edoairways:

Sidon dey deceive yourself. Experience is a great lesson, no need to argue with you

So your so called experience supercedes the word of God?
If your experience is counter to the scripture then be sure that it is false.
You guys really need to give up these false African beliefs.

MikeofAfrica:


Let us look at it from this way.

Assuming you are a student in the University of Benin and your parents who lives in Lagos sent you your tuition and hostel fees through your bank account.
It is your responsibility to go to the Bank, withdraw the money and use it to pay your tuition fee and also pay for your hostel.

That is similar to what Jesus Christ did on the Cross. He deposited our victory over the Devil, his demons, sickness, curses and evil convenants on a Spiritual bank through His death and resurrection.

Hence you will have to visit this Spiritual bank through Prayer, activate this Victory by faith and use it to overcome the problems of your life.

Hence if there is an ancestral curse in your family, and you fail to activate your victory in Jesus Christ through fasting and prayer, that curse will manifest in your life notwithstanding you are born again.

Jesus didn't deposit nothing please, Jesus paid it all once and for all. And when he was paying, he took you by hand and said, devil, I'm paying this person's ransome. Scripture says this in colossians 2 : 11 - 15. You died and resurrected with him, you didn't only resurrect with them, you also ascended with him. Scripture says that we are seated with Christ in heavenly places far above principalities and powers, kingdoms and Thrones, names not only of this world but even of the world to come. Ephesians 1, then 2 : 6-7. How can someone seated with Christ in heaven be afflicted with curse of men and generational curse? The you that died, the Adamic you can be cursed and be afflicted but not the resurrected you. It's not on Jesus that Christians still pray about generational curse, do people even know what being a Christian mean?

Millz404:
Other countries are building hydroloops, spaceship, self driving cars, so much advancement at a rapid rate. Africans are busy in their backwardness asking dumb questions

How many have you built? Are you not from Africa?

Being born again means you receiving the life of God.and jesus said it is finished.that statements implies that all curses bondage seize to have effect in the life of a born again

MikeofAfrica:



Like I said before, you are a kid on Spiritual issues. Hence I expected you to laugh over what I confided in you.

However, the United States which you regard as not Spiritually inclined is the most sophisticated spiritual nation on Earth. The United States is the headquarter of Amork , Freemason , Skull and Bones etc.

What makes the United States powerful is her Spiritual Sophistication. All the Great inventors from the United States are powerful members of Secret societies. Go and do your research.

Nigeria is a novice in Spiritual issues when compare to the United States that is why we are fumbling as a nation. A nation that is not spiritually strong cannot do exploit in Science and Technology. A nation that is not spiritually strong cannot take advantage of her natural resources.


You talked about the Arabs and why they do not have hurricanes since they were also involve in Slave Trade?

God has His own way of punishing every man and every nation on Earth for the evils that they have committed. That is what the Hindus call Karma. The way He is punishing the United States might be different from how He is punishing the Arabs. Hence if God has not start punishing the Arabs, then their days of reckoning will surely come.

When God decided to destroy the city of Jericho, all the people in the City including the foreigners and innocent people partake in the punishment. When God decided to destroy Sodom, it took the prayer of Abraham before Lot and his family were saved. If not for Abraham, Lot and his family will be destroyed with the people of Sodom.

Hence all the descendants of Slaves in the United States shall suffer the punishment of Slave trade with the Whites as long as they live in the United States territory and other surrounding nations.

Hence just as a foreigner , Slave or immigrant living in city will partake in the blessings of that city, such foreigner will also suffer if the wrath of God fail upon such city.

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Ok PAPA in spiritual matters so God is busy punishing those that committed abominations together with those that never committed abominations in one side while in another side he is waiting for the time to punish another abi?
Baba of spiritual matters can you tell us why nations like Haiti Jamaica Bahamas and other Caribbeans nations that never committed abominations are suffering all manner of natural calamities while nations like Saudi Arabia and co are enjoying while waiting for Gods time to punish them?

Also Papa of spiritual matters before the Europeans got to America and the Caribbeans those indigenous people of that land were they experiencing these natural disasters or it was after the Europeans came to their land these things started happening?

