Kobojunkie:
That my words only make sense to me does not in any way render them invalid. Surely, you are not after popular opinion, generally lies, but the Truth of God alone, right?

So Again... 1. Please the statement that His laws and commands are for your benefit.
2. Lying to help because he is experiencing what he is facing problems only worsens his situation, don't you see? It was the lies of men that brought him to this. How does continuing to lie to him help what you call "his faith"? His faith in what exactly - lies?

For one thing, none of us are immune to problems. Whether you're religious or not, you will face problems
Another thing, God is not to blame for what evil we face. From what he wrote, it is from wicked neighbours. These things shook his beliefs in God and he is telling us. Which faithful servant of God in Bible times lived a life of roses? Mention only one. It is the stupid pastors of today in their greed and lies that tell you that Christian won't encounter problem. When we face trials, we draw close to him as the God and father of all comfort who comforts us in our trials so that with the trials we get from God, we too can comfort others (2Cor 1:3,4). Instead of him drawing closer to tap from that comfort to gain relief and joy and endurance, he thinks the best is to run away from God and be happy

Aemmyjah:
1. For one thing, none of us are immune to problems. Whether you're religious or not, you will face problems
2. Another thing, God is not to blame for what evil we face. From what he wrote, it is from wicked neighbours. These things shook his beliefs in God and he is telling us. Which faithful servant of God in Bible times lived a life of roses? Mention only one.

3. It is the stupid pastors of today in their greed and lies that tell you that Christian won't encounter problem. When we face trials, we draw close to him as the God and father of all comfort who comforts us in our trials so that with the trials we get from God, we too can comfort others (2Cor 1:3,4). Instead of him drawing closer to tap from that comfort to gain relief and joy and endurance, he thinks the best is to run away from God and be happy

1. Jesus Christ definitely stated that there would be suffering and tribulation for those who belong to Him but He assured them that even through it all, He would provide for their needs and take care of them, so they would not need to worry as they went through those times. OP is here telling you that he is not experiencing that which Jesus Christ promised to His followers --- that provision of all of one's needs, along with the peace that is of Jesus Christ --- so surely you can see how you attempting to sweep his concerns under the rug is not of help to him in any way or form.

2. Again, Jesus Christ made clear that He had overcome the world for the sake of HIs followers instructing them there was no need for them to fear suffering and tribulation. He assured them His peace for when they would experience such things so they have no reason to engage in meaningless battles/fights as a result. So, again, as OP made clear, he is not experiencing this peace that Jesus Christ guaranteed His followers, and as such he has need to be concerned as that is indicative of the fact that he, OP, does not belong to God. It is really that simple when it comes to God.

3. This isn't a problem of some stupid pastors but a problem that stems fro the very foundation of that which OP adheres to... religion... in place of God's Word -- His teachings and commandments.

So, if what OP has been filled with is not of God --- has absolutely nothing to do with God, why should he continue in it?

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ definitely stated that there would be suffering and tribulation for those who belong to Him but He assured them that even through it all, He would provide for their needs and take care of them, so they would not need to worry as they went through those times. OP is here telling you that he is not experiencing that which Jesus Christ promised to His followers --- that provision of all of one's needs, along with the peace that is of Jesus Christ --- so surely you can see how you attempting to sweep his concerns under the rug is not of help to him in any way or form.

2. Again, Jesus Christ made clear that He had overcome the world for the sake of HIs followers instructing them there was no need for them to fear suffering and tribulation. He assured them His peace for when they would experience such things so they have no reason to engage in meaningless battles/fights as a result. So, again, as OP made clear, he is not experiencing this peace that Jesus Christ guaranteed His followers, and as such he has need to be concerned as that is indicative of the fact that he, OP, does not belong to God. It is really that simple when it comes to God.

3. This isn't a problem of some stupid pastors but a problem that stems fro the very foundation of that which OP adheres to... religion... in place of God's Word -- His teachings and commandments.

So, if what OP has been filled with is not of God --- has absolutely nothing to do with God, why should he continue in it?

