Kobojunkie:
According to Jesus Christ, "By their fruits ye shall know them [those who belong to Him from those who do not belong to Him]." And He made abundantly clear that those who belong to Him are those who live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments; this cannot be hidden or mimicked from sight not even from those in the world.

I don't worry about whether I am the only one or not. Afterall, Jesus Christ asked at a certain point if He would find the faithful in the world when He returned. Instead, my focus is on believing in Him ---- the work we are to do as detailed in John 6 vs 25 - 35 - in order that we may be made just by Him - John 17 vs 16 - 19.

It is your choice whether you will accept what He says and do as He commands. Not my place to worry whether you do or not.

I do what Christ commands. So from what you have been saying, it means my sin is fellowshipping with the brethren.
Now, if I stop fellowshipping with the brethren, will it make me a saint and totally submissive to Jesus Christ?

Texcyndy:
1. I do what Christ commands.
2. So from what you have been saying, it means my sin is fellowshipping with the brethren.

3. Now, if I stop fellowshipping with the brethren, will it make me a saint and totally submissive to Jesus Christ?

1. Telling me that means nothing as your fruit already reveals to me what holds greater importance in your case.

2. Your sin? You should probably go back through all of the passages I highlighted to find out how much different your ideas are from that taught and commanded by Jesus Christ in the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

3. Submission and obedience to Jesus Christ is a choice you make in response to God's mandate. Also, in order to be perfect/holy in the Kingdom of God, you are commanded to live your life continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ , God's Truth, for it is by knowing the Truth that you are then set free from slavery to sin by the Truth(Jesus Christ) - John 8 vs 31 - 36. So, if you are looking for a quick guide to sainthood/perfection, you won't get that that me. Instead, what I know of is the Only way and Jesus Christ is It.

Kobojunkie:
1. Telling me that means nothing as your fruit already reveals to me what holds greater importance in your case.

2. Your sin? You should probably go back through all of the passages I highlighted to find out how much different your ideas are from that taught and commanded by Jesus Christ in the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

3. Submission and obedience to Jesus Christ is a choice you make in response to God's mandate. Also, in order to be perfect/holy in the Kingdom of God, you are commanded to live your life continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ , God's Truth, for it is by knowing the Truth that you are then set free from slavery to sin by the Truth(Jesus Christ) - John 8 vs 31 - 36. So, if you are looking for a quick guide to sainthood/perfection, you won't get that that me. Instead, what I know of is the Only way and Jesus Christ is It.

Have you ever won anyone for Christ?

Texcyndy:
Have you ever won anyone for Christ?

Did Jesus Christ command that I win someone to Him?

Kobojunkie:
Did Jesus Christ command that I win someone to Him?

Yes.
Matthew 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Texcyndy:

1. Yes.
Matthew 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


2. John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

1. The first says I should go and teach the very same Gospel that He is teaching me to those in world, baptizing those who wish to be. It doesn't say I should win anyone though since the same Jesus Christ teaches that only those who stand faithful - living in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ- until the end that will be saved - Matthew 24 vs 12 - 13 & Mark 13 vs 13. So how can I claim to win anyone when at the end, the person's salvation depends solely on said person?

2. The second speaks of bearing fruit and ensuring my fruits remains. Are you under some notion that the fruit Jesus Christ speaks of are humans?

Kobojunkie:
1. The first says I should go and teach the very same Gospel that He is teaching me to those in world, baptizing those who wish to be. It doesn't say I should win anyone though since the same Jesus Christ teaches that only those who stand faithful - living in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ- until the end that will be saved - Matthew 24 vs 12 - 13 & Mark 13 vs 13. So how can I claim to win anyone when at the end, the person's salvation depends solely on said person?

2. The second speaks of bearing fruit and ensuring my fruits remains. Are you under some notion that the fruit Jesus Christ speaks of are humans?

Yes the fruits means humans. Bear human fruits and let the them remain is what Jesus Christ commanded us.
I only see you on nairaland going against fruits rather than bearing any.

