MaxInDHouse:


For your information Russians and Ukrainians are killing themselves today whereas if you find anyone among those carrying weapons against their neighbours it's either atheists, agnostics, churchgoers, Buddhists, Hindus, Judaists, Muslims Traditionalists or EX-JWS but as for members of God's organization we have vowed never to raise weapons against our fellowman! Isaiah 2:4

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:




Your problem is the same as your neighbour claiming religionists, instead of reasoning with people to deliver a friendly message of hope you just want to impose your opinion on others and when they object you either insult or curse them based on the perspective you're seeing matters.
Misinformed religionists do threaten others with eternal torment while atheists like you mock them and when that's not working you resort to annoyance insulting people for disagreeing with you.
So don't think it's only the religionists that are delusional whatever makes you insult people simply because you're chatting on what they believe makes you delusional as well, the gift of speech and expression shouldn't be abused it's a privilege to have a neighbour with whom you can share what you have at heart but when they say "NO" you should move on gladly knowing fully well that it's a free world!

MaxInDHouse:

I'm not forcing you to chat with me but i won't release you simply because you want to turn it into exchange of insults!
NO! NEVER! I will tell you the truth that you can't find elsewhere except among God's people: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

Wilgrea7:


I've been following this discussion from the beginning.

I can't help but commend your patience when it comes to dealing with these guys. You've dismantled their baseless points pretty impressively.

MaxinDhouse and Dtruthspeaker are 2 of the most intellectually dishonest people I've ever encountered on this platform.

Wilgrea7:

For someone who claims to belong to an organization not involved in politics, you seem to make almost every single thing political.

uche40:

Stop hallucinating and take a good squint around the thread to see that since the beginning of the thread, YOU are the one who's been seeking to impose your opinions on me. I typed just one sentence and was on my merry way but you and your half-baked brother couldn't just let things go because the words I stated truly hurt your feelz. You said it yourself here:
For the record, if it's the word "delusional" that's been biting your ass, then I really am sorry. You see, I have the tendency to be uncharacteristically blunt and I call things the way I see it. You truly do exhibit signs of delusion. Take it or leave it.

Wilgrea7:


He allegedly killed Ananias and sapphira for not bringing all the money they got from selling their property to the apostles.

MaxInDHouse:


Whatever you (humans) feel that makes your life sweeter do it but Please! Please!! Please!!! Stay away from politics because that's the only thing that could lead you to insanity making you killers of one another without feeling remorseful!

Genesis 2:17

MaxInDHouse:


Now let me enlighten you on what is called intellectual talk:

Each intolerant and arrogant human feel like ~ don't talk to me about your opinion because i should be the one teaching you"

This is what brought you into this thread but then you failed to present what you have that surpasses that of those around you instead you're here talking about what they have trying to prove it doesn't worth being treasured the way they value it. That's not how wise people reason all you need to do is present what you now possess after trashing what you had formally and leave the rest to sincere and honest hearted individuals, they will see reasons with you without maligning their faith. Remember how you once treasure what you had back then so instead of arguing over what you thought is evil in their faith why not present what you've found that's better of than theirs?

MaxInDHouse:


You're 100% correct!

Do you know why?

Because the Bible's Author used it to send us a warning message:

Whatever you (humans) feel that makes your life sweeter do it but Please! Please!! Please!!! Stay away from politics because that's the only thing that could lead you to insanity making you killers of one another without feeling remorseful! Genesis 2:17

This is the overall message of the Bible!

So no matter the school of thought you may belong be it Churches, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Islam, Traditional, Atheism or Agnostism you will gladly find yourself doing or supporting all these evil works:

sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, envy, drunkenness, wild parties Galatians 5:19-21

You can ignore the Bible quotation because it seems that's what often annoy you atheists it's meant for believers following our discussion not you.

The one and only organization of imperfect humans where this evil called politics failed completely is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

Now prove me wrong!

Namdio:

I don't see how the bible verse you quoted helps your argument.

