Amoto94:

You are right about the fact that people aren't punished for their crimes well enough in this country that's criminal activities will continue to thrive because people are not held accountable for their undoings, at best what we get is a slap on the wrist kind of punishment or a Presidential pardon few years down the line. Naming and prosecuting offenders will serve as deterrence to others failure to do so will embolden existing and would-be offenders.

Joezinho:


Aburo, we are Tinubu’s urchin.

Na the #30k when Tinubu give us we take dey manage life.

According to Obidients.

larride:


Just like what happened with the adulterated fuel. No one was punished and it can happen again because these guys will see themselves as untouchable.

Same way IGP will give orders to police formation across the country and you will see ordinary constable and sergeant boldly going against the orders.

izzou:


We don't even know how that fuel was phased out.

Was it even resold to us?

Joezinho:


Rest bro..

GloriousGbola:


the major marketers bore the brunt of it. they took it back and blended it.

when you have a batch of fuel with kleg [too much of substance X /litre] you simply mix it with a much larger batch of fuel that is alright, until the volume of substance X per litre is acceptable.

if your fuel has 7% methanol - mix it with the an appropriate volume of 2% methanol fuel and it becomes 2% methanol

i am tired so the short answer - take 200,000 litres of that fuel - mix it with 10,00,000 litres of ok fuel - and it is all ok

that is what was done. no answer on whether NNPC repaid all the marketers who had to pump out the fuel from their stations, deliver to their depots and blend.

sai buhari and 0 consequences

until NNPC is broken up and sold to private owners, this nonsense will continue

everyone will just manage because it is govt

Anything the FG is managing should just be privatised. Corruption won't make us manage anything.

If we fit privatise Police sef, e go better

GloriousGbola:




no one has monopoly of screenshoting quotes

I don't even know how they do it

Often, I wipe out all my screnshots

But on these streets, raumdeuter can bring a screnshot of 2010 out

No need for quotes again. Screenshots are evergreen

BlueRayDick:


The government should name and shame these religious houses involved , have their leaders and other individuals involved prosecuted and answer for their crimes . We should not just be reading about these things in pages of newspapers and on social media, they should put face to these criminals and single them out for punishment in accordance with the laws of the land .

One thing I’ve learnt is when people are aware there are little or no consequences to their actions, they tend to have disregard for both laws and rules of morality.

A senior colleague was telling me how things usually operated in one of the first generation banks in the past. When a staff is found to have committed a fraud and the money he fraudulently appropriated is lower than his expected severance package/retirement benefits, they just deduct the money from his retirement benefits/ gratuity and allow him/her to continue working with the same bank with constant salary with full benefits till retirement . The cases of fraud never abated in the bank due to this policy till during Sanusi’s tenure as CBN governor and new management took over the bank.

With new management in place, any case of fraud is transferred to EFCC, the staff is summarily dismissed and most of them end up getting prosecuted even after the bank must have pursued recovery from the benefits that would’ve accrued to the staff. The cases of fraud reduced to a barest minimum cos people knew there were major consequences for their actions

larride:


You are right.

Sometimes when you read what Kyari says you wonder if the govt has no powers or they just decided not to use the power. How can we be losing 95% from a terminal to theft and everyone involved in that terminal are not cooling off in prison at this moment.

No way crude oil bunkering of that extent will be happening without the collusion and knowledge of everyone working there.

Kyari should've been sacked since that adulterated fuel happened, buhari gave an order for those responsible for the fuel to be investigated and prosecuted but nothing happened.

Everyone working on that Bonny plant from the MD to the bottom should be sacked and prosecuted and their accomplice in the community, religious house and creeks should be rounded up also.

izzou:


Anything the FG is managing should just be privatised. Corruption won't make us manage anything.

If we fit privatise Police sef, e go better

BlueRayDick:


The government should name and shame these religious houses involved , have their leaders and other individuals involved prosecuted and answer for their crimes . We should not just be reading about these things in pages of newspapers and on social media, they should put face to these criminals and single them out for punishment in accordance with the laws of the land .

One thing I’ve learnt is when people are aware there are little or no consequences to their actions, they tend to have disregard for both laws and rules of morality.

