raumdeuter:


Not only will Obi win Oyo, he will get more than the combined PDP and APC votes in Oyo State

GloriousGbola:





you know nothing, jon snow.

my original decision to ignore you was the right one. the best one can get from you is obi levels of ignorance

EVERYBODY's hand is in oil theft


it has been amusing watching some posters run around like headless chickens because a picture of a tapped pipeline was posted to SM.
tony elumelu has been crying about oil theft for the past 2 years. google capital of oil theft and you will see articles going back to 2013.

oil theft and pipeline vandalization predated gej - but gej made a fantastically bad decision when he gave ex miltants pipeline protection contracts - he gave them the map of nigerias oil pipelines

that map has probably been disseminated copied and shared everywhere - so a smart person will know ehere to tap from

everything issue in nigeria is really a question of will - which can be compromised because everyones hand is in it

politicians, communities, oil workers, military

you cannot do any work in any ND community without first settling them. do you actually think i can go to the vicinity of a pipeline, amend and adjust it without first engaging the village chiefs?

on the side of the oil companies, they are fully aware their lines are being tapped, but they have accepted there is nothing they can do about it. same way ekedc and co know people are stealing electricity. these industries take metering seriously. there is no way you will not see the losses along the line during reconciliation

same goes for evacuation. take your small vessel through any waterway in the ND and you will be immediately accosted by different vigilante, military , community etc . there is no way you can move a tanker through nigerias waters without multiple monitoring parties being aware.

there was a thread some years back in politics where a vessel stealing product caught fire and burned for several days. it wsas there all over SM, in plain sight and nothing happened.

you saw the ship paraded by team Tompolo? that is one of several issues - person did not settle , or Tompolo wants to get into the good graces of the govt as there is now small SM noise about oil theft. it is also ironic because the last i checked, Tompolo is a wanted Fugitive, but what do i Know?



when you say cost of governance, what do you mean? you think obi can cut the bloated salaries of NASS? how? or will he scrap government parastatls? or cut staff? believe it or not, corruption in the civil service started with muritala mohammed when he arbitarily sacked several levels of the civil service. those who survived the purges saw the fates of their ogas and started stealing to hedge against the same thing happening to them. i have an idea of one of the things that needs to be done with regards to cost of governance, but how such can be adopted in nigerian civil service remains to be seen

let him cut subsidy, and all you shiny eyed youths will turn on him faster than you did on gej - especially after he deploys the same police and soldiers to keep the peace. it is always amusing hearing people say cut subsidy cut subsidy. aviation is dead in nigeria because kerosene s not subsidized . cost of food stuffs and business operations has gone up because diesel is n750 or more. what do you think will happen to cost of transport, cost of operations of small businesses, and the knock on effect? you starry eyed obidienst will be the first to start sharing petrol was 165 now 800.

ironically the issue of subsidy is another issue of will. one we thought buhari would be able to sort as he had no business ties to hold him. but he had tribaistic ties. but as buhari could not even get ONE person or entity punished for the adulterated fuel that crippled this nation - here we are

talk with people in the industry and they will tell you product is being diverted to niger and other countries. but it is the same issue. everyone along the line is compromised. military, customs.

the short term solution is to get a buba marwa /dora akunyuli type boss for most of these regulatory govt organs. one who has the character and discipline to get the job done and not get greedy.

i do not expect any coherent responses from you - but please have a go all the same.

izzou:


I really don't want to ask further, because its your opinion, and not Obi

But to be very honest, this man has no plans YET.

The only thing that makes him better than the rest is that they haven't said anything too.

But to be honest, we are heading for another E be like say (2 face feat Soul E) tenure.

liveLongNprospa:


What would you consider a plan?

Lets be honest, would you know the scope of the problem fully without proper access?
The government is known for propaganda and I don't expect OBI or even atiku to provide a proper solution until they are inside.

So let's wait.. Atleast he was the first presidential candidate amongst the main 2 (him and atiku ) to talk about the fact government is responsible for stealing oil.


Campaign just started and he'll talk more about it.
God will keep us till then

liveLongNprospa:


Every single thing you've said is public knowledge of the issue.

There is no solving of the problem if the people put in place do not take responsibility or consequences are not dished out to them.

So you blame GEJ for showing these boys our maps ND yet we didn't witness this level of stealing with the same GEJ government till he left.


So what exactly have you said that is a solution unlike what I said?

At this point you should have ignored me sef because you just typed plenty known rubbish...

So you blame GEJ for showing these boys our maps ND yet we didn't witness this level of stealing with the same GEJ government till he left.

izzou:


If you don't know Nigeria's problem before being inside, you really should not be there.

