocated 2 a rural area & where there's no eck centre.But that's not the end of the story. I shall continue with the "wind of change temple universe" later.

GROSS & JOHNSON
some months later i had 2 think abt it again.Is eckankar realy a way to God? How do I knw if the path will lead 2 regrets & disappointment? At one point,I decided to search 4 information frm ex eckists. I came across a page that said something abt Ford Johnson,a once prominent member of Eckankar said some negative things abt the path. I was discouraged! Again,there was this man called Darwin Gross who is said to have been an eck master b4 Klemp. Gross is said to have engaged in legal battle with Klemp over leadership position in eckankar. I couldnt say much abt this issue but all i know is that ex-members of any group are more likely 2 see what active members are unable 2 see. Whatever the case,i dnt knw much abt the inner workings of eckankar. Then an ex member once posted a link to a site that showed extracts frm Mahanta transcript...

...i can't recall exactly what was written in the extracts but the idea was that there's punishment 4 members of eckankar who choose to leave the path & reject the guidance of the mahanta. The punishment is said not to be physical but in the after life where the fallen eckists would be tormented 4 rejecting the guidance of the mahanta. I need not say much abt this topic because i dnt knw if its true.But the information's revealed 2 d public by an ex eckist. If the information is true then i would say that eckankar don't open up everything to newcomers because we were told that any member who decides 2 leave eckankar can leave at anytime & will have no problem...

OPEN AIR VAHANA
There's what eckists call open air vahana.Although they say they dont make effort to win converts,they go in group to a public place & speak abt eckankar. Then there's the eckankar radio & tv broadcast. Open air vahana is not evangelism.It is not to win converts. It is to make the public hear about eckankar.The eckists in general don't try to convert people to their religion. But if they've to go all this far to make the public aware of them,then what should u call that?

It should be clear that my naration here is only "my experience",not urs or anyone else. Other people experiences will not be the same.Just as I stated earlier,I didn't create this topic to tell u that Eckankar is the wrong or right path to follow. My time with eckankar was very short,so i can't knw much abt them.Most importantly,this story will help any reader to understand my next story clearly.Anyone who read my previous story knws that my journey ended opp. Federal Neuro phsychiatic Hosp. Calabar Rd. Now u knw that I had a little knowledge abt BCS & Eckankar while I was sitting there at the roadside staring at the sign board:
"WIND OF CHANGE TEMPLE UNIVERSE",
My story shall continue in another topic:
my experience with wind of change temple universe. Meanwhile,the floor is open 2 anyone who needs to point out my lies & errors (without insult) in this thread or ask any question abt what i have said so far.

Templee333:
It should be clear that my naration here is only "my experience",not urs or anyone else. Other people experiences will not be the same.Just as I stated earlier,I didn't create this topic to tell u that Eckankar is the wrong or right path to follow. My time with eckankar was very short,so i can't knw much abt them.Most importantly,this story will help any reader to understand my next story clearly.Anyone who read my previous story knws that my journey ended opp. Federal Neuro phsychiatic Hosp. Calabar Rd. Now u knw that I had a little knowledge abt BCS & Eckankar while I was sitting there at the roadside staring at the sign board:
"WIND OF CHANGE TEMPLE UNIVERSE",
My story shall continue in another topic:
my experience with wind of change temple universe. Meanwhile,the floor is open 2 anyone who needs to point out my lies & errors (without insult) in this thread or ask any question abt what i have said so far.

I think the inner master typically let have your freedom and let you know you can follow any path you want as you said IT told you. IT knows that Soul must gain all experience necessary before they can walk the ECK path, any evangelising, cajoling, enticing, forcing or tricking is counter-productive and a breach of spiritual law.

No force however in the universe can stop the meeting of the ready Chela and the Master!

Having found ECKANKAR online (here on Nairaland), I doubt you did online research about it than I did. This is in view of hearing how "evil" ECKANKAR was way back 1999 or thereabout from two people discussing it and how to my surprise, I saw the thread about Eckankar by benodic.

I was surprised because I never expected anyone to speak about a "cult" as we were made to believe openly. To make what I heard about them back then worse, Eckankar New Nyanya center used to be located inside a lonely bush close to Abuja which confirms our suspicion of them.

You can imagine my anxiety, suspicion and all. I dug some nasty stories online about them and so on, but hey, I had met the Eck Master Gopal Das as a 9yr old, so what is this Eckankar and what are we saying here?

We did cut through the online information and negative reviews by ex Eckists, etc like knife in butter and we're grateful for the privilege. It's been 11yrs now so far and counting.


No need to "defend" or clarify any incorrect statement here. These things have their place.


Each is always given their own.

Pls,if u dont mind, i would love to hear abt how u met Gopal Das (real life or dream?), how did he look like? How exactly did it happen? Did u knw it was Gopal Das when u met him?
@chieveboy

@ Templee333

This thread is quite a beautiful narration of your journey of soul. I enjoyed every bit of it.

This is my 30th year anniversary in Eckankar and I can say I have absolutely no regrets.

I remembered the first day I walked into an ECK centre after I had combed through several religions the planet earth has to offer.