Texcyndy:
1. Yes the fruits means humans. Bear human fruits and let the them remain is what Jesus Christ commanded us.

2. I only see you on nairaland going against fruits rather than bearing any.

1. However exactly did you arrive at this conclusion where nowhere in the entirety of the Gospels are fruits directly or indirectly related to humans?

2. Going against your human fruits you mean?

@kobojunkie
Why do you use the name of jesus to lie
You said jesus never command us to drop opinions but "matthew 18:17" AND IF HE SHALL NEGLECT TO HEAR THEM, TELL IT TO THE CHURCH: BUT IF HE NEGLECT THE CHURCH, LET HIM BE UNTO THEE AS AN HEARTHEN MAN AND A PUBLICAN. Which church was Jesus refering to there? You can read from verse 15 for more understanding.
You said Jesus never command joint prayer, but "matthew 18:19-20" 19. AGAIN I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT IF TWO OF YOU SHALL AGREE ON EARTH AS TOUCHING ANYTHING THAT THEY SHALL ASK, IT SHALL BE DONE FOR THEM OF MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
20. FOR WHERE TWO OR THREE ARE GATHERED IN MY NAME, THERE AM I IN THE MIDST OF THEM.
@kobojunkie

Kobojunkie:
1. However exactly did you arrive at this conclusion where nowhere in the entirety of the Gospels are fruits directly or indirectly related to humans?

2. Going against your human fruits you mean?

What you do is bring division to the body of Christ which is the fruit already abiding.
Go and bear fruits. Same way Jesus chose us and ordained us. He expects us to bring in more people into the fold. It is the commandment that gave birth to the church of today which you are not part of as you claim.

Texcyndy:
1. What you do is bring division to the body of Christ which is the fruit already abiding.

2. Go and bear fruits. Same way Jesus chose us and ordained us.

3. He expects us to bring in more people into the fold. It is the commandment that gave birth to the church of today which you are not part of as you claim.

1. But so far I have revealed that what you tangle with has nothing to do with Jesus Christ to begin with since the very Word of Jesus Christ is what stands against them.

2. According to Jesus Christ, the fruits that matter are those born of obeisance of His teachings and commandments, which is what I continue to insist on here..

3. Nowhere in the entirety of what is the Gospels is that which you claim written. Yet you continue to insist it is so, why??

If, again, as Jesus Christ said, those who belong to Him are those who do what He commands using His name, what value is there is there that which He never even said we should pretending that we do them for His sake?

Kobojunkie:
1. But so far I have revealed that what you tangle with has nothing to do with Jesus Christ to begin with since the very Word of Jesus Christ is what stands against them.

2. According to Jesus Christ, the fruits that matter are those born of obeisance of His teachings and commandments, which is what I continue to insist on here..

3. Nowhere in the entirety of what is the Gospels is that which you claim written. Yet you continue to insist it is so, why??

If, again, as Jesus Christ said, those who belong to Him are those who do what He commands using His name, what value is there is there that which He never even said we should pretending that we do them for His sake?

I have shown you from the scriptures of the need to gather as believers. You chose not to believe. Why? It just shows you aren't part of the body of Christ. You are on your own and you don't belong to Jesus Christ but you preach your own message.

Texcyndy:
1. I have shown you from the scriptures of the need to gather as believers. You chose not to believe. Why?

2. It just shows you aren't part of the body of Christ. You are on your own and you don't belong to Jesus Christ but you preach your own message.

1. Absolutely none of the scriptures you posted relate any of what you claim. We can even dig into the Greek scripts to be sure of this. Nowhere in the entirety of the Gospels did Jesus Christ tell His followers that the fruit they are to bear are of the human kind.

2. I am definitely not a part of that which you refer to as the "body of Christ" manned by your pastors and mogs who teach you their doctrines and traditions in place of the Truth as taught by Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
1. Absolutely none of the scriptures you posted relate any of what you claim. We can even dig into the Greek scripts to be sure of this. Nowhere in the entirety of the Gospels did Jesus Christ tell His followers that the fruit they are to bear are of the human kind.

