vicardino:


Ignorance kills people and it's not a matter of title or position. Show me a scripture where a new testament believer, someone redeemed by the blood of Jesus is asked to fast and pray to enforce victory or against generational curses. Show me a scripture where the early Church gathered together praying against curses. Show me a scripture where any of the Apostles raised a prayer point against curses. My brother, go through your scripture and see the prayer vocabulary of the Apostles before and after they understood the Gospel. I'll be waiting for your reply.

And again, that scripture you keep quoting, don't isolate scripture, you won't get the real meaning, read scripture in context. How did Paul say we should engage spiritual warfare? Is spiritual warfare and ancestral curses an African thing?

Like I said before, we are exchanging Spiritual knowledge hence it is wrong for either you or me to refer to the other as an ignorant.

The issue is that many of us do not even understand what is Ancestral Curse? It is a Spiritual problem that someone inherit from his ancestors. This Spiritual problem will then manifest physically in the form of Poverty, Barrenness, Diseases , anger, Untimely deaths etc.

Hence Ancestral Curses provide spiritual legal ground for physical problems and demons to manifest and afflict our lives.

For instance, Moses, was from the tribe of Levi and he inherited anger from his linage. That anger made him broke the scroll of the ten commandments and also contributed in stopping him from entering the Promise Land.

The Curse placed on the tribe of Levi by Jacob provided a spiritual legal ground for the Spirit of anger to torment Moses ( Genesis 49:7).

During the ministration of Jesus, He casted out many demons. He also gave His disciples the power to cast out demons. However on a particular occasion in Mark 9: 17-29 , the disciples of Jesus could not cast out a particular demon of epilepsy that has been troubling a young man from childhood.

After Jesus has intervened in the situation, He confided in His disciples that without fasting and prayer, they can not cast out such demon. Why can't the disciples deal with such problem unless they fast and pray? it is because the problem is very deep.

There is an ancestral curse behind the epilespy . That is why it started the young man from childhood. He inherited it from one of his ancestors just as Moses inherited anger from his ancestors, Simon and Levi.

The disciples needed to fast and pray before they can deal with such problem. Jesus taught His disciples that lesson and He also wants us to learn from it.

Hence ancestral curses do exist. We need to fast and pray before we can overcome them and enjoy the benefits of the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Matthew 11:12 says - " From the days of John the Baptist till now, the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take their blessings by force".

The Violent Christians are those that engages in Spiritual Warfare and are determine to enforce the victory of Jesus Christ in their respective lives. They are the kind of Christians that will take their blessings by force.

gypsey:
Well... if your psychiatrits could not diagnose this condition then it is even worst than bipolar, maybe you should try another psychiatrist it might be schizophrenia

Oh, now you assume you know better than the psychiatrists abi?

MikeofAfrica:


The problem is that Our Pastors are feeding us with bread and butter messages hence many of us are very shallow in Spiritual issues.

Let us start with physical things that we can understand.

Buhari Government has been taking loans from China. When Buhari leaves, his successor will inherit the loans. If his successor fails to pay it, the next successor will inherit it.

That is what we mean by ancestral curses. They are Spiritual problems that we inherited from our ancestors. These curses can manifest physically in form of Poverty, terminal diseases , untimely deaths, barrenness etc.

Now I want you to carry out a practical research. I want you to find out whether there are genuine men of God in your Church and Nigeria who have terminal diseases like diabetes, ashima, High Blood Pressure, Partial stroke etc. Also find out if these men of God inherited these ailments from their parents or not.

Remember that Jesus Christ gave us victory over diseases. By His stripes , we are healed . Hence why are believers still inheriting Spiritual problems from their ancestors? Why are many believers poor because of their background?

The answers is there is an ancretral curse behind such problem. If someone's ancestor buries a pregnant woman alive for ritual during his time, a powerful curse will come upon all his linage. Even the righteous people from his linage will suffer as a result of that curse until they break the curse by enforcing the victory in the blood of Jesus through fasting and prayers"

Jesus is aware that without fasting and prayer, such curse will not break and the problem and demons manifesting from the curse will persist.
Hence He told His disciples that some problems cannot go except through fasting and prayer( Mark 9: 28-29) .

How can Buhari's successor inherit his loans when the "acquired debt" is already paid as soon as he resumes in that office.

Gal 3: 13-15

Christ paid the price to free us from the curse that the laws in Moses’ Teachings bring by becoming cursed instead of us. Scripture says, “Everyone who is hung on a tree is cursed.” 14 ⌞Christ paid the price⌟ so that the blessing promised to Abraham would come to all the people of the world through Jesus Christ and we would receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Christ paid all to remove us from curses that accompany Moses law and qualify us for Abrahamic blessings.