A senior colleague was telling me how things usually operated in one of the first generation banks in the past. When a staff is found to have committed a fraud and the money he fraudulently appropriated is lower than his expected severance package/retirement benefits, they just deduct the money from his retirement benefits/ gratuity and allow him/her to continue working with the same bank with constant salary with full benefits till retirement . The cases of fraud never abated in the bank due to this policy till during Sanusi’s tenure as CBN governor and new management took over the bank.

With new management in place, any case of fraud is transferred to EFCC, the staff is summarily dismissed and most of them end up getting prosecuted even after the bank must have pursued recovery from the benefits that would’ve accrued to the staff. The cases of fraud reduced to a barest minimum cos people knew there were major consequences for their actions

raumdeuter:


Nothing managed by govt will ever be efficient. Even in western countries

raumdeuter:


All these happen because its a govt thing and everyone believe its free money or our commonwealth and ministry mentality. In govt you have to be sensitive to the politics too. You point at Alams or Ibori, his people start protesting that its witchunt, you point at Dasuki or Dariye his people start complaining of witchhunt, you point at Orji Kalu, Tafa Balogun, Ifeanyi Uba his people start complaining of witchhunt

How many times have we seen people protest to defend blatant stealing because na their man?

Look at govt place where they ask them for competence test, credential verification even show up on time, They will go on strike because they are blocking them from chopping from the National cake

Privatize it and lets see if Mr Blueray wiill open eyes and someone will be stealing your investments even if the culprit is his pastor or old classmate

All the billionaires we hear and envy, If you hear from their staffs how they chase even the smallest things missing. Ask staffs of Adenuga Ovia Elumelu how shrewd these guys are.

I heard that time Adenuga ETB a sizable number of them visit EFCC regularly because of petty fraud

izzou:


In the US, are there sectors that are run solely by the government and are doing well?

BlueRayDick:


You are not far from the truth. Private businessmen will always succeed anywhere Government owned business has failed; In fact there's nothing like government owned business in this country sef, more like they are running charity and sharing the national cake which of course does not give chance for efficency.

I still can't wrap my head around the fact that Ibori was tried in naija and all the 70-count charge against him never stuck, in fact the case was struck until UK had him extradited and tried & he eventually got 13 years jail term

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/opinion/3988-james_ibori_conviction_is_shame_on_nigeria_justice_awokulehin.html

This is a man who ordinarily should not have qualified to stand for an election in 1999 due to his ex-convict status prior to that time. The audacity of his kinsmen later defending him even after serving his term in the UK just leaves one mouth-opened

raumdeuter:


Doing well compared to Nigeria but not doing well compared to private sector in the US

Ask any American who has had to call the IRS, visit Drivers license office or visit Social Security office and tell their experience. Its always vastly different from the private sector

raumdeuter:

Roland17 Biden is enjoying a bounce and might turn the Democrats fortune in November. Though I am not in support of the student loan forgiveness thing

Also I am happy about the Trump investigation, I am happy with anything that will take him out of the running for 2024

raumdeuter:


Imagine say this Kyari dey talk true and he mentions Ibori or Oritsejafor one big man for Delta, What do you think will follow?

donjazet:
Do Nigerians really want an international criminal with criminal indictments and also a grandfather of institutionalized corruption in Nigeria to lead this nation?

Do you really believe that in spite of these criminal records, that if Tinubu was passionate about enacting positive change in Nigeria, he really didn't have the clout and political machinery to achieve this?

His stooge was the vice president of the country.
His own wife has been a senior senator for several years.
His stooge is the speaker of the house of representatives.
He has at least 15 senators in his pocket.
He has at least 10 ministers in his pocket.
He was the other half of the grand coalition of the ruling party.

Do you believe that with all these at his disposal, this man couldn't effect change in the country or at the very least SPEAK UP and REVOLT when he saw how terrible the leadership which he foisted upon us became.

But no, he didn't speak up because he was a very part and parcel of the problem. He couldn't speak up because of his selfish ambition, so he decided to let the country burn to the ground so as not to gore some powerful oxes. So as not to step on the wrong toes .

And here we are, we the masses foolishly lining up behind this criminal traitor of his country to lend our voices and support.
How foolish can we be? Our mumu never too much?

donjazet:
Just look at the useless APC apologists suddenly growing balls to criticize the government inadequacies while still supporting the party.

Like how does it work? What sort of cognitive dissonance is this?

