obaaderemi:
His country is sinking fast and he is worried about Nigeria. From a Hdi of 0.6 they slipped to 0.5. What a fall. Even Nigeria with it's chaotic north did not experience such a massive tumble. The funny thing was their denial when I showed them. First the rvp guy, then his slaves the transgendered and old man Kikuyu1. Then their deafening silence when the truth hit home. I see the transgendered is trying to debunk their slum data I posted. What an animal.

Here's another one, a clearer one at that. It may be 2014 but Kenya is the only country in Africa where the slum population is growing at over 5%

A classic zoo case.

I will drag that hid with him. I remember his saying the official of those report are incompetent to place certain countries over them in hdi.
Just imagine, so he is more knowledgeable than them and their analysis doesn’t count for Kenya when it’s bad but counts for Nigeria when it’s bad.

kikuyu1:


When,how and why did I become a tranny?

You are not the tranny, the tranny knows himself.

It doesnt matter the capturer. You wont ride in Dangote private jet just like I wont ride in a Kenyan indian jet. What matters is the millions of kenyans and Nigerians. Are they getting value for money? Is the economy working for them or a select few.

obaaderemi:
Let Dangote capture Nigeria. He is a Nigerian. That's still better than Indians capturing Kenya, enjoying the best of Kenya while you the owners live in slums.

samorobo:


A classic zoo case.

I will drag that hid with him. I remember his saying the official of those report are incompetent to place certain countries over them in hdi.
Just imagine, so he is more knowledgeable than them and their analysis doesn’t count for Kenya when it’s bad but counts for Nigeria when it’s bad.

That's the problem I have with them. When the data goes against them they tell you it's manipulated. One of them, the transgendered I recall, actually said it was a Nigerian who fixed the data.

rvp2018:
It doesnt matter the capturer. You wont ride in Dangote private jet just like I wont ride in a Kenyan indian jet. What matters is the millions of kenyans and Nigerians. Are they getting value for money? Is the economy working for them or a select few.

We will get value for this.

Take for example, your ailing airline. Why is it still flying and wasting tax payers money when it should have been allowed to drop from the skies years ago?

samorobo:

Wtf!!!!!!!!

That man is probably new here.

You're wrong.
1) Biggest problem with Nigeria downstream sector is FUEL SUBSIDY - that will always lead to problems including shortage. Kenya tried it this year and for the first time ever we saw Nigeria like queue. It was surreal. The best way to distribute money back to Nigeria is through roads, schools, hospitals and security for all. Not by using 1/3 of the budget to subsidize petrol for people who own cars or any mechanical motor.

2) Of course, it a huge shame that you cannot refine your crude oil - and capture more value from it - but ITS NOT a panacea to the problems facing Nigeria.

3) Upstream - production is falling - despite high prices - after years of under-investment and insecurity. How will Dangote fix this? When he is likely to even want to buy crude below the market price. Nigeria has unmet crude oil market - first with US through AGOA and with huge quotas at OPEC it can no longer meet.

4) Dangote and Nothern Elite economic capture of Nigeria just got a tighter grip with that oil refinery. What you're doing protecting Dangote and few elite businesses so as to save forex from rice, sugar, cement and oil - is CREATING poverty - if Dangote doesnt become efficient. Asian tigers protected their countries infant industries for a period of 5-10yrs - then they were expected to compete - with international companies.

Why for example do you still ban the import of bagged cement - what - 20yrs later? Dangote has gone international - yet you still ban cheaper cement - that mean domestic cement production is not working - it still inefficient - and is costing the economy.

obaaderemi:
If I couldn't stand criticism why am I still engaging you in spite of your numerous bloopers, improprieties and total lack of etiquette? I would never be caught dead quoting idiots like the suffering man, gallipig, the transgendered and others like them. Why? The only thing they do well is insult, not to talk of their parochial and childish attitudes. You can't learn nada from what they post. That's not criticism, that's just pure fault-finding. Sensible people ignore such animals.

Having said this, the Dangote refinery is not what you wish it to be. You wish Kenya had something like that, I'm sure. That's why you keep attacking a project that has been taunted as a panacea to Nigeria's fuel problems. We will be able to stop importation of petroleum products and jobs will be created. There will be multiplier effects too. Then forex will be saved. We will no longer have queues at filling stations, I can go on and on. What about exports? The benefits are many. Just look at it with an open mind. At least we believe you are smarter than the types of suffering man and gallipig.