All i see is a man who would get there, and begin to sing the problems for the next 8 years (We have seen this movie before)

Obi is not coming to solve anything, my brother

GloriousGbola:





like i said - you know nothing

https://thenationonlineng.net/shell-we-lost-over-50m-to-oil-thieves-vandals-in-2014-2/

i told you to google nigeria oil theft, but as expected you are just waffling, falling over yourself in excitement because you are just becoming aware of a problem that has bedeviled the oil industry for the past decade.

nigeria has been designated in foreign journals as the world capital of oil theft for several years.

as others with more thinking than you have pointed out, it is a multifaceted issue involving communities, crooked business men, oil workers, security agencies .

but like Obi - your answer to the issue is a two liner - because like obi - you think it begins and ends with tapping from an oil pipeline.


at least there were no silly smileys this time. maybe you're actually attempting to grow up.

liveLongNprospa:



Read what I wrote again.. I never said he doesn't know anything.. I said he would know everything when he gets in.. I have gone on to say this campaign is 4months long and he will talk more on these issues.

But if you honestly believe the man who is known to cut and save like a stingy person won't do anything.. Then I'd advice you don't bother having this convo coz it seems you are convinced Nigeria is doomed..

So I can't help you .

When you think the country has hope then come back and have a conversation with me

liveLongNprospa:


Again you have not said anything that's not known.

During PDP, boys dey go vandalise pipelines normally and yet our general production of crude still didn't fall below the 2m barrels daily on average.

Oga if you are not coming to this convo with something new then abeg shift ..

Incase you need a reminder look at the image below

izzou:


I actually don't hold you responsible for Obi's plans so i won't debate with you. You are just like me; people hoping to be served.

But if you really think the problem of oil theft can be solved by Investigation and Addressing, then i really cant help you

This is an old doc of oil thefts in the SS. Almost everybody has their hands in the cookie jar. Even the bunkerers go as far as Cotonou to sell it, as it is a more profitable market.

I am not even a president, but there are enough answers everywhere and on the streets to work with, yet Obi needs to go in first, before he has answers.

I have seen this movie before. It was in 2015 i watched it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OfHGtSkZG8

liveLongNprospa:


You should probably go read what I wrote when I first replied you.
Everything you've said is known but yet we don't know all the players.

Since APC came in, we have gone below what we produce... How is that possible.. Doesn't that tell you and every other person that APC took this level of crude stealing to a different level...


In August we lost a whopping 3million barrels...
For the first time since civilian rule we didn't make a dime from oil boom..

Even the people that steal have not seen this level of oil stealing before.

Izzou how is that hard for you to understand?

izzou:


I actually don't hold you responsible for Obi's plans so i won't debate with you. You are just like me; people hoping to be served.

But if you really think the problem of oil theft can be solved by Investigation and Addressing, then i really cant help you

This is an old doc of oil thefts in the SS. Almost everybody has their hands in the cookie jar. Even the bunkerers go as far as Cotonou to sell it, as it is a more profitable market.

I am not even a president, but there are enough answers everywhere and on the streets to work with, yet Obi needs to go in first, before he has answers.

I have seen this movie before. It was in 2015 i watched it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OfHGtSkZG8

izzou:


You are repeating the problem, again and again.

I am asking for the solution....And the solution you gave me is to repeat the problem.

Your next quote will be to repeat the problem again. Just watch

liveLongNprospa:


I gave you few solutions I think and told you that he would get into government to fully understand the scale of this current oil stealing.

This is not like what anyone has done before.
Buhari na minister of Petroleum and till now we are only just knowing about the levels of stealing going on.

Tony Elumelu came on twitter to scream because my guy was wondering how field that was suppose to produce 200k BD was losing over 80%.

Let nobody lie to you. This level of oil theft is unprecedented

izzou:


And thats why i dont want us to debate about anything: It is your solution.

But if a presidential hopeful is waiting to win before he knows the solution, we are heading for another disaster.

Like i said, i have seen this movie before

izzou:


And thats why i dont want us to debate about anything: It is your solution.

But if a presidential hopeful is waiting to win before he knows the solution, we are heading for another disaster.

Like i said, i have seen this movie before

liveLongNprospa:
You complain about the cost of government.. But you still say its impossible to cut the same cost of governance.. So wtf are you complaining in the first place..are you not a mad person?


We talked about something as simple as salaries of the nass members.
Or the government agencies and parastatals that don't remit anything reasonable.

izzou:


And thats why i dont want us to debate about anything: It is your solution.

But if a presidential hopeful is waiting to win before he knows the solution, we are heading for another disaster.

Like i said, i have seen this movie before

nihilistjnr:


If you knew anything about your country, you would understand why cutting salaries of NASS members is anything but simple.
The Nigerian Constitution as defined by the NASS you're talking about said this about their Renumeration Package

"A member of the Senate or of the House of Representatives shall receive such salary and other allowances as Revenue Mobilisation Allocation and Fiscal Commission may determine" - Nigerian Constitution chapter 5-part 1 section 70
http://www.nigeria-law.org/ConstitutionOfTheFederalRepublicOfNigeria.htm

In other words the only body that can define NASS Salary by law is RMAFC

Now, RMAFC members comprise of
(a) a Chairman; and
(b) one member from each State of the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja who in opinion of President are persons of unquestionable integrity with requisite qualification and experience.

