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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 2:24pm On Sep 01, 2022
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amoto94(m): 2:29pm On Sep 01, 2022
izzou:


Tinubu's speech at Kukah's birthday ceremony
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 3:05pm On Sep 01, 2022
Amoto94:

Tinubu's speech at Kukah's birthday ceremony

I know.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amoto94(m): 3:15pm On Sep 01, 2022
izzou:


I know.

Some have been asking for him to make a public speech
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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 3:19pm On Sep 01, 2022
Amoto94:

Some have been asking for him to make a public speech

Ohh Okay

I think I have watched him make another one sef.

But then, do all these matter anymore?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amoto94(m): 3:23pm On Sep 01, 2022
izzou:


Ohh Okay

I think I have watched him make another one sef.

But then, do all these matter anymore?
Ordinarily it wouldn't have mattered at all but based on popular demand it's necessary to drop it.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 4:58pm On Sep 01, 2022
Wike is scattering everything even though I think Atiku is not wise on this.

If he wants to win he needs to men fences with Wike. He cannot afford to lose all those States where WIke and his PDP governor friends are ruling

https://www.nairaland.com/7311354/breaking-pdp-lose-election-2023
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Roland17(m): 5:16pm On Sep 01, 2022
raumdeuter:
Wike is scattering everything even though I think Atiku is not wise on this.

If he wants to win he needs to men fences with Wike. He cannot afford to lose all those States where WIke and his PDP governor friends are ruling

https://www.nairaland.com/7311354/breaking-pdp-lose-election-2023

While I agree with you that Atiku needs to mend fences with Wike and make some difficult concessions, Wike is being unreasonable with his actions. It's like what we see in NFL football when disgruntled players who are seeking new contracts go on SM to flirt with other teams.

Wike is a smart politician, however, I don't know how much power he will continue to wield in Rivers State or the SS after his tenure. He doesn't have the appeal/ control of the SS like Asiwaju in the SW. People like J. Ibori wield more power in the SS in comparison. But I agree, Atiku needs to stoop down because his ambition can be ruined by Wike's actions.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 6:00pm On Sep 01, 2022
Roland17:


While I agree with you that Atiku needs to mend fences with Wike and make some difficult concessions, Wike is being unreasonable with his actions. It's like what we see in NFL football when disgruntled players who are seeking new contracts go on SM to flirt with other teams.

Wike is a smart politician, however, I don't know how much power he will continue to wield in Rivers State or the SS after his tenure. He doesn't have the appeal/ control of the SS like Asiwaju in the SW. People like J. Ibori wield more power in the SS in comparison. But I agree, Atiku needs to stoop down because his ambition can be ruined by Wike's actions.


Wike after 2023 might be irrelevant but gong into the election he has the power over his state to a large extent during the conduct of the election and February 2023 comes before May 2023 when Wike will be irrelevant.
and this is not Wike alone, He has friends and loyalists like Ortom, Makinde and probably Ikpeazu. These are PDP states where Atiku is expecting to pull numbers in the South

These people working against Atiku gives an opening for another candidate, Being non committal towards a general election is also bad as he will simply look away and let the machinery of the opponents do as they want

Its the same thing Tinubu and ACN did for Jonathan in 2011, Buhari failed to strike a deal with Tinubu, So Tinubu fielded a weak Ribadu barely campaigned for him nor spent money. He did not actively campaign for Jonathan nor against but he just looked away and let GEJ have his ride in the entire SW

Wike instead of working actively might just look away and let LP or APC just have their way instead of actively resisting him like he would have done in an election he has a stake
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by PDPGuy: 6:38pm On Sep 01, 2022
TBH, I don’t see anything wrong in what Tinubu said about inheriting the gift of tongues from the Bible. After all, without the Bible, would any Christian have an inkling about the gift of tongues?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 6:42pm On Sep 01, 2022
PDPGuy:
TBH, I don’t see anything wrong in what Tinubu said about inheriting the gift of tongues from the Bible. After all, without the Bible, would any Christian have an inkling about the gift of tongues?

I am wondering what the problem is with the statement.

There were accounts of people speaking in tongues in the bible, So what was controversial about it?

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by larride(m): 7:02pm On Sep 01, 2022
PDPGuy:
TBH, I don’t see anything wrong in what Tinubu said about inheriting the gift of tongues from the Bible. After all, without the Bible, would any Christian have an inkling about the gift of tongues?

