Kobojunkie:
What you refer to as Judaism is a religion built around a National Constitution belonging to the Nation of Israel in the Land of Israel. That Law, the Law of Moses, was given specifically to the people of Israel whom God practically conscripted for His own purpose, and for life and living in the Kingdom of Canaan. So Christians, those who are called to a new and different agreement --- the agreement of peace which applies to a different Kingdom ---from the Constitution of Israel cannot logically worship God under that very same agreement.

Now as for whether they worship the same God or not, why again is God not allowed to have different laws in different Kingdoms?

Hmmm

So you mean Christians & Jews worship the same God in different ways?

HisSplendor:


You don't understand. We both worship Yahweh. The only difference is that judahism is still waiting for Yahweh's Messaih while Christianity believes that Yahweh already sent the Messaih in the person of Jesus.

When Jesus walked the earth,what religion did he practice?

ediplan:


Exodus 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn

Deuteronomy 18

15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

16 According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

17 And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

So you mean Jesus is a Prophet? Son of God or Prophet? Which one is he?

Also note that Exodus 4 vs 22 which you posted,God called Israel aka Jacob his Son.

Exodus 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Is Israel same as Jesus or God has many sons

Note that the living God called Israel aka Jacob his firstborn son.

mjuvey3:


When Jesus walked the earth,what religion did he practice?

He practiced no religion.

HisSplendor:


He practiced no religion.

So why are you practicing religion when Jesus never practiced any?

Did he give any command to form a religion?

mjuvey3:


So why are you practicing religion when Jesus never practiced any?

Did he give any command to form a religion?

Religion is generally man made. It all leads to damnation. No religion saves (including Christianity), only Jesus does.

We're disciples of Jesus Christ. We practice no religion.

mjuvey3:


So you mean Jesus is a Prophet? Son of God or Prophet? Which one is he?

Also note that Exodus 4 vs 22 which you posted,God called Israel aka Jacob his Son.

Exodus 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Is Israel same as Jesus or God has many sons

Note that the living God called Israel aka Jacob his firstborn son.

The question is who is prophet. My defination will be from the bible if you permit me

Genesis 20:7
Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine.
this verse was written concerning Abraham and it was God Himself telling the king here and defining Abrahams status as a Prophet which Abraham never mentioned himself to be.
Nubers12:5-7
5 And the Lord came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.

6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

on sonship yes isreal was is son but Jesus christ was his Only begotten son
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

mjuvey3:
Hmmm

So you mean Christians & Jews worship the same God in different ways?

2 different agreements/Covenants/Contracts aka Laws means 2 different Ways. God never gave men religion. Instead, what He gives are His Laws and His mandate in each and every case has been obedience or adherence to the terms and conditions laid out in the applicable Law if one is to benefit from Him. Just as the Israelites are written to have gotten it wrong by following the religion of men instead of sticking to God's Law, so also have Christians in following the traditions and doctrines of men rather than the Truth aka God's Law as given to them by Jesus Christ, the one who embodies God's Law in the Kingdom of God.

You had asked of the Messiah and the messianic age, well, if you had taken time to read through scripture for yourself, you would have infact realized that Judaism has got it all wrong in terms of order of events. The details, picked from here and there, in that blog you posted earlier is focused on events to take place at the end, close to the time of the resurrection(of the dead) when the actual gathering of the lost sheep from every tongue, every language and every nation is to take place. It largely ignores all that God stated would take place prior to the return of the lost sheep back to Israel by God Himself, the only Shepherd.

Anyways, I hope you aren't thinking Judaism is the religion for you or something. The Law of Moses is a Constitution meant to be used in the Land of Canaan by the Israelites alone --the foreigners among them can benefit from the blessings that come with it. Now, will even the foreigners who live in the land of Canaan among the Israelites be resurrected at the end when the Messiah comes to reign? Well, according to isaiah, instead a memorial will be set up to remember them implying their is no eternity awaiting foreigners under that Law implying God indeed did not change His mind about His ruling in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 regarding those to partake in the promise He made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Only those who are of that particular bloodline will benefit from that agreement.

Kobojunkie:
2 different agreements/Covenants/Contracts aka Laws means 2 different Ways. God never gave men religion. Instead, what He gives are His Laws and His mandate in each and every case has been obedience or adherence to the terms and conditions laid out in the applicable Law if one is to benefit from Him. Just as the Israelites are written to have gotten it wrong by following the religion of men instead of sticking to God's Law, so also have Christians in following the traditions and doctrines of men rather than the Truth aka God's Law as given to them by Jesus Christ, the one who embodies God's Law in the Kingdom of God.