2. I am definitely not a part of that which you refer to as the "body of Christ" manned by your pastors and mogs who teach you their doctrines and traditions in place of the Truth as taught by Jesus Christ.

None of the verses of the Bible you quoted too answered any of my questions. So this means we don't agree with each other. I don't support you attacking churches. As far as I am concerned, you are attacking the body of Christ.
Don't be an antichrist. It is better you just stay off Christians if you are not comfortable with their practices rather than spending every day of your life condemning Christians. You are heaping sins upon your head if you don't know.

Texcyndy:
1. None of the verses of the Bible you quoted too answered any of my questions.

2. So this means we don't agree with each other.

3. I don't support you attacking churches. As far as I am concerned, you are attacking the body of Christ.

4. Don't be an antichrist. It is better you just stay off Christians if you are not comfortable with their practices rather than spending every day of your life condemning Christians.

5. You are heaping sins upon your head if you don't know.

1. What question did you ask me?

2. We can't agree for sure since I am Jesus-Christ-focused since I stay within the confines of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God as taught by Jesus Christ whereas you --- from your every comment so far --- are anything but.

3. I am not here to serve your whims but the Truth of God, Jesus Christ, and every single thing I have said of your churches are taken directly from His teachings, meaning you don't even agree with Jesus Christ on His view of that which you continue to refer to as your "body of christ". Your opinion is of no concern to me.

4. The word "antiChrist" refers to any and all that which contravenes/contradicts the teachings of Jesus Christ, and so far, you and your "body of christ" are it. And as I am sent by Jesus Christ to teach His Gospel to the world, I am here to do exactly as He has commanded of me. If you have a problem with that, I am afraid I am unable to help you at all.

5. Sin refers to disobedience of the teachings and commandments of God, in our case, Jesus Christ. If I choose to obey Jesus Christ in all I do, how can I be said to heap sins upon my own head by doing the Will of God? It seems you don't even realize the meaning in many of the soundbites you have been fed by your pastors and mogs.

Kobojunkie:
1. What question did you ask me?

2. We can't agree for sure since I am Jesus-Christ-focused since I stay within the confines of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God as taught by Jesus Christ whereas you --- from your every comment so far --- are anything but.

3. I am not here to serve your whims but the Truth of God, Jesus Christ, and every single thing I have said of your churches are taken directly from His teachings, meaning you don't even agree with Jesus Christ on His view of that which you continue to refer to as your "body of christ". Your opinion is of no concern to me.

4. The word "antiChrist" refers to any and all that which contravenes/contradicts the teachings of Jesus Christ, and so far, you and your "body of christ" are it. And as I am sent by Jesus Christ to teach His Gospel to the world, I am here to do exactly as He has commanded of me. If you have a problem with that, I am afraid I am unable to help you at all.

5. Sin refers to disobedience of the teachings and commandments of God, in our case, Jesus Christ. If I choose to obey Jesus Christ in all I do, how can I be said to heap sins upon my own head by doing the Will of God? It seems you don't even realize the meaning in many of the soundbites you have been fed by your pastors and mogs.

Except we serve a different Jesus. The Jesus Christ I know didn't send you to do all these things.
There are people who speak against some of the church doctrines and I agree with some of them. Yours is more like you are against the church and not the doctrines which is against the message of the gospel.
I can boldly say that you don't represent Christ. You exhibit more of an antichrist behaviour.

Texcyndy:
1. Except we serve a different Jesus.
2. The Jesus Christ I know didn't send you to do all these things.
3. There are people who speak against some of the church doctrines and I agree with some of them. Yours is more like you are against the church and not the doctrines which is against the message of the gospel.

4. I can boldly say that you don't represent Christ. You exhibit more of an antichrist behaviour.

1. Well duh!

2. Again, everything I have stated so far corresponds to that found in the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ from 2000 years ago, the same teachings which He informed you were everlasting --- never changing. So, if you don't agree with what is written in the Gospels what that means is that you serve a different Jesus Christ, one who has changed his mind, and in so doing, you serve a different master than the one written in scripture which is the one I serve. Certainly, this assuredly means we don't serve the same Jesus Christ --- maybe yours is the Muslim version, who knows ---and since it is impossible to serve two masters in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 6 vs 24 -- we cannot both then be in agreement as far as that which we are each commissioned to do.

