The alternative for those who eventually attain UK citizenship status is to move to Switzerland (the immigration system here is even more ridiculous than anywhere else), Australia, the US or Singapore. China could be another option depending on skillset. The Middle East, too, is a good option. You can even return to Nigeria or other parts of Africa as an expat. _{Just don't become a witch by dissuading others from doing what you did.} There is a reason the passport is strong, don't just siddon and lament like some of them do on NL. I understand it won't be easy for married folks, but sha, keep building on your skillset. It is akin to those who lament of no knacks in Canada or even the UK while holding a Canadian/British passport. What stops you from moving to Central America or even Jamaica if you are a woman?

Maybe because I am a young man, _{but sha, no be me say make dem rush go marry}

thebosstrevor1:
In Europe, your job makes little difference to how much you can earn, there is a zero chance of a high-paying job no matter which degree you do or how ambitious or motivated you are.

Being an ambitious motivated young person in Europe means going down the career path meaning after university, you are expected to work in big corporations.

European universities produce more diplomas than jobs so every year there is another cohort of easily exploitable people
this results in career positions requiring 80 hours of no overtime pay a week level of effort just not to get fired. You get paid 25% over low-effort careers. this is the depressing state of the current state of Europe and as long as you remain within Europe there is no escape from this

for instance

An engineer working 80 hours a week for a multinational company makes about 2500€ net a month
An amazon call center in Italy makes about 1350 euros per month
A Specialist on call in the Balkans countries earns 2000 euros per month depending on the region/city or country. while a primary care doctor fresh out of med school earns 800 (eight hundred) euros.

For example in France, a cop in Paris (the lowest level) something like 20 years old is paid 2,100 euros net per month.
A programmer at 25 years old and after a computer science degree is paid 1,800 euros net per month
A plumber, who dropped out of high school at 16 is already making 3,000 euros net per month at 25 years old, the same for butchers and welders
of course, the programmer will get a better salary with time but the cop, the welder, the butcher, and the plumbers too
when each one of them is 30, only the butcher, the plumber, and the welder are homeowners

I agree salaries are low in Europe compared to America, Switzerland or Australia. But the professions you mentioned above are normal or average jobs of which even in the US, they won't earn above $50k.

But when you talk of investment bankers, surgeons and Tech people working for top teir firms, the pay is great. the reason why we look at it this way, is because we think from the average class.

Europe still has more billionaires and millionaires than Africa.

I'll give you an example from my perspective. I'm into tech, and I look at the higher spectrum of things if am relocating. Top tier firms like Palantir pay even better than Google in the UK. Am talking of £93k/yr for a new grad minus bonuses. The total pay mounts to around £117k as of 2021. You can check levels.fyi for real data and reddit. Though I might sound biased from a software engineering background.

Truth is we all can't think the same, and that's why this life "no balance " . For me, I love being in the top 1% of my field , and though I don't fancy the UK, but I won't settle for less either

ednut1:
drivers dey divert fuel and also do personal runs with company vehicles.

this oga just dey Canada ni, he dey talk like person wey dey stay oshodi... He too Sabi everything wey dey happen for this country

Hannania:
I agree salaries are low in Europe compared to America, Switzerland or Australia. But the professions you mentioned above are normal or average jobs of which even in the US, they won't earn above $50k.

But when you talk of investment bankers, surgeons and Tech people working for top teir firms, the pay is great. the reason why we look at it this way, is because we think from the average class.

Europe still has more billionaires and millionaires than Africa.

I'll give you an example from my perspective. I'm into tech, and I look at the higher spectrum of things if am relocating. Top tier firms like Palantir pay even better than Google in the UK. Am talking of £93k/yr for a new grad minus bonuses. The total pay mounts to around £117k as of 2021. You can check levels.fyi for real data and reddit. Though I might sound biased from a software engineering background.

Truth is we all can't think the same, and that's why this life "no balance " . For me, I love being in the top 1% of my field , and though I don't fancy the UK, but I won't settle for less either

you talk like one of those snake oil sellers who sell dreams bigger than themselves

Anyway, I see tech bros now like semi-skilled assembly line workers who are paid to manufacture software widgets

fact is that the higher iq you are, the hardest it is to find joy in coding

I will only suggest people travel to the UK, make money and come back to Nigeria to invest.
A scenario: A couple who went for MBA will experience tough times the 1st year. Yes.

The 2nd year, both couples start working, earning at least 2k/month each = 4k for both (provided it's not a great job o). Let's assume they spend 2k/month(Rent, Tax, Bills, Groceries and Miscellaneous) keeping 2k every month. That's 48k at the end of their 2-year post study visa.

Now bring the £48k to Nigeria and convert at black market rate of N850 to N40.8 million.

