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Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by Kobojunkie: 2:53am On Sep 08, 2022 |
OkCornel:Regarding God's Throne, you should have read through Isaiah 60 for more. ... 09 The faraway lands are waiting for me. The great cargo ships are ready to sail. They are ready to bring your children from faraway lands. They will bring silver and gold with them to honor the Lord your God, the Holy One of Israel. He has done wonderful things for you.Also, how could there be two different sets of people from every tribe, every language, and every Nation serving God in the same Jerusalem abeg? |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 6:51am On Sep 08, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Read what you quoted. Where in Revelation 7 did John mention the uncountable multitude of great tribulation saints are only Israelites? Since you agreed the great tribulation will affect both Jews and Gentiles? Read revelation 7 v 9 and explain how the first resurrection will happen before the breaking of the 7th seal in Revelation chapter 8. Revelation 7 and Isaiah 60 have no correlation whatsoever. Kobojunkie, how can the uncountable multitude of the great tribulation saints be Israelites only since both Jews and Gentile believers will die in the great tribulation? I’m really enjoying this Israelites only first resurrection joke. |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 6:52am On Sep 08, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Isaiah’s prophecies was penned over 3000 years ago, so Isaiah 60 was fulfilled around that same time hmmm? |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 11:28am On Sep 08, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Isaiah 66 v 18-24; 18 “And I, because of what they have planned and done, am about to come and gather the people of all nations and languages, and they will come and see my glory. 19 “I will set a sign among them, and I will send some of those who survive to the nations—to Tarshish, to the Libyans and Lydians (famous as archers), to Tubal and Greece, and to the distant islands that have not heard of my fame or seen my glory. They will proclaim my glory among the nations. 20 And they will bring all your people, from all the nations, to my holy mountain in Jerusalem as an offering to the Lord—on horses, in chariots and wagons, and on mules and camels,” says the Lord. “They will bring them, as the Israelites bring their grain offerings, to the temple of the Lord in ceremonially clean vessels. 21 And I will select some of them also to be priests and Levites,” says the Lord. 22 “As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord, “so will your name and descendants endure. 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord. 24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.” The bolded parts are further evidence of a priesthood not limited to Israelites only. I’m itching to see you argue against prophet Isaiah Cc: Tctrills |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 11:31am On Sep 08, 2022 |
Last time I checked, “people of all tribes, nations and language” are not Israelites only All mankind are not Israelites only |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 11:36am On Sep 08, 2022 |
Isaiah 66 v 21 Commentary; And I will also take of them for priests That is, of the Gentiles, the brethren brought as an offering to the Lord; and therefore must respect Gospel times, when the Aaronic priesthood would be changed and cease, which admitted not of Gentiles, nor any of any other tribe in Israel, but the tribe of Levi; nor is this to be understood of the spiritual priesthood common to all believers, ( 1 Peter 2:5 1 Peter 2:9 ) ( Revelation 1:6 ) ( 5:10 ) since of those converted Gentiles brought, not all, but only some of them, would be taken for priests; and therefore can only be interpreted of the ministers of the word, who, in Old Testament language, are called priests, though never in the New Testament; but elders, bishops, overseers, pastors, and teachers. The first preachers of the Gospel were Jews, as the twelve apostles, the seventy disciples, Paul and Barnabas, and others; but when the Gospel was preached, and churches planted in the Gentile world, then priests, or pastors, or elders, were taken out from among them, and ordained over the churches everywhere; and which have continued, more or less, ever since; and will be more abundant in the latter day; whose work and office is not to offer up slain beasts, as the priests of old; but to point to the sacrifice of Christ, to the Lamb of God, that takes away the sins of men; and to teach the knowledge of crucified Christ, and the several doctrines and duties of the Christian religion, as the priests formerly taught the knowledge of the law, ( Malachi 2:7 ) : and for Levites, saith the Lord; this still more clearly shows that the prophecy belongs to the Gospel dispensation, and is to be understood figuratively and spiritually; for none but those of the tribe of Levi could be taken for Levites in a literal sense; but here Gentiles are said to be taken for such, and design men in Gospel churches. The Levites, as their name signifies, were such as were "joined" to others; they ministered to the priests, and assisted them, and had the charge of the temple, and the vessels of it, to whom deacons now answer; who are helps and assistants to the ministers of the word: their business is to serve tables, and to take care of the secular affairs of the church; so that this is a prophecy of the churches in the latter day being truly organized, and filled with proper officers, as well as with numerous members. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/isaiah-66-21.html%3Famp |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 12:05pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
Kobojunkie, is Melchizedek an Israelite? Hebrews 7 v 3; 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever. |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by AllenforGOD(m): 1:00pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
paxonel:why are u apparently perverting the gospel,as u can see what this is inculcating is adequate and fact. ^_^ <full stop> |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by Kobojunkie: 1:41pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
OkCornel:Because you are clearly told in that context that the multitude are those who will come from every tribe, every tongue and every Nation to worship God in His Holy Temple, day and night. Our those of God's Covenant are expected to do that. No other people's on the planet are required by God to do that. Same is revealed to you in Isaiah 60. |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by Kobojunkie: 1:44pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
OkCornel:Isaiah told you that what He said will take place when Jerusalem is become The City of God, the Holy One of Israel. John didn't indicate a when when he wrote what He did of the 144,000 but he did indicate the when of the multitude which happens to coincide with the time God will reign over Jerusalem and temple there for people to worship Him day and night in. |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by Kobojunkie: 2:52pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
OkCornel:I am afraid all you have done is selectively decide on only those aspects of the post which comply with your assumption ignoring the others who indicate otherwise. |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by Kobojunkie: 2:55pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
OkCornel:If they are all from all tribes, languages and nations, isn't that representative of all of mankind? But more importantly, the particular people we are focused on are those who will worship God day and night in His Temple at Jerusalem. Surely, you know that it's those who are of Israel that were mandated by God to worship Him in His temple? |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by Kobojunkie: 2:57pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