KQ was profitable before it run into head winds about 10yrs ago - Ruto gov has given it 2 more years - because most of the problem are really managerial - nothing wrong with fundamentals. If after 2yrs it wont be profitable - gov will exit.

KQ is a strategic asset for kenya because our horticulture sector need a reliable airline to fly flowers and vegies to Europe on a daily basis.

obaaderemi:
We will get value for this.
Take for example, your ailing airline. Why is it still flying and wasting tax payers money when it should have been allowed to drop from the skies years ago?

Westlands

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rvp2018:
It doesnt matter the capturer. You wont ride in Dangote private jet just like I wont ride in a Kenyan indian jet. What matters is the millions of kenyans and Nigerians. Are they getting value for money? Is the economy working for them or a select few.

And who are you to dictate to us if the refinery would add value or not?

rvp2018:
It doesnt matter the capturer. You wont ride in Dangote private jet just like I wont ride in a Kenyan indian jet. What matters is the millions of kenyans and Nigerians. Are they getting value for money? Is the economy working for them or a select few.

Pls let dangote capture Nigeria as much as he likes. He is one of the largest employers of labor in not just Nigeria but Africa. The whole of africa can’t even wait for the multiplier effect(jobs) this refinery will bring.

Be worried Indians are capturing your zoo, a Nigerian capturing Nigeria should be the least of your problems.

Shma2022:

Sammy == sally.
Sally was you, not me.

Bwoy, reduce fantasies. This is not ghana where currency is about to go to garbage can.

American tech giant Google is investing in its first-ever Africa product development hub in Nairobi as part of the tech firm's Sh115.5 billion investment on the continent over the next five years.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cniC73Kf6M


No investors will choose your zoo over Kenya. Go slow on adulterated, dude.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc_G7w9cjVw

Zombie, we have more than 10 buildings 30+fls currently under construction. The last time I checked, your tallest building is still the ugly Necom. In Nairobi, tallest buildings keep changing. I know you don't have a cue of what I'm talking about cos your brain is glued on govnt spending on infrastructure.
Kenya is not a zoo .

you guys are something else, honestly speaking. So because google opened it's first product development center in kenya mean no investor will choose other nations over kenya

But the same google choosed Nigeria over kenya in 2020 when it opened it's African development space in Lagos and inherently choosed Ghana over kenya in 2019, when it opened it's first African artificial lab in Accra.

These companies are building ecosystems in the continent, from cape town to Cairo but u thought their activity is centered around Nairobi that's what we call ignorance.

obaaderemi:
That's the problem I have with them. When the data goes against them they tell you it's manipulated. One of them, the transgendered I recall, actually said it was a Nigerian who fixed the data.

Even if it’s was a Nigerian that made the list ,does it’s mean the Nigerian would be deceitful to Kenyans. 90% of Nigerians probably don’t even know of Kenya if if they exist. The fools are judging based on our engagement on this thread.

theenchanter:
you guys are something else, honestly speaking. So because google opened it's first product development center in kenya mean no investor will choose other nations over kenya

But the same google choosed Nigeria over kenya in 2020 when it opened it's African development space in Lagos and inherently choosed Ghana over kenya in 2019, when it opened it's first African artificial lab in Accra.

These companies are building ecosystems in the continent, from cape town to Cairo but u thought their activity is centered around Nairobi that's what we call ignorance.

They are all close-minded and I can’t stand them . All of them,not one is spared. Must be a kenyan thing.

obaaderemi:
That man is probably new here.

Exactly.
I don’t want to say too much,but he will learn soon enough.

rvp2018:
You're wrong.
1) Biggest problem with Nigeria downstream sector is FUEL SUBSIDY - that will always lead to problems including shortage. Kenya tried it this year and for the first time ever we saw Nigeria like queue. It was surreal. The best way to distribute money back to Nigeria is through roads, schools, hospitals and security for all. Not by using 1/3 of the budget to subsidize petrol for people who own cars or any mechanical motor.

2) Of course, it a huge shame that you cannot refine your crude oil - and capture more value from it - but ITS NOT a panacea to the problems facing Nigeria.