Shey you now understand?

SeaTrade:
When I hear all these migrants weh dey go Europe dey chant better life for my unborn kids,I just dey laugh.
90% chance say you and that your unborn kids and your tired looking hag of a wife the European economic system can give you go end up for one rundown BQ looking apartment in any major city.
If na UK You dey ,worse!
Your sons will most likely join hooligans to be gallivanting and your daughters might give birth before 16 inside that same BQ and you either force her to go stay with the hooligan that impregnated her or all of una continue inside the BQ.
Your security guard work na standard,that one sure pass surebet.
Trekking na grade one,them no born your immigrant ass to buy motor for that useless place.
Then cold,conji and useless food weh dey that place sef dey enough to frustrate you.
They cook and serve rubbish and still have the mind to ration the portion of food.
Before you know it,your time Don pass,your peers you left back in Nigeria who you were probably better than are doing so well.
Your only consolation be say you dey stay first World and use it to boast to niggas,but you live there lower than a rat!
Na this underdogs weh nobody send their papa dey first shout Nigeria isn't safe !One even dey tell me say when I dey come over ?Say nothing dey bongo again
This happens to 90% of the people that make this transition.
If you dey Africa and you have an income source,no matter how bad it may seem,I'd advise you to stay and keep building ,over time,it might become worthwhile.
If you have nothing doing in Africa,please go if you think it'll be better for you there.
I even forgot to add racism,especially Germany.
If you mistakenly end up for all these German towns without black population ehn,hunger for toto go make you craze!!!
At 35 you go still dey carry vaseline up and down dey beat your meat or you fit see one granny to help your life ,Toto no dey Europe ooo!!
Unless maybe you be student then just maybe you fit get standard girlfriend.

But then they Bleep their selves sha

Abi them nor like to Bleep immigrants

Thortp:
I will only suggest people travel to the UK, make money and come back to Nigeria to invest.
A scenario: A couple who went for MBA will experience tough times the 1st year. Yes.

The 2nd year, both couples start working, earning at least 2k/month each = 4k for both (provided it's not a great job o). Let's assume they spend 2k/month(Rent, Tax, Bills, Groceries and Miscellaneous) keeping 2k every month. That's 48k at the end of their 2-year post study visa.

Now bring the £48k to Nigeria and convert at black market rate of N850 to N40.8 million.

Shey you now understand?

The school fee for the degree weh make them give you the visa and allow you in their country na free ba?
Outright multiplication Don make people invest with their emotions a lot sha,no worries.

Also, think about what I meant by rough 1st year.

SeaTrade:
The school fee for the degree weh make them give you the visa and allow you in their country na free ba?
Outright multiplication Don make people invest with their emotions a lot sha,no worries.

Irupetepete:
this oga just dey Canada ni, he dey talk like person wey dey stay oshodi... He too Sabi everything wey dey happen for this country

funny, its common knowledge na. I don work as accountant before and the company had 3 drivers.

Western Europe practice 20% capitalism and 80% socialism.. which means you can't be super rich while you neighbor is super poor.. never!

If u want to making it super rich, then go to the USA, African rich natural resources countries like Nigeria etc.

thebosstrevor1:


you talk like one of those snake oil sellers who sell dreams bigger than themselves

Anyway, I see tech bros now like semi-skilled assembly line workers who are paid to manufacture software widgets

fact is that the higher iq your are, the hardest it is to find joy in coding

You forget the world does not revolve around your thought process
CTOs, Technical Product managers and Tech founders have backgrounds

pocohantas:




5) A cleaner in London is better than a bank manager in Nigeria. Bank managers done suffer sha.

Oshey poco-poco you don go there kon confirm am abi.

thebosstrevor1:
This is a typical american wages

1000-2000/mo is poverty lower middle class
3000-5000/mo is middle class
6000-10000k/mo is upper high class
11000+/mo is rich in america

$1m a day nko those young black Americans .

Gerrard59:


Na wetin dey burst my head when people make certain comparisons. Nigeria has her issues, but they should never compare a cleaner or warehouse operative like one debated with me recently to a bank manager in Nigeria. People see contract staff as bankers, and that is not a true representation of the industry's remuneration. They should say, "a cleaner in the UK has better prospects than a contract staff banker in Nigeria", and one might not bother. My friend who got into UBA started earning 250K and decided to stay after NYSC in a state with LCOL. I will discourage her from heading to the UK unless for MBA programs and if so, must either be LBS, Said or Judges. Anything else, enter the US.

The other comparison is changing currencies while in the abroad. Unless the person intends to return home immediately and decides to save along the way, it might make sense. But by living there, people should stop the needless conversions, they don't make economic sense.

