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Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 7:18pm On Sep 07, 2022
Surah 56 vs 57 It is We Who created you. Will you not then believe ˹in resurrection˺?

Kindly tell me who the WE who created Man are .
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by uthlaw: 7:22pm On Sep 07, 2022
How you go say one person na Trinity... Use ur brain na!

Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by adeoyekay(m): 8:08pm On Sep 07, 2022
uthlaw:
How you go say one person na Trinity... Use ur brain na!
Oga, answer the question first. We don't need Jesus and Christian today.

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Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Maynmann: 9:23pm On Sep 07, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
Surah 56 vs 57 It is We [/b]Who [b]created you. Will you not then believe ˹in resurrection˺?

Kindly tell me who the WE who created Man are .

You know both islam and Christianity creation story is gotten from Judaism?
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by haekymbahd(m): 9:57pm On Sep 07, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
Surah 56 vs 57 It is We [/b]Who [b]created you. Will you not then believe ˹in resurrection˺?

Kindly tell me who the WE who created Man are .
kindly differentiate between Elohim and Elah there lies your answer


When God is reffered to as Elohim instead of Elah does it mean he is more than one?

Allah SWT said:

"Say, He is Allah, [who is] One,"
(QS. Al-Ikhlaas 112: Verse 1)
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 10:11pm On Sep 07, 2022
I am trying to reconcile the brain that is missing in the quran. if it doesn't appear mentally fit for you, then, that is what the quran is to you.
The quran says that WE created humans. So, is there a brain missing in the quran?
uthlaw:
How you go say one person na Trinity... Use ur brain na!
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:14pm On Sep 07, 2022
Allah is only respecting himself with the rendering!

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Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 10:16pm On Sep 07, 2022
So, do you now accept the Jewish God? You have suddenly jumped out of the quran to the Hebrew scriptures. Do you see why mohammed asked you to consult the Christians for clarification of your faith? Do you see that is what you just did? rather than replying to the direct question, you dragged the Bible that you and your scholars discredit into your explanation. So, you cannot pick and choose. Do you accept Elohim as God of Islam now?

meanwhile, if your argument is that Elohim means the same as Allah, why drop the title that Moses called God for Allah in the first place? Also, do you accept that allah is a plural word?

If allah is one, who then are the WE who created man as recorded in this surah. I am so grateful that you claim that no letter is missing. You are about to change the letters now. Surah 56 vs 57 It is We Who created you.


haekymbahd:
kindly differentiate between Elohim and Elah there lies your answer


When God is reffered to as Elohim instead of Elah does it mean he is more than one?

Allah SWT said:

"Say, He is Allah, [who is] One,"
(QS. Al-Ikhlaas 112: Verse 1)

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Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 10:19pm On Sep 07, 2022
Maynmann:


You know both islam and Christianity creation story is gotten from Judaism?
That is another story. Muslims have loudly discredited both Judaism and Christianity and exalted the quran and islam. We now want to focus on that quran. So, kindly save us some story and directly provide the answer to the question. Surah 56 vs 57 It is We Who created you.

who are the WE?
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 10:22pm On Sep 07, 2022
hahahha good point. hahaha he forgot that his point is hurting allah. allah is according title and honor to himself.
MaxInDHouse:
Allah is only respecting himself with the rendering!
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by haekymbahd(m): 10:45pm On Sep 07, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
So, do you now accept the Jewish God? You have suddenly jumped out of the quran to the Hebrew scriptures. Do you see why mohammed asked you to consult the Christians for clarification of your faith? Do you see that is what you just did? rather than replying to the direct question, you dragged the Bible that you and your scholars discredit into your explanation. So, you cannot pick and choose. Do you accept Elohim as God of Islam now?

meanwhile, if your argument is that Elohim means the same as Allah, why drop the title that Moses called God for Allah in the first place? Also, do you accept that allah is a plural word?

If allah is one, who then are the WE who created man as recorded in this surah. I am so grateful that you claim that no letter is missing. You are about to change the letters now. Surah 56 vs 57 It is We Who created you.