OkCornel:What has MELCHIZEDEK to do with the promise God made to israel in Exodus though? |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 3:44pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Is Melchizedek an Israelite? Yes or no. The scriptures states he is the priest of God forever! |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 3:47pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Nah, you’re deliberately ignoring the point. If according to you, only the Israelites will be Priests? Who is God choosing from to also be Priests and Levites in Isaiah 66 v 21? Remember, you said all the Israelites will be Priests hmmm? |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 3:50pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Nope, Isaiah 66 v 21 says God will choose Priests and Levites to serve in his temple? Why would God choose “SOME” Israelites since according to you, “ALL Israelites” are already Priests to serve God, hmmm? |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 3:52pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Isaiah 66 v 21 - Which population is God selecting SOME PEOPLE from to be priests and Levites, since according to you, all Israelites are going to God’s priests? Hmmm? |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by Kobojunkie: 3:55pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
OkCornel:You do know the difference between figurative language and clear speak, right? I ask this because what the writer of Hebrew uses an analogy there to sort of teach his Hebrew brethren who also happen to be believers there. |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 3:57pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Is Melchizedek a priest of God forever? Yes or No Is Melchizedek an Israelite? Yes or no. |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 3:59pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Are “Israelites” now representatives of people from all nations, tribes and languages in Isaiah 66? |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by Kobojunkie: 4:50pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
OkCornel:The scriptures do not state that. Instead, the writer of the letter to the Hebrews insists Melchizedek was a priest of God forever in what is an analogy. You do know that Abraham didn't in fact pay a tithe/tax, right? |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by Kobojunkie: 5:44pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
OkCornel:Let's both take a close look at what is really written in Isaiah 66 17 The Lord says, “These are the people who wash themselves and make themselves pure so that they can go into their special gardens to worship their idols. They follow each other into the gardens to eat meat from pigs, rats, and other dirty things. But they will all be destroyed together.1. I never said all Israelites are priests. 2. Probably from among some of the brothers and sisters, along with "the saved people". Again, recall the promise God made to Israel, and we know from scripture that God is a faithful God, He does not break Covenant. 3. Again, I didn't say all Israelites would be priests. |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by Kobojunkie: 5:49pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
OkCornel:Likely the population of saved people along with that which includes the brothers and sisters, but not those people. Recall that only those who are of the tribe of Levi are considered Levites. And the promise of priesthood which God made was to the promise to those of the line of Jacob, and God is a faithful God who does not break His Covenants. |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 6:14pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Read again, if ALL Israelites are going to be priests? From which population is God going to select “some people” as Priests and Levites per Isaiah 66 v 21? Obviously it’s the gentiles. Priesthood is not limited to Israel only. Melchizedek was not an Israelite, yet Hebrews 7 v 1-3 makes it clear that he is a priest forever. |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 6:20pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: But you said the passage below refers to Jewish believers only (which I disagree with anyways). So you’re telling us not everyone redeemed by the blood of the lamb will serve as God’s priests hmmm? Which is contrary to Revelation 5 v 10; Revelation 5 v 8-10; 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 6:22pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Is Melchizedek a priest of God forever? Yes or No Is Melchizedek an Israelite? Yes or No |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by Kobojunkie: 6:30pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
OkCornel:None of the claims you make here align with what I have stated or presented so far. so how do I process any of it? According to Genesis 14:18–20, Melchizedek was a king and priest. So, I don't understand your continued mention of Him in reference to God and His promise to Israel. |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 6:36pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Is Melchizedek a priest of God forever? Yes or No Is Melchizedek an Israelite? Yes or No |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by OkCornel(m): 6:39pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
Hebrews 7 v 1-3; 1. This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever. Kobojunkie, is Melchizedek the priest of the most high God forever? Is Melchizedek an Israelite? |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by paxonel(m): 6:56pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
AllenforGOD:Queen Elizabeth ll just died less than an hour ago, may her soul rest in peace! After that, life goes on forever, no end. God's kingdom on this earth has no end. Her death is the coming of Jesus to judge her. scripture says it is appointed ones for men to die, after that the judgement Full stop! Read your bible and think, Stop telling people lies |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by Kobojunkie: 7:10pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
OkCornel:We have yet to discuss Revelations 5 in this entire discourse, so how could I have said what you claim? Anyways, according to what is written in Revelations 5... 5 But one of the elders said to me, “Don’t cry! The Lion[a] from the tribe of Judah has won the victory. He is David’s descendant. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”I already explained that redemption does not take place until after one is dead and judged by God's Law. The people of old were required to first attain righteousness and then died in order to be rewarded with God's promise to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - they first had to die in their righteousness in order to obtain that reward. However, the Jews who believed in Jesus Christ, most all them sinners, were able to skate the righteous and death requirements as a result of the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made on their behalf. By believing in Jesus Christ, they automagically became righteous, and at the same time dead to the Old Law - Jesus Christ bought them their freedom from the heavy burden and yoke of the Old Law, by His blood sacrifice. And it is for this reason that these people are said to be bought/ransomed by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ from God's Old Law. So, what John wrote in Revelations 5 vs 10 is no different from what has been stated so far. Those who were bought by the blood of the passover lamb are those of Israelite descent who believed in Jesus Christ, and the ones God promised to make a Kingdom of Priests of. |
Re: Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, And by Kobojunkie: 7:11pm On Sep 08, 2022 |
OkCornel:1. Nope 2. Nope |
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