A friend of mine moved to Netherland few months ago. Although he's working with someone papers for now while they split the salary 50/50

He makes over a million monthly.

His rent is 266k naira

He sends his mom and family 200k monthly and saves the rest.

At least, he saves over 500k monthly.

Imagine what he will save after getting his papers.

As a youth, work hard and come back here and invest. Maybe build a standard hotel. You should be relaxing in your 50s

SeaTrade:
The school fee for the degree weh make them give you the visa and allow you in their country na free ba?
Outright multiplication Don make people invest with their emotions a lot sha,no worries.

You should work like 5yrs and come invest

Europe na Africa for where U.S dey na.

Advanced Africa...

thebosstrevor1:


you talk like one of those snake oil sellers who sell dreams bigger than themselves

Anyway, I see tech bros now like semi-skilled assembly line workers who are paid to manufacture software widgets

fact is that the higher iq you are, the hardest it is to find joy in coding

Thank you for justifying my annoyance with coding, even though I’ve always had interest in computer science.

thebosstrevor1:


you talk like one of those snake oil sellers who sell dreams bigger than themselves

Anyway, I see tech bros now like semi-skilled assembly line workers who are paid to manufacture software widgets

fact is that the higher iq you are, the hardest it is to find joy in coding

Yet the best and brightest go into lucrative tech, finance and management consulting industries. Who is having joy when there are student loans to be paid? A lifestyle to attain? Mortgages? You people need to understand a thing or two about simple economics and Maslow's hierarchy of Needs to understand better how people think and do things.

BTW, as someone who sucks Tinubu's deek and swallows his cum, you should be the last person to talk about high IQ.

MrDoGood:


A friend of mine moved to Netherland few months ago. Although he's working with someone papers for now while they split the salary 50/50

He makes over a million monthly.

His rent is 266k naira

He sends his mom and family 200k monthly and saves the rest.

At least, he saves over 500k monthly.

Imagine what he will save after getting his papers.

As a youth, work hard and come back here and invest. Maybe build a standard hotel. You should be relaxing in your 50s

You compare him to a manual labourer or lowly skilled worker in Nigeria not a bank manager.

Anyone can work anywhere he or she likes, but inane comparisons don't make sense.

MrDoGood:


A friend of mine moved to Netherland few months ago. Although he's working with someone papers for now while they split the salary 50/50

He makes over a million monthly.

His rent is 266k naira

He sends his mom and family 200k monthly and saves the rest.

At least, he saves over 500k monthly.

Imagine what he will save after getting his papers.

As a youth, work hard and come back here and invest. Maybe build a standard hotel. You should be relaxing in your 50s

The problem is he doesn't spend in naira. He spends in euro. When he gets his papers, he won't save much. Things are not easy as you think

An engineer working 80 hours a week for a multinational company makes about 2500€ net a month

80 hours a week and this "Engineer" works for a "multinational company" you say?

€2.5k net is loads for someone just starting life or in a low-skilled job. That is over €35k per year. Is N1.8m per month after tax chicken change for a mere developer in Naija now?

Frankly, a lot of people in the UK and other good parts of Western Europe don't come here to talk about wages and wealth because it's against social etiquette.

I don't know anyone in tech working 80 hours, it is 40 hours and the freshest developer I know earns €30k per year in a small company. FYI, this is just below the limit for visa sponsorship here. Anyone you know who's on a sponsored visa is not earning less than €32k as per the visa requirement. The minimum a senior developer earns is €60k.

Here, bus drivers earn about €38k.

On balance, Europe is not America, you earn more salary in America, however, you also don't have the kind of perks and social security people in Europe have. If you prefer the American system better, move there so.

We live in a very wicked and selfish world. After someone has made money from supporting evil and wicked politicians to the detriment of the common man they start looking for opinions from same common man they have impoverished to Japa to the best countries in the world. Not every African you see in foreign countries are good people. There are a lot of miscreants and wicked people who Japa with money gotten from corrupt and wicked politicians. Many of them start forming woke. Back to the topic, 80hrs per week in Europe is a bloody lie. The essence of traveling out is to have a good life. Those discouraging others are just doing so because they don't have the means to travel out. Majority of our politicians children already have a based abroad. We should continue voting miscreants and people who don't give fu€k about the well-being of the common man expect things to change. In European countries food is not their problem, but maybe to flex life might be difficult. But in 9ja to even see food chop self na problem. It's very important to know the kind of people most posters in Nairaland support. Enough of 1999 kind of politics, those handling the affairs in European countries don't have two heads.

pocohantas:
The system there is not designed to make you rich. You should be comfortable and your neighbours should be comfortable too (i.e), there should be an equitable distribution of wealth/resources amongst citizens.