Allah SWT said:

"And when the trumpet is blown,"
(QS. Al-Muddaththir 74: Verse cool

"That Day will be a difficult day"
(QS. Al-Muddaththir 74: Verse 9)

"For the disbelievers - not easy."
(QS. Al-Muddaththir 74: Verse 10)

"Leave Me with the one I created alone"
(QS. Al-Muddaththir 74: Verse 11)

Allah SWT said:

"[So mention] when your Lord said to the angels, Indeed, I am going to create a human being from clay."
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 71)




"We" is used as a form of respect just as the Royal We. Allah who is one is the creator..
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Maynmann: 10:58pm On Sep 07, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
That is another story. Muslims have loudly discredited both Judaism and Christianity and exalted the quran and islam. We now want to focus on that quran. So, kindly save us some story and directly provide the answer to the question. Surah 56 vs 57 It is We Who created you.

who are the WE?

You are quoting the tanakh, which was copied into the Quran same way it was copied into Old Testament. Y’all are both worshipping Abrahamaic gods.
Read slowly.
You know both islam and Christianity creation story is gotten from Judaism?

This same line: “It is We Who created you.”
Is found both in tanakh, Old Testament and quran, word for word!
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 10:59pm On Sep 07, 2022
haekymbahd:
Allah SWT said:

"And when the trumpet is blown,"
(QS. Al-Muddaththir 74: Verse cool

"That Day will be a difficult day"
(QS. Al-Muddaththir 74: Verse 9)

"For the disbelievers - not easy."
(QS. Al-Muddaththir 74: Verse 10)

"Leave Me with the one I created alone"
(QS. Al-Muddaththir 74: Verse 11)



"We" is used as a form of respect just as the Royal We. Allah who is one is the creator..

Who told you this, Sir? In what language is WE use as a sign of respect? in Yoruba or in Arabic?

saed , Mr.

ostaz,sir.

saeda, Ms.

ostaza , ma'am.

These are the words for respect in Arabic. The put in the Title. Not we

So who is Allah respecting when he referred to himself as WE?

Now, you are making it sound like this allah are polytheist even more.
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 11:09pm On Sep 07, 2022
Maynmann:

You are quoting the tanakh, which was copied into the Quran same way it was copied into Old Testament. Y’all are both worshipping Abrahamaic gods.
very good! So, do you now accept that the quran was copied and pasted and not a revelation from Jubril? Do you now see why Mohammed asked you to go to the christians to verify the truth?
Maynmann:
Read slowly.
You know both islam and Christianity creation story is gotten from Judaism?
Do you now believe in the account of creation in the Hebrew scriptures? I say this because Adam fell from heaven in Islam while Judaism believes that Adam was created here. Do you now accept Judaism as a pure religion?
secondly, Christianity does not have the story of creation. It was revealed in the Hebrew scriptures which is a part of the Bible today. Christians saved the ancient copies of the word of God but you guys did not save the qurans that was revealed thousands of years after the hebrews scriptures. Why?
Maynmann:
This same line: “It is We Who created you.”
Is found both in tanakh, Old Testament and tanakh, word for word!
Are you now endorsing the Tanakh? Are we here talking about the Tanakh or the quran? You see why Islam cannot stand without the Christians and the Jews? Do you see what you are doing now, always securing and anchor on the Christians and Jews for safe landing? Have you come to see why mohammed said that you should go to the Christians and the Jews to confirm your faith?
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 11:11pm On Sep 07, 2022
haekymbahd:
Allah SWT said:

"And when the trumpet is blown,"
(QS. Al-Muddaththir 74: Verse cool

"That Day will be a difficult day"
(QS. Al-Muddaththir 74: Verse 9)

"For the disbelievers - not easy."
(QS. Al-Muddaththir 74: Verse 10)

"Leave Me with the one I created alone"
(QS. Al-Muddaththir 74: Verse 11)

Allah SWT said:

"[So mention] when your Lord said to the angels, Indeed, I am going to create a human being from clay."
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 71)




"We" is used as a form of respect just as the Royal We. Allah who is one is the creator..
In the verses that you quoted above, was allah disrespectful when he used "I" rather than "we"?
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Maynmann: 11:16pm On Sep 07, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
very good! So, do you now accept that the quran was copied and pasted and not a revelation from Jubril? Do you now see why Mohammed asked you to go to the christians to verify the truth?
Do you now believe in the account of creation in the Hebrew scriptures? I say this because Adam fell from heaven in Islam while Judaism believes that Adam was created here. Do you now accept Judaism as a pure religion?
secondly, Christianity does not have the story of creation. It was revealed in the Hebrew scriptures which is a part of the Bible today. Christians saved the ancient copies of the word of God but you guys did not save the qurans that was revealed thousands of years after the hebrews scriptures. Why?
Are you now endorsing the Tanakh? Are we here talking about the Tanakh or the quran? You see why Islam cannot stand without the Christians and the Jews? Do you see what you are doing now, always securing and anchor on the Christians and Jews for safe landing? Have you come to see why mohammed said that you should go to the Christians and the Jews to confirm your faith?

