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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 10:42am On Dec 01, 2022
Donjazet2:


I see you left out Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia. Countries who escaped poverty but maintained using English language as their lingua franca. People who still adopted "foreign religions" but are thriving regardless.

I still maintain that clinging onto tribal sentiments is useless. Like entirely useless. I want to think that Africans of all would understand this better. The number one cause of strife and war in Africa is usually tribal differences. We choose to continue to see each other differently. And I think that this teaching of "mother tongue" in schools deepen that.

The use of English language (a common language) in Nigeria has been nothing but a blessing to us. There is no downside to all of us communicating and understanding each other with the same language.
It really doesn't matter if the Yoruba language or the Igbo language or the Hausa language dies off in so far as we progress forward as a people. By progress, I mean economically, socially, technologically and one can argue that our tribal sentiments and differences actually slow down these aforementioned progresses.

You need to leave behind this mentality of African culture superiority or the likes. It is truly a meaningless sentiment to have.
Those countries aren't First-World countries for a reason.

Don't bore me with lengthy posts. Just walk the talk and tell the elders in your community in your state to ditch their culture for the foreign culture of the English, and see how you'll be treated.

Everyone protects their culture for the future generations, but the foolish value another man's culture above their own and lose their identity.

Culture is the soul of a people.

If you're not proud of your Ibo heritage, don't assume everyone is a slave of the English like you.

I never said at any point that Yoruba language is the best language in the world. There's no best language in the world, as far as I'm concerned, but there are popular languages.

For a Yoruba person, the best language is Yoruba.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:43am On Dec 01, 2022
A001:

If it's not effective, why is it being practiced in many developed countries and other nations such as Germany, Japan, France, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, and others?

Well, you once said English is the best language in the world sha, yet the English don't see Yoruba as the best language in the world.

I know Yoruba is something to be ashamed of for people like you; it's local and backward.

You are referring to countries that have always had their local Language as the Language of instruction for 100's of years. I'm telling u it makes no sense in adding the complexity of having to learn new concept in a Language like Yoruba that even the speakers can't read and write appropriately.

If u want to know how hard what u are proposing is, just take ur time and listen to Yoruba newscasters trying to coin Yoruba words for some complex technological terms/ concept.

Please let's try and be civil. I didn't quote to wail on ur mention or cuss u out. I will appreciate if u maintain same energy.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 10:43am On Dec 01, 2022
izzou:
Japan has only one language, and different dialects.

Nigeria has 250 languages, and uncountable dialects

When a child learns Physics in Yoruba, he will come and write WAEC, NECO, JAMB, and the rest in English.

Or when he learns it in Yoruba, he gets an admission into UNIMAID, and begins to learn it in Hausa again.

Call me slave, but it is not worth it

A001 should write 'hello world' in yoruba tongue
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 10:44am On Dec 01, 2022
Donjazet2:


But you do know that the average igala man cares for nothing about Yoruba. Same thing with an ogoni man in rivers, or Ebira in logo or urhobo in Delta. One thing we all do care about though is the English language because it is the agreed upon language that we use to understand ourselves.

You're really making this cultural and tribal thing such a big deal!

And I dare say you're even being myopic and selfish. Because try to think of this, the ogoni tribe is a Kalahari tribe in rivers state are a minority tribe with not up to 200,000 People. There are many other small tribes like these scattered across Nigeria hence us having over 750 different tribes in such a small enclave.

Do you advocate that all these tribes start teaching maths, physics, chemistry in all the different languages? Common man!
As I said before, science is best taught in local languages. Teachers in each tribe (whether containing 100,000 or 10,000 people) should teach STEM in the local language of their people.

You're ashamed of your Ibo heritage. But you'll be crying marginalization all about. You don marginalize yourself already.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 10:46am On Dec 01, 2022
GloriousGbola:


A001 should write 'hello world' in yoruba tongue
That's easy.

But I didn't talk about tech here. We've to start from somewhere.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 10:46am On Dec 01, 2022
GloriousGbola:


A001 should write 'hello world' in yoruba tongue

Me i no understand at all

The moment you pass Ondo state, you are in another environment that speaks an entirely different language

So if i did Junior secondary education in Ondo state, learning STEM in Yoruba, i will have to start learning STEM again in Bini language, if I relocate there for SS studies

Using countries with just one language to defend this is unreasonable to me

Nigeria has over 250 languages...Over...

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 10:46am On Dec 01, 2022
this is how 'teachers' will hold us all back.

rather than leapfrog on already established knowledge, they would rather bog us down and hold us back in the name of - we are not slaves.

Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:46am On Dec 01, 2022
iamoyindamola:
Blueraydick i read some part in cuba, brazil speak yoruba same with some west africa countries close to us

Speaking Yoruba is something almost anybody who lives amongst Yoruba can do; even some Americans who migrate to naija can speak the Language fairly, reading and writing Yoruba is a different ball game entirely. I pride myself to be able to read and write the language well, but several others can't. Yoruba's dey get F9 steady for Yoruba Language in WAEC.

Now imagine learning concepts in Yoruba.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 10:52am On Dec 01, 2022
Look at the way they all reason. There's a reason why no Physics department in any Nigerian universities has been able to invent even the simplest of gadgets.

It's simply because the foundation is faulty. I know most of them here crammed concepts in Physics, Chemistry, and Math in secondary schools.

It's what most of us did to pass exams, and because of this lack of understanding, students can't remember and apply what they've been taught and create things with it.

I didn't expect less from people ashamed of their language and culture. It's an African thing to see himself as inferior to others and put foreign cultures above his.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:52am On Dec 01, 2022
iamoyindamola:

I actually struggle to write yoruba sentence because of the ami ohun but i can read it very
What shege is doing is first of it kind you will be surprise people will buy into it even though some will feel it is not necessary

Maybe It's good for the culture, but personally I feel it won't achieve much.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Donjazet2: 10:52am On Dec 01, 2022
A001:

As I said before, science is best taught in local languages. Teachers in each tribe (whether containing 100,000 or 10,000 people) should teach STEM in the local language of their people.

You're ashamed of your Ibo heritage. But you'll be crying marginalization all about. You don marginalize yourself already.

There is a big difference between being ashamed of something and not caring one bit about something. Being ashamed assumes that one cares about the thing. Being indifferent means you JUST DON'T CARE!

I do not care about my tribe. The elders in my village are totally meaningless to my life. My father has a chieftaincy title from our hometown and I know that apart from maybe egoism, it is virtually meaningless.

Tribal affiliation has no place in the modern world, you are vastly overstating the importance of tribal culture in the modern world.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 10:58am On Dec 01, 2022
izzou:


Me i no understand at all

The moment you pass Ondo state, you are in another environment that speaks an entirely different language

So if i did Junior secondary education in Ondo state, learning STEM in Yoruba, i will have to start learning STEM again in Bini language, if I relocate there for SS studies

Using countries with just one language to defend this is unreasonable to me

Nigeria has over 250 languages...Over...
In those countries where STEM is taught in their mother tongue, there are also ethnic minorities.

For instance, there are 55 ethnic minorities in China, with Han the major tribe. But teaching is done in Mandarin, the most popular language.

In Nigeria, teaching should be done in English and also in the popular language commonly spoken in each area (which is one of Yoruba, Hausa, or Ibo).
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:00am On Dec 01, 2022
A001:
Look at the way they all reason. There's a reason why no Physics department in any Nigerian universities has been able to invent even the simplest of gadgets.

It's simply because the foundation is faulty. I know most of them here crammed concepts in Physics, Chemistry, and Math in secondary schools.

It's what most of us did to pass exams, and because of this lack of understanding, students can't remember and apply what they've been taught and create things with it.

I didn't expect less from people ashamed of their language and culture. It's an African thing to see himself as inferior to others and put foreign cultures above his.

we crammed because of INCOMPETENT teachers who knew fuckall.

teachers too mentally lazy to impart knowledge

there is a reason most people who go to western nations for further studies only have bad things to say about nigerian lecturers

anyway, keep on

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by iamoyindamola(m): 11:03am On Dec 01, 2022
BlueRayDick:


Speaking Yoruba is something almost anybody who lives amongst Yoruba can do; even some Americans who migrate to naija can speak the Language fairly, reading and writing Yoruba is a different ball game entirely. I pride myself to be able to read and write the language well, but several others can't. Yoruba's dey get F9 steady for Yoruba Language in WAEC.

Now imagine learning concepts in Yoruba.
This is me I hate that Ami ohun
My papa vex well well that year grin grin
But if na french I they do well
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 11:04am On Dec 01, 2022
Donjazet2:


There is a big difference between being ashamed of something and not caring one bit about something. Being ashamed assumes that one cares about the thing. Being indifferent means you JUST DON'T CARE!

I do not care about my tribe. The elders in my village are totally meaningless to my life. My father has a chieftaincy title from our hometown and I know that apart from maybe egoism, it is virtually meaningless.

Tribal affiliation has no place in the modern world, you are vastly overstating the importance of tribal culture in the modern world.
Don't feel wronged when you're marginalized because you don marginalize yourself already with this kind of reasoning.