Show me an ancestral curse that is greater than the curses in the five book of Moses

Naira20:
I get your point. However, deliverance as a concept isn't just about devils.
There are situations that is beyond you as a human being and you seek God's help.
The issue is how "mechanical" it is now

I actually agree with you. I was looking at it from only one point of view. Thanks for this.

Kobojunkie:
So you think you know better than the psychiatrists abi?

well.. clearly your psychiatrist could not diagnose your condition that is an indication that he or she might not be very good at the job. Maybe you should try another psychiatrists i mean, to get a second or third opinion, you might even be suffering from schizophrenia.


Look! some mentally ill patients sees images (or spiritis as you call it) and things that are not there and if you say you suffer from bipolar then it is possible that you see this so called "spirit" also perhaps you need proper diagnostic and a good medication.


Spirits do not exist, it might exist in the head of a bipolar patient like you.


Go see another psychiatrist.

You're welcome

HedwigesMaduro:


I actually agree with you. I was looking at it from only one point of view. Thanks for this.

Hotice085:


Wetin Musa no go SEE and HEAR for gate, abeg Baba Spiritual answer this very simple questions

* Before the Europeans eg Christopher Columbus got to America were there people living in the Americas:

* Where these people experiencing hurricanes earthquakes and other natural disasters and did these people have names for these wonders of nature?

* Or did all these natural disasters started as a result of the Europeans coming to America

Baba Spiritual no long story just answer the questions

Let me answer you by asking -

In the Bible, Did God start blessing the land of Israel before Jesus Christ was born or after Jesus Christ was born?

Long before Jesus was born, God blessed the Land and people of Israel because the Messiah is destined by God to come from there.

Long before Christopher Columbus was born, God cursed the Land of America with natural disasters because the Slave dealers are destined to occupy and own that territory.



Lo

gypsey:
well. Spirits do not exist, it might exist in the head of a bipolar patient like you.
Go see another psychiatrist.

As I already tried explaining, spirits exists in pretty much the same way your mind exists. You can't see or touch it --- no one else besides your person is really able to perceive it --- but you know it is there and it is you.

Kobojunkie:
As I already tried explaining, spirits exists in pretty much the same way your mind exists. You can't see or touch it --- no one else besides your person is really able to perceive it --- but you know it is there and it is you.

Sounds like Schizophrenia/bipolar, you can keep trying to convince yourself it isn't. That is ussually the case with mental illness sufferers, they d find the best suitable explainations to their illness, just like an alcoholic who always never admits that they are or that they only had one bottle of beer


Why does anyone else not see this spirit? what do you think people would call you if you go around telling them that you see ghosts?

phemmyfour:
How can Buhari's successor inherit his loans when the "acquired debt" is already paid as soon as he resumes in that office.

Gal 3: 13-15

Christ paid the price to free us from the curse that the laws in Moses’ Teachings bring by becoming cursed instead of us. Scripture says, “Everyone who is hung on a tree is cursed.” 14 ⌞Christ paid the price⌟ so that the blessing promised to Abraham would come to all the people of the world through Jesus Christ and we would receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Christ paid all to remove us from curses that accompany Moses law and qualify us for Abrahamic blessings.

Show me an ancestral curse that is greater than the curses in the five book of Moses

You are mixing up Spiritual issues. The Curses of the Law are different from Ancestral Curses.

For instance, In the Law of Moses, a Bastard cannot enter into the temple of God even to the tenth generation ( Deuteronomy 23:2). If a Bastard enters the temple, he will come under a curse hence he will either be stone to death or banish.

In the Law of Moses, a woman having her monthly period is unclean and cannot enter the temple of God.

The death of Jesus authomatically redeemed us from the curse of breaking the laws of Moses ( Galatians 3:13-15), because it is not our fault or the fault of our ancestors that we broke such laws. Hence a bastard can become a Bishop today.

Regarding Ancestral Curses, if a man's ancestor buries a pregnant woman alive for ritual, and the pregnant woman cursed that family before her painful death, that curse is not the Curse of the Law but Generational or Ancestral Curses.

For a person from such family to be free from such curse, he/ she needs to carry out practical steps. He needs to visit the family of the dead pregnant woman and seek for their forgiveness. If possible, he needs to give them financial compensation.

After this physical steps, he will now take spiritual steps by enforcing the victory that Jesus Christ gave him on the Cross. This will be achieve through fasting and prayer.

That is why Jesus said that some problems will not go expect through fasting and prayer( Mark 9 : 28-29).

MikeofAfrica:


Let me answer you by asking -

In the Bible, Did God start blessing the land of Israel before Jesus Christ was born or after Jesus Christ was born?