They are just looking for something to get angry about.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by larride(m): 7:04pm On Sep 01, 2022
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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 7:42pm On Sep 01, 2022
PDPGuy:
TBH, I don’t see anything wrong in what Tinubu said about inheriting the gift of tongues from the Bible. After all, without the Bible, would any Christian have an inkling about the gift of tongues?

Context ehn....No be small thing grin

If you watch the video, he was talking about our diversity as a country. And the tongues he was talking about was the Tower of Babel.

Considering the fact that it was the occasion of a Bishop, that example was well in place.

I was surprised to see reactions on FP. Nawa

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 7:46pm On Sep 01, 2022
izzou:


Context ehn....No be small thing grin

If you watch the video, he was talking about our diversity as a country. And the tongues he was talking about was the Tower of Babel.

Considering the fact that it was the occasion of a Bishop, that example was well in place.

I was surprised to see reactions on FP. Nawa

this is why tinubu is not going to bother talking and giving interviews .

because there is a whole gang that will deliberately misinterpret and skew everything he says to fit their narrative

speech is silver and silence is golden for these guys

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by popizaino(m): 9:06pm On Sep 01, 2022
larride:


Just like what happened with the adulterated fuel. No one was punished and it can happen again because these guys will see themselves as untouchable.

Same way IGP will give orders to police formation across the country and you will see ordinary constable and sergeant boldly going against the orders.
[b][/b]


This is why you need dictators to reset the country back to normal.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 9:26pm On Sep 01, 2022
Roland17:


While I agree with you that Atiku needs to mend fences with Wike and make some difficult concessions, Wike is being unreasonable with his actions. It's like what we see in NFL football when disgruntled players who are seeking new contracts go on SM to flirt with other teams.

Wike is a smart politician, however, I don't know how much power he will continue to wield in Rivers State or the SS after his tenure. He doesn't have the appeal/ control of the SS like Asiwaju in the SW. People like J. Ibori wield more power in the SS in comparison. But I agree, Atiku needs to stoop down because his ambition can be ruined by Wike's actions.


It's obvious you've not been following. If you have, you can't say Wike is being unreasonable.

1. Ayu who is a party chairman and who is meant to be neutral(at least on the surface) was seen publicly hailing Tambuwal after the PDP primaries

2. PDP insiders have come out to say that Ayu in particular was the one who prevailed on Atiku to drop Wike as Vice against the recommendation of the panel who Atiku himself set up.

What Wike is simply doing is taking his pound of flesh and Ayu must go or nothing. He will not bend over and allow Notherners fvck him in his ass like they did to a lot of Southern politicians in the past.

Lastly, I have said elsewhere and I'll say again. Wike will continue to be relevant beyond 2023. His stooge, a civil servant is the next governor of the state.

It's Tinubu esque
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Roland17(m): 9:49pm On Sep 01, 2022
Itsrm:


It's obvious you've not been following. If you have, you can't say Wike is being unreasonable.

1. Ayu who is a party chairman and who is meant to be neutral(at least on the surface) was seen publicly hailing Tambuwal after the PDP primaries

2. PDP insiders have come out to say that Ayu in particular was the one who prevailed on Atiku to drop Wike as Vice against the recommendation of the panel who Atiku himself set up.

What Wike is simply doing is taking his pound of flesh and Ayu must go or nothing. He will not bend over and allow Notherners fvck him in his ass like they did to a lot of Southern politicians in the past.

Lastly, I have said elsewhere and I'll say again. Wike will continue to be relevant beyond 2023. His stooge, a civil servant is the next governor of the state.

It's Tinubu esque

Firstly, I thought you will come up with something more insightful after claiming I am not following. There is nothing like political neutrality even within a party. Within a party there are camps represented by varying interests. Consequently, the narrative that Ayu is supposed to be neutral doesn’t hold waters, worsestill, in Nigerian politics. Within the Democratic Party, you have different positions and that is why some like Manchin can hold the entire country and Biden hostage despite being a Democrat.

Have you forgotten that A. Adamu, the APC chairman even had his own candidate during the APC primaries? Have we seen Adamu campaign aggressively for Tinubu like say Gandollar has been doing even before Tinubu got the ticket?