Did I not read his post? You're bringing your own interpretation and I wasn't talking to you or seeking your support. Most of your posts and comments is to promote argument. I won't engage such with you

Aemmyjah:
1. Did I not read his post? You're bringing your own interpretation and I wasn't talking to you or seeking your support. Most of your posts and comments is to promote argument. I won't engage such with you

1. Where is my interpretation of his post. Op clearly indicated that rather than peace of God and see his needs met, the opposite is the case. Or am I wrong?

2. The Gospel is itself a system of Logic, a set of rules/Law intended for those who are of the Kingdom 9f God to live by. So when you and I do not agree on the rule, it is reasonable to present our side in what is structured in the form of an argument, right?

according to the so called Bible a christain must suffer but did the Bible say is forever, i mean if this suffering is forever just like our family then i am not ready to suffer forever
my dad is a strong man but his strength seems like a waste

chikishpilot:
according to the so called Bible a christain must suffer but did the Bible say is forever, i mean if this suffering is forever just like our family then i am not ready to suffer forever
my dad is a strong man but his strength seems like a waste

It also says that in your suffering, your needs will be catered to and you will have peace. So what you describe of your experience is nothing like what is written in scripture, it is no different from that experienced by the world in terms of suffering.

Kobojunkie:
It also says that in your suffering, your needs will be catered to and you will have peace. So what you describe of your experience is nothing like what is written in scripture, it is no different from that experienced by the world in terms of suffering.

another reason to leave
i mean is he a tribalist or racist why allow our enemies suffer us, why allow us die in hunger and suffering
seems he chooses whom to love

chikishpilot:

another reason to leave
i mean is he a tribalist or racist why allow our enemies suffer us, why allow us die in hunger and suffering
seems he chooses whom to love

Religion has nothing to do with God. What you are experiencing is completely different from what Jesus Christ taught that His followers will experience.

25 “So I tell you, don’t worry about the things you need to live—what you will eat, drink, or wear. Life is more important than food, and the body is more important than what you put on it.
26 Look at the birds. They don’t plant, harvest, or save food in barns, but your heavenly Father feeds them. Don’t you know you are worth much more than they are?
27 You cannot add any time to your life by worrying about it.
28 “And why do you worry about clothes? Look at the wildflowers in the field. See how they grow. They don’t work or make clothes for themselves.
29 But I tell you that even Solomon, the great and rich king, was not dressed as beautifully as one of these flowers.
30 If God makes what grows in the field so beautiful, what do you think he will do for you? It’s just grass—one day it’s alive, and the next day someone throws it into a fire. But God cares enough to make it beautiful. Surely he will do much more for you. Your faith is so small!
31 “Don’t worry and say, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’
32 That’s what those people who don’t know God are always thinking about. Don’t worry, because your Father in heaven knows that you need all these things.
33 What you should want most is God’s kingdom and doing what he wants you to do. Then he will give you all these other things you need.
34 So don’t worry about tomorrow. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Tomorrow will have its own worries. - Matthew 6 vs 25 - 34

So clearly, what you and your old man are experiencing has nothing to do with God and His plan for His followers. I know we don't like to think these things are really this simple but it is after all the Truth of God, and so logically if what you experience is nothing like what is expected, it cannot be confused in anyway with the expected.

chikishpilot:

see your head
my dad is tired, i know, he can't start shouting it, he is my father, and i have observed him for a while, do you expect him to cry
men my father is tired of the whole game

Suit yourself

chikishpilot:

stop defending him let Him do that himself

God is a King. He does not give account of His matters. Striving against Him is a waste of time (Job 33:13)
Your job is to learn His modus operandi and fall in line. You and your father respectfully have been playing religion.
What you should do is to learn the ways of God and the laws that govern the cosmos and begin to apply them.

Throwing tantrums about the existence of God will not change anything. You are not the first and won't be the last. Many people have threatened God that they will commit suicide if He did not act on their matter. He didn't. They committed suicide and God still remained God.

If traditionalists are dealing with you and your father, it points to a lack of understanding of spiritual warfare and priesthood.