The early and original New Testament created by the Chrestians called codex sinaiticus is the most doctored and edited document in history.
The father of judaism is abraham, and judaism uses torah which Chrestians call “Old Testament” before iesus chrestus was born.
what’s the verse where adam fell from heaven in islam and also the verse where “adam was created here”.
Christianity originates from Judaism.
The tanakh is also called the jewish bible, the Chrestians have their own called New Testament, Chrestians borrowed tanakh from Judaism and called it “Old Testament”.
Which Christians saved ancient words? Bwahahahah.
Most Israelite are judaist.
Where did mohammed say Muslims should go to “jews and Christians to confirm their faith.”

The irony of all these is how you are defending middle east gods, calling “hebrews and jews” as if y’all from the same lineage lol

You have forgotten both you and Muslims worship Abrahamaic gods? Why una dey fight?
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by haekymbahd(m): 11:23pm On Sep 07, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:

Who told you this, Sir? In what language is WE use as a sign of respect? in Yoruba or in Arabic?

saed , Mr.

ostaz,sir.

saeda, Ms.

ostaza , ma'am.

These are the words for respect in Arabic. The put in the Title. Not we

So who is Allah respecting when he referred to himself as WE?

Now, you are making it sound like this allah are polytheist even more.

Kindly explain why Elohim (plural) is used to refer to God and does it mean God is more than one?
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by haekymbahd(m): 11:40pm On Sep 07, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
In the verses that you quoted above, was allah disrespectful when he used "I" rather than "we"?
which of the 2 is disrespectful "Elohim" or "El"
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 4:33am On Sep 08, 2022
This logic is mediocre Sir.
We have jumped from We to Elohim. Elohim does not mean WE. The Bible constantly referred to anything as Elohim be it stone, wood, satan, or God. Elohim is a title not a name. It is a noun. We is a pronoun that represents a noun. So, they are entirely incomparable.
This is ridiculous that you do not know if your God is plural or respectful. Rather than paying attention to this, you are simply trying to tweak it to fit in your narrative. is hard now cos you are in between a rock and a hard surface. If I had asked a cheap question, you would have quickly posted a verse in the quran and insulted me and other christians. You are getting shocks in your spine now that I am sure by morning, you will be calling your mullah who in turn might be shitting his pile because the we is littered all over the quran. And, sadly, you cannot hide behind respect because Arabic is not Yoruba where you use respect to cover up lies.
Is allah we or I?
Allah said that WE created humans. He was the one talking in that context. Was he being respectful of allah or respectful of mohammed? When he didn't say "we" and said "I", was he being disrespectful?
When we he said WE, we means plurality. is he a polytheist?
haekymbahd:
which of the 2 is disrespectful "Elohim" or "El"

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Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 4:37am On Sep 08, 2022
haekymbahd:


Kindly explain why Elohim (plural) is used to refer to God and does it mean God is more than one?
Do you now accept that Hebrew is the language of the scriptures? We are talking about Arabic and you are jumping to Elohim and Hebrew. Can we stay in the language of the quran. You ain't got deflective spirit more than anyone else.

The topic is on the quran, on allah, and the question is, is allah a polytheist when he said WE created man? is he a triune god? Leave elohim outta here. We will delve into it when we get there.

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Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 4:48am On Sep 08, 2022
Sir, I am not in a fight with anyone. This is an intelligent conversation. I am not here to placate anyone or be obedient to any rule of thumb.

This question is about the quran but you have utterly derailed to Judaism. You know that Jews and Christians are called infidels yet you stick to their books to save your life. The same books that you claim are corrupted. You never fail to reach out to them for your soul.

Let the quran stand alone. Let the quran explain itself. Set aside those Tanakh and Judais. Abraham bruhaha. Let us Focus on the quran. From your questions below, it is very obvious that you do not even know your beliefs. You have no clue about the quran. You know nothing about islam.
Maynmann:


The early and original New Testament created by the Chrestians called codex sinaiticus is the most doctored and edited document in history.
The father of judaism is abraham, and judaism uses torah which Chrestians call “Old Testament” before iesus chrestus was born.
what’s the verse where adam fell from heaven in islam and also the verse where “adam was created here”.
Christianity originates from Judaism.
The tanakh is also called the jewish bible, the Chrestians have their own called New Testament, Chrestians borrowed tanakh from Judaism and called it “Old Testament”.
Which Christians saved ancient words? Bwahahahah.
Most Israelite are judaist.
Where did mohammed say Muslims should go to “jews and Christians to confirm their faith.”