Long before Jesus was born, God blessed the Land and people of Israel because the Messiah is destined by God to come from there.

Long before Christopher Columbus was born, God cursed the Land of America with natural disasters because the Slave dealers are destined to occupy and own that territory.



Lo

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So the INCAS APACHES MOHAWKS and other tribes that did not participate in slavery but also suffered greatly in the hands of the Europeans were already living in a cursed land with natural disasters while they still awaited more sufferings from the incoming Europeans, what a merciful GOD you serve?

This your God must truly love the Europeans and Arabs while he severely hates Africans and Native Americans, he allows one side to be enjoying while the other suffers, no be small thing O

Anyway Baba Spiritual does earthquakes occurs in Europe North Africa and Asia, what kind of curse is this?

And BABA spiritual did this God of yours after 7days of creating the Earth, why did he look upon it and say that the Earth was well created and good in his sight?

When did your God start cursing different part of the earth which he created, plz I am enjoying this your spiritual exposition
Spiritual Baba I await your response

edoairways:

There are deeper revelations and mysteries that you and others don't know. I was once like you unlike Jesus Christ delivered me

You are the typical Nairaland Christian. It's like all of you are in the same Whatsapp group. The moment someone disagrees with you guys, you begin to pull us unnecessary superiority stunts. If everyone starts the "I was once like you" stupidity, we would never have meaningful conversations

MikeofAfrica:


Like I said before, we are exchanging Spiritual knowledge hence it is wrong for either you or me to refer to the other as an ignorant.

The issue is that many of us do not even understand what is Ancestral Curse? It is a Spiritual problem that someone inherit from his ancestors. This Spiritual problem will then manifest physically in the form of Poverty, Barrenness, Diseases , anger, Untimely deaths etc.

Hence Ancestral Curses provide spiritual legal ground for physical problems and demons to manifest and afflict our lives.

For instance, Moses, was from the tribe of Levi and he inherited anger from his linage. That anger made him broke the scroll of the ten commandments and also contributed in stopping him from entering the Promise Land.

The Curse placed on the tribe of Levi by Jacob provided a spiritual legal ground for the Spirit of anger to torment Moses ( Genesis 49:7).

During the ministration of Jesus, He casted out many demons. He also gave His disciples the power to cast out demons. However on a particular occasion in Mark 9: 17-29 , the disciples of Jesus could not cast out a particular demon of epilepsy that has been troubling a young man from childhood.

After Jesus has intervened in the situation, He confided in His disciples that without fasting and prayer, they can not cast out such demon. Why can't the disciples deal with such problem unless they fast and pray? it is because the problem is very deep.

There is an ancestral curse behind the epilespy . That is why it started the young man from childhood. He inherited it from one of his ancestors just as Moses inherited anger from his ancestors, Simon and Levi.

The disciples needed to fast and pray before they can deal with such problem. Jesus taught His disciples that lesson and He also wants us to learn from it.

Hence ancestral curses do exist. We need to fast and pray before we can overcome them and enjoy the benefits of the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Matthew 11:12 says - " From the days of John the Baptist till now, the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take their blessings by force".

The Violent Christians are those that engages in Spiritual Warfare and are determine to enforce the victory of Jesus Christ in their respective lives. They are the kind of Christians that will take their blessings by force.

Firstly, I wasn't referring to you as being ignorant, I was just talking generally. What you don't know has got an advantage over you. The first thing that God did in the recreation of the earth was to declare light, why? Because only the presence of light (illumination, knowledge) dispels darkness (state of confusion, ignorance). Jesus kept saying I'm the Light of the world, he said same thing of us that we are the light of the world meaning that we are to rid the world(the people) of the ignorant state that she is.

Secondly, None of the scriptures above answered the questions I asked you bro. That the disciples couldn't cast out demons was because of their lack of faith and not because they weren't fasting and praying. Look at that scripture again, the subject of prayer was in discussion before the possessed child was brought. Please for the umpteenth time, stop quoting scripture out of context. I hope you know that the disciples at this time weren't Christians? I hope you know that the disciples weren't believers at this time? I hope you know that they had no indwelling of the Holy Spirit at this time? Lemme ask you, how'd Jesus have expected them to pray and cast out demons? When he sent them out in pairs and they came back telling him that they healed the sick and did miracles, didn't they do it by praying? Didn't they cast out demons then? Luke 10 : 17, then read Mathew 17 : 19 - 20. They couldn't cast out the demon because they were of no faith. I'm not downplaying the need to fast and pray but a believer doesn't need to fast and pray to be able to heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out demons. You don't need it.