Baba of spiritual matters we wait for your spiritual sophisticated answers

vicardino:


Jesus didn't deposit nothing please, Jesus paid it all once and for all. And when he was paying, he took you by hand and said, devil, I'm paying this person's ransome. Scripture says this in colossians 2 : 11 - 15. You died and resurrected with him, you didn't only resurrect with them, you also ascended with him. Scripture says that we are seated with Christ in heavenly places far above principalities and powers, kingdoms and Thrones, names not only of this world but even of the world to come. Ephesians 1, then 2 : 6-7. How can someone seated with Christ in heaven be afflicted with curse of men and generational curse? The you that died, the Adamic you can be cursed and be afflicted but not the resurrected you. It's not on Jesus that Christians still pray about generational curse, do people even know what being a Christian mean?

I love your line of argument and will like to exchange Spiritual knowledge with you because we are all learning.

Let's look at it this way.

The fact that Osibanjo is sitting with Buhari in Aso Rock far above all political authorities in Nigeria does not mean that the Chairman of his Local Government in Ogun state cannot mess him up politically by suspending him from APC.

Let now go to Spiritual issues. Through the death and resurrection of Jesus , He gave us victory over Sicknesses and infirmies. By the stripes of Jesus , we are healed ( Isaiah 53:5).

However, do you know how many genuine men of God that are suffering from terminal diseases today. Jesus has heal them on the cross but some spiritual powers are preventing them from enjoying this benefit. Even Timothy in the Bible had a terminal ailment .

That is why Apostle Paul after seeing this ugly incidences advices us to take on the whole armor of God and wrestle with Principalities, powers, rulers of darkness and spiritual wickedness ( Ephesians 6:11-12).

It was the same Paul that told us that we are sitted in heavenly places far above these powers but he knew that if we fail to engage in spiritual warfares , these evil powers will mess us up.

The only benefit of we sitting with Christ in heavenly place is that we are sure of victory when we engages in Spiritual warfares. Jesus has given us victory but He will not put the victory into our mouth. We have to fight and enforce that victory in our lives.

Ancestral curses are more powerful than sicknesses in the Spiritual realm. If a Christian fail to enforce the victory of Jesus by breaking ancestral curses in his life through fasting and prayer, that curse will remain potent .

That is one of the reason many hard working Christians are poor. Generational curses of poverty are rampart in Africa.

tctrills:

So your so called experience supercedes the word of God?
If your experience is counter to the scripture then be sure that it is false.
You guys really need to give up these false African beliefs.

The word of God that you select to suit you? Smh

phemmyfour:
You are just typing gibberish. No single scripture support yours claims. You are spiritual illiterate

Ephesians 6: 12 says - " For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places"

Hence after the death and resurrection of Jesus which gave us victory over the Devil and his demons, Apostle Paul is confiding in you that for you to enjoy that benefit , you have to wrestle with four categories of Spiritual powers.

Those Spiritual powers are experts in making people live under ancestral curses. Hence if you fail to wrestle with them, ancestral curses will remain potent in your life.

Hotice085:
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Ok PAPA in spiritual matters so God is busy punishing those that committed abominations together with those that never committed abominations in one side while in another side he is waiting for the time to punish another abi?
Baba of spiritual matters can you tell us why nations like Haiti Jamaica Bahamas and other Caribbeans nations that never committed abominations are suffering all manner of natural calamities while nations like Saudi Arabia and co are enjoying while waiting for Gods time to punish them?

Also Papa of spiritual matters before the Europeans got to America and the Caribbeans those indigenous people of that land were they experiencing these natural disasters or it was after the Europeans came to their land these things started happening?

Baba of spiritual matters we wait for your spiritual sophisticated answers

I am not any Baba in Spiritual matter. However I am always moved when people underate Spiritual issues and their implications.

If you have a biological son and an adopted son and both of them gain a scholarship, no matter how you pretend, you will be more happy that your biological son got the scholarship.

Similarly, if your biological son and adopted son both steal your money, no matter how you pretend, you will be more disappointed with your biological son.

God regards the descendants of Abraham through Issac as His biological Children. That is the reason He sent His only Son to die for them. God also regards the descendants of Abraham through Ishmael as His adopted Children.
He loves the Arabs and Muslims but the love He has for them cannot be compare to His love for the Christians who are the descendants of Issac.

Hence God is more disappointed with the Americans for getting engage in Slave trade than He is with the Arabs. He will punish the Americas severely because they are mainly the descendants of Joseph, the beloved tribe of Israel.

Unfortunately, all the Carribean nations close to the United States will share in this punishment. If the Driver of a Truck is careless and the Truck has an accident, all the passengers and goods in the Truck together with the people standing, walking and trading in that environ will become victim of the accident.