Activate your priesthood and watch those people scamper like rats. It's knowledge.

Through knowledge will the just be delivered (Proverbs 11:9)

You and your dad can gain spiritual intelligence and begin your journey to the victory that Christ already won on the cross by listening to the following messages by Apostle Joshua Selman.

Priesthood
The mystery of divine intervention
Complete deliverance (1-3)
Spiritual Intelligence (1-3)
Mysteries of the kingdom

AstraDroid:
God doesn't care about your family and the generational laziness masqueraded as devotion.

I've always thought you are an atheist.
I believe there's God too but he has created all human kind needs on earth but we still continue to bother him. Give sacrificially and you will surely gets more in return. The farmer has to sacrifice some of his food and keep in the ground to collect hundredfold. Put in the effort and grow a positive mindset and you shall see a positive result. Because of the vibe we walk on in this earthly dimensions. Your thoughts are energy that could manifest into physical realm so make it positive energy.

chikishpilot:

that's what i am going to do

Yeah dawg!

AstraDroid:
God doesn't care about your family and the generational laziness masqueraded as devotion.

Ur God is very stupid. He does not care about a family that makes the smallest effort to worship him. As usuall he is as usless as the s in island. And u worshiping such nonsensical idea is a terrorist, using God to show ur wickeness and justify it.

kingreign:


That your dad is suffering and all isn’t working is not enough reason for GOD to be blamed.



James 2:14-26
New King James Version

Oga, how did he blame God biko? Should he be happy witha God his family have deligently worshiped but does not answer a single prayer of help?
U are the ones who preach that believers must be suffering and smilling. How does that make sense if its not foolishness.
What exactly is the role of God in all ur believing in him... Is it just like hanging Buhari's picture on ir wall for the sake of it?

Kobojunkie:
1. Where is my interpretation of his post. Op clearly indicated that rather than peace of God and see his needs met, the opposite is the case. Or am I wrong?

2. The Gospel is itself a system of Logic, a set of rules/Law intended for those who are of the Kingdom 9f God to live by. So when you and I do not agree on the rule, it is reasonable to present our side in what is structured in the form of an argument, right?

As usual, u must always hijack someone's thread with ur directionless arguments with delilusioned Christians.

chikishpilot:

another reason to leave
i mean is he a tribalist or racist why allow our enemies suffer us, why allow us die in hunger and suffering
seems he chooses whom to love

Just get hold of urself.. There is no guarantee of success when u leave religion either. Life is generally hard and there is no sky daddy out there to help.
U will just have to role ur own wheel to u either makenit or tire out.
Successful people are strategic, dogmatic and deliberate. Plan, have a direction and work towards it. Do not be discouraged by dissapointments, learn a skill and constantly think of improving urself. Ensure u are better today than yesterday, even knowledge wise.
As for God, forget about it. Its just a complete waste of time.

Aemmyjah:
I'm really sorry for all you're facing
Who's immune to the anxieties of life today?
Whether you're a Christian or atheist or Muslim, we will all face problems so how does leaving God end it?
Atheism is not and never will be the answer
Pray to God, tell him about your feelings and beg him sincerely to help me clear your doubts

One fact most people do miss is that we are all born atheists at birth that's why God ordered His people (Israelites) to study really hard that they may know His ways and afterwards inculcate in our children the same thing we know so as to make it easier for them! Deuteronomy 6:4-7

Satan established countless religions globally to counter pure worship so while the Israelites are teaching their children God's standard the surrounding nations are filled with practices of satanism hence many Israelites were lured into false religious ideas.

So if anyone say he or she is turning to atheism such a person is simply returning to his root: when he hasn't been taught anything about the existence of God.