Thirdly, Mathew 11 : 12 was quoted out of context again. Lemme break it down a little, Jesus was the one who said those words, please pay attention to what I'm about pointing out. Jesus said, from the days of John the Baptist until NOW, the Kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent taketh it by force.

If you say something had been the trend until NOW, what does that means? It means the trend NOW no longer continues, Jesus never said until eternity. Jesus presents and represents the kingdom of God to us. He told the disciples that the Kingdom of God has come unto you and that the kingdom of God is in you. Until Jesus came, people were attempting to seek God's kingdom, they did all sort, went into religion, used the law and all but by no man's effort can he see/experience the Kingdom of God. Jesus came to show us the Kingdom of God and from that time, the Kingdom of God is in us, no violent taketh it by force again. When believers understand this, they will fully understand who they are and the power that's on their inside. Ignorance of the scripture and the finished works of Christ is why many pastors are cashing out using generational curses and lies to deceive gullible Christians.

Can you see now that you have no scripture in the new testament that talks about fasting and praying over generational curses? There's nothing like that for someone in whom the kingdom of God dwells. Shalom

vicardino:


Firstly, I wasn't referring to you as being ignorant, I was just talking generally. What you don't know has got an advantage over you. The first thing that God did in the recreation of the earth was to declare light, why? Because only the presence of light (illumination, knowledge) dispels darkness (state of confusion, ignorance). Jesus kept saying I'm the Light of the world, he said same thing of us that we are the light of the world meaning that we are to rid the world(the people) of the ignorant state that she is.

Secondly, None of the scriptures above answered the questions I asked you bro. That the disciples couldn't cast out demons was because of their lack of faith and not because they weren't fasting and praying. Look at that scripture again, the subject of prayer was in discussion before the possessed child was brought. Please for the umpteenth time, stop quoting scripture out of context. I hope you know that the disciples at this time weren't Christians? I hope you know that the disciples weren't believers at this time? I hope you know that they had no indwelling of the Holy Spirit at this time? Lemme ask you, how'd Jesus have expected them to pray and cast out demons? When he sent them out in pairs and they came back telling him that they healed the sick and did miracles, didn't they do it by praying? Didn't they cast out demons then? Luke 10 : 17, then read Mathew 17 : 19 - 20. They couldn't cast out the demon because they were of no faith. I'm not downplaying the need to fast and pray but a believer doesn't need to fast and pray to be able to heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out demons. You don't need it.

Thirdly, Mathew 11 : 12 was quoted out of context again. Lemme break it down a little, Jesus was the one who said those words, please pay attention to what I'm about pointing out. Jesus said, from the days of John the Baptist until NOW, the Kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent taketh it by force.

If you say something had been the trend until NOW, what does that means? It means the trend NOW no longer continues, Jesus never said until eternity. Jesus presents and represents the kingdom of God to us. He told the disciples that the Kingdom of God has come unto you and that the kingdom of God is in you. Until Jesus came, people were attempting to seek God's kingdom, they did all sort, went into religion, used the law and all but by no man's effort can he see/experience the Kingdom of God. Jesus came to show us the Kingdom of God and from that time, the Kingdom of God is in us, no violent taketh it by force again. When believers understand this, they will fully understand who they are and the power that's on their inside. Ignorance of the scripture and the finished works of Christ is why many pastors are cashing out using generational curses and lies to deceive gullible Christians.

Can you see now that you have no scripture in the new testament that talks about fasting and praying over generational curses? There's nothing like that for someone in whom the kingdom of God dwells. Shalom

There are two sides to a Coin hence I am happy to learn one or two things from you.

However I want you to know that Generational Curses are different from the Curse of the Law. The Curse of the Law are the punishments pronounced by Moses on people that did not follow the principles of God.
For instance, in Deutronomy 23:2, Moses decreed that bastards must not enter the temple of God even to the tenth generation. It is a curse of the Law because bastards are not born in accordance to the principles of God which is marriage.

Galatians 3:13-15 told us that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law. Hence when someone gives his life to Christ, all curses of the law in that life is automatically broken. That is why bastards are even bishops today.
You don't need to fast and pray against such curse. The light of God will shine in your life and take away the darkness of such curse.

Hence your points are in respective of the curse of the Law.

Ancestral Curses are quite different. Take for instance, a man decided to use a pregnant woman for ritual. In the process of burying the pregnant woman alive, she pronounced a curse that all the man's children till the tenth generation will die before the age of forty.

When someone from such family gives his life to Christ, such ancestral / generational curse is not automatically broken like the Curse of the Law.