MikeofAfrica:


I love your line of argument and will like to exchange Spiritual knowledge with you because we are all learning.

Let's look at it this way.

The fact that Osibanjo is sitting with Buhari in Aso Rock far above all political authorities in Nigeria does not mean that the Chairman of his Local Government in Ogun state cannot mess him up politically by suspending him from APC.

Let now go to Spiritual issues. Through the death and resurrection of Jesus , He gave us victory over Sicknesses and infirmies. By the stripes of Jesus , we are healed ( Isaiah 53:5).

However, do you know how many genuine men of God that are suffering from terminal diseases today. Jesus has heal them on the cross but some spiritual powers are preventing them from enjoying this benefit. Even Timothy in the Bible had a terminal ailment .

That is why Apostle Paul after seeing this ugly incidences advices us to take on the whole armor of God and wrestle with Principalities, powers, rulers of darkness and spiritual wickedness ( Ephesians 6:11-12).

It was the same Paul that told us that we are sitted in heavenly places far above these powers but he knew that if we fail to engage in spiritual warfares , these evil powers will mess us up.

The only benefit of we sitting with Christ in heavenly place is that we are sure of victory when we engages in Spiritual warfares. Jesus has given us victory but He will not put the victory into our mouth. We have to fight and enforce that victory in our lives.

Ancestral curses are more powerful than sicknesses in the Spiritual realm. If a Christian fail to enforce the victory of Jesus by breaking ancestral curses in his life through fasting and prayer, that curse will remain potent .

That is one of the reason many hard working Christians are poor. Generational curses of poverty are rampart in Africa.

Ignorance kills people and it's not a matter of title or position. Show me a scripture where a new testament believer, someone redeemed by the blood of Jesus is asked to fast and pray to enforce victory or against generational curses. Show me a scripture where the early Church gathered together praying against curses. Show me a scripture where any of the Apostles raised a prayer point against curses. My brother, go through your scripture and see the prayer vocabulary of the Apostles before and after they understood the Gospel. I'll be waiting for your reply.

And again, that scripture you keep quoting, don't isolate scripture, you won't get the real meaning, read scripture in context. How did Paul say we should engage spiritual warfare? Is spiritual warfare and ancestral curses an African thing?

Xyzee:

He’s been blocked a long time ago. He sends his curses through third parties and I laugh.

How can he do that and the third party will still deliver it to you? Can't you warn them never to pass his such messages to you?
Can't you also relocate to a place where they don't know or if you got the resources,why don't you travel out and live your own life?
But what really caused this ugliness?

MikeofAfrica:


Ephesians 6: 12 says - " For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places"

Hence after the death and resurrection of Jesus which gave us victory over the Devil and his demons, Apostle Paul is confiding in you that for you to enjoy that benefit , you have to wrestle with four categories of Spiritual powers.

Those Spiritual powers are experts in making people live under ancestral curses. Hence if you fail to wrestle with them, ancestral curses will remain potent in your life.

Show me a believer in the scripture that was under ancestral curse.

Stop making things up in your head

To understand eph 6:12, go back to eph 6:10

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord(M) and in his mighty power.(N) 11 Put on the full armor of God,(O) so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes

That was ACTIVE not PASSIVE tone
"The battle before you" nothing ancestral

Kobojunkie:
where is this advice written please?

Read Ex 22:1-31, Luke 19:8- about Zacchaeus.

edoairways:

The word of God that you select to suit you? Smh

You can select the word of the Lord to suit you.
As long as Jesus Christ does not lie or bear false witness and everything he did was given to him by the Father.
Clearly, you are wrong.
And it's ok to be wrong, no one is perfect.

tctrills:

You can select the word of the Lord to suit you.
As long as Jesus Christ does not lie or bear false witness and everything he did was given to him by the Father.
Clearly, you are wrong.
And it's ok to be wrong, no one is perfect.

There are deeper revelations and mysteries that you and others don't know. I was once like you unlike Jesus Christ delivered me

Wealthinwealth1:
1.When you are truly born again, you have surrendered your life to Christ and the bible said if any man be in Christ, hes a new creature, old things are passed away and all things have become new.
2. You seem to have also skipped the part I said you need to be enlightened, constant studying of the Word of God brings light and that's where your eyes can be opened to behold your right in God and the wondrous world of God.