You had asked of the Messiah and the messianic age, well, if you had taken time to read through scripture for yourself, you would have infact realized that Judaism has got it all wrong in terms of order of events. The details, picked from here and there, in that blog you posted earlier is focused on events to take place at the end, close to the time of the resurrection(of the dead) when the actual gathering of the lost sheep from every tongue, every language and every nation is to take place. It largely ignores all that God stated would take place prior to the return of the lost sheep back to Israel by God Himself, the only Shepherd.

Anyways, I hope you aren't thinking Judaism is the religion for you or something. The Law of Moses is a Constitution meant to be used in the Land of Canaan by the Israelites alone --the foreigners among them can benefit from the blessings that come with it. Now, will even the foreigners who live in the land of Canaan among the Israelites be resurrected at the end when the Messiah comes to reign? Well, according to isaiah, instead a memorial will be set up to remember them implying their is no eternity awaiting foreigners under that Law implying God indeed did not change His mind about His ruling in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 regarding those to partake in the promise He made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Only those who are of that particular bloodline will benefit from that agreement.

What's the difference between "His laws" and 'religion'?

kkins25:
What's the difference between "His laws" and 'religion'?

I am afraid you have to read the book for yourself to realize the numerous differences. I really wish people would do this for themselves given that much of what is out there is simply bullsheet!

mjuvey3:
Where in the old testament did God said he was going to send his son as a sacrifice for sin?

Okay let's ignore that question right there and move to this - Why did Christianity had to add the Jewish holy book( Old Testament aka Tanakh) to their holy book, the New testament

Imagine Islam adding the Holy bible to the Quran and forming a new religion

Another question is - In the Old Testament, God's name was Yahweh but in the new testament,it changed to Jesus Why?

Let's even imagine Jesus is the way,the truth and the life That means billions of Muslims, Buddists, Hinduists, Atheists, Traditional worshipers etc will rot in hell forever

For Judaism not to believe in Jesus rings a bell because Christianity came from Judaism.

Also, the awaited messiah in Judaism is supposed to be a full human being not a divine being or a god-man.

Why will the eternal God who created the universe,space,ocean etc come to die for his creation? Especially humans who he can recreate If The Mercedes-Benz Group AG (former Daimler AG) can make a G-wagon,then they can make something better than a G-wagon(Already in the works) not to talk of the Creator who created everything.

You have a brain,Use it

Too many questions at a time. God never directly said He would send His Son as a Sacrifice for sin. Rather, God conatatively said, a woman would bring forth a child and the Child would bruise the head of Satan while would bruise His heel. But God hid a mystery from them. That mystery was that, God(Jesus) would become flesh or come in the flesh to save mankind tru His sacrificial death.

Kkins25, try to imagine the Nigerian Constitution being used a religious text by some group out there.

Kobojunkie:
2 different agreements/Covenants/Contracts aka Laws means 2 different Ways. God never gave men religion. Instead, what He gives are His Laws and His mandate in each and every case has been obedience or adherence to the terms and conditions laid out in the applicable Law if one is to benefit from Him. Just as the Israelites are written to have gotten it wrong by following the religion of men instead of sticking to God's Law, so also have Christians in following the traditions and doctrines of men rather than the Truth aka God's Law as given to them by Jesus Christ, the one who embodies God's Law in the Kingdom of God.

You had asked of the Messiah and the messianic age, well, if you had taken time to read through scripture for yourself, you would have infact realized that Judaism has got it all wrong in terms of order of events. The details, picked from here and there, in that blog you posted earlier is focused on events to take place at the end, close to the time of the resurrection(of the dead) when the actual gathering of the lost sheep from every tongue, every language and every nation is to take place. It largely ignores all that God stated would take place prior to the return of the lost sheep back to Israel by God Himself, the only Shepherd.

Anyways, I hope you aren't thinking Judaism is the religion for you or something. The Law of Moses is a Constitution meant to be used in the Land of Canaan by the Israelites alone --the foreigners among them can benefit from the blessings that come with it. Now, will even the foreigners who live in the land of Canaan among the Israelites be resurrected at the end when the Messiah comes to reign? Well, according to isaiah, instead a memorial will be set up to remember them implying their is no eternity awaiting foreigners under that Law implying God indeed did not change His mind about His ruling in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 regarding those to partake in the promise He made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Only those who are of that particular bloodline will benefit from that agreement.

Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God?

Do you believe Jesus is God in the flesh?

mjuvey3:
Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God?

Do you believe Jesus is God in the flesh?

Yes and Yes! But you forgot to make clear what it means to say He is Son of God? What does it mean to say Jesus Christ is God in the flesh?

mjuvey3:
When Jesus walked the earth,what religion did he practice?

Jesus Christ didn't practice a religion. Instead, what He did was live His life on earth in compliance with the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel, the Law of Moses, as given by God to the people of Israel in the Land of Canaan. And by doing so, He fulfilled the requirements of the Law as every other Israelite bound by that agreement is commanded by God to do.

mjuvey3:
1. So why are you practicing religion when Jesus never practiced any?

2. Did he give any command to form a religion?

1. Jesus Christ did not give His followers a religion. What He gave was God's New Covenant, the agreement/Law of peace, promised by God through the prophets, the agreement which would then facilitate the return of the Lost sheep back to Israel at the time of the resurrection. This is what Jesus Christ gave to His followers and commanded that they obey.

2. No religion!

Kobojunkie:
Yes and Yes! But you forgot to make clear what it means to say He is Son of God? What does it mean to say Jesus Christ is God in the flesh?

1. He is the Son of God because He was begotten, not made. 2. What it means to say Jesus Christ is God in the flesh is that He is God who became human, for the purpose of giving His Life for a ransom for our sins(Salvation).

Truvelisback:
1. He is the Son of God because He was begotten, not made. 2. What it means to say Jesus Christ is God in the flesh is that He is God who became human, for the purpose of giving His Life for a ransom for our sins(Salvation).

1. Begotten?
2. According to Jesus Christ, He was sent only to the lost sheep of israel. So are you one of the lost sheep of israel .I.e. of the blood of Jacob?

Kobojunkie:
Yes and Yes! But you forgot to make clear what it means to say He is Son of God? What does it mean to say Jesus Christ is God in the flesh?

What I meant is that he's the Son of God means he's the only one begotten of the Father....No Other Person... Begotten not Created.

Jesus is God's incarnate meaning he revealed God in human form - That means he's God in the flesh...If he's not,that means his death is of no use to humanity.

Kobojunkie:
1. Begotten?
2. According to Jesus Christ, He was sent only to the lost sheep of israel. So are you one of the lost sheep of israel .I.e. of the blood of Jacob?

Oga, Salvation is opened to everyone irrespective of the race and tribe.

mjuvey3:
1. What I meant is that he's the Son of God means he's the only one begotten of the Father....No Other Person... Begotten not Created.

2. Jesus is God's incarnate meaning he revealed God in human form - That means he's God in the flesh...If he's not,that means his death is of no use to humanity.

1. If you meant "born from the same essence that is God" then, my answer is indeed yes.

2. OK, we can go with this much too.

Truvelisback:
Oga, Salvation is opened to everyone irrespective of the race and tribe.

Well, yes it is open to all race and tribes but only to the lost sheep of israel in all races and tribes , this according to Jesus Christ. Or are you in some way attempting to conclude here that the restrictions stated by Jesus Christ do not apply as far as Salvation which He offers? .

Kobojunkie:
Well, yes it is open to all race and tribes but only to the lost sheep of israel in all races and tribes , this according to Jesus Christ. Or are you in some way attempting to conclude here that the restrictions stated by Jesus Christ do not apply as far as Salvation which He offers? .

Jesus used that "word" to test the faith of that woman that was seeking His help. Didn't Jesus help her at the end? What abt the Samaritan at the well?

Truvelisback:
Jesus used that "word" to test the faith of that woman that was seeking His help. Didn't Jesus help her at the end? What abt the Samaritan at the well?

To test the faith of that woman? Why would Jesus Christ have had a need to "test" the "faith" of anyone, particularly of one who was not even a follower of His?

23 But Jesus did not answer her. So the followers came to him and said, “Tell her to go away. She keeps crying out and will not leave us alone.”
24 Jesus answered, “God sent me only to the lost people of Israel.”
25 Then the woman came over to Jesus and bowed before him. She said, “Lord, help me!” - Matthew 15 vs 23 - 25

If we are to assume that what Jesus Christ stated in the passage above is of "test", then what about what He said regarding His only being available to those who are weary of the heavy burden they had been forced to carry. Was that also of "test"?

