Templee333:

did u mean the book of revelation exactly as it is in the christian Bible?

Yes, but the people who combined John's work with the remaining works that made up the Bible removed some of the content because it sounded too unbelievable and crazy to them.

chieveboy:


Yes, but the people who combined John's work with the remaining works that made up the Bible removed some of the content because it sounded too unbelievable and crazy to them.

Well, it might be but i stoped taking the bible serious eversince i saw how unfit it is in our era.

Templee333:

Well, it might be but i stoped taking the bible serious eversince i saw how unfit it is in our era.

It's not entirely unfit, it is unfit if you've outgrown it. There are those coming up who will be served by it. Everything have it's place as I mentioned earlier.

Just endeavor to move higher in consciousness wherever you wish to peg your tent.

@chieveboy
Pls help to clarify these;
Who/what exactly is the mahanta? Does mahanta refer to a person (Sri Harold Klemp)? Does mahanta mean the Holy Spirit? If yes,then is the person of Klemp a holy spirit? Are all eck masters mahanta(s)? What do eckists mean when they say "mahanta consciousness"? Is mahanta a state of consciousness? Can any other person (apart frm Klemp) take the title of mahanta?

Templee333:
@chieveboy
Pls help to clarify these;
Who/what exactly is the mahanta? Does mahanta refer to a person (Sri Harold Klemp)? Does mahanta mean the Holy Spirit? If yes,then is the person of Klemp a holy spirit? Are all eck masters mahanta(s)? What do eckists mean when they say "mahanta consciousness"? Is mahanta a state of consciousness? Can any other person (apart frm Klemp) take the title of mahanta?

I will try answering it while you too will try to put this question through to the Master or whatever you believe in to answer. You can get answers regardless...


I will come in from what a state of consciousness may be. Everything is consciousness. The Sun, water, toys, food, trees, presidential position, secretaryship, words, language, letters of an alphabet, a deity, a ruler of planet, sadness, happiness, soup, Atom, Molecule, etc.

In other words, everything material and immaterial that I listed above and did not is actually a display or depiction of a certain state of consciousness at a certain level of manifestation and beyond.

The Supreme Deity in order to maintain the universes IT created uses it's 'essence' (think of this essence as ITs body) which we call ECK AKA Holy Spirit in the religions to give life and form, maintain and sustain all things.

This essence can debase, degrade, change, or morph to form certain gasses, molecules and atoms which in turn forms the galaxies, stars, Souls, ideals and ideas, A ruler of a planet or God as some Calle them, just name it. This Essence of God is consciousness and whatever is formed from that consciousness is a 'state of consciousness'.

Now, the Supreme Deity as I hinted earlier is everything consequently but not everything as it where if you go by the explanation above. You will also see that the 'Gods' which were placed on strategic points in the universes are the Supreme Deity but not it. They are functionaries placed to carry given tasks and duties.

The Supreme Deity is the Mahanta. The Mahanta or whatever name people have known IT in other religions or the past is at the top of the order of command for the Supreme Deity. Remember this too is a state of consciousness just as being a doctor is. This means all can attain this. It is actually the spiritual goal of everyone living thing you see and cannot see.

The main function of this consciousness is to be the direct functionary of the Supreme Deity above the sub deities existing on every plane of existence. The Mahanta hence is not a physical person. A Soul may wear that consciousness just as a doctor or an ant wears the respective consciousness of a doctor and an ant and the Soul is referred to a doctor or an ant. When a Soul wears the mantle of an ant to become an ant, it looks and functions as one even though it is Soul and not really an ant.

This is how the Living Eck Master Harold Klemp wears the Mahanta consciousness. He relies on the consciousness like how everyone else. This consciousness owing to it's duty and role works with the Living Eck Master of the time. You see it some times in your dream as the Living Eck Master, if you're a Muslim, it morphs into an Islamic Prophet or teacher you are comfortable with to take you a step further spiritually.

I think this is how this can be explained for now. Feel free to ask of you see something. Thanks.

Just to be sure if I got ur explanation,did u mean that everything (including dead leaves lying on the ground,water,broken bottles) is a state of consciousness. Did u also mean that the things i listed above are aware (conscious) of their existence & knw where they are? Does that imply that both living & non living things are all souls manifesting in different forms? If that's not what u meant by consciouness,pls, make it a bit clearer & easy to understand.

Templee333:
Just to be sure if I got ur explanation,did u mean that everything (including dead leaves lying on the ground,water,broken bottles) is a state of consciousness. Did u also mean that the things i listed above are aware (conscious) of their existence & knw where they are? Does that imply that both living & non living things are all souls manifesting in different forms? If that's not what u meant by consciouness,pls, make it a bit clearer & easy to understand.

Nothing exists outside consciousness and there is no 'outside'. Dead leaves are palpitating with life. They are conscious. Consciousness is merely 'pretending' to be a dead leaf. Use an ordinary microscope and it's no longer dead to your eyes which was playing tricks on you.