1. My response was to address the general statement you made of all born-agains.

2. Jesus Christ never suggested that Heaven is by way of constant studying of what you call the word of God , nor is it written that such activities brings light. Rather Jesus Christ taught that the one and only way to all of that is through continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ.

Maga123:
Being born again means you receiving the life of God.and jesus said it is finished.that statements implies that all curses bondage seize to have effect in the life of a born again

That is not true at all.

Jesus Christ Himself laid curses down for those in His flock who will choose to continue in sin even after being born-again- entering into the Kingdom of God. Also everyone of those who will end up in Hell at the end after Jesus Christ returns are all born-agains.

Testimony1988:
Read Ex 22:1-31, Luke 19:8- about Zacchaeus.

But Exodus applies to those who are God's Old Law of Moses which happens to be the Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan, a constitution that applies to those who are of the blood of Jacob in that land - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - and the foreigners who live in the land with them. Zacchaeus was one of then and so sensibly obeyed that Law.

You, on the other hand, are not of the blood of Jacob neither do you live in the land of Canaan, or do you?

TheRealOwner:


Have you read 2nd Corinthians 5? It absolutely has nothing to do with deliverance.
So you believe it's biblical to pray for sick Christians or those trying to conceive but it's unbiblical to break ancestral curses and evil patterns and cast out demons and evil spirits from Christians?? Are you a troll?

Did you see the part where I mentioned how to be free from those things?

If you don't believe in deliverance, it's fine. Those that need it and believe in it will seek those that can perform it, and will get their freedom.

You can keep believing what you believe. It will not stop people from getting free from bondages

Point to where a Christian was delivered from a demon in the bible. Those that need deliverance? Among Christians (Christians, not church goers or whatever member of any of your religious groups you guys term "christian". What happened to "whoever the Son has freed is free indeed"? Oh wait! He's not free indeed, as he still needs some more prayers "to break the yoke", right? You guys do more to put people in bondage than the devil ever dreamed of. If I dig deeper you'll be one of those "christian" characters that push that "ember months" bull crap.

Kingxchange44:


And if you reason well you will understand that I never said witchcraft never existed in europe, it's stupidity that is making you bring racism on my comment.

It's your type started Black live matters. Rest

Ah sorry. I shouldn't have ever taken you seriously.

Naira20:
You have a point but deliverance isn't a bad word just that many arrogate "deliverance" ministers to themselves instead of pointing men to Jesus, the deliverer.

I'm not disputing deliverance as a concept. Jesus delivered many people in the bible. So many people are in need of deliverance even as we speak. What ticks me off is the blatant ignorance many of these "deliverance" pastors throw about, thereby putting more people in bondage in their ignorance (or in some cases, deliberately to manipulate people). Also, the funny idea that a Christian needs deliverance. The Bible states that "...Who is in us is greater than who is in the world". How does that work in the light of a Christian needing deliverance? Although I have to admit that all sorts of characters are now termed "christian".

I get your point. However, deliverance as a concept isn't just about devils.
There are situations that is beyond you as a human being and you seek God's help.
The issue is how "mechanical" it is now

HedwigesMaduro:


I'm not disputing deliverance as a concept. Jesus delivered many people in the bible. So many people are in need of deliverance even as we speak. What ticks me off is the blatant ignorance many of these "deliverance" pastors throw about, thereby putting more people in bondage in their ignorance (or in some cases, deliberately to manipulate people). Also, the funny idea that a Christian needs deliverance. The Bible states that "...Who is in us is greater than who is in the world". How does that work in the light of a Christian needing deliverance? Although I have to admit that all sorts of characters are now termed "christian".

HedwigesMaduro:


Ah sorry. I shouldn't have ever taken you seriously.

Naira20:
I get your point. However, deliverance as a concept isn't just about devils.
There are situations that is beyond you as a human being and you seek God's help.
The issue is how "mechanical" it is now

An example of such situation would be?

Go study you bible.The person I replied knows what I'm referring to.
The Bible is replete with those cases.So it's not a matter of "an" example

Kobojunkie:
An example of such situation would be?

Naira20:
Go study you bible.The person I replied knows what I'm referring to.
The Bible is replete with those cases .So it's not a matter of "an" example

Then why do you seem to have a problem pointing out just one? All you really need do is name one follower of Jesus Christ who required deliverance of the sort you speak of.