To break such curse, you have to take both physical and spiritual actions. First, you have to show remorse and seek the forgiveness of the dead pregnant woman's children or relatives. You have to apologize on behalf of your ancestor.

Secondly, you have to give the woman's family some compensation . This can be in cash or in kind depending on which they will accept. This restitution will neutralize the spiritual legal ground of the woman's curse.

It is only when you have carry out these two important steps that you can embark on fasting and prayer to break the curses from the mouth of the dead pregnant woman from having effect in your life.

Without fasting and prayer, generational curses cannot be broken. That is why Apostle Paul told us to work out our own salvation.

Any Pastor who tells you that the death of Jesus Christ automatically breaks ancestral and generational curses is still a baby in Christ.

Jesus and John the Baptist lived on Earth at the same period of time. Hence your interpretation of Matthew 11: 12 is wrong. " From the days of John the Baptist till now( today) , the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take their blessings by force".

The passage is a prophetic message. Jesus refered to the "future" as "Now" in the passage . That is why Jesus prayed in Luke 22 vs 44 until His sweat became like great drops of blood. That is the violent prayer He was talking about. He was talking about the kind of prayer that both Him and His followers will start praying from the days of John the Baptist.

I can give you examples of Generational curses in the Bible and how such curses were broken.

vicardino:


Firstly, I wasn't referring to you as being ignorant, I was just talking generally. What you don't know has got an advantage over you. The first thing that God did in the recreation of the earth was to declare light, why? Because only the presence of light (illumination, knowledge) dispels darkness (state of confusion, ignorance). Jesus kept saying I'm the Light of the world, he said same thing of us that we are the light of the world meaning that we are to rid the world(the people) of the ignorant state that she is.

Secondly, None of the scriptures above answered the questions I asked you bro. That the disciples couldn't cast out demons was because of their lack of faith and not because they weren't fasting and praying. Look at that scripture again, the subject of prayer was in discussion before the possessed child was brought. Please for the umpteenth time, stop quoting scripture out of context. I hope you know that the disciples at this time weren't Christians? I hope you know that the disciples weren't believers at this time? I hope you know that they had no indwelling of the Holy Spirit at this time? Lemme ask you, how'd Jesus have expected them to pray and cast out demons? When he sent them out in pairs and they came back telling him that they healed the sick and did miracles, didn't they do it by praying? Didn't they cast out demons then? Luke 10 : 17, then read Mathew 17 : 19 - 20. They couldn't cast out the demon because they were of no faith. I'm not downplaying the need to fast and pray but a believer doesn't need to fast and pray to be able to heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out demons. You don't need it.

Thirdly, Mathew 11 : 12 was quoted out of context again. Lemme break it down a little, Jesus was the one who said those words, please pay attention to what I'm about pointing out. Jesus said, from the days of John the Baptist until NOW, the Kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent taketh it by force.

If you say something had been the trend until NOW, what does that means? It means the trend NOW no longer continues, Jesus never said until eternity. Jesus presents and represents the kingdom of God to us. He told the disciples that the Kingdom of God has come unto you and that the kingdom of God is in you. Until Jesus came, people were attempting to seek God's kingdom, they did all sort, went into religion, used the law and all but by no man's effort can he see/experience the Kingdom of God. Jesus came to show us the Kingdom of God and from that time, the Kingdom of God is in us, no violent taketh it by force again. When believers understand this, they will fully understand who they are and the power that's on their inside. Ignorance of the scripture and the finished works of Christ is why many pastors are cashing out using generational curses and lies to deceive gullible Christians.

Can you see now that you have no scripture in the new testament that talks about fasting and praying over generational curses? There's nothing like that for someone in whom the kingdom of God dwells. Shalom

There are two sides to a Coin hence I am happy to learn one or two things from you.

However I want you to know that Generational Curses are different from the Curse of the Law. The Curse of the Law are the punishments pronounced by Moses on people that did not follow the principles of God.
For instance, in Deutronomy 23:2, Moses decreed that bastards must not enter the temple of God even to the tenth generation. It is a curse of the Law because bastards are not born in accordance to the principles of God which is marriage.

Galatians 3:13-15 told us that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law. Hence when someone gives his life to Christ, all curses of the law in that life is automatically broken. That is why bastards are even bishops today.
You don't need to fast and pray against such curse. The light of God will shine in your life and take away the darkness of such curse.

Hence your points are in respective of the curse of the Law.

Ancestral Curses are quite different. Take for instance, a man decided to use a pregnant woman for ritual. In the process of burying the pregnant woman alive, she pronounced a curse that all the man's children till the tenth generation will die before the age of forty.

That is a powerful ancestral/ generational curse.

When someone from such family gives his life to Christ, such ancestral / generational curse is not automatically broken like the Curse of the Law.