Sands, Stones, Waters etc are alive and conscious. Two people who come together in Matrimony do form a consciousness, likewise Churches, Schools, friends and this consciousness can take a life of its own which is fanned and given life and nourishment by the faith and beliefs of the couple, church, tribe or country etc. Nigeria apart from being a country is also a living entity by virtue of laws of physics hinted at above.

All living things are Souls down to Bacteria. Plants and minerals too are. A leaf of a plant isn't Soul more as my finger isn't. Soul though can inhabit a dead leaf and become it. In creation, only Soul can occupy same space with any thing. How IT does it is by BEing. Other superpowers of Soul are Seeing and knowing. Only Soul has this quality.

Sould exists in these forms on the physical plane: Human, Animal, Plant and Mineral in a hierarchical order of evolution with Humans being on top. If you move further up, you find the devas, gnomes, angels etc.

In that case,does the living eck master know the name of each member of eckankar? Is he aware everytime a person sees him in dream? Do all conscious being (including animals,plants,rocks,water,air) know & recognize him as the living eck master? Does he know the thoughts of every human's heart?

Templee333:
In that case,does the living eck master know the name of each member of eckankar? Is he aware everytime a person sees him in dream? Do all conscious being (including animals,plants,rocks,water,air) know & recognize him as the living eck master? Does he know the thoughts of every human's heart?

The Living Eck Master does not. He however as the Mahanta the Inner Master (since the Mahanta consciousness is the totality of all consciousness) knows everything, can do anything and so on. The Mahanta is beyond any organization even Eckankar hence. It is the Mahanta for all things and all Soul. IT knows the thoughts and hearts of all things and all things subliminally recognize IT.

The Mahanta regardless of what transpires sets up any meeting you might have had with it. IT is the Dream Master.

What,then, is sugmad? Is he/she/it an Almighty being & the creator of all things? Or is he/she/it the same as mahanta?
Is sugmad an intelligent being?
I once heard an eckist say that God is unexplainable & nameless,was he right? what,then,do eckists mean when they say that"HU" is the name of God?

Only Jesus can save.

Blue86:
Only Jesus can save.

please,please & please,this thread was meant to say something abt eckankar.There are thousands of christian threads where u can display ur evangelism skill,so kindly go there. Just don't try that here again except u r looking for my trouble!

Templee333:
What,then, is sugmad? Is he/she/it an Almighty being & the creator of all things? Or is he/she/it the same as mahanta?
Is sugmad an intelligent being?
I once heard an eckist say that God is unexplainable & nameless,was he right? what,then,do eckists mean when they say that"HU" is the name of God?

SUGMAD is the term for the Supreme Deity. You can't name IT, you can't describe IT neither can you know or experience IT all.

The Idea of spelling it in capital letters and using "IT" is to observe the qualities above. Describe or give it a quality, name or identity and you have created a god of it which is wrong and right at the same time.

It is neither female nor male. It is the supreme ruler of all and who has no entity or entities trying to overthrow IT or annoy IT as in the case of God Vs Satan in the religions.

Talking about the Supreme Deity, no one is ever wrong or right as to what IT is.

chieveboy:


SUGMAD is the term for the Supreme Deity. You can't name IT, you can't describe IT neither can you know or experience IT all.

The Idea of spelling it in capital letters and using "IT" is to observe the qualities above. Describe or give it a quality, name or identity and you have created a god of it which is wrong and right at the same time.

It is neither female nor male. It is the supreme ruler of all and who has no entity or entities trying to overthrow IT or annoy IT as in the case of God Vs Satan in the religions.

Talking about the Supreme Deity, no one is ever wrong or right as to what IT is.

Does a person who "realize God"(in eckankar) become the same with/as Sugmad?

Templee333:

Does a person who "realize God"(in eckankar) become the same with/as Sugmad?

Never. You become Godlike, but not God

I believe by now you know when we mention "God", we are not talking about the Jehovas and Elohims. Supreme Deity.

chieveboy:


Never. You become Godlike, but not God

I believe by now you know when we mention "God", we are not talking about the Jehovas and Elohims. Supreme Deity.

I'm not friendly with the concept of Jehovah and Elohim,it has many loopholes. That aside, I'm just trying very hard to comprehend ur explanation of sugmad.

Templee333:

I'm not friendly with the concept of Jehovah and Elohim,it has many loopholes. That aside, I'm just trying very hard to comprehend ur explanation of sugmad.

My brother, take a look at the God worlds of ECK below. Some of the things you see in other dimensions of the physical plane alone, you will be unable to explain and we even have not moves to the First Heaven (the Astral plane) which can be so majestic, dazzling and beautiful that it is impossible yo explain with the best human language, it is the SUGMAD we want to use our minds minds to explain?

Remember the mind ceases to function beyond the mental plane because it cannot handle anything above that plane.