3. I am totally against all lies sold by those who use the name of God in their deceit. Jesus Christ was against such lies and He spent quite a significant portion of His time teaching against such lies --- all doctrines and traditions of men (and their churches) are lies by the way --- and those who propagate them using the name of God. So, why you expect me to bend to your way against Jesus Christ is beyond me.

4. Jesus Christ said, "By their fruits, ye shall know them", and He also taught that those who belong to Him are those who obey His teachings and commandments. Can anyone who blatantly rejects the teachings of Jesus Christ, casting them down as being against that which he currently holds, belong to Jesus Christ?

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Genesis 3:1, NLT: The serpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the LORD God had made....

I am not here to argue and banter with you. When you meet me in politics section there I might have that time.

So Satan is a animal right?

Three words
Serpent- large snake
Shrewd- wise, funny, cautious
Wild animal

How does that befit Satan?

Thanks

You will never see me discuss politics let alone debate it
See what politics has done to Nigeria
Una wey get time for am go de argue am

Aemmyjah:

So Satan is a animal right?
Three words
Serpent- large snake
Shrewd- wise, funny, cautious
Wild animal
How does that befit Satan?
Thanks
You will never see me discuss politics let alone debate it
See what politics has done to Nigeria
Una wey get time for am go de argue am

He is just another arrogant churchgoer with misinformation!

If Jesus said Satan is the ORIGINAL SERPENT {Revelations 12:9} and our friend concluded that Satan is the wild animal that was shrewd then he supposed to believe that Apostle Peter is also Satan {Matthew 16:23} after all out of all the apostles he is the only one trying to discourage Jesus from taking the responsibility of saving mankind with sacrificial death! Matthew 16:22

When we go to their homes to preach and teach them they will tell us they're busy or even drive us away now see the result of their lack of knowledge? Hosea 4:6

Kobojunkie:
1. Well duh!

2. Again, everything I have stated so far corresponds to that found in the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ from 2000 years ago, the same teachings which He informed you were everlasting --- never changing. So, if you don't agree with what is written in the Gospels what that means is that you serve a different Jesus Christ, one who has changed his mind, and in so doing, you serve a different master than the one written in scripture which is the one I serve. Certainly, this assuredly means we don't serve the same Jesus Christ --- maybe yours is the Muslim version, who knows ---and since it is impossible to serve two masters in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 6 vs 24 -- we cannot both then be in agreement as far as that which we are each commissioned to do.

3. I am totally against all lies sold by those who use the name of God in their deceit. Jesus Christ was against such lies and He spent quite a significant portion of His time teaching against such lies --- all doctrines and traditions of men (and their churches) are lies by the way --- and those who propagate them using the name of God. So, why you expect me to bend to your way against Jesus Christ is beyond me.

4. Jesus Christ said, "By their fruits, ye shall know them", and He also taught that those who belong to Him are those who obey His teachings and commandments. Can anyone who blatantly rejects the teachings of Jesus Christ, casting them down as being against that which he currently holds, belong to Jesus Christ?

You quote Bible verses out of context.
By their fruits, you shall know them. The fruits you bear does not connote that of Jesus Christ but the fruits of an antichrist.
You upturn the scriptures and the truth of God. Stop it and repent before it is too late for you.

Texcyndy:
1. You quote Bible verses out of context.
2. By their fruits, you shall know them. The fruits you bear does not connote that of Jesus Christ but the fruits of an antichrist.
3. You upturn the scriptures and the truth of God. Stop it and repent before it is too late for you.

out of context
without the surrounding words or circumstances and so not fully understandable.

1. I challenge you to list at least one verse passage I have so far quoted out-of-context in my discussion with you: one and explain why you believe it quoted out-of-context.