I don't have a problem with reeling them out.Just saying I don't waste my time casting gold to swines because they'd never value it.
If you are interested, go and read your Bible.

Kobojunkie:
Then why do you seem to have a problem pointing out just one? All you really need do is name one follower of Jesus Christ who required deliverance of the sort you speak of.

phemmyfour:
Show me a believer in the scripture that was under ancestral curse.

Stop making things up in your head

To understand eph 6:12, go back to eph 6:10

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord(M) and in his mighty power.(N) 11 Put on the full armor of God,(O) so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes

That was ACTIVE not PASSIVE tone
"The battle before you" nothing ancestral

The problem is that Our Pastors are feeding us with bread and butter messages hence many of us are very shallow in Spiritual issues.

Let us start with physical things that we can understand.

Buhari Government has been taking loans from China. When Buhari leaves, his successor will inherit the loans. If his successor fails to pay it, the next successor will inherit it.

That is what we mean by ancestral curses. They are Spiritual problems that we inherited from our ancestors. These curses can manifest physically in form of Poverty, terminal diseases , untimely deaths, barrenness etc.

Now I want you to carry out a practical research. I want you to find out whether there are genuine men of God in your Church and Nigeria who have terminal diseases like diabetes, ashima, High Blood Pressure, Partial stroke etc. Also find out if these men of God inherited these ailments from their parents or not.

Remember that Jesus Christ gave us victory over diseases. By His stripes , we are healed . Hence why are believers still inheriting Spiritual problems from their ancestors? Why are many believers poor because of their background?

The answers is there is an ancretral curse behind such problem. If someone's ancestor buries a pregnant woman alive for ritual during his time, a powerful curse will come upon all his linage. Even the righteous people from his linage will suffer as a result of that curse until they break the curse by enforcing the victory in the blood of Jesus through fasting and prayers"

Jesus is aware that without fasting and prayer, such curse will not break and the problem and demons manifesting from the curse will persist.
Hence He told His disciples that some problems cannot go except through fasting and prayer( Mark 9: 28-29) .

Naira20:
I don't have a problem with reeling them out.Just saying I don't waste my time casting gold to swines because they'd never value it.
If you are interested, go and read your Bible.

Again, all you really need do is name one follower of Jesus Christ who required deliverance of the sort you speak of.

MikeofAfrica:


I am not any Baba in Spiritual matter. However I am always moved when people underate Spiritual issues and their implications.

If you have a biological son and an adopted son and both of them gain a scholarship, no matter how you pretend, you will be more happy that your biological son got the scholarship.

Similarly, if your biological son and adopted son both steal your money, no matter how you pretend, you will be more disappointed with your biological son.

God regards the descendants of Abraham through Issac as His biological Children. That is the reason He sent His only Son to die for them. God also regards the descendants of Abraham through Ishmael as His adopted Children.
He loves the Arabs and Muslims but the love He has for them cannot be compare to His love for the Christians who are the descendants of Issac.

Hence God is more disappointed with the Americans for getting engage in Slave trade than He is with the Arabs. He will punish the Americas severely because they are mainly the descendants of Joseph, the beloved tribe of Israel.

Unfortunately, all the Carribean nations close to the United States will share in this punishment. If the Driver of a Truck is careless and the Truck has an accident, all the passengers and goods in the Truck together with the people standing, walking and trading in that environ will become victim of the accident.

Wetin Musa no go SEE and HEAR for gate, abeg Baba Spiritual answer this very simple questions

* Before the Europeans eg Christopher Columbus got to America were there people living in the Americas:

* Where these people experiencing hurricanes earthquakes and other natural disasters and did these people have names for these wonders of nature?

* Or did all these natural disasters started as a result of the Europeans coming to America

Baba Spiritual no long story just answer the questions

Kobojunkie:
You have never experienced bipolar depression for yourself, have you? I lived it for most of my life and I can explain it to you like it were a buddy of mine but this spirit stuff is completely nothing like it. Even my psychiatrists were stumped when it all started, telling me instead that they couldn't find anything wrong with me.

Well... if your psychiatrit could not diagnose this condition then it is even worst than bipolar, maybe you should try another psychiatrist it might be schizophrenia. Some mentally illness patience always sees things or images that are not there, trust me. I have Autism spectrum, spirits doesn't exist, it might exist in your head, yes! And for some one like you who suffers from bipolar you definitely sees images (or spirits as you call it) things that are not there.