By virtue of Sections 154(1) and 156(3) of the 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria (As Amended), Members of the Commission are appointed by the President subject to the confirmation of the Senate for a period of five (5) years
https://rmafc.gov.ng/establishing-law/

Essentially, NASS determine who can set their salary, not the President. So how is President Obi going to get NASS to agree to cut down on their wages?

If you spent more time actually understanding the huge mess facing that country, instead of training your gag reflex on virtual phallus, maybe you would be able to understand why a lot of us here are not buying Obi's middling soundbites.

nihilistjnr:


Presidential Hopeful cannot proffer any solutions because there are none to offer.

How can Obi say what he intends to do when he doesnt have a single LP member in NASS. Not one.
It was in front of our eyes that Saraki delayed Buhari's annual budged for almost 8 months.
Like where do you even start from?

Obi knows this and what he's hoping to do is to freestyle and inshallah hoping he gets there and finds a way to roku something.

liveLongNprospa:


Every single thing you've said is public knowledge of the issue.

There is no solving of the problem if the people put in place do not take responsibility or consequences are not dished out to them.

So you blame GEJ for showing these boys our maps ND yet we didn't witness this level of stealing with the same GEJ government till he left.


So what exactly have you said that is a solution unlike what I said?

At this point you should have ignored me sef because you just typed plenty known rubbish...

GloriousGbola:





like i said - you know nothing

https://thenationonlineng.net/shell-we-lost-over-50m-to-oil-thieves-vandals-in-2014-2/

i told you to google nigeria oil theft, but as expected you are just waffling, falling over yourself in excitement because you are just becoming aware of a problem that has bedeviled the oil industry for the past decade.

nigeria has been designated in foreign journals as the world capital of oil theft for several years.

as others with more thinking than you have pointed out, it is a multifaceted issue involving communities, crooked business men, oil workers, security agencies .

but like Obi - your answer to the issue is a two liner - because like obi - you think it begins and ends with tapping from an oil pipeline.


at least there were no silly smileys this time. maybe you're actually attempting to grow up.

nihilistjnr:


Presidential Hopeful cannot proffer any solutions because there are none to offer.

How can Obi say what he intends to do when he doesnt have a single LP member in NASS. Not one.
It was in front of our eyes that Saraki delayed Buhari's annual budged for almost 8 months.
Like where do you even start from?

Obi knows this and what he's hoping to do is to freestyle and inshallah hoping he gets there and finds a way to roku something.

BlueRayDick:


Really ? Even if what he does belabors the state financially ? So u are saying u are cool with the idea of a Governor who has less than 6 months to rule appointing 14,000 "advisers" that will have to draw compensation from the state purse ?

There should be a distinction between playing party politics and actual governance , I know u like him as ur governor but trust me when I say he would've been a terrible president. He would've been Jonathan Promax

nihilistjnr:


Presidential Hopeful cannot proffer any solutions because there are none to offer.

How can Obi say what he intends to do when he doesnt have a single LP member in NASS. Not one.
It was in front of our eyes that Saraki delayed Buhari's annual budged for almost 8 months.
Like where do you even start from?

Obi knows this and what he's hoping to do is to freestyle and inshallah hoping he gets there and finds a way to roku something.

Theflint1:
Bros you really do have time on your hands, na you no know their strategy dey answer dem. Fencists or those trying to form some kind of funny objectivity are the most annoying I swear. It's 4 months to the election and till today we haven't heard anything from Tinubu yet these guys will come here and start nitpicking on Peter Obi's talks...you really get time dey answer dem I swear. At this point, everyone should do what pleases them...it's very very obvious that those supporting Tinubu are doing so because of one form of bias or the other...all this talk of objectivity na scope. A candidate that has been either showing obvious signs of ill health, out of the country or have as his major highlights him attacking opponents or parties is who these guys are propping up yet with Peter Obi na there dem go remember say dem sabi objectivity...clowns.

Last time Tinubu was out, his major talking point was saying those asking for a change should be told to shut up...no plans, no talk on strategy, nothing, just vibes and crass bahavior from a man well into his 70's.

Bros, forget objectivity, all these objevtivity dem dey form na just scope.

izzou:


We are fcked in this country.

Seriously, irredeemably fcked

BlueRayDick:
https://www.nairaland.com/7378065/wike-appoints-14000-advisers-359

There’s something that puts someone off about this Wike guy . Niggggga spent most of his days as governor attacking buhari and the north ( irrespective of the party card they were carrying at that time; APC or PDP) , the north showed him pepper at the primaries and all he has at his disposal is to chop and chop more before he leaves the center stage .

Honestly Nigeria as a whole dodged a bullet having someone like him on the ballot .

Imagine a governor leaving his office in less than a year appointing 14,000 aides who will get paid one way or another . This guy would’ve been a menace at the national level. We would’ve wished for a rebirth of Jonathan presidency under him sef If by chance he becomes president

obainojazz:
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