To break such curse, you have to take both physical and spiritual actions. First, you have to show remorse and seek the forgiveness of the dead pregnant woman's children or relatives. You have to apologize on behalf of your ancestor.

Secondly, you have to give the woman's family some compensation . This can be in cash or in kind depending on which they will accept. This restitution will neutralize the spiritual legal ground of the woman's curse.

It is only when you have carry out these two important steps that you can embark on fasting and prayer to break the curses from the mouth of the dead pregnant woman from having effect in your life.

Without fasting and prayer, generational curses cannot be broken. That is why Apostle Paul told us to work out our own salvation.

Any Pastor who tells you that the death of Jesus Christ automatically breaks ancestral and generational curses is still a baby in Christ.

Jesus Christ and John the Baptist lived on Earth at the same period of time. Hence your interpretation of Matthew 11: 12 is wrong. " From the days of John the Baptist till now( today) , the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take their blessings by force".

The passage is a prophetic message. Jesus refered to the "future" as "Now" in the passage . That is why Jesus prayed in Luke 22 vs 44 until His sweat became like great drops of blood. That is the violent prayer He was talking about. He was talking about the kind of prayer that both Him and His followers will start praying from the days of John the Baptist.

I can give you examples of Generational curses in the Bible and how such curses were broken.

MikeofAfrica:



There are two sides to a Coin hence I am happy to learn one or two things from you.

However I want you to know that Generational Curses are different from the Curse of the Law. The Curse of the Law are the punishments pronounced by Moses on people that did not follow the principles of God.
For instance, in Deutronomy 23:2, Moses decreed that bastards must not enter the temple of God even to the tenth generation. It is a curse of the Law because bastards are not born in accordance to the principles of God which is marriage.

Galatians 3:13-15 told us that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law. Hence when someone gives his life to Christ, all curses of the law in that life is automatically broken. That is why bastards are even bishops today.
You don't need to fast and pray against such curse. The light of God will shine in your life and take away the darkness of such curse.

Hence your points are in respective of the curse of the Law.

Ancestral Curses are quite different. Take for instance, a man decided to use a pregnant woman for ritual. In the process of burying the pregnant woman alive, she pronounced a curse that all the man's children till the tenth generation will die before the age of forty.

That is a powerful ancestral/ generational curse.

When someone from such family gives his life to Christ, such ancestral / generational curse is not automatically broken like the Curse of the Law.

To break such curse, you have to take both physical and spiritual actions. First, you have to show remorse and seek the forgiveness of the dead pregnant woman's children or relatives. You have to apologize on behalf of your ancestor.

Secondly, you have to give the woman's family some compensation . This can be in cash or in kind depending on which they will accept. This restitution will neutralize the spiritual legal ground of the woman's curse.

It is only when you have carry out these two important steps that you can embark on fasting and prayer to break the curses from the mouth of the dead pregnant woman from having effect in your life.

Without fasting and prayer, generational curses cannot be broken. That is why Apostle Paul told us to work out our own salvation.

Any Pastor who tells you that the death of Jesus Christ automatically breaks ancestral and generational curses is still a baby in Christ.

Jesus Christ and John the Baptist lived on Earth at the same period of time. Hence your interpretation of Matthew 11: 12 is wrong. " From the days of John the Baptist till now( today) , the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take their blessings by force".

The passage is a prophetic message. Jesus refered to the "future" as "Now" in the passage . That is why Jesus prayed in Luke 22 vs 44 until His sweat became like great drops of blood. That is the violent prayer He was talking about. He was talking about the kind of prayer that both Him and His followers will start praying from the days of John the Baptist.

I can give you examples of Generational curses in the Bible and how such curses were broken.

.I asked you a simple question but you are busy answering others and you have the audacity to call me spiritual kid?,,, Baba spiritual we haven't yet started spiritual talk you are already avoiding my questions .
Since I am a spiritual kid and you be spirtual baba answer my last questions becos all this your generation and ancestral gibberish only exist in the mindset of individuals
You will tell me if the abominations of the British royal family the oba of Benin family the obong of Calabar the Nazis that killed millions of Jews whether an ordinary African man in the,village of his ancestors or the native Americans if their abominations can be compared
.,
Generational and ancestral rubbish do you know the abominations committed in Ancient Japan China and Europe?

Kobojunkie:
But Exodus applies to those who are God's Old Law of Moses which happens to be the Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan, a constitution that applies to those who are of the blood of Jacob in that land - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - and the foreigners who live in the land with them. Zacchaeus was one of then and so sensibly obeyed that Law.

You, on the other hand, are not of the blood of Jacob neither do you live in the land of Canaan, or do you?