So if you are looking for where to go and pack all the money to show off or acquire all the properties in Nigeria, some of these European countries are definitely not for you.

Exactly what zuby77 said in his story...

He said that; the system over there is designed to make you comfortable, it's not designed to make you save because everything you need is already provided by the government - all you gotta do, is pay your bills!

After paying your bills for the month, you've got enough left for feeding - they don't have to bother about sending money to their parents or anybody. I see why some hate billionaires.

Simple life! No show off, you get to save if you're strongly disciplined!

Niggas are legit making 4-5year plans praying/hoping/expecting that Naija keeps going downhill so the coins they come with will become tens of millions in itself. I do hope and pray if anything else that in 2023-2024 exchange rate goes back to pre 2014 levels of 150 to 1USD or even lower....so I can happily watch all those calculations go to shit .

Treadway:
Niggas are legit making 4-5year plans praying/hopes/expectating that Naija keeps going downhill so the coins they come with will become tens of millions in itself. I do hope and pray if anything else that in 2023-2024 exchange rate goes back to pre 2014 levels of 150 to 1USD or even lower....so I can happily watch all those calculations go to shit .

Hope and prayer isn't gonna bring the exchange rate rather we need to be much more productive.

tensazangetsu20:


Hope and prayer isn't gonna bring the exchange rate rather we need to be much more productive.

Mechanisms are in place already to stabilise the exchange rate of the country.
Emefiele just changed the naira so as to take away that purchasing power from the people putting abnormal pressures on our currency.This is a long lasting solution,I commend him for that.
Secondly,I think the policy will be followed up by serious anti hoarding/storage of currency restrictions, like strong deposit and cash withdrawal limits for instance.
Also,If hopefully DangRefinery comes alive,that will also ease pressures a whole lot.
Thirdly,I think BDCs(Nigeria's biggest currency threat) will be seriously regulated or even outrightly banned(better solution) after all these reforms.
I'm not saying naira will go back to 2014 highs,but it'll recover very rapidly in the very near future.

thebosstrevor1:


you talk like one of those snake oil sellers who sell dreams bigger than themselves

Anyway, I see tech bros now like semi-skilled assembly line workers who are paid to manufacture software widgets

fact is that the higher iq you are, the hardest it is to find joy in coding

SeaTrade:
Mechanisms are in place already to stabilise the exchange rate of the country.
Emefiele just changed the naira so as to take away that purchasing power from the people putting abnormal pressures on our currency.This is a long lasting solution,I commend him for that.
Secondly,I think the policy will be followed up by serious anti hoarding/storage of currency restrictions, like strong deposit and cash withdrawal limits for instance.
Also,If hopefully DangRefinery comes alive,that will also ease pressures a whole lot.
Thirdly,I think BDCs(Nigeria's biggest currency threat) will be seriously regulated or even outrightly banned(better solution) after all these reforms.
I'm not saying naira will go back to 2014 highs,but it'll recover very rapidly in the very near future.

Well let's watch and see.

Gerrard59:


Yet the best and brightest go into lucrative tech, finance and management consulting industries. Who is having joy when there are student loans to be paid? A lifestyle to attain? Mortgages? You people need to understand a thing or two about simple economics and Maslow's hierarchy of Needs to understand better how people think and do things.

BTW, as someone who sucks Tinubu's deek and swallows his cum, you should be the last person to talk about high IQ.

the bright and the brightest don't go to tech, coding is now a routine job, and learning coding is a meme. You can learn coding online for free, there are no barriers, no regulatory or credentialing body and the barrier to entry does not necessitate any sort of degree or certification, it is open to the lowest bidder

Go figure out why everywhere online there is a tech school trying to teach people living in third-world country coding for free, they want to create a code-monkey-based economy where code monkeys like you do routine jobs for cheap. soon the market will be over-saturated with complete morons.

fact is that if you don't mind repetition, you are boring, you are autistic, and don't mind playing with Linux all day then coding is for you.
another fact is that most code monkeys like you will be stuck doing the same routine job and obsessed with earning in dollars and maybe be without career progression or social standing.

I think this should be my last reply to you, I really don't have the time to argue all day.

Applicable to me, my friend nah ordinary tailoring he has everything at the age of 40, I mean the aos, cars.... Many things like dat But here I am a graduate still strongling under the the carpet........ The mistake that I made, I won't allow anyone of My children to fall for it again.....
They must pass through the two line

lionlee216:


The problem is he doesn't spend in naira. He spends in euro. When he gets his papers, he won't save much. Things are not easy as you think

When he get his papers you say? Someone is sharing his salary 50/50 and is still saving over 500k monthly and he's living very well. He had a gas plant and a cold room here in Nigeria before travelling. Things were not working fine

Why did you say he won't save much when he get his papers?

Please explain