27 “My Father has given me everything. No one knows the Son—only the Father knows the Son. And no one knows the Father—only the Son knows the Father. And the only people who will know about the Father are those the Son chooses to tell.
28 “Come to me all of you who are tired from the heavy burden you have been forced to carry. I will give you rest.
29 Accept my teaching.[d] Learn from me. I am gentle and humble in spirit. And you will be able to get some rest.
30 Yes, the teaching that I ask you to accept is easy. The load I give you to carry is light.” - Matthew 11 vs 27 - 30

mjuvey3:
A. Where in the Old Testament did Yahweh said he was going to send his son as a sacrifice for sin?
In the old testament, God's name was Yahweh,but in the new testament,it became Jesus...Why?
B. Kobo,even though you're controversial, you're one of the most intelligent nairalanders I will ever know.....The messiah is supposed to be fully human with a mortal father and he's supposed to be anointed and have a heir?
C. Note - I'm not here to abuse or downgrade Jesus but I need to know the truth because if I can confirm that Jesus is real,I'll advance his kingdom and worship him forever notwithstanding the circumstances.

The messiah according to Judaism which Christianity sprang from is supposed to have the following features -

a. He'll be a direct descendant of the Jewish King David.
b. He will have a human birth and human parents.
c. He'll be a perfect teacher of Yahweh's law.
d. He'll be a great political leader - He'll be inspirational and a be good judge.
e. He will rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem.
f. He will rule over humanity - but he will rule with kindness.

NOTE - There's no second coming in Judaism which Christianity sprang from

I am still waiting for you to provide bible references so we can explore these claims abeg!

Can you please provide scripture references for all of the claims stated in a - f so we can dissect each? Also, expand on what you said of the Antichrist having all the characteristics of the Messiah.

P.S. No man can advance the Kingdom of God. Forget all the lies a la soundbites that are bellowed by the many pastorpreneurs out there from their pulpits at the sheeples. the Fact is no man can plant anything in the Kingdom of God.

mjuvey3:
1..So you mean Jesus is a Prophet? Son of God or Prophet? Which one is he?

2. Also note that Exodus 4 vs 22 which you posted,God called Israel aka Jacob his Son.

Exodus 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

3. Is Israel same as Jesus or God has many sons. Note that the living God called Israel aka Jacob his firstborn son.

1. Jesus is a Prophet, Son of God, the good Shepherd, the Teacher, King, God's Law aka The Way, etc.

2. Israel --- the people not the man --- is God's people, His first born and inheritance in the land of men.

3. God has many sons but one begotten son who is born directly from the same essence that is God, Jesus Christ. In addition, through Jesus Christ, God will reap many more sons as all those who belong to Jesus Christ -- those who submit to and obey Him --- are transformed into Sons of God.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you have to read the book for yourself to realize the numerous differences. I really wish people would do this for themselves given that much of what is out there is simply bullsheet!

What book? the bible? The last time i checked, religion, "a particular system of faith and worship," is what the bible is all about. The bible explains this 'system of faith' via the old and new testament; even though the laws were not explicitly stated in the latter, it's was an enforcement of the prior book but with less death threats and more reader-friendly.

Now, let me add some more context, Paul, the champion of the Christian faith, as a matter of fact, diluted Judaism; not because he offered a better understanding of it, but solely for the purpose of making it more acceptable to the gentiles. He changed his name from Saul to Paul, so as to be welcomed by the Roman gentiles, and so on.

Then, I would have to ask you again, what is your definition of Religion? After all, you do subscribe to tenets that are not common amongst other 'Christians'. Moreso, given that you also call yourself a Christian, then it means the system of faith which you practice differs from others. What do you call your system of faith? Canonical, Gnostic, Essenic, or Kobojunkic?lol.

Any book that defines how you must see life for the sake of pleasing the alleged creator of the world according to the book, is a religious book. hence, you practice religion too.

kkins25:
What book? the bible? The last time i checked, religion, "a particular system of faith and worship," is what the bible is all about. The bible explains this 'system of faith' via the old and new testament; even though the laws were not explicitly stated in the latter, it's was an enforcement of the prior book but with less death threats and more reader-friendly.