3) Upstream - production is falling - despite high prices - after years of under-investment and insecurity. How will Dangote fix this? When he is likely to even want to buy crude below the market price. Nigeria has unmet crude oil market - first with US through AGOA and with huge quotas at OPEC it can no longer meet.

4) Dangote and Nothern Elite economic capture of Nigeria just got a tighter grip with that oil refinery. What you're doing protecting Dangote and few elite businesses so as to save forex from rice, sugar, cement and oil - is CREATING poverty - if Dangote doesnt become efficient. Asian tigers protected their countries infant industries for a period of 5-10yrs - then they were expected to compete - with international companies.

Why for example do you still ban the import of bagged cement - what - 20yrs later? Dangote has gone international - yet you still ban cheaper cement - that mean domestic cement production is not working - it still inefficient - and is costing the economy.

My guy dangote refinery which is the world largest refinery would put our economy on steroid. The massive economic ripple effect can’t be fathomed. The entire world is waiting for it.

Convince me otherwise if you can.

Fourpockets:

Honestly, if it comes to tall buildings, I'll give Kenya that because building tall in Nigeria is not profitable since people don't like living in tall buildings in Nigeria, people rather live in a House with fence and with a large compound so high rise buildings arent worth it here

You're spot on.

Land in Nairobi is too expensive. You can imagine buying an acre of land for a whopping $3M and then setting a value insubstantial two floors house! It's a waste of money right? Unless you're a dollar billionaire who wants a quiet life within the CBD.

Nairobi being guided by strong zoning laws, we can't allow skyscrapers to pop up in residential areas. No resident will grant you approval. Skyscrapers are only sprawling in 3CBDs: Downtown, upperhill, and westlands. Recently; kilimani joined the league.

For the high-end tycoons; posh areas like Karen, Runda, kileleshwa, Roseline, MUTHAIGA, Lavington, etc are part of their dwelling hood.

In short, we have different tastes. We build skyscrapers for economic value.

theenchanter:
you guys are something else, honestly speaking. So because google opened it's first product development center in kenya mean no investor will choose other nations over kenya

But the same google choosed Nigeria over kenya in 2020 when it opened it's African development space in Lagos and inherently choosed Ghana over kenya in 2019, when it opened it's first African artificial lab in Accra.

These companies are building ecosystems in the continent, from cape town to Cairo but u thought their activity is centered around Nairobi that's what we call ignorance.

I'm addressing the status quo, gleaning from the ignorant post received from the famous grand olodo.

samorobo:



Get a grip of yourself sally, there is nothing to compare here with your zoo.
Just pray for construction and stop piggybacking on your past. Investors have stayed away with their monies. Once this ugly structure is completed, you will be lucky to get even a 15flrs construction unlike your suppose counterpart LAGOS.

Shma2022:

I'm addressing the status quo, gleaning from the ignorant post received from the famous grand olodo.

And so what has that got to with google and Microsoft opening hub in Kenya and not in Nigeria (even though they are already here) or Nigeria not getting any investment(even though our fdi both oil and non oil is bigger than yours by far).


And btw I was talking about the real estate sector in context,and what I said is true- prove me wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYjtzkkhPlE

Kenya's President calls for Borderless Africa to facilitate Regional Free Trade

Nigerian Agriculture in Kano is fvcking big and employs so many people. Just too informal and lacking infrastructure for widespread distribution. Here in this video, we hear from these small scale manufacturers that many produce are also distributed to Cameroon, Niger, Chad etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79gWKeZCnso

. Nairaland bots easily banning my account.

GeneralDae2:
Nigerian Agriculture in Kano is fvcking big and employs so many people. Just too informal and lacking infrastructure for widespread distribution. Here in this video, we hear from these small scale manufacturers that many produce are also distributed to Cameroon, Niger, Chad etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79gWKeZCnso

Nigeria is a huge country and the people are very enterprising, from south to north, east to west and in-between. The Nigerian economy is larger than believed. What a serious government needs to do is fix security in the north and east corridor, and do something tangible about electricity. And also fix education in the north. The missing link in Nigeria's quest for development is the north.