But then the atheists will now fill his or her heart with junks all in the name of knowledge that's of no practical benefits whereas knowledge supposed to help the human society enjoy peaceful coexistence and that's what atheism can never produce because they will still fall (die) for the wisdom they ignore when God said the tree of knowledge of good and evil will lead to death {Genesis 2:17} to atheists this book makes no practical sense yet the tree of knowledge of good and evil (POLITICS) will always catch up with their intelligence making them slaughter one another purposely! Revelations 6:3-4

fattprince:

I've always thought you are an atheist.
I believe there's God too but he has created all human kind needs on earth but we still continue to bother him. Give sacrificially and you will surely gets more in return. The farmer has to sacrifice some of his food and keep in the ground to collect hundredfold. Put in the effort and grow a positive mindset and you shall see a positive result. Because of the vibe we walk on in this earthly dimensions. Your thoughts are energy that could manifest into physical realm so make it positive energy.

There numerous Gods as there as numerous mankind archetypes. And the gods are too busy to care if you eat, bath or fucckk. It is black magic to worship anything even the Gods.

Material life is our business and without working hard the Gods despise laziness and don't care if you have no survival skills. Man must work for food and then blessings follow.

I am not atheist , I am polytheistic

frank317:


Oga, how did he blame God biko? Should he be happy witha God his family have deligently worshiped but does not answer a single prayer of help?
U are the ones who preach that believers must be suffering and smilling. How does that make sense if its not foolishness.
What exactly is the role of God in all ur believing in him... Is it just like hanging Buhari's picture on ir wall for the sake of it?

Are you done rambling?

frank317:



Ur God is very stupid. He does not care about a family that makes the smallest effort to worship him. As usuall he is as usless as the s in island. And u worshiping such nonsensical idea is a terrorist, using God to show ur wickeness and justify it.

My God is not your God. Mine got my back always, because I do not tell him what to do, I do not pray, I do not worship Him, I simply tune my vibrational frequency as close to His, as possible and the system simulates and actuates my desires.

Beggars are not pleasant to listen to. Any amazing God mostly abandon complainers. You and your family will continue to suffer until you understand the truth about how the world works. Lazy fools want mana from heaven. Those days are gone.

AstraDroid:


My God is not your God. Mine got my back always, because I do not tell him what to do, I do not pray, I do not worship Him, I simply tune my vibrational frequency as close to His, as possible and the system simulates and actuates my desires.

Beggars are not pleasant to listen to. Any amazing God mostly abandon complainers. You and your family will continue to suffer until you understand the truth about how the world works. Lazy fools want mana from heaven. Those days are gone.

Unfortunately for u, i am not suffering, not just my immediate family but many of my extended families depend on me. I do what i can do to make sure people around are not grumbling.

Shoo away like a bug, go and find another mumu God believer to wish evil on. Ur nonexistent God aint got nothing on me.

frank317:
As usual, u must always hijack someone's thread with ur directionless arguments with delilusioned Christians.

Oh, look who's talking!

frank317:


Unfortunately for u, i am not suffering, not just my immediate family but many of my extended families depend on me. I do what i can do to make sure people around are not grumbling.

Shoo away like a bug, go and find another mumu God believer to wish evil on. Ur nonexistent God aint got nothing on me.

So everyone depends on your scamming talent for sustenance? You are their tin-god.

AstraDroid:


So everyone depends on your scamming talent for sustenance? You are their tin-god.

Are u still talking about ur God? The one that lives in ur head? That cant do anything for u?

frank317:

Just get hold of urself.. There is no guarantee of success when u leave religion either.

Op hear that? No guarantees!

frank317:

Life is generally hard and there is no sky daddy out there to help.

This is what happens to people who have been cut off by God, so, you have to manage your life as you have it.

But op, is your case as his own? Has God cut you off?

Anyway for confessing this, then clearly God has cut you people off.

frank317:


Are u still talking about ur God? The one that lives in ur head? That cant do anything for u?