The irony of all these is how you are defending middle east gods, calling “hebrews and jews” as if y’all from the same lineage lol

You have forgotten both you and Muslims worship Abrahamaic gods? Why una dey fight?
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by 43Ronin: 5:20am On Sep 08, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
Sir, I am not in a fight with anyone. This is an intelligent conversation. I am not here to placate anyone or be obedient to any rule of thumb.

This question is about the quran but you have utterly derailed to Judaism. You know that Jews and Christians are called infidels yet you stick to their books to save your life. The same books that you claim are corrupted. You never fail to reach out to them for your soul.

Let the quran stand alone. Let the quran explain itself. Set aside those Tanakh and Judais. Abraham bruhaha. Let us Focus on the quran. From your questions below, it is very obvious that you do not even know your beliefs. You have no clue about the quran. You know nothing about islam.

What that guy is trying to tell you is that there is no difference amongst the 3 religions. They are all tales by Jewish moonlight hence an error in juaism is also an error in christianity & Islam because Judaism gave birth to both christianity & Islam. Therefore no need

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Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 5:55am On Sep 08, 2022
I got the point already.
So, can we get down to the question?
Kindly tell me who the WE who created Man are.
43Ronin:


What that guy is trying to tell you is that there is no difference amongst the 3 religions. They are all tales by Jewish moonlight hence an error in juaism is also an error in christianity & Islam because Judaism gave birth to both christianity & Islam. Therefore no need
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:45am On Sep 08, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
I got the point already.
So, can we get down to the question?
Kindly tell me who the WE who created Man are.
Muslims will never oblige to this question because it exposes their god as not the same ONE Moses worshiped! Deuteronomy 6:4

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Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Maynmann: 6:46am On Sep 08, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
Sir, I am not in a fight with anyone. This is an intelligent conversation. I am not here to placate anyone or be obedient to any rule of thumb.

This question is about the quran but you have utterly derailed to Judaism. You know that Jews and Christians are called infidels yet you stick to their books to save your life. The same books that you claim are corrupted. You never fail to reach out to them for your soul.

Let the quran stand alone. Let the quran explain itself. Set aside those Tanakh and Judais. Abraham bruhaha. Let us Focus on the quran. From your questions below, it is very obvious that you do not even know your beliefs. You have no clue about the quran. You know nothing about islam.

what’s the verse where adam fell from heaven in islam and also the verse where “adam was created here” in judaism
What’s the verse where ONLY Christians and jews are called “infedels”, what are worshippers of other religion called?
Since you know alot about islam, provide verses where you saw all your claims, don’t tell me you are fabricating all these to defend your Israelite god and savior, yahweh.
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by haekymbahd(m): 8:46am On Sep 08, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:

Do you now accept that Hebrew is the language of the scriptures? We are talking about Arabic and you are jumping to Elohim and Hebrew. Can we stay in the language of the quran. You ain't got deflective spirit more than anyone else.

The topic is on the quran, on allah, and the question is, is allah a polytheist when he said WE created man? is he a triune god? Leave elohim outta here. We will delve into it when we get there.
is it that you haven't heared about the 'Royal We'

Allah uses we when referring to his majestic Nature. It is clear in the verse below that Allah alone created Man

"Leave Me with the one I created alone"
(QS. Al-Muddaththir 74: Verse 11)

Is it a must you worship Allah billions of people all over the world have accepted
him as their LORD. Whether you accept or not it still would not stop Allah (God) from being God. You have options why not just go for them and Leave Allah for Muslims (submitter to the will of God)


To end this on whether Allah consider himself to be a triune God this verse should. Allah is not a triune God

Allah SWT said:

"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, Three; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 171)
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 9:49am On Sep 08, 2022
Maynmann:


what’s the verse where adam fell from heaven in islam and also the verse where “adam was created here” in judaism
What’s the verse where ONLY Christians and jews are called “infedels”, what are worshippers of other religion called?
Since you know alot about islam, provide verses where you saw all your claims, don’t tell me you are fabricating all these to defend your Israelite god and savior, yahweh.
Please Sir, in the name of God, can we kindly focus on the question at hand. I will provide every single detail that you need. From the quran itself not the hadith.
Please, do not deviate or detract. We will treat each detail on a new thread.
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Maynmann: 9:52am On Sep 08, 2022
You derailed your own thread by lying.