The first Eckist I met who I asked about how to become a registered member told me it was $50, I immediately turned around and started walking away but when I got to the door an inner voice told me to take another look.
I turned back and went inside and enjoyed the discussion class.
I was so poor back in those days and I kept wondering how I am going to raise the money to register.
Then I wrote a letter to Sri Harold, The Spiritual Leader of Eckankar telling him that I had no money to register and that I would like to be his student.
I was expecting to be registered free but instead I got my answer from the Inner Master who told me I was limiting myself and that $50 is nothing to soul. That all I need to do is to use my creativity and that nothing is impossible for soul.
I didn't even know what creativity was then.
I took my experience into contemplation after singing the HU and what to do and how I can use my creativity to raise the money and get myself out of poverty was shown to me.

I took action and to my greatest surprise I was able to raise far above the money for registration and my journey began in earnest.
Since then I have learnt how to tap into the creativity of soul to solve any problem confronting me.

The HU is actually the key.
Everything is within you. All that an organization can do for you is to show you how to make that inner connection with the Holy Spirit. You have to do it by yourself.

Remain blessed

Templee333:
Pls,if u dont mind, i would love to hear abt how u met Gopal Das (real life or dream?), how did he look like? How exactly did it happen? Did u knw it was Gopal Das when u met him?
@chieveboy

It was in a dream. Since I didn't know of Eckankar, I thought it was Jesus due to resemblance with images of Jesus we have today.

Back then, I used to have experiences with very bright light that sometimes makes my physical eye unable to accommodate light.

Gopal Das it turned out was actually an old friend from a past life in Egypt where he served as the Mahanta the Living Eck Master of the time.

I related it to my step mum who chided to shut up because she felt maybe I was not 'enough' to meet Jesus or maybe she thought it means I will die.

I kept that experience to myself till when of course I saw the same person in the Eckankar works. I had tried to remeet him, it didn't happen.

chieveboy:


It was in a dream. Since I didn't know of Eckankar, I thought it was Jesus due to resemblance with images of Jesus we have today.

Back then, I used to have experiences with very bright light that sometimes makes my physical eye unable to accommodate light.

Gopal Das it turned out was actually an old friend from a past life in Egypt where he served as the Mahanta the Living Eck Master of the time.

I related it to my step mum who chided to shut up because she felt maybe I was not 'enough' to meet Jesus or maybe she thought it means I will die.

I kept that experience to myself till when of course I saw the same person in the Eckankar works. I had tried to remeet him, it didn't happen.

the biggest challenge with drms is their interpretations. It can be interpreted in many ways,so many ways.

Templee333:

the biggest challenge with drms is their interpretations. It can be interpreted in many ways,so many ways.

Dream is not just a "dream", it is actually a Soul Travel (ST) experience whose memory is not clear or shrouded in symbols. You interprete the ones shrouded in symbols while you take 'as is' the ones that are not symbolic dreams. The difference between dream and Soul Travel is the level of awareness. In ST, you are aware beyond how aware you are while using your best human wakefulness.

Not every dream is meant to be interpreted. For instance, a past life recall while sleeping (in a dream) is not something you interprete. It is a recall of a memory. A dream visit to another dimension or your village also is not to be interpreted, you were simply in your village but not using one of your bodies (the human body).

For instance again, you do not interprete a physical travel for instance to your NYSC Camp and the activities you had in a state in service to your country. It is what it is--an actual event, just that this time, you were there in flesh and blood. You could decide to visit the place and have the same experience in the dream. You still do not interprete it. You were there, but on the astral counterpart of the physical NYSC Camp and PPA.

This's what i mean by interpretation-
In ur own dream,u initially thought it was Jesus,but u later knew it was Gopal Das. Now supposing u're a Muslim, won't u say it's Mohamad? or if u believe in ATR,won't u say it's ur ancestral deity?
Anyway, what u said abt dreams above is interesting. But i just don't take dreams seriously anymore. It seems to be so misleading & confusing.
@chieveboy
If any God (or any spirit) wants to communicate with me,why won't he/she/it do so directly & in a more obvious way to avoid confusion?

Templee333:
This's what i mean by interpretation-
In ur own dream,u initially thought it was Jesus,but u later knew it was Gopal Das. Now supposing u're a Muslim, won't u say it's Mohamad? or if u believe in ATR,won't u say it's ur ancestral deity?
Anyway, what u said abt dreams above is interesting. But i just don't take dreams seriously anymore. It seems to be so misleading & confusing.
@chieveboy
If any God (or any spirit) wants to communicate with me,why won't he/she/it do so directly & in a more obvious way to avoid confusion?

If you meet Rebazar Tarz or any of the other Eck Masters, you are not going to say they are Jesus or Mohammed because they do not look anything like Jesus.

Gopal Das particularly looks like Jesus, that's why people who meet him before knowing who he was assume it's Jesus due to the white man's depiction of Jesus in circulation today.

Also note that millions have met the Eck Masters physically, in dreams or near-death experiences but do not know they are actually Eck Masters or whatever Eckists refer them to.

For instance, Fubbi Quantz dictated to John the book of revelations which is today a part of the Christian Bible. He took him on a Soul Travel journey to the future. John referred to him as "one like the son of man".

chieveboy:


If you meet Rebazar Tarz or any of the other Eck Masters, you are not going to say they are Jesus or Mohammed because they do not look anything like Jesus.

Gopal Das particularly looks like Jesus, that's why people who meet him before knowing who he was assume it's Jesus due to the white man's depiction of Jesus in circulation today.

Also note that millions have met the Eck Masters physically, in dreams or near-death experiences but do not know they are actually Eck Masters or wherever Eckists refer them to. For instance, Fubbi Quantz dictated to John the book of revelations which is today a part of the Christian Bible.

did u mean the book of revelation exactly as it is in the christian Bible?