I dont see how this is big. it's chaotic mess. You gov need to encourage farmers to belong to cooperatives and the cooperative to build silos - and assist in proper marketting of their produces.

Kenya has National Cereals Produce board that has silos all over the country - it not functioning well but it way ahead of nigeria

The same is replicated in tea, coffee, etc.

You need formalized marketing boards..hopefully run as cooperatives that aggregates smallholder farmers.. that not only meet the local needs but the export of these products...not flea markets like these.

Ghana has good Cocoa board.....it just a shame Ghana gov sometimes uses it as collateral to borrow money

GeneralDae2:
Nigerian Agriculture in Kano is fvcking big and employs so many people. Just too informal and lacking infrastructure for widespread distribution. Here in this video, we hear from these small scale manufacturers that many produce are also distributed to Cameroon, Niger, Chad etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79gWKeZCnso

PRESIDENT RUTO says his government will explore raising financing for State projects at the NSE as opposed to borrowing from external markets. http:///3EAZAem


One of Uhuru failure was not use the Nairobi Stock Exchange to raise financing for gov. Ruto is keep to change this...and today rung the NSE bell.

rvp2018:
I dont see how this is big. it's chaotic mess. You gov need to encourage farmers to belong to cooperatives and the cooperative to build silos - and assist in proper marketting of their produces.

Kenya has National Cereals Produce board that has silos all over the country - it not functioning well but it way ahead of nigeria

The same is replicated in tea, coffee, etc.

You need formalized marketing boards..hopefully run as cooperatives that aggregates smallholder farmers.. that not only meet the local needs but the export of these products...not flea markets like these.

Ghana has good Cocoa board.....it just a shame Ghana gov sometimes uses it as collateral to borrow money

I agree. However, this grain business is still big because it is situated in the second most populated state in Nigeria with around 20 million people and majority are employed by these and other agricultural activities.
Textile is also big in this state employing millions but informal trade as well.

Nigeria dont screw this opportunity. Please elect this man - Peter Obi - and let him assemble the likes of Ngozi - to fix Nigeria. Otherwise you're DONE KAPUT.
https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2022/10/10/peter-obi-a-man-who-carries-his-own-suitcases-could-be-nigerias-next-president

As public campaigning was about to begin in late September, Nigeria was rocked by the release of three polls showing Mr Obi well ahead of the two candidates representing the main parties that have mis-ruled Nigeria since the restoration of its democracy in 1999. In two of the polls Mr Obi has a lead of more than 15 percentage points over Bola Tinubu, of the incumbent All Progressives Congress (APC), and Atiku Abubakar of the People’s Democratic Party (PDP), the main opposition. What makes this even more extraordinary is that Mr Obi is standing for the Labour Party, whose candidate at the previous presidential election in 2019 won just 5,074 votes out of 28m cast.

rvp2018:
PRESIDENT RUTO says his government will explore raising financing for State projects at the NSE as opposed to borrowing from external markets. http:///3EAZAem


One of Uhuru failure was not use the Nairobi Stock Exchange to raise financing for gov. Ruto is keep to change this...and today rung the NSE bell.

Maybe due to these sentiments your NSE market reacted yesterday as it gained around 2% for the trading day (if I'm not mistaken). But your market really suffered this year though due to capital flights and all that.

It's hard to tell how big or small it is because it's chaotic informal unhygenic mess. It cannot grow. It will remain anemic. Nigeria cannot export their produce if they continue like this. Worldwide farmer cooperatives are key. China has giant coop - Supplies and something. India has gigantic one for milk. Kenya is big in cooperatives. And Ruto is going even big on this. You have to formalize the supply chain.

GeneralDae:

I agree. However, this grain business is still big because it is situated in the second most populated state in Nigeria with around 20 million people and majority are employed by these and other agricultural activities.
Textile is also big in this state employing millions but informal trade as well.

rvp2018:
It's hard to tell how big or small it is because it's chaotic informal unhygenic mess. It cannot grow. It will remain anemic. Nigeria cannot export their produce if they continue like this.

The population involved in such businesses and the constant trading activities makes it big irrespective of it's informal status.

How do you know apart from rough guestimation what got sold or bought and for how much - you need a percentage of this formally marketted.

GeneralDae:

The population involved in such businesses and the constant trading activities makes it big irrespective of it's informal status.