2. Again, according to Jesus Christ those who love Him are those who carefully obey His teachings and commandments - John 14 vs 15 - 20 - meaning that they bear fruits that result from the obedience to His teachings and commandments which in John 15 vs 1 - 11, Jesus Christ explains is that which results from abiding in Him. So, if you claim that by obeying Jesus Christ's very teachings and commandments I bear contrary fruits, then what you are invariably saying is that Jesus Christ Himself lied regarding the results of obeying His teachings and commandments.

3. I challenge you to state one passage from all the passages I have presented so far that I have upturned in this: one passage explaining why you believe it upturned.

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Genesis 3:1, NLT: The serpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the LORD God had made....
I am not here to argue and banter with you. When you meet me in politics section there I might have that time.

Of all the creatures in the garden of Eden the SERPENT happens to be shrewd that's why Satan used it as mouthpiece to speak to Eve just as Satan carefully chose to use Peter to convince Jesus that his sacrificial death doesn't worth it.
Note that minutes before then Jesus commended Peter saying it's God's Holy Spirit that spoke through Peter {Matthew 16:17} in the same manner Satan carefully chose a SERPENT to air his opinion in the garden of Eden.
So when Jesus later said Satan is the ORIGINAL SERPENT he's implying that since snakes don't talk the originality of the speaker was Satan {Revelations 12:9} but what quality did Satan noticed in the SERPENT?
Well it's the creature's shrewdness! Matthew 10:16

May you have PEACE!

Kobojunkie:


1. I challenge you to list at least one verse passage I have so far quoted out-of-context in my discussion with you: one and explain why you believe it quoted out-of-context.

2. Again, according to Jesus Christ those who love Him are those who carefully obey His teachings and commandments - John 14 vs 15 - 20 - meaning that they bear fruits that result from the obedience to His teachings and commandments which in John 15 vs 1 - 11, Jesus Christ explains is that which results from abiding in Him. So, if you claim that by obeying Jesus Christ's very teachings and commandments I bear contrary fruits, then what you are invariably saying is that Jesus Christ Himself lied regarding the results of obeying His teachings and commandments.

3. I challenge you to state one passage from all the passages I have presented so far that I have upturned in this: one passage explaining why you believe it upturned.

Over 70% of the Bible verses you quote bars out of context. I have pointed them to you. Go through your posts on nairaland and see what Christians say about you.
Repent while it is possible now

Texcyndy:
1. Over 70% of the Bible verses you quote bars out of context.
2. I have pointed them to you. Go through your posts on nairaland and see what Christians say about you.
3. Repent while it is possible now

1. Again, I challenge you to list at least one verse passage I have so far quoted out-of-context in my discussion with you: one and explain why you believe it quoted out-of-context.

2. I have seen not a single place in this entire discourse, beginning from page 1, where you have done any such that you claim. Instead, all you have are attempts at asserting verses that you posted say what they don't.

3. I am quite OK with the Jesus Christ that I have as Master over my soul. I have no need for that which is master over you.

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No need to drag this one at this point. Simply point out the passages you accuse me of taking out-of-context or upturning, or I will be more than willing to accept that your accusation was false, part of the lies that Jesus Christ warned results from imbibing the doctrines and traditions of men.

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, I challenge you to list at least one verse passage I have so far quoted out-of-context in my discussion with you: one and explain why you believe it quoted out-of-context.

2. I have seen not a single place in this entire discourse, beginning from page 1, where you have done any such that you claim. Instead, all you have are attempts at asserting verses that you posted say what they don't.

3. I am quite OK with the Jesus Christ that I have as Master over my soul. I have no need for that which is master over you.

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No need to drag this one at this point. Simply point out the passages you accuse me of taking out-of-context or upturning, or I will be more than willing to accept that your accusation was false, part of the lies that Jesus Christ warned results from imbibing the doctrines and traditions of men.

Again, over 70% of your Bible quotes are out of context. You don't see your faults even when people point them to you over and over again.
You are like the Scribes and Pharisees who always see wrong in what Jesus does.