In Europe, your job makes little difference to how much you can earn, there is a zero chance of a high-paying job no matter which degree you do or how ambitious or motivated you are.

Being an ambitious motivated young person in Europe means going down the career path meaning after university, you are expected to work in big corporations.

European universities produce more diplomas than jobs so every year there is another cohort of easily exploitable people
this results in career positions requiring 80 hours of no overtime pay a week level of effort just not to get fired. You get paid 25% over low-effort careers. this is the depressing state of the current state of Europe and as long as you remain within Europe there is no escape from this

for instance

An engineer working 80 hours a week for a multinational company makes about 2500€ net a month
An amazon call center in Italy makes about 1350 euros per month
A Specialist on call in the Balkans countries earns 2000 euros per month depending on the region/city or country. while a primary care doctor fresh out of med school earns 800 (eight hundred) euros.

For example in France, a cop in Paris (the lowest level) something like 20 years old is paid 2,100 euros net per month.
A programmer at 25 years old and after a computer science degree is paid 1,800 euros net per month
A plumber, who dropped out of high school at 16 is already making 3,000 euros net per month at 25 years old, the same for butchers and welders
of course, the programmer will get a better salary with time but the cop, the welder, the butcher, and the plumbers too
when each one of them is 30, only the butcher, the plumber, and the welder are homeowners

The system there is not designed to make you rich. You should be comfortable and your neighbours should be comfortable too (i.e), there should be an equitable distribution of wealth/resources amongst citizens.

So if you are looking for where to go and pack all the money to show off or acquire all the properties in Nigeria, some of these European countries are definitely not for you.

That their system get as e be.

Come to think of it, it's similar with our country.

Newly graduated doctors earn below ₦200k per month, likewise 90% of graduates working while some mechanics earns above ₦500k monthly.

This matter just get as e be. My childhood friend who chose to be a driver have 3 houses and other assets
While the rest of us that went to school are struggling to finish our first building

This life sometimes can be funny

If you wan high salaries go to USA. It’s their system and it works for them. Why should people who are not up to 10% of the workforce make all the money while others suffer and live in poverty Also notice that in europe its hard to start something from scratch that will blow like in usa or china

Ahmed0336:
That their system get as e be.

Come to think of it, it's similar with our country.

Newly graduated doctors earn below ₦200k per month, likewise 90% of graduates working while some mechanics earns above ₦500k monthly.

This matter just get as e be. My childhood friend who chose to be a driver have 3 houses and other assets
While the rest of us that went to school are struggling to finish our first building

This life sometimes can be funny

drivers dey divert fuel and also do personal runs with company vehicles.

pocohantas:
The system there is not designed to make you rich. You should be comfortable and your neighbours should be comfortable too. That is, there should be an equitable distribution of wealth/resources amongst citizens.

So if you are looking for where to go and pack all the money to show off or acquire all the properties in Nigeria, some of these European countries are definitely not for you.

that is the consequence of practicing socialism.

Ahmed0336:
That their system get as e be.

Come to think of it, it's similar with our country.

Newly graduated doctors earn below ₦200k per month, likewise 90% of graduates working while some mechanics earns above ₦500k monthly.

This matter just get as e be. My childhood friend who chose to be a driver have 3 houses and other assets
While the rest of us that went to school are struggling to finish our first building

This life sometimes can be funny

that is true, I guess because we are also practising socialism, something that we copied from our colonial masters

ednut1:
If you wan high salaries go to USA. It’s their system and it works for them. Why should people who are not up to 10% of the workforce make all the money while others suffer and live in poverty Also notice that in europe its hard to start something from scratch that will blow like in usa or china

Yes I think the reason why wages are high in the United States is because of capitalism

the american system also encourages entrepreneurship, so you are rewarded for your hard work and determination with riches, that is if your biz is successful.

pocohantas:
The system there is not designed to make you rich. You should be comfortable and your neighbours should be comfortable too (i.e), there should be an equitable distribution of wealth/resources amongst citizens.

So if you are looking for where to go and pack all the money to show off or acquire all the properties in Nigeria, some of these European countries are definitely not for you.