I disagree with your analysis, Jacob, Zacchaeus and we are all descendants of Adam and Eve.

Hotice085:


.I asked you a simple question but you are busy answering others and you have the audacity to call me spiritual kid?,,, Baba spiritual we haven't yet started spiritual talk you are already avoiding my questions .
Since I am a spiritual kid and you be spirtual baba answer my last questions becos all this your generation and ancestral gibberish only exist in the mindset of individuals
You will tell me if the abominations of the British royal family the oba of Benin family the obong of Calabar the Nazis that killed millions of Jews whether an ordinary African man in the,village of his ancestors or the native Americans if their abominations can be compared
.,
Generational and ancestral rubbish do you know the abominations committed in Ancient Japan China and Europe?

This is a public forum hence I expect you to show some respect to both yourself and to me. Don't quote me to ridicule me, that is not necessary.

I have seen your question and planned to give you an answer at the appropriate time. Generational curses is a very serious issue that has sent thousands of people to their early grave hence it is not something to joke with.

God did not hate the Americans or the Africans. The truth is that of all the nations on Earth today, God loves the United States of America most. He also love other nations, but the United States is the heartbeat of God.

However God has a principle of punishing severely any nation that He loves when she offends Him. Hence If China and the United States offends God today, God might overlook the actions of China but the United States will not go unpunish.

MikeofAfrica:


This is a public forum hence I expect you to show some respect to both yourself and to me. Don't quote me to ridicule me, that is not necessary.

I have seen your question and planned to give you an answer at the appropriate time. Generational curses is a very serious issue that has sent thousands of people to their early grave hence it is not something to joke with.

God did not hate the Americans or the Africans. The truth is that of all the nations on Earth today, God loves the United States of America most. He also love other nations, but the United States is the heartbeat of God.

However God has a principle of punishing severely any nation that He loves when she offends Him. Hence If China and the United States offends God today, God might overlook the actions of China but the United States will not go unpunish.

Ridicule, plz just don't go there! People like you will start the fire but turn around to shout otherwise. You called me a spiritual kid and I call you Baba Spiritual you de tell me now that this is a public forum.

I have not seen any Answers from you all I see his tongue twisting,
* Was the original inhabitants of the Americas experiencing natural disasters before the arrival of the Europeans, YEE or NO

* Is the Europeans continent and the middle East prone to earthquake, YES or No

Two simple questions only in rsepone to your CURSE doctrines


Nothing like Generational or Ancestral CURSE only exist in the minds of those who believes in it

Testimony1988:
I disagree with your analysis, Jacob, Zacchaeus and we are all descendants of Adam and Eve.

What has Adam and Eve to do with what is written in the Old Law of Moses aka the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan given by God to the Children of Israel, those who are of the blood of Jacob - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - , a law which you quoted from?

Zacchaeus is of the blood of Jacob and he also lived in the land of Canaan at the time and was an Israelite so clearly that Law bound his existence as a result. My guess is you are not an Israelite and you don't live in the land of Canaan with descendants of Jacob, and so are you of those that agreement belongs to. So why quote from a Law that binds only those who God specifically gave that agreement to as if to suggest God made a mistake?

tctrills:

You are the typical Nairaland Christian. It's like all of you are in the same Whatsapp group. The moment someone disagrees with you guys, you begin to pull us unnecessary superiority stunts. If everyone starts the "I was once like you" stupidity, we would never have meaningful conversations

Christianity is not theory but real Mr man.

edoairways:

Christianity is not theory but real Mr man.

If you believe that the word of God is theory then amen to you.

MikeofAfrica:



There are two sides to a Coin hence I am happy to learn one or two things from you.

However I want you to know that Generational Curses are different from the Curse of the Law. The Curse of the Law are the punishments pronounced by Moses on people that did not follow the principles of God.
For instance, in Deutronomy 23:2, Moses decreed that bastards must not enter the temple of God even to the tenth generation. It is a curse of the Law because bastards are not born in accordance to the principles of God which is marriage.

Galatians 3:13-15 told us that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law. Hence when someone gives his life to Christ, all curses of the law in that life is automatically broken. That is why bastards are even bishops today.
You don't need to fast and pray against such curse. The light of God will shine in your life and take away the darkness of such curse.

Hence your points are in respective of the curse of the Law.

Ancestral Curses are quite different. Take for instance, a man decided to use a pregnant woman for ritual. In the process of burying the pregnant woman alive, she pronounced a curse that all the man's children till the tenth generation will die before the age of forty.

That is a powerful ancestral/ generational curse.

When someone from such family gives his life to Christ, such ancestral / generational curse is not automatically broken like the Curse of the Law.