If you don't care about and respect your culture, others will also disrespect you.

You teach people how to treat you, and they'll treat you the way you regard yourself.

You're just an English slave. I'm sure you won't mind if Nigeria is recolonized since that would give power back to your masters.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:06am On Dec 01, 2022
izzou:


Me i no understand at all

The moment you pass Ondo state, you are in another environment that speaks an entirely different language

So if i did Junior secondary education in Ondo state, learning STEM in Yoruba, i will have to start learning STEM again in Bini language, if I relocate there for SS studies

Using countries with just one language to defend this is unreasonable to me

Nigeria has over 250 languages...Over...

What he is promoting conciously or unconsciously is eradication /erasure of relevance of any language that is not in our big five/six.

A polished and systematic overwriting of Nigerian minorities

You are not significant - no stem for you! Learn our language or fail!

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 11:07am On Dec 01, 2022
GloriousGbola:


we crammed because of INCOMPETENT teachers who knew fuckall.

teachers too mentally lazy to impart knowledge

there is a reason most people who go to western nations for further studies only have bad things to say about nigerian lecturers

anyway, keep on

Yes, most of the teachers are bad. This shows the current mode of teaching is poor and has failed miserably.

It needs to be improved and teaching STEM in native languages is one of the solutions needed to improve the system.

STEM should be taught in both a native language and English so science can develop in the local language in this part of the world, and not only in English which is for the English people.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 11:12am On Dec 01, 2022
GloriousGbola:


What he is promoting conciously or unconsciously is eradication /erasure of relevance of any language that is not in our big five/six.

A polished and systematic overwriting of Nigerian minorities

You are not significant - no stem for you! Learn our language or fail!
You're funny. What happens to Igala people teaching their students in Igala language and other minorities doing the same?

Or is it a Yoruba man that doesn't understand Igala that will translate STEM to Igala language?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:12am On Dec 01, 2022
A001:

Yes, most of the teachers are bad. This shows the current mode of teaching is poor and has failed miserably.

It needs to be improved and teaching STEM in native languages is one of the solutions needed to improve the system.

STEM should be taught in both a native language and English so science can develop in the local language in this part of the world, and not only in English which is for the English people.

The teachers are bad because like you they are looking for alternatives, rather than buckling down to hard work.

A person who does not really understand the subject material will never be able to teach it

As it is in most Nigerian institutions there are no consequences for failure as a teacher, so here we are.

No be naija lecturers dey talk say the best you will get is a d with pride?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 11:13am On Dec 01, 2022
If you understand something well, you can teach it in any language. It's a lack of understanding that makes you say you can't teach Physics in your mother tongue.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Olowunl01: 11:14am On Dec 01, 2022
GloriousGbola:


It is my foolish jjc kinsmen who are aligning with these jokers I feel sorry for.
It is nothing I have not seen before. Dyed in the wool, hardcore tribalists forming cosmopolitan crusader. The Mask go comot. It is inevitable cheesy cheesy

Ah Oga mi - This your missile hit me, Oga how exactly are you different from DonJ? You are basically asking us to vote according to tribal lines; if the northerners do likewise; your Tinubu is toast.

As a freeborn lagosian and yoruba man grin I cannot because Tinubu is yoruba vote for him without questioning... even Awolowo didn't get such free pass... Oga you should be above this level of thinking based on your education and exposure... Tinubu is not god of lagosians or yoruba angry I detest Tribalism, and we go dey Obido Oyibo dey shout racism.

Oga if Tinubu cannot come out and do a few presidental debate, show his mental alertness and quash all the rumours surrounding his health, then its a Big NO for me... especially discounting all other issues surrounding his candidacy. How is that Foolish??The reason Nigeria is the way it is today is cos its citizens dont ask qurstions, here even your 5yr old will ask you why.

Haba naa on this same chat I have rooted for Fashola & Osinbajo, Is Tinubu more yoruba than them?

Make we continue to dey deceive ourself, naso una do give F9 Buhari awhole 8yrs... Like the PDP guys are saying the only reason we are chatting about Tinubu lagos is Buhari failure, if Buhari had performed like Fashola or Ambode, then the presidency becomes a walk in the park for Tinubu...

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:15am On Dec 01, 2022
A001:

You're funny. What happens to Igala people teaching their students in Igala language and other minorities doing the same?

Or is it a Yoruba man that doesn't understand Igala that will translate STEM to Igala language?

Maybe you should branch out into statistics.

Do minorities have a large enough pool of teachers for your stem crusade?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 11:16am On Dec 01, 2022
GloriousGbola:


Maybe you should branch out into statistics.