2. Now, let me add some more context, Paul, the champion of the Christian faith, as a matter of fact, diluted Judaism; not because he offered a better understanding of it, but solely for the purpose of making it more acceptable to the gentiles. He changed his name from Saul to Paul, so as to be welcomed by the Roman gentiles, and so on.

Then, I would have to ask you again, what is your definition of Religion? After all, you do subscribe to tenets that are not common amongst other 'Christians'. Moreso, given that you also call yourself a Christian, then it means the system of faith which you practice differs from others. What do you call your system of faith? Canonical, Gnostic, Essenic, or Kobojunkic?lol.

Any book that defines how you must see life for the sake of pleasing the alleged creator of the world according to the book, is a religious book. hence, you practice religion too.

Theses ramblings born of ignorance of what is in fact contained in the book are old and not worth digging into . Again, go back through the book with a mind open to infact realizing what what written for your own self and then, you will begin then to sound less ignorant than the many pulpit puppets out there.

mjuvey3:
Where in the old testament did God said he was going to send his son as a sacrifice for sin?

Okay let's ignore that question right there and move to this - Why did Christianity had to add the Jewish holy book( Old Testament aka Tanakh) to their holy book, the New testament

Imagine Islam adding the Holy bible to the Quran and forming a new religion

Another question is - In the Old Testament, God's name was Yahweh but in the new testament,it changed to Jesus Why?

Let's even imagine Jesus is the way,the truth and the life That means billions of Muslims, Buddists, Hinduists, Atheists, Traditional worshipers etc will rot in hell forever

For Judaism not to believe in Jesus rings a bell because Christianity came from Judaism.

Also, the awaited messiah in Judaism is supposed to be a full human being not a divine being or a god-man.

Why will the eternal God who created the universe,space,ocean etc come to die for his creation? Especially humans who he can recreate If The Mercedes-Benz Group AG (former Daimler AG) can make a G-wagon,then they can make something better than a G-wagon(Already in the works) not to talk of the Creator who created everything.

You have a brain,Use it

Can you please first respond to this below then we can have an interesting conversation



Someone asked, why so much interest in prophet Mohammad?

The answer is not difficult
It is because your prophet is the strangest prophet in the history of Prophethood
1. He's the only prophet his God never spoke to directly
2. He is the only prophet to be squeezed three time by an angel with a command to READ
3. He is the only prophet that even after receiving a direct Command from Allah three times to read, he still couldn't read
4. The only prophet to covet and marry the wife of his adopted son
5. The only prophet that was caught by his wife committing adultery with the slave of his wife
6. The only prophet ever to be accused of stealing a red velvet cloth after the battle of badr
7. The only prophet who married a six year old and did all manner of unthinkable sexual things to her until two years later he couldn't help but penetrate her.
8. The only prophet he had sex with a woman whose family was killed less than 24 hours after
9. The only prophet whose God permittedd prostitution for Muslims
10. The only prophet above the laws of Allah for all Muslims.

You will agree with me that this makes prophet Muhammad an extraordinary prophet worthy of being mentioned by ALL whose prophets seem like Saints in comparison.

All these and much more are from Islamic literatures o.

Sorry, we wish all these are LIES but they are from your Islamic literatures!

What do you expect us to do. If Jesus has 1% of these flaws, we would have all converted to Islam.

Thank you

QUESTION:
Please why this aberration?

Kobojunkie:
Theses ramblings born of ignorance of what is in fact contained in the book are old and not worth digging into . Again, go back through the book with a mind open to infact realizing what what written for your own self and then, you will begin then to sound less ignorant than the many pulpit puppets out there.

I've given you the standard definition of religion.

I'd rather read Harry Potter. Which if you've also gone through with an open mind, you'd fi d that holds more to it than what onlookers see.

See how that works?

Unless, you can provide me something substantial that proves your religion is different from that of Christians then I'm all ears. If you can't raise the dead or heal the sick then both are a waste. Hence, it would be a waste for me to burn calories reading a book that doesn't equip me with any form of development. But, of course, according to you, you've unraveled the secrets of the bible that no one else has seen before. Oh please.. Stop tapping yourself on the back.

I'm christ, hungry and in need of fruit. Where is the fruit you've produced that I might eat and be filled?

kkins25:
I've given you the standard definition of religion.

Think... why in the world would any reasonable mind think this here another meaningless discourse about some standard of definition of Religion?
Go right ahead and read your Harry Potter then if you are not able to intelligently dig through the topic at hand abeg!