codemaniacs:


don't ever compare different eras in football ...

Infact don't ever compare football team A of 2018 to the same football team A of 2022... In football 4 years is a lot of time..

that same Spanish team got thrashed by Holland and Chile in 2014 world cup and didn't make it out of the group stage...

that's one of the reasons Super Eagles missing this years Qata:r 2022 is very bad because by 2026 most of the current players will be 4 years older and may not be as effective as they are now while some of them will be more effective... but by 2026 Super Eagles will have new players to pick from..

TheGoodJoe:

Guardiola is not a racist. If not, he would not have loved Abidal.

Ronaldinho was not dropped for Messi because they were already playing together for Rijkaard. Ronaldinho lost his place to a young Pedro because Pedro was miles ahead tactically than Ronaldinho.

Excerpt from Guardiola;
“Pedro’s made me a better manager. He showed us the importance of pressing high. He’s a player that moves well between the lines and in the area he’s a killer.”

So the selections had to do with tactical depths and brilliance. It has more to do with working as a tactical unit than individual brilliance.

codemaniacs:


Ronaldinho lost his place not just due to racism but also because he was gaining weight and not serious about having a fit body.

It is an abomination to say Pedro is miles ahead of Ronaldinho tactically.

Pedro can't lace Ronaldinho's boots in any lifetime.

Pedro is a Catalan like G:uardiola and Guardiola is a tribalist.

TheGoodJoe:


I did not say that. Remember, the reflection is with respect to France and Spain team. If you make modern tactical adjustments to suit the modem game but in a defensive pattern. It is your way. And it can help. But, the France team lacked even the understanding of such concepts to pull it off.

Now with respect to defensive and possessive, the possessive side remains superior when you compare it to the ideas of the modern game.

He who controls the ball, controls the game. That is why Guardiola has the most win percentage in the modern era to all coaches. Because his side controls the game more.

No top club will hire a manager today that can not control the game better than most managers. Why? Because those who hold the ball better are actually the better manager.

Hanibal:


It is not true that controllers are generally the better managers, it is all about what you want, what the fans want and what the owners want.

See Guardiola has better win percentage in the modern era not necessarily because is the absolute best! Yes, he loves to pass teams to oblivion, naturally he likes to dominate, follow me.
The rich club owners love their teams to dominate other teams (it is the syche of the average rich man) so they keep hiring Guardiola who is as obsessed as they (the rich men)are Guardiola inturn keeps buying the best players, coupled with his undeniable knowledge in possession play, he keeps winning!
Simple logic!
It doesn't necessarily make him the best ever, it is just what it is.

oluwasunkanmi97:
So.......................


If the team of France 98, Brazil 02 , Italy 06, Spain 2010, Germany 2014 and France 2018 all in their prime were to be placed in a two legged league.

Do you think the Spanish side of 2010 will top the others ?.

TheGoodJoe:


Spain's loss was down to the tactical growth of teams. That is the factor missing in the French team.

TheGoodJoe:


Pedro can not lace Ronaldinho's boots when it comes to skills, taking on players, scoring acrobatic goals, etc.

When it comes to pressing the last line of defence, tracking back to defend, attacking free spaces, opening of passes etc, Pedro beats Ronaldinho hands down.

So Pep will always hinge towards a player that can give him what he wants. Pedro is miles ahead of Ronaldinho tactically.

TheGoodJoe:


Off point again.

When Spain lost to Chile, it was when Chile was coached by Sampaoli, which was an assistant to Marcelo Bielsa, who was one of the mentors of he modern game we see today.

That was why Guardiola was obsessed with Mendy who was a student of Marcelo Bielsa at Marseille and Laporte who was a student developed by Bielsa.

So Chile side was still a side that were tactically sound in the modern game compared to the France team of 1998 that were lost in the modern game of today.

oluwasunkanmi97:
So.......................


If the team of France 98, Brazil 02 , Italy 06, Spain 2010, Germany 2014 and France 2018 all in their prime were to be placed in a two legged league.

Do you think the Spanish side of 2010 will top the others ?.

codemaniacs:





you're a clown

2014 world cup was on the American continent so for most countries it was like home matches even U.S.A reached 2nd round...

Chile had better players simple... prime Alexis Sanchez, vidal e.t.c..

go and try stand up comedy

Football analysis is not your thing

codemaniacs:


Spanish team will finish bottom of the group...

most of that set of spanish players are short...

the other teams will use corner kicks , headers , free kicks e.t.c. to beat them..

Italy of 2006 had prime Pirlo, Cannavaro, Gattuso, Inzaghi, Buffon, Del Piero, De Rossi, Francesco Totti , Luca Toni, Maldini , Nesta , Zanetti , Grosso e.t.c..