Honestly especially the UK when I see Nigerians selling everything to rush to the UK I wonder what they gave them to drink. The salaries in that country are nothing to write home about. The taxes are a lot and the cost of living is through the roof. There's even a housing deficit at the moment.

tensazangetsu20:


Honestly especially the UK when I see Nigerians selling everything to rush to the UK I wonder what they gave them to drink. The salaries in that country are nothing to write home about. The taxes are a lot and the cost of living is through the roof. There's even a housing deficit at the moment.

Some of the reasons they give;
1) A second passport.
2) For their kids future.
3) Nigeria is an unsafe country.

4) Better standard of living, healthcare, education, etc…

5) A cleaner in London is better than a bank manager in Nigeria. Bank managers done suffer sha.

Make I balance for this thread.

pocohantas:


Some of the reasons they give;
1) A second passport.
2) For their kids future.
3) Nigeria is an unsafe country.

4) Better standard of living, healthcare, education, etc…

5) A cleaner in London is better than a bank manager in Nigeria. Bank managers done suffer sha.

It's just that people dont research. There's a lot of UK level passports that could easily be gotten. In Portugal, if you have stayed for more than a year and you give birth your kids qualify for an eu passport. There's a ton of other countries with strong passport travel privileges which people dont know that has everything the UK has and less taxes and less cost of living. And the thing is that not everyone will stay long enough to even get that UK passport. It's the same sort of jobs everyone is struggling to get after studies and that job no sure and the laws are always changing. UK has cancelled this post study work visa before and left a lot of people stranded.

tensazangetsu20:

It's just that people dont research. There's a lot of UK level passports that could easily be gotten. In Portugal, if you have stayed for more than a year and you give birth your kids qualify for an eu passport. There's a ton of other countries with strong passport travel privileges which people dont know that has everything the UK has and less taxes and less cost of living. And the thing is that not everyone will stay long enough to even get that UK passport. It's the same sort of jobs everyone is struggling to get after studies and that job no sure and the laws are always changing. UK has cancelled this post study work visa before and left a lot of people stranded.

It is not like they don’t research. The reason many go for UK is the ease of getting the study visa. Maybe affordability when compared to some EU countries.

There was this trending video of a family in Nigeria and UK. A friend saw it and she asked how they got visa. I bet she was shocked she would be sharing UK with them.p

pocohantas:


It is not like they don’t research. The reason many go for UK is the ease of getting the study visa. Maybe affordability when compared to some other EU countries.

There was this trending video of a family in Nigeria and UK. A friend saw it and she asked how they got visa. I bet she was shocked she would be sharing UK with them.p

The UK is more expensive than other countries. I think it's just the language barrier. No one wants to learn a new language. That's difficult as hell depending on the age you are in.

tensazangetsu20:

The UK is more expensive than other countries. I think it's just the language barrier. No one wants to learn a new language. That's difficult as hell depending on the age you are in.

True. I was just about to edit and add that.

When I hear all these migrants weh dey go Europe dey chant better life for my unborn kids,I just dey laugh.
90% chance say you and that your unborn kids and your tired looking hag of a wife the European economic system can give you go end up for one rundown BQ looking apartment in any major city.
If na UK You dey ,worse!
Your sons will most likely join hooligans to be gallivanting and your daughters might give birth before 16 inside that same BQ and you either force her to go stay with the hooligan that impregnated her or all of una continue inside the BQ.
Your security guard work na standard,that one sure pass surebet.
Trekking na grade one,them no born your immigrant ass to buy motor for that useless place.
Then cold,conji and useless food weh dey that place sef dey enough to frustrate you.
They cook and serve rubbish and still have the mind to ration the portion of food.
Before you know it,your time Don pass,your peers you left back in Nigeria who you were probably better than are doing so well.
Your only consolation be say you dey stay first World and use it to boast to niggas,but you live there lower than a rat!
Na this underdogs weh nobody send their papa dey first shout Nigeria isn't safe !One even dey tell me say when I dey come over ?Say nothing dey bongo again
This happens to 90% of the people that make this transition.
If you dey Africa and you have an income source,no matter how bad it may seem,I'd advise you to stay and keep building ,over time,it might become worthwhile.
If you have nothing doing in Africa,please go if you think it'll be better for you there.
I even forgot to add racism,especially Germany.
If you mistakenly end up for all these German towns without black population ehn,hunger for toto go make you craze!!!
At 35 you go still dey carry vaseline up and down dey beat your meat or you fit see one granny to help your life ,Toto no dey Europe ooo!!
Unless maybe you be student then just maybe you fit get standard girlfriend.

thebosstrevor1:


Yes I think the reason why wages are high in the United States is because of capitalism

the american system also encourages entrepreneurship, so you are rewarded for your hard work and determination with riches, that is if your biz is successful.