Not that one, the other one.

chikishpilot:
greetings nairalanders, i am from abia state born in a christain home, my dad is a devoted christain my mum is not left out, we are the type that have been dieing in faith and hoping for better days, but my problem is this, nature have not been fair to us, the more we struggle the more we lose the game, infact our enemies who are traditionalist have overpowered us, the are the ones reigning, the decide what happens in the family, this is not where my is, my biggest problem is that even though my dad have been killing and suffering himself to preach the gospel to the congregation nothing good have come out of it, he always spend all his money on one sickness or the other, my dad always jump from one problem or the other, we are suffering like people that have been deserted, infact i hate God, the fact that man father have sacrificed all his effort to worship him and he is receiving evil at the end, i regret being a Christian, i think is time to leave religion, my father is a strong man but nothing is working all his struggle is in vain, i am 18 years old but doesn't know where to start, there's no money, not that my parents are not trying but we are just unlucky and since God can't help us is time to leave christainity
manage my English

Oga leave ASAP.

The whites brought dis powerless God to ruin our lives. Nobody wey dey follow God, wey dey do well in life. Even Kanya West the moment he repented, he started going down.

The only people enjoying are pastor's...

No become Athiest like that, put body for real spirituality..

chikishpilot:

see your head
my dad is tired, i know, he can't start shouting it, he is my father, and i have observed him for a while, do you expect him to cry
men my father is tired of the whole game

Do not listen to that fool, that’s how they keep lying that a better day will come. It’s sad to hear about your dad, he probably has a health condition that’s why he always sick, plus the stress of being broke.

The best thing you can do for yourself now is to forget religion and the current situation at hand, and ask yourself what you really want for yourself, do you want to keep hoping on god like your father you learn a trade, a skill or even further your education(if you can). The only problem here is really cause you guys are broke, don’t let anyone deceive that God will come and solve your problems, be humble and good people will favor you.

suicidesheep:


Do not listen to that fool, that’s how they keep lying that a better day will come. It’s sad to hear about your dad, he probably has a health condition that’s why he always sick, plus the stress of being broke.

The best thing you can do for yourself now is to forget religion and the current situation at hand, and ask yourself what you really want for yourself, do you want to keep hoping on god like your father you learn a trade, a skill or even further your education(if you can). The only problem here is really cause you guys are broke, don’t let anyone deceive that God will come and solve your problems, be humble and good people will favor you.

seriously i will start working for my self and family

chikishpilot:

seriously i will start working for my self and family

Pls do..
U can see how so called unbelievers are advising you on how to make the best of ur situation by focusing on urself to be a better person, while the almighty belivers are blaming u and accusing u for not believing God the right way (whatever that means).
They want u to continue playing Naija bet with ur life by hoping on God, who never shows up, and probably pass this act of hoping to ur unborn kids. They want the circle of beliving to just exist... Its not about u or ur hapiness, its about the fact that u believe an idea in their head... Just believe, weather u suffer or not does not matter.

God is their alter ego. Its what they wish to be but their mind project it to an external none existent being. Its a human thing.
Wonder why they get angry when u dont believe? Its actually an anger for not believing in them and their wish.
Its all about them but the idea of God makes it easy for them not to see it like that. Thats why they pray and decide the answer. They sing holy song and enjoy it, they listen and hear themselves (their heart). .. Everything they believe ends up with them.
If singing praise worship makes u dance, how then do u feel its God dancing if u are not the God u believe in?

frank317:
Pls do..
U can see how so called unbelievers are advising you on how to make the best of ur situation by focusing on urself to be a better person, while the almighty belivers are blaming u and accusing u for not believing God the right way (whatever that means).

They want u to continue playing Naija bet with ur life by hoping on God, who never shows up, and probably pass this act of hoping to ur unborn kids. They want the circle of beliving to just exist... Its not about u or ur hapiness, its about the fact that u believe an idea in their head... Just believe, weather u suffer or not does not matter.

I am a follower of Jesus Christ and I advocate that Op completely abandon religion, not by mouth alone, but empty himself of every religious lie he has ever been fed about the entity referred to as God from both his parents and every other individual- mog or pastor out there. It is so he can move forward with a clean slate, and not end up one of the many bitter individuals out there flying the "I am an atheist" flag.

OP, should you decide much later to seek God, do not seek Him through the mouths of men by directly next time. Then when He responds, you will be certain you are connected to Him and not to religion of men.