You may have to look at the history of Rivers politics to understand the dynamics of power and by extension it’s relevance in the SS. Anointing a candidate doesn’t assure anyone of political relevance post tenure, we have seen that over and over again. Odili appointed R. Amaechi, we know how that relationship is going in Rivers State. Wike’s power, control and relevance in the SS can not even be compared to that of Kwankwaso in the core North, worth more Jagaban in the SW or celebrated criminal James Ibori in the SS because it holds no salt beyond Rivers state.

I am inclined to understand Dayo’s position about Wike’s ability to wield power because he is an incumbent governor, nothing past that for me, as it relates to SS. If PDP loses the presidential election, he also loses, except he decamps to APC and gets a position.

Wike should be fighting Tambuwal if he has the courage, not Atiku because his problem started after Tambuwal decided to sell his votes to Atiku…Every other thing is secondary. He should be fighting and taking his pound of flesh against Tambuwal. Ayu may not survive this because Atiku needs all the votes he can gather from Rivers State.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 10:02pm On Sep 01, 2022
Roland17:


Firstly, I thought you will come up with something more insightful after claiming I am not following. There is nothing like political neutrality even within a party. Within a party there are camps represented by varying interests. Consequently, the narrative that Ayu is supposed to be neutral doesn’t hold waters, worsestill, in Nigerian politics. Within the Democratic Party, you have different positions and that is why some like Manchin can hold the entire country and Biden hostage despite being a Democrat.

Have you forgotten that A. Adamu, the APC chairman even had his own candidate during the APC primaries? Have we seen Adamu campaign aggressively for Tinubu like say Gandollar has been doing even before Tinubu got the ticket?

You may have to look at the history of Rivers politics to understand the dynamics of power and by extension it’s relevance in the SS. Anointing a candidate doesn’t assure anyone of political relevance post tenure, we have seen that over and over again. Odili appointed R. Amaechi, we know how that relationship is going in Rivers State. Wike’s power, control and relevance in the SS can not even be compared to that of Kwankwaso in the core North, worth more Jagaban in the SW, it holds no salt beyond Rivers state.

I am inclined to understand Dayo’s position about Wike’s ability to wield power because he is an incumbent governor, nothing past that for me, as it relates to SS. If PDP loses the presidential election, he also loses, except he decamps to APC and gets a position.

Wike should be fighting Tambuwal if he has the courage, not Atiku because his problem started after Tambuwal decided to sell his votes to Atiku…Every other thing is secondary. He should be fighting and taking his pound of flesh against Tambuwal. Ayu may not survive this because Atiku needs all the votes he can gather from Rivers State.


I was particular about you saying he's being unreasonable. He is not and I have shown why. What you want him to do is exactly how people lose their relevance.

Secondly, Odili appointing Ameachi is different from Tinubu appointing Ambode as is Wike appointing Fubara.

You can tell us how well it worked for Ambode when he decided to go against Tinubu. If you don't know, as far as everyone in Rivers state is concerned, Wike is going for third term with Fubara in office.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 10:05pm On Sep 01, 2022
Roland17:


Firstly, I thought you will come up with something more insightful after claiming I am not following. There is nothing like political neutrality even within a party. Within a party there are camps represented by varying interests. Consequently, the narrative that Ayu is supposed to be neutral doesn’t hold waters, worsestill, in Nigerian politics. Within the Democratic Party, you have different positions and that is why some like Manchin can hold the entire country and Biden hostage despite being a Democrat.

Have you forgotten that A. Adamu, the APC chairman even had his own candidate during the APC primaries? Have we seen Adamu campaign aggressively for Tinubu like say Gandollar has been doing even before Tinubu got the ticket?

You may have to look at the history of Rivers politics to understand the dynamics of power and by extension it’s relevance in the SS. Anointing a candidate doesn’t assure anyone of political relevance post tenure, we have seen that over and over again. Odili appointed R. Amaechi, we know how that relationship is going in Rivers State. Wike’s power, control and relevance in the SS can not even be compared to that of Kwankwaso in the core North, worth more Jagaban in the SW or celebrated criminal James Ibori in the SS because it holds no salt beyond Rivers state.

I am inclined to understand Dayo’s position about Wike’s ability to wield power because he is an incumbent governor, nothing past that for me, as it relates to SS. If PDP loses the presidential election, he also loses, except he decamps to APC and gets a position.