If USA did not fight for independence from UK, they would have been like UK today.

SeaTrade:
When I hear all these migrants weh dey go Europe dey chant better life for my unborn kids,I just dey laugh.
90% chance say you and that your unborn kids and your tired looking hag of a wife the European economic system can give you go end up for one rundown BQ looking apartment in any major city.
If na UK You dey ,worse!
Your sons will most likely join hooligans to be gallivanting and your daughters might give birth before 16 inside that same BQ and you either force her to go stay with the hooligan that impregnated her or all of una continue inside the BQ.
Your security guard work na standard,that one sure pass surebet.
Trekking na grade one,them no born your immigrant ass to buy motor for that useless place.
Then cold,conji and useless food weh dey that place sef dey enough to frustrate you.
They cook and serve rubbish and still have the mind to ration the portion of food.
Before you know it,your time Don pass,your peers you left back in Nigeria who you were probably better than are doing so well.
Your only consolation be say you dey stay first World and use it to boast to niggas,but you live there lower than a rat!
Na this underdogs weh nobody send their papa dey first shout Nigeria isn't safe !One even dey tell me say when I dey come over ?Say nothing dey bongo again
This happens to 90% of the people that make this transition.

a lot of children of Nigerians immigrants that went abroad in the 80s and 90s are doing well. Doctors, nurses, tech people, supply chain, social work, teachers, business owners , Personal trainers etc dem full there. There are obviously some that became what you wrote there. I was in the Uk from 15 to 18 years, the people i was around then. Most of them are living a comfortable life they have access to the best times of life and can travel on vacations. One of them that wasnt good in studies is now a Chef making good money. Make una rest. Even in USA see below
https://www.ozy.com/around-the-world/the-most-successful-ethnic-group-in-the-u-s-may-surprise-you/86885/

pocohantas:
The system there is not designed to make you rich. You should be comfortable and your neighbours should be comfortable too (i.e), there should be an equitable distribution of wealth/resources amongst citizens.

So if you are looking for where to go and pack all the money to show off or acquire all the properties in Nigeria, some of these European countries are definitely not for you.

I concur

ednut1:
a lot of children of Nigerians immigrants that went abroad in the 80s and 90s are doing well. Doctors, nurses, tech people, supply chain, social work, teachers, business owners , Personal trainers etc dem full there. There are obviously some that became what you wrote there. I was in the Uk from 15 to 18 years, the people i was around then. Most of them are living a comfortable life they have access to the best times of life and can travel on vacations. One of them that wasnt good in studies is now a Chef making good money. Make una rest. Even in USA see below
https://www.ozy.com/around-the-world/the-most-successful-ethnic-group-in-the-u-s-may-surprise-you/86885/

No dey show me link oga ,I get eyes and I see things first hand.Besides your link na about America and not Europe.
Those kids you're talking about aren't average immigrant kids.
No go one middle class neighbourhood come dey draw conclusions.
How many of those security guard kids ended up so well like you described?

This is a typical american wages after tax

1000-2000/mo is poverty lower middle class
3000-5000/mo is middle class
6000-10000k/mo is upper high class
11000+/mo is rich in america

SeaTrade:
No dey show me link oga ,I get eyes and I see things first hand.Besides your link na about America and not Europe.
Those kids you're talking about aren't average immigrant kids.
No go one middle class neighbourhood come dey draw conclusions.
How many of those security guard kids ended up so well like you described?

many of them ended up well. Meanwhile there are many whose parents refused to japa and those kids are over 30 years still living in their parents house waiting for them to die so they can sell their properties, some are earning less than 50k salary, some have no job.

ednut1:
many of them ended up well. Meanwhile there are many whose parents refused to japa and those kids are over 30 years still living in their parents house waiting for them to die so they can sell their properties, some are earning less than 50k salary, some have no job.