Sixfiguresmart:
Please Sir, in the name of God, can we kindly focus on the question at hand. I will provide every single detail that you need. From the quran itself not the hadith.
Please, do not deviate or detract. We will treat each detail on a new thread.

Sop making false claims.
Your mouth was running earlier, now bring out the verse you dey shalaye since yesterday!
It seems you have to lie about other people’s religion to market yours.

what’s the verse where adam fell from heaven in islam and also the verse where “adam was created here” in judaism
What’s the verse where ONLY Christians and jews are called “infedels”, what are worshippers of other religions called?
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 10:02am On Sep 08, 2022
haekymbahd:
is it that you haven't heared about the 'Royal We'

Allah uses we when referring to his majestic Nature. It is clear in the verse below that Allah alone created Man

"Leave Me with the one I created alone"
(QS. Al-Muddaththir 74: Verse 11)

Is it a must you worship Allah billions of people all over the world have accepted
him as their LORD. Whether you accept or not it still would not stop Allah (God) from being God. You have options why not just go for them and Leave Allah for Muslims (submitter to the will of God)


To end this on whether Allah consider himself to be a triune God this verse should. Allah is not a triune God

Allah SWT said:

"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, Three; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 171)
Haha ludicrous indeed. You never cease to amaze me. The pluralism of allah.
You are the new allah who reinvents one to suit a context. You know this got you shot in the foot big league.

I am giving them more arsenals.
How yiu quickly posted a verse to exonerate allah who keeps creating a dent for you to patch.

Now, there is no single islamic, oriental or arabic context that uses we to stupefy one's majesty. Allah has 99 solid names with deep meanings in arabic. There is no addition or iteration that enunciates majesty by using nahnu in arabic text. In fact, it is an insult to use nahnu for majestical adulation.

To the arabs, identification is of utmost importance hence their names are attached to their ancestors. For example, Sheik, which is a majestical title, is added to a name and "bin" is added to it to assert the origin of a person. So, you hears names like shiekh khaldoun bin ahmed bin oman bin abdullah.

Those are iterated titular embodiments that projects one's majesty. Your buffonery is stupendous. Arabic, the language of the quran is not yoruba or nigeria origin. Your mentality is way contrasting compared to arabs. That's why you remain a slave and a fool in their midst.

Ever wondered why Solomon would marry a black Egyptian and none of the elite arabs ever marry an African?

Does allah lose his majesty when he quoted the above verse that you posted?

The name allah is attached to anothet majestical arabic word meaning akbar. This is why you scream allah akbar when you murder a kafr.

That akbar means that nothing is more majestical than allah. But then allah himself did not choose majesty for himself but ridicule, "we". Figure that!

Now, to your argument, why dont muslims refer to allah as THEY. To grace him equal majesty as he graces himself. You are stooping allah lower than other have done so far. Shame on you.
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 10:04am On Sep 08, 2022
Maynmann:
You derailed your own thread by lying.




Sop making false claims.
Your mouth was running earlier, now bring out the verse you dey shalaye since yesterday!
It seems you have to lie about other people’s religion to market yours.

what’s the verse where adam fell from heaven in islam and also the verse where “adam was created here” in judaism
What’s the verse where ONLY Christians and jews are called “infedels”, what are worshippers of other religions called?
I beg for your forgiveness. I am so sorry for derailing it.

Now, let us get back to the topic.

Will you refer to allah as THEY?

Is allah now THEY to you?
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Maynmann: 10:05am On Sep 08, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
I beg for your forgiveness. I am so sorry for derailing it.

Now, let us get back to the topic.

Will you refer to allah as THEY?

Is allah now THEY to you?

You derailed by lying.
So apologize for your lies, Christian.
Re: Is Allah A Trinity Or One? by Sixfiguresmart(m): 10:08am On Sep 08, 2022
MaxInDHouse:

Muslims will never oblige to this question because it exposes their god as not the same ONE Moses worshiped! Deuteronomy 6:4
They never saw this coming. Their buttholes are breathing now. The other guru who is AntiChristianity is gone to bed. Their scribes will be busy now reading and researching a way out. How to tweak and coin.

I wonder how their Jumaat is going to be today.

They have tried different tricks but none is solid enough. Some read up and decide to hide to let the topic die. Hahhahahaha bro i sit here laughing at the agony over there right now.

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