Wike should be fighting Tambuwal if he has the courage, not Atiku because his problem started after Tambuwal decided to sell his votes to Atiku…Every other thing is secondary. He should be fighting and taking his pound of flesh against Tambuwal. Ayu may not survive this because Atiku needs all the votes he can gather from Rivers State.

Atiku may have this perception that these Wike’s 3 won't even matter in scheme of things

I don't believe Makinde can deliver Oyo for PDP even if he aligns with Atiku. Tinubu go win there

I don't believe Ikpeazu can deliver Abia for PDP.

The same goes for Ortom, now that APC has a priest as candidate.

Atiku may even consider allowing them be. If they work for him? Fine. If they don't? No wahala
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 10:29pm On Sep 01, 2022
izzou:


Atiku may have this perception that these Wike’s 3 won't even matter in scheme of things

I don't believe Makinde can deliver Oyo for PDP even if he aligns with Atiku. Tinubu go win there

I don't believe Ikpeazu can deliver Abia for PDP.

The same goes for Ortom, now that APC has a priest as candidate.

Atiku may even consider allowing them be. If they work for him? Fine. If they don't? No wahala

While I understand you point but this election every vote will count because it will be a tight context as long as Obi is in the race stealing Atikus votes

Its not about winning in some states but reducing loss margin and even in enemy territory, a favorable governor can help you reduce the margin. Its like Chelsea going to Allianz arena to lose 6-0 vs losing 4-2. Both na loss but you can easily recover one in your home territory vs the other

Let me give an example 2015 Election lets use the SE as a case study see Rochas with state machinery was able to get Buhari 133k votes in Imo. While in other SE states see the number Buhari was getting.
Anambra 17k
Abia 13K
Ebonyi 19K
Enugu 14K

Imo alone 133k votes for Buhari. All other 4 SE states 63K total. Buhari had more than double the votes in all 4 SE states in Imo alone
That is the power of sitting governor cooking

Do you think Ndi Imo hate Buhari less than Ndi Abia, Anambra, Enugu, Ebonyi?

Same thing in the same 2015 look at the entire SS what was governed by PDP except Edo.
Cross River28k, Bayelsa- 5k, Delta -48K, Akwa-Ibom - 58K, Rivers -69K. when it reach Edo 208K

Even in SW where Buhari was getting narrow wins throughout, Fayose was able to give Jonathan victory
That is the power of a governor in a opponent territory.

A sitting governor alone with state machinery holds about 20% of votes he can decide to either throw his weight in with or look away
That is the difference between Atiku making 40% in Oyo state or Atiku making 20% in the same Oyo state

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:32pm On Sep 01, 2022
raumdeuter:


While I understand you point but this election every vote will count because it will be a tight context as long as Obi is in the race stealing Atikus votes

Its not about winning in some states but reducing loss margin and even in enemy territory, a favorable governor can help you reduce the margin. Its like Chelsea going to Allianz arena to lose 6-0 vs losing 4-2. Both na loss but you can easily recover one in your home territory vs the other

Let me give an example 2015 Election lets use the SE as a case study see Rochas with state machinery was able to get Buhari 133k votes in Imo. While in other SE states see the number Buhari was getting.
Anambra 17k
Abia 13K
Ebonyi 19K
Enugu 14K

Imo alone 133k votes for Buhari. All other 4 SE states 63K total. Buhari had more than double the votes in all 4 SE states in Imo alone
That is the power of sitting governor cooking

Do you think Ndi Imo hate Buhari less than Ndi Abia, Anambra, Enugu, Ebonyi?

Same thing in the same 2015 look at the entire SS what was governed by PDP except Edo.
Cross River28k, Bayelsa- 5k, Delta -48K, Akwa-Ibom - 58K, Rivers -69K. when it reach Edo 208K

Even in SW where Buhari was getting narrow wins throughout, Fayose was able to give Jonathan victory
That is the power of a governor in a opponent territory.

A sitting governor alone with state machinery holds about 20% of votes he can decide to either throw his weight in with or look away
That is the difference between Atiku making 40% in Oyo state or Atiku making 20% in the same Oyo state

tinubu did the same for gej in 2011.
when they flew him to aso rock and he returned and fked ribadu over

only aregbe for reasons best known to him, decided to do his own thing - which is why beaf and co were always making noise about osun
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:39pm On Sep 01, 2022
Itsrm:


Lastly, I have said elsewhere and I'll say again. Wike will continue to be relevant beyond 2023. His stooge, a civil servant is the next governor of the state.