Namdio:

This is a thread.
Anyone can post their opinion.
She did just that,
It was you and the other guy who took it upon yourselves to argue with her.

Wilgrea7:

The verse you quoted talked about staying away from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.. not politics. Don't try to be sneaky.
Absolutely not. There is no overall message of the bible. It is a collection of books that tell different stories at different points in time.
I don't see your point here. You've just listed a bunch of “sins" in the bible, and are trying to accuse everyone else of committing them.
There's no argument here... Just you pointing fingers.

Wilgrea7:

Your bible quotations don't annoy me. But for some reason, you're the one who thinks quoting from a questionable book somehow does something to strengthen your argument.
I've used this analogy before. It's like me quoting from harry Potter novels to prove something about Harry Potter. I can do that all I want, but it won't make it any more real.

Wilgrea7:

There's nothing to disprove, because you've not proven anything. You've made empty claims with nothing to back them up.
In regards to politics, you guys really aren't special. I've told you before. Choosing to abstain from politics doesn't make JWs, as an organization, free from those sins you mentioned above.
A quick Google search of the words “JWs" and “abuse" will drive that point home to you. So your claim in respect to that is dead on arrival.
Secondly, by claiming to abstain from political matters, while simultaneously shouting “politics" at every turn, you indirectly involve yourself in the political sphere. Although not an active participant, but a participant nonetheless.

MaxInDHouse:


The tree of knowledge of Good and Evil is the symbol of politics.

MaxInDHouse:


Now this is what you're missing:
POLITICS is the one and only thing that often makes people agree on picking up weapons against their neighbours when there is no standard to defend.

What that Bible book of Galatians 5:19-21 is saying is that even though we find some of those things mentioned evil instead of trying to help the one practicing it to change politics will make humans become friends of those practicing it then they will join hands in killing their neighbours who are innocent of all these things!

I have told you several times that when quoting people it's not just for the sake of arguments but presenting what could solve problems if applied wisely so when i quote the Bible i tell you what the Author said about the result if it's practically applied: there will be peace among those putting it to good use! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So please quote your Harry Potter and present a group of humans practically applying what the book says in order for us to see it's benefits, it's not just about arguing hopelessly but achieving something worthwhile!

I told you that humans generally are IMPERFECT, so in every society you will notice the effect of imperfection but then the Author of the Bible promised that this same imperfect humans will come together and used His book (Bible) to make peace reign among themselves {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} He never said they will become perfect so that imperfection will disappear in their midst but PEACE will reign in their gathering whereas others throughout the earth will be killing one another because of POLITICS! Revelations 6:3-4

Wilgrea7:

Please, please and please... Do not insult human intelligence. Adam and eve weren't kicked out of the garden for being political. They were kicked out for eating a piece of fruit.
Don't twist bible stories just because you want to support an unproven narrative.. imagine an atheist having to tell you not to twist scriptures.. (insert facepalm emoji)

Wilgrea7:

What planet do you live on? Seriously?

Wilgrea7:

Either you don't know the meaning of politics (which honestly wouldn't surprise me at this point), or you're just trying to be dishonest.
Politics is not an umbrella term you can just use to describe all the bad things. I don't know why i need to explain this to you.

Wilgrea7:

Your reasons for quoting the bible have absolutely no bearing on whether the contents are true, or whether they in any way strengthen the point you're trying to make in the discussion.
Not the point of the analogy.