Let's never forget that your mcm is a part and parcel of the government.

seankafor:
bro eeh, this thread will be jejely sweetening everyone..

Boom you come with your jargons and infestation
What is wrong with you

Illimitable:


Cheap wages = poor services.



Republicans don’t have anyone as popular as Trump. If he doesn’t run, Biden gets another 4 years.

There’s a reason they are trying to hang an indictment on his neck. It is because they fear him. Over 99% of the candidates Trump has endorsed have won their tickets.

His rallies are still packed to the brim. You should also not forget this guy amassed around 75m votes in the last election(beating the much loved Obama’s numbers).

I think Trump should run again.

BlueRayDick:


Different pressure groups will spring up and start claiming victimization of their son.

But then Obasanjo ensured Tafa Balogun was shamed and kicked out of the force based on his corruption case. I’m not saying other IGP’s have not been corrupt ( I do not have any evidence to suggest that or otherwise ) , but I think his travails was enough to send word to others who came after him to behave themselves . That’s why I feel people need to be brought to book and charged for these crimes, we shouldn’t just be reading about it on paper and deliberating on it till the news fades away

raumdeuter:


While Trump might be popular with the base, but he has a negative perception among independents in a 4:1 ratio.

n an election, Democrats alone cannot win, Republican alone cannot win, Anyone who takes the biggest bite of the independents will win

Trump is very divisive, He has an abrasive personality which will not work for many people. I liked his policies when he was president. But people rarely vote for policies, they vote against people

Democrats and Bidens only hope is to make Trump run and turn the election into a Trump wankfest. They know if they whip up enough sentiments on Trump people will be swayed. Taking Trump out of the equation deflates them in a big way

I am for Ron DeSantis

raumdeuter:


Doing well compared to Nigeria but not doing well compared to private sector in the US

Ask any American who has had to call the IRS, visit Drivers license office or visit Social Security office and tell their experience. Its always vastly different from the private sector

raumdeuter:
Roland17 Biden is enjoying a bounce and might turn the Democrats fortune in November. Though I am not in support of the student loan forgiveness thing

Also I am happy about the Trump investigation, I am happy with anything that will take him out of the running for 2024

raumdeuter:


Doing well compared to Nigeria but not doing well compared to private sector in the US

Ask any American who has had to call the IRS, visit Drivers license office or visit Social Security office and tell their experience. Its always vastly different from the private sector

Roland17:


As for Trump, to me, he is not as smart as his confidence presents. He is quite naïve and he has the worst advisers, however, he understands the power of his appeal and maximizes it very well. The issue with taking Trump out of the running is that the Republicans don't have anyone with a wider appeal to the Republican party, especially grassroot members. Trump goofed with the classified doc, it exposed his ignorance to the law and the severity of it's consequences. If he doesn't run, it would be an easy win for the Democrats. When I read sentiments like yours, I feel like your party is at crossroads.

izzou:


But would we really say "Government" in general, or the FG?

Because for example, Lagos state runs some sectors perfectly well. That's Government too. I wouldn't know if corruption is rampant, but the services are very okay...Example was when I visited LASUTH. Transport is another example too

So why is the case different with the FG?

Illimitable:


The same independents have gone through

- Record Inflation
- Abysmal gas price
- Afghanistan fiasco
- Putin shitting on America
- Recession

Even democrats are tired of Biden. The last 2 years have been horrible. If GEJ runs against Biden tonight, GEJ would win.

BlueRayDick:


Of a truth LASUTH is well equipped (compared to other Government owned health institutions in the country ) , Lagos state government pumps in money for its running and maintenance , but sadly the staff there are typical Nigerian civil servants . I wouldn’t want to relive my experience there last year when I had course to take a family member there at different times .

Mehn! To even get ur card from the records department u have to get there as early as possible and use the Nigerian way to bypass a whole lot of unnecessary bureaucracies . The whole moving to the different clinics , God help u that u don’t have a connect there who would help u fast track the process ; u will see sick people lying helpless on pavements while those who brought them are on queue in their stead .

At various times we were literally attended to in the car; my patient had a drip stand fixed by the side of the car while he took two drips inside the car . The doctor and nurses practically told us not to bring down the patient from the car that the patient will be attended to in the car cos there wasn’t any bed or wheelchair free at that moment .

I think I agree with Raumdeuter, privatization is the way forward for all those government run businesses baba