Story .
I said if you've got nothing doing in naija,please go to Europe.Atleast you will be able to afford food and other rudiments.
My only issue is leaving prospects one have built in Africa to go and be chasing shadows in UK ugly cities.
It's not worth it.

SeaTrade:
When I hear all these migrants weh dey go Europe dey chant better life for my unborn kids,I just dey laugh.
90% chance say you and that your unborn kids and your tired looking hag of a wife the European economic system can give you go end up for one rundown BQ looking apartment in any major city.
If na UK You dey ,worse!
Your sons will most likely join hooligans to be gallivanting and your daughters might give birth before 16 inside that same BQ and you either force her to go stay with the hooligan that impregnated her or all of una continue inside the BQ.
Your security guard work na standard,that one sure pass surebet.
Trekking na grade one,them no born your immigrant ass to buy motor for that useless place.
Then cold,conji and useless food weh dey that place sef dey enough to frustrate you.
They cook and serve rubbish and still have the mind to ration the portion of food.
Before you know it,your time Don pass,your peers you left back in Nigeria who you were probably better than are doing so well.
Your only consolation be say you dey stay first World and use it to boast to niggas,but you live there lower than a rat!
Na this underdogs weh nobody send their papa dey first shout Nigeria isn't safe !One even dey tell me say when I dey come over ?Say nothing dey bongo again
This happens to 90% of the people that make this transition.
If you dey Africa and you have an income source,no matter how bad it may seem,I'd advise you to stay and keep building ,over time,it might become worthwhile.
If you have nothing doing in Africa,please go if you think it'll be better for you there.
I even forgot to add racism,especially Germany.
If you mistakenly end up for all these German towns without black population ehn,hunger for toto go make you craze!!!
At 35 you go still dey carry vaseline up and down dey beat your meat or you fit see one granny to help your life ,Toto no dey Europe ooo!!
Unless maybe you be student then just maybe you fit get standard girlfriend.

After reading this, morale... Low

tensazangetsu20:

It's just that people dont research. There's a lot of UK level passports that could easily be gotten. In Portugal, if you have stayed for more than a year and you give birth your kids qualify for an eu passport. There's a ton of other countries with strong passport travel privileges which people dont know that has everything the UK has and less taxes and less cost of living. And the thing is that not everyone will stay long enough to even get that UK passport. It's the same sort of jobs everyone is struggling to get after studies and that job no sure and the laws are always changing. UK has cancelled this post study work visa before and left a lot of people stranded.

I don't really see how Portugal is easier or better. Salaries aren't exactly mind-blowing there either. The country has the 6th most powerful passport in the world alongside Ireland, France and the UK. It takes the same number of years to be a citizen (5 years with a few different conditions). In the UK, your child also qualifies for citizenship if you're legally settled in the country and even though they're no longer in the EU, it's still a global passport backed by many bilateral agreements. Taxes might be lower in Portugal but that comes at a cost. You must learn Portuguese to pass the citizenship screening and the country is less diverse than the UK, which means more racism. You said there are tons of countries with strong passports; the question is, how many of them are anglophone? Or you don't see the role of language in migration patterns or even in life's endeavors?

In life, everything is about struggling. You've mentioned why the UK path is a struggle, but the mere fact that you have to learn Portuguese to be a citizen or get a great job in Portugal makes that path a a big struggle too, and staying in Nigeria is not any easier. So let people do whichever one thet feel they have what it takes to do. Don't assume they don't do thier research. People aren't exactly dumb.

etrange:


I don't really see how Portugal is easier or better. Salaries aren't exactly mind-blowing there either. The country has the 6th most powerful passport in the world alongside Ireland, France and the UK. It takes the same number of years to be a citizen (5 years with a few different conditions). In the UK, your child also qualifies for citizenship if you're legally settled in the country and even though they're no longer in the EU, it's still a global passport backed by many bilateral agreements. Taxes might be lower in Portugal but that comes at a cost. You must learn Portuguese to pass the citizenship screening and the country is less diverse than the UK, which means more racism. You said there are tons of countries with strong passports; the question is, how many of them are anglophone? Or you don't see the role of language in migration patterns or even in life's endeavors?