Wilgrea7:

Also irrelevant. Secondly, your double standard is showing.
On one hand, you accuse people guilty of certain sins as doing so because of politics.
Now when I pointed out that your make-a-wish organization is also guilty of several of the aforementioned sins, you went on to say they're not perfect. And yet you claim they're free from politics.
If politics is what makes people commit these sins, and some JWs still commit these sins, then JWs are not free from “politics"
You can't eat your and have it

MaxInDHouse:


Now let me enlighten you on what is called intellectual talk:

Each intolerant and arrogant human feel like ~ don't talk to me about your opinion because i should be the one teaching you"

This is what brought you into this thread but then you failed to present what you have that surpasses that of those around you instead you're here talking about what they have trying to prove it doesn't worth being treasured the way they value it. That's not how wise people reason all you need to do is present what you now possess after trashing what you had formally and leave the rest to sincere and honest hearted individuals, they will see reasons with you without maligning their faith. Remember how you once treasure what you had back then so instead of arguing over what you thought is evil in their faith why not present what you've found that's better of than theirs?

uche40:

I don't need enlightenment from a religious nutter with needle eye vision. Stop hallucinating.

MaxInDHouse:


I know that you've gained a lot through our chat!

Now you know better that the Bible God never claimed to be Omniscient nor Omnipresent, you now know that it's not through threatening others with torment that God's word was preached, you also learned that true Christians don't simply get overwhelmed when you're mocking, insulting or cursing them for their faith, you also learned that the Bible is working throughout the earth gathering people for salvation even though their number is relatively few in comparison to faithless billions yet they've made a lot of impact on the human race in general.

So till some other time remember i'm not your enemy neither your family rather i'm your neighbourly Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Do have a lovely weekend!

uche40:


Truth be told, the only thing I've learnt from our interaction is that you are an artful dodger who pretends not to see legitimate criticisms of his worldview. Your conception of the Biblical God is at odds with the mainstream traditional belief, but you're just going to ignore and handwave the facts because it's too inconvenient for your beliefs.

However you choose to interpret my posts is your sole responsibility. I'm responsible for what I type but not for whichever funny meanings you read into my statements.

I don't have any business with what you choose to believe or disbelieve. You can hold on to your beliefs if it makes you feel secure. But please when debating with people who don't belong to your faith, at least try to maintain honesty and have the integrity to admit where you made mistakes.

Enjoy your weekend.

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted is exactly what i've been trying to tell you, my God is responsible for what is written in the Bible but please don't quote Him and adding your own meaning simply because you don't want to see reasons with him.

I speak with the greatest honesty and sincerity that's why i never turned to rage like your so called mainstream believers {1Peter 3:15} Jesus taught us to be wise and harmless! Matthew 10:16

So it's you who needs to be honest, respectful and calm whenever you meet people who has a different view of what you thought you've figured out!

uche40:

Argue with your fellow Christians who claim that God is all-powerful and all-knowing. This argument is worn out and I have no desire to go back and forth on it anymore.

So again, thanks for your time.

MaxInDHouse:

You don't even know the real meaning of that group name "CHRISTIANS"

Well you need more enlightenment!

People who goes out to make noise in the streets disturbing the peaceful atmosphere are not followers of Christ! Matthew 12:19

People who support politics to pick up arms and start killing their neighbours including their own fellow believers are not followers of Christ! Mark 12:31 compare to John 13:34-35

People who welcome contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are not followers of Christ! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10

Now go back and figure out who are the true followers of Jesus the man called CHRIST because it's from that title the group name CHRISTIANS was derived! Act 11:26

Thanks for your time!

uche40:


We were never arguing about who real Christians were or weren't. I have only pointed out that Christianity is riddled with contradictory beliefs which you yourself haven't refuted. So this post is a non-sequitur.

Anything else you want to add, hmm?

MaxInDHouse:


Not much for the moment i only wish to help you know the real meaning of that group name "CHRISTIANS" that's why i quoted the founder (CHRIST) for you to compare what is happening around you before you refer to unbelievers as my "fellow Christians"

uche40:

Ok. Are you done now?

MaxInDHouse:


If you have nothing to add now that i've proved my worth as one of Jesus' true disciples and not misinformed Churchgoers!

uche40:

Ok, Roland.

MaxInDHouse:

Alright, i don't know what you mean by "Roland" my profile name is "MaxInDHouse"

Enjoy your weekend!

uche40:

Ok, Roland.

uche40:

Whatever, Roland.

Namdio:


Why Roland?

lol