Actually it is in a religious faith thread. So II am not out of boundaries.

Templee333:

please,please & please,this thread was meant to say something abt eckankar.There are thousands of christian threads where u can display ur evangelism skill,so kindly go there. Just don't try that here again except u r looking for my trouble!

Anyway,there's something else I'd love to knw.Who was the living eck master during the time of Jesus the Nazarene (if u believe he existed)? Did Jesus & his disciples knw abt or have contact with any of the eck masters?
@chieveboy

Templee333:
Anyway,there's something else I'd love to knw.Who was the living eck master during the time of Jesus the Nazarene (if u believe he existed)? Did Jesus & his disciples knw abt or have contact with any of the eck masters?
@chieveboy

His name was Zadok. Not the one mentioned in the Bible though.

Jesus indeed existed with a legit mission to save the Jews. Jesus did had a brief contact with the group whom Zadok teaches. Jesus though was inclined to flow a different path- that is, a different mystic path/group. Jesus prominently went with the Essenes.

chieveboy:


His name was Zadok. Not the one mentioned in the Bible though.

Jesus indeed existed with a legit mission to save the Jews. Jesus did had a brief contact with the group whom Zadok teaches. Jesus though was inclined to flow a different path- that as, a different mystic path/group. Jesus prominently went with the Essenes.

When Jesus preached the kingdom of heaven,did he mean the same thing as "atma lok" in ur chart?
Is God's realization the same thing as the budhists enlightenment (Nirvana)?

Templee333:

When Jesus preached the kingdom of heaven,did he mean the same thing as "atma lok" in ur chart?
Is God's realization the same thing as the budhists enlightenment (Nirvana)?

He preached same thing the the Budhists call Nirvana. This is attained in the mental plane where one becomes one with the Kal ruler of the worlds below the Soul Plane.

Bliss is experienced here beyond words. This plane is where the religions have their heaven. It is what is described in the holy books. This however is a toddler's play ground compared to Soul Realization, not to mention God realization.

The statement above is only for comparisons sake, this is not to mean God realization is not withing reach of anyone who truly loves God.

Templee333, are you sure that you can find and know about the true God by attending different cults?

If you really want to know about God and his Messiah, you should start studying the Bible, God's word.
That's very essential for your salvation John 17:3.

cornelboy:
Templee333, are you sure that you can find and know about the true God by attending different cults?

If you really want to know about God and his Messiah, you should start studying the Bible, God's word.
That's very essential for your salvation John 17:3.

can u,please,define the term cult? And what makes u think u know the true God? What salvation are u refering to?

Templee333:

can u,please,define the term cult? And what makes u think u know the true God? What salvation are u refering to?

Do you believe the Bible as God's word?

cornelboy:

Do you believe the Bible as God's word?

Cornelboy, you like this Àjàlá travel guy o!

Consider his missionary journey but unlike Paul he's not being faithful to any course:

©https://www.nairaland.com/7267762/experience-eckankar-religion
Journey to the land of Eckankar.

©https://www.nairaland.com/7253447/experience-olumba-obu-ooo
Journey to the land of Olumba.

©https://www.nairaland.com/7279788/experience-wind-change-temple-universe
Journey to the land of temple universe.

©https://www.nairaland.com/7296359/experience-jehovahs-witnesses-organization
Journey to JW organization.

Just that he ended his story from where he supposed to start!

MaxInDHouse:


Cornelboy, you like this Àjàlá travel guy o!

Consider his missionary journey but unlike Paul he's not being faithful to any course:

©https://www.nairaland.com/7267762/experience-eckankar-religion
Journey to the land of Eckankar.

©https://www.nairaland.com/7253447/experience-olumba-obu-ooo
Journey to the land of Olumba.

©https://www.nairaland.com/7279788/experience-wind-change-temple-universe
Journey to the land of temple universe.

©https://www.nairaland.com/7296359/experience-jehovahs-witnesses-organization
Journey to JW organization.

Just that he ended his story from where he supposed to start!

and how is it ur business? Did i use ur own head,hands,leg to explore the religions?

Templee333:

and how is it ur business? Did i use ur own head,hands,leg to explore the religions?

Was chatting with my own as in MY OWN brother not you!

cornelboy:

Do you believe the Bible as God's word?

do u believe the HOLY KORAN as God's word? ur answer to my question is also my answ to ur question.

Templee333:

do u believe the HOLY KORAN as God's word? ur answer to my question is also my answ to ur question.

My brother (Cornelboy) is right!

You're an atheist!

MaxInDHouse:


My brother (Cornelboy) is right!

You're an atheist!

if i choose to be an atheist does it concern u? If it pains u stop paying my school fees & cut off my feeding & outfits allowances.

Templee333:

if i choose to be a JW does it concern u? If it pains u stop paying my school fees & cut off my feeding & outfits allowances.

Ọmọ you can't eat your cake and have it!