In life, everything is about struggling. You've mentioned why the UK path is a struggle, but the mere fact that you have to learn Portuguese to be a citizen or get a great job in Portugal makes that path a a big struggle too, and staying in Nigeria is not any easier. So let people do whichever one thet feel they have what it takes to do. Don't assume they don't do thier research. People aren't exactly dumb.

Great job ke?
You for ask if work dey Portugal at all

SeaTrade:
Great job ke?
You for ask if work dey Portugal at all

Lmao...

Americans at age 35 if they spend like Europeans and invest the rest, they will be able to retire while Europeans at age 35 If they work hard for another 35 years then the government needs to bring in more immigrants so that they can pay Europeans a miserable pension through taxing immigrants.

btw, A software programmer in Sweden makes $48k a year, you also have to pay 52% in taxes which is not really worth it. you will also have free healthcare but the average waiting queue is 3 years. People with cancer sometimes die in the queue.

Europe only surpasses America on the extreme ends of the scale, where you either have absolutely nothing (and benefit from social safety nets) or already have millions of dollars to experience the best that Europe has to offer.

There is significantly less social mobility on the higher end, so unless you are very lucky you will likely stay in the same social class that you were born into. the goals of some of the most ambitious Europeans is to make money in America and then retire to an estate in southern France/northern Italy.

etrange:


I don't really see how Portugal is easier or better. Salaries aren't exactly mind-blowing there either. The country has the 6th most powerful passport in the world alongside Ireland, France and the UK. It takes the same number of years to be a citizen (5 years with a few different conditions). In the UK, your child also qualifies for citizenship if you're legally settled in the country and even though they're no longer in the EU, it's still a global passport backed by many bilateral agreements. Taxes might be lower in Portugal but that comes at a cost. You must learn Portuguese to pass the citizenship screening and the country is less diverse than the UK, which means more racism. You said there are tons of countries with strong passports; the question is, [b]how many of them are anglophone? [/b]Or you don't see the role of language in migration patterns or even in life's endeavors?

In life, everything is about struggling. You've mentioned why the UK path is a struggle, but the mere fact that you have to learn Portuguese to be a citizen or get a great job in Portugal makes that path a a big struggle too, and staying in Nigeria is not any easier. So let people do whichever one thet feel they have what it takes to do. Don't assume they don't do thier research. People aren't exactly dumb.

This. Going by this you are limited to just 4 countries to migrate to.

SeaTrade:
Great job ke?
You for ask if work dey Portugal at all

tensazangetsu20:


This. Going by this you are limited to just 4 countries to migrate to.

I don't understand. Going by what? And which four countries? I pointed out many things that should be put into consideration: language, passport index, job availability, salary, tax, diversity/racism, naturalization, etc. None of these things should be treated in isolation, and when all are considered, Portugal isn't any better option than the UK. That was the point in that comment.

pocohantas:


Some of the reasons they give;
1) A second passport.
2) For their kids future.
3) Nigeria is an unsafe country.

4) Better standard of living, healthcare, education, etc…

5) A cleaner in London is better than a bank manager in Nigeria. Bank managers done suffer sha

Na wetin dey burst my head when people make certain comparisons. Nigeria has her issues, but they should never compare a cleaner or warehouse operative like one debated with me recently to a bank manager in Nigeria. People see contract staff as bankers, and that is not a true representation of the industry's remuneration. They should say, "a cleaner in the UK has better prospects than a contract staff banker in Nigeria", and one might not bother. My friend who got into UBA started earning 250K and decided to stay after NYSC in a state with LCOL. I will discourage her from heading to the UK unless for MBA programs and if so, must either be LBS, Said or Judges. Anything else, enter the US.

The other comparison is changing currencies while in the abroad. Unless the person intends to return home immediately and decides to save along the way, it might make sense. But by living there, people should stop the needless conversions, they don't make economic sense.