TheGoodJoe:


It will be between the Spain 2010 and Germany 2014. I will still pick Spain 2010 as the most advanced.

TheGoodJoe:


Abuses will not help your point.

At the end, Sampaoli used some mind blowing pressing strategy to nullify the possession game of Spain. It was analysed repeatedly. He is a student of Bielsa. So, tactical depths played a big part in the demolition and the French team lacked that.

The point is too simple.

TheGoodJoe:


Jurgen Klopp explained how Organization made it no more about better players. So writing names shows you are still off the point.

comodo:
Another Wawulence loading, ..........

oluwasunkanmi97:


You think the team of Ronaldinho, Rivaldo Ronaldo De Lima and Roberto Carlos and Cafu don't stand a chance ?

chrisooblog:
Na nothing will happen as long as goodjoe is involved you better relax and enjoy a PEACEFUL G-rated engagement

codemaniacs:


Spanish team will finish bottom of the group...

most of that set of spanish players are short...

the other teams will use corner kicks , headers , free kicks e.t.c. to beat them..

Italy of 2006 had prime Pirlo, Cannavaro, Gattuso, Inzaghi, Buffon, Del Piero, De Rossi, Francesco Totti , Luca Toni, Maldini , Nesta , Zanetti , Grosso e.t.c..

oluwasunkanmi97:
So.......................


If the team of France 98, Brazil 02 , Italy 06, Spain 2010, Germany 2014 and France 2018 all in their prime were to be placed in a two legged league.

Do you think the Spanish side of 2010 will top the others ?.

TheGoodJoe:


I don't. Which of them understood how to press as a unit. Which of them understood how to drop deep to help build play. It is just not the same way of play.

That was why when Guardiola came in, he literally ghosted past all teams. Broke all records because all teams were tactically deficient compared to his team.

That was why Spain was easily a dominant force in that era too.

The Brazilian team were of the 97-2000 era were tactical amateurs to Spain.

They won't even see ball to play.

mostob:
He left for US from Morocco.

codemaniacs:


you're saying nonsense by saying "Which of them understood how to press as a unit. Which of them understood how to drop deep to help build play. It is just not the same way of play."

All of them knew how to drop deep and help build play... you're talking about players that love ( not like ) carrying and running with the ball from defense to offense as if its nothing ... if you watch videos of Denilson, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, R. Carlos, Rivaldo, Cafu e.t.c you'll see videos of them running with the ball from defense to offense if that's not building play to you then

it is an abomination to call those players tactical amateurs..

Its Spain that won't see ball to play..

andrewbaba44:


Spanish teams are short yet the teams with tall players couldn’t defeat them at the 2010 World Cup

The 2010 Spanish world cups back 4 consist of only 1 short player who was Charles puyol

Why did Germany Netherlands and co not use corner kicks to eliminate them

Football is not mathematics

codemaniacs:


Holland was the main culprit... if not for Robben's poor finishing Holland would have won....

there was nothing special about that Spanish team...

its the same way Super Eagles isn't at the 2022 world cup due to poor finishing of Moses Simon and Osimhen's high propensity to be offside..

thegoodjoe will say it was chris H:ugton and Addo superior and advanced tactical prowess that made Ghana qualify

andrewbaba44:


Part of the France 98 team could not make it past the group stage at the 2002 World Cup remember

codemaniacs:


Holland was the main culprit... if not for Robben's poor finishing Holland would have won....

there was nothing special about that Spanish team...

its the same way Super Eagles isn't at the 2022 world cup due to poor finishing of Moses Simon and Osimhen's high propensity to be offside..

thegoodjoe will say it was chris H:ugton and Addo superior and advanced tactical prowess that made Ghana qualify

Danielnino00:


The same applied to Spain in 2014, remember?

codemaniacs:


Holland was the main culprit... if not for Robben's poor finishing Holland would have won....

there was nothing special about that Spanish team...

its the same way Super Eagles isn't at the 2022 world cup due to poor finishing of Moses Simon and Osimhen's high propensity to be offside..

thegoodjoe will say it was chris H:ugton and Addo superior and advanced tactical prowess that made Ghana qualify

Danielnino00:


The same applied to Spain in 2014, remember?

TheGoodJoe:


Carrying the ball is not build-up play. The building takes place in blocks. Not solo runs. That alone nullifies these players with respect to the system of play.

When you drop deep, there is a reason for it. Mainly to create passing lanes and make the team play fluid. Making the team play fluid is making use of passing options.

Those guys were phenomenal in talent but lacked the tactical advancement the world has experienced at the time Spain dominated. The Brazilian team will not see the ball to even play.