It's Tinubu esque

that remains to be seen.

tinubu is the only person who has retained control

is it wike who has been abusing chiefs up and down that will have influence when he steps down? more likely they hate him even more than lagos civil service hated ambode

we watched as obaseki thoroughly beat osho at his own game

wike was never a politician - he was just a beneficiary of PEJ. even the rest of PDP he has been behaving like the kid who owns the ball. the last three years the other governors have had to come to ph to placate him at different times. no one will miss him, imho

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Roland17(m): 12:45am On Sep 02, 2022
GloriousGbola:


that remains to be seen.

tinubu is the only person who has retained control

is it wike who has been abusing chiefs up and down that will have influence when he steps down? more likely they hate him even more than lagos civil service hated ambode

we watched as obaseki thoroughly beat osho at his own game

wike was never a politician - he was just a beneficiary of PEJ. even the rest of PDP he has been behaving like the kid who owns the ball. the last three years the other governors have had to come to ph to placate him at different times. no one will miss him, imho

I was going to inquire and clarify from him if the argument had degenerated into comparing Tinubu’s influence and power to Wike’s because if it is, I will not disrespect Tinubu by engaging in such sacrilegious debate.

By the end of Tinubu’s 2nd tenure as governor of Lagos he was a Lone Ranger in AD wrestling power against PDP who had succeeded in sweeping the SW. 2007, post tenure he had succeeded in building structures across the country that subsequently retook the SW, removed PDP from power and continues to influence politics across the nation, especially in the SW.

Like I said earlier, he can wield his power in Rivers state as an incumbent and anoint his successor, however, that doesn’t guarantee anything, neither does it expand his influence past Rivers state. I can list 10 ex governors who anointed successors and today are irrelevant.

If PDP loses and Wike remains in PDP, he also loses. The SS states are Akwa Ibom, Bayelsa, Cross River, Delta, Edo and Rivere state. Outside of Rivers state can he mention another state in the SS where Wike wields any influence or has structures? Is that who we are using to compare with Jagaban? Heck, celebrated criminal James Ibori who has been out of power for years, gone to jail wields more power across the SS region than Wike.

Wike needs to don more than throwing tantrums and making noise for me to take him serious post tenure.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android22: 4:37am On Sep 02, 2022
Unifying president they said.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 5:50am On Sep 02, 2022
GloriousGbola:


that remains to be seen.

tinubu is the only person who has retained control

is it wike who has been abusing chiefs up and down that will have influence when he steps down? more likely they hate him even more than lagos civil service hated ambode

we watched as obaseki thoroughly beat osho at his own game

wike was never a politician - he was just a beneficiary of PEJ. even the rest of PDP he has been behaving like the kid who owns the ball. the last three years the other governors have had to come to ph to placate him at different times. no one will miss him, imho

Time will tell and I'll come back to this.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by donjazet(m): 11:57am On Sep 02, 2022
Android22:
Unifying president they said.

Like this is even 10% of what trump calls democrats who are his own fellow Americans.

Like the republicans shouldn't be called to order with their synchronized defense of trump's criminality.

This outcry is pure bullshite from republicans.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by donjazet(m): 11:59am On Sep 02, 2022
Meanwhile when we talk of souls for hire, this is what we mean.
People who have sold their consciences for selfish gains to the detriment of their country.

Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by chrisooblog: 12:21pm On Sep 02, 2022
Sorry but this is a very self-contradictory post.

You used to support Buhari now you follow Obi. Does that make you (according to your own words) "a soul for hire who has sold his conscience for selfish gain to the detriment of his country?"

donjazet:
Meanwhile when we talk of souls for hire, this is what we mean.
People who have sold their consciences for selfish gains to the detriment of their country.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amoto94(m): 12:28pm On Sep 02, 2022
chrisooblog:
Sorry but this is a very self-contradictory post.

You used to support Buhari now you follow Obi. Does that make you (according to your own words) "a soul for hire who has sold his conscience for selfish gain to the detriment of his country?"

Ghen! Ghen

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