OkCornel:


Someone clearly ignored the trumpet call in 1 Thessalonians and Matthew 24 which is eerily similar. Or the gathering of the elect/resurrection of the saints in both books.

The fraudulent pretribulation rapture doctrine sells the lie that believers (partakers of the first resurrection) would be resurrected before the great tribulation.

Whereas Revelation 20 v 1-4 clearly shows the resurrection of the saints would happen after the great tribulation/Armageddon.

Why all the lies and deceit for goodness sakes?

Anyways Jesus and Paul warned believers not to be deceived…so, certain false teachers gotta prove Jesus right after all.

OkCornel:


Where did Apostle Paul or Peter mention believers will participate in the day of the Lord from heaven?

Ken4Christ:


Apostle Paul and Peter certainly did not know everything. But it is revealed in the scripture;

Jude 14-15.
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh WITH TEN THOUSANDS OF HIS SAINTS,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Revelation 19:11-14
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And THE ARMIES WHICH WERE IN HEAVEN FOLLOWED HIM upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Ken4Christ:


There are two major raptures revealed in the Bible. There is a third one that has to do with the two witnesses in Revelation 11.

There are two separate major resurrection also of the saints. There is a third one that has to do with the two witnesses in Revelation 11.

There are two great tribulation periods.

The first has to do with the present church which are of the Gentile nations.

The second has to do with the Jews.

This revelation seems bigger than what you can assimilate. But it is true and I have scriptures to back them up.

Ken4Christ:


The event of 1st Thessalonians and Matthew 24 is not the same.

1. In 1st Thessalonians, Jesus will not be seen visibly by the people of the earth. The saints will be caught up to meet him in the air. In Matthew 24, Jesus will be seen visibly.

2. There is no such thing as the sun turning black and the moon turning red in 1st Thessalonians.

3. 1st Thessalonians is the rapture of the church. Matthew 24 is the second coming of Christ and the rapture of the elect of the Jews which is 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 7.

OkCornel:


Where exactly did Jesus or the Apostles teach about two different raptures?

Where did Apostle John mention anything about raptured Christians in heaven before the great tribulation?

Show me the verse(s).

By the way, you mentioned the "first rapture" has to do with the gentile nations. Are you implying Jewish believers i.e. the Apostles of Christ (Peter, Andrew, James, John, Judas, James the Less, Nathaniel, Phillip, Paul, dead believers of the Jerusalem church) would not partake in this?

Jewish Christians today will not partake in this "first rapture" going by this joke of yours.

Guy, stop this joke. You are taking it too far...

Jokerman:


They are the same two.... 1 Thess describes how the rapture will be, Matthew 24,gives time

Ken4Christ:


I insist that the present church is not included in the prediction of Jesus in Matthew 24. The church was still a mystery as at that time.

The prophecies concerns the nation of Israel and how they will be treated by the other nations of the world.

Ken4Christ:



Apostle Peter, Paul and the Jews who believed will be a part of the first rapture.

Selected Jews (144,000) who will be alive at the time of the great tribulation will be the second batch that will be raptured. This will take place at the end of the great tribulation period the Jews will go through.

I emphasize the church of the Gentiles because presently the Jews are not Christians. They are still waiting for the Messiah who will come in the person of the second beast in Revelation 13.

Ken4Christ:


I insist that the present church is not included in the prediction of Jesus in Matthew 24. The church was still a mystery as at that time.

The prophecies concerns the nation of Israel and how they will be treated by the other nations of the world.

OkCornel:


So the church Jesus spoke of to Apostle Peter in Matthew 16 v 18 was still a mystery in Matthew 24 abi?

Matthew 16 v 18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Who do you this thing abeg?

OkCornel:


This guy, are you joking?
Who told you there are no Jewish Christians alive today? Will the Jerusalem church today miss the so called "first rapture" of yours?

Ken4Christ:


The indigenous Jews don't believe in Jesus. They still practice Judaism.

They are still waiting for their Messiah. I am shocked that you are ignorant of this truth.

In case you are not aware, Sunday is a working day in Israel.