Do minorities have a large enough pool of teachers for your stem crusade?

Minorities have no teachers that understand their mother tongue? Lols.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:16am On Dec 01, 2022
Olowunl01:


Ah Oga mi - This your missile hit me, Oga how exactly are you different from DonJ? You are basically asking us to vote according to tribal lines; if the northerners do likewise; your Tinubu is toast.

As a freeborn lagosian and yoruba man grin I cannot because Tinubu is yoruba vote for him without questioning... even Awolowo didn't get such free pass... Oga you should be above this level of thinking based on your education and exposure... Tinubu is not god of lagosians or yoruba angry I detest Tribalism, and we go dey Obido Oyibo dey shout racism.

Oga if Tinubu cannot come out and do a few presidental debate, show his mental alertness and quash all the rumours surrounding his health, then its a Big NO for me... especially discounting all other issues surrounding his candidacy. How is that Foolish??The reason Nigeria is the way it is today is cos its citizens dont ask qurstions, here even your 5yr old will ask you why.

Haba naa on this same chat I have rooted for Fashola & Osinbajo, Is Tinubu more yoruba than them?

Make we continue to dey deceive ourself, naso una do give F9 Buhari awhole 8yrs... Like the PDP guys are saying the only reason we are chatting about Tinubu lagos is Buhari failure, if Buhari had performed like Fashola or Ambode, then the presidency becomes a walk in the park for Tinubu...

First off it has been partially established that we do not know who you really are. Seeing as you are clearly an old member hiding under a new handle.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Segedinho(m): 11:18am On Dec 01, 2022
Civil war.... grin

Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:21am On Dec 01, 2022
A001:

Minorities have no teachers that understand their mother tongue? Lols.

Those who can't do - teach

Assumption. We have 5 million Yorubas. We have five hundred thousand Igalas.

Do the Igalas have a large enough pool of teachers based on their numbers to meet stem requirements?

Because this is the first outcome of your proposal. Teachers will be limited to regions. All that supplementing underserviced schools with youth corpers from other tribes will no longer work.

Already there is a dearth of competent teachers. Now you want to introduce teaching in native language, which will reduce the pool further.

Are you actually able to look two or three steps ahead, or you are just limited to dreams?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 11:25am On Dec 01, 2022
GloriousGbola:


Those who can't do - teach

Assumption. We have 5 million Yorubas. We have five hundred thousand Igalas.

Do the Igalas have a large enough pool of teachers based on their numbers to meet stem requirements?

Because this is the first outcome of your proposal. Teachers will be limited to regions. All that supplementing underserviced schools with youth corpers from other tribes will no longer work.

Already there is a dearth of competent teachers. Now you want to introduce teaching in native language, which will reduce the pool further.

Are you actually able to look two or three steps ahead, or you are just limited to dreams?
You're a just myopic person who can't see beyond his nose. Clerics of the Igala people deliver sermons and religious teachings in Igala language and English language.

The same practice can be adopted to teaching STEM in schools in minor areas.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 11:27am On Dec 01, 2022
Whether it's a major or minor tribe, religious instructions are taught in the native tongue (along with English).

Science too can be taught the same way.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Donjazet2: 11:28am On Dec 01, 2022
GloriousGbola:


First off it has been partially established that we do not know who you really are. Seeing as you are clearly an old member hiding under a new handle.

I don't know why I laughed at this post. It's clearly a case of pot calling kettle black. Your moniker is clearly an alternate, so what is your original moniker. You are an old user by all accounts so what is your main account?

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:37am On Dec 01, 2022
A001:

You're a just myopic person who can't see beyond his nose. Clerics of the Igala people deliver sermons and religious teachings in Igala language and English language.

The same practice can be adopted to teaching STEM in schools in minor areas.


You keep on conflating 60 minute sermons from books that originated as oral traditions with teaching hard science

You think honor thy father and thy mother is the same as what is the potential energy of an 10kg object at an elevation of 5 metres?

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 11:38am On Dec 01, 2022
Donjazet2:


I don't know why I laughed at this post. It's clearly a case of pot calling kettle black. Your moniker is clearly an alternate, so what is your original moniker. You are an old user by all accounts so what is your main account?

You are the neophyte jjc who cannot figure out who I am. That is all

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 11:40am On Dec 01, 2022
iamoyindamola:

This is me I hate that Ami ohun
My papa vex well well that year grin grin
But if na french I they do well

Now Imagine trying to learn all ur science subjects in English Language.....Or someone trying to learn Financial Accounting in Yoruba and write ICAN in Yoruba.........ICAN wey be say people still dey fail despite grasping the principles and practice in English grin

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