To break such curse, you have to take both physical and spiritual actions. First, you have to show remorse and seek the forgiveness of the dead pregnant woman's children or relatives. You have to apologize on behalf of your ancestor.

Secondly, you have to give the woman's family some compensation . This can be in cash or in kind depending on which they will accept. This restitution will neutralize the spiritual legal ground of the woman's curse.

It is only when you have carry out these two important steps that you can embark on fasting and prayer to break the curses from the mouth of the dead pregnant woman from having effect in your life.

Without fasting and prayer, generational curses cannot be broken. That is why Apostle Paul told us to work out our own salvation.

Any Pastor who tells you that the death of Jesus Christ automatically breaks ancestral and generational curses is still a baby in Christ.

Jesus Christ and John the Baptist lived on Earth at the same period of time. Hence your interpretation of Matthew 11: 12 is wrong. " From the days of John the Baptist till now( today) , the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take their blessings by force".

The passage is a prophetic message. Jesus refered to the "future" as "Now" in the passage . That is why Jesus prayed in Luke 22 vs 44 until His sweat became like great drops of blood. That is the violent prayer He was talking about. He was talking about the kind of prayer that both Him and His followers will start praying from the days of John the Baptist.

I can give you examples of Generational curses in the Bible and how such curses were broken.

My brother, this will be my last submission on this subject matter. I'm not trying to gain you to see things my way but just writing it here so people could read and hold to what is true. Having a basic understanding of being born again settles all these funny assumptions and questions once and for all. I will try to write as much as I can, hoping that many will eventually read this someday.

Before Jesus came, the law and the prophets were the access points through which people retained the knowledge of God, through which people could access God. People would travel several hundreds of miles, thousands of mile to worship God, that is to have an experience of the kingdom of God. This was difficult, even Jesus trekked from Galilee to River Jordan just to be baptised, he didn't have to but all righteousness must be fulfilled, check the distance between Galilee to River Jordan and see how many days it must have taken Jesus just to see John (the voice of God on earth at that time). Imagine what people went through just so they could feel, have a taste, have an experience of the kingdom of God. Could everyone as at then do this? Was it convenient for everyone? Jesus came and said from now on, you'd no longer have to suffer to experience the Kingdom of God because the Kingdom of God is in you. He in another place said that there's no need going to mountain to seek for God because that God is a Spirit and you can only worship him in spirit and in truth. I hope you know that the baptism of John was only a religious practice that had no power, no substance whatsoever. In fact, he only baptised people just so he could be able to identify Jesus and announce him as the voice then. The baptism of John wasn't unto repentance because look at it, what were they repenting from and what was the better option for them at that time? Apostle Paul met some disciples of John and asked them if they had been baptised with the Holy Ghost, they told him Nooo, they only had the baptism of John, they had no results in their lives, Apostle Paul laid hands on them and they got filled with the Holy Ghost. That's the kingdom of God that they'd suffered to experience. Everything John did was a foreshadow of what Jesus was to do. Jesus said 'From the days of John the Baptist until NOW, you had suffered and toiled to experience the Kingdom of God and only the strong ones among you could withstand the rigours and pains but not anymore because the kingdom has come unto you and that the Kingdom of God is in you.


Secondly, what does being born again simply means? If any man is in Christ, he's a new creation, a creation that had never existed before, not a refurbished, not a pimped, not a changed creation but a NEW one. What part of NEW do people not understand? Before God, your life started the day you gave your life to Christ and that day, God became your father, you are of his lineage. Your Adamic self that can be affected with generational curses and nonsense died, no longer exist. The NEW you that's existing is the one born of the word and Spirit, born of God and not of man's will. How's this difficult for Christians to understand? The Adamic you had no Holy Spirit, the Adamic you was soulish operating in the realm of the soul. Scripture says that the First Adam was a living soul but the Second one a life giving Spirit. That's who you are the day you gave your life to Christ, you become a life giving Spirit. Your life doesn't pattern after Adam but after Christ. What's not traceable to Christ must not be found in you, nothing holds you bound again. Can't you see it? I'm deliberately not quoting many scriptures cos I want people to understand scriptures and not just quoting scriptures upandan with little or no understanding.

In old testament, when the children of Israel were to be delivered( redeemed, born again) from Pharaoh, on the Night of Crossover/Passover, the hosts of Pharaoh who had been lords over the israelites were chasing the Israelites by Pharaoh's order, it got to the red sea, Scripture says that a cloud of fire camped around the children of Israel and separated them from the Egyptian forces. The cloud of fire there is the presence of God. If God could camp round the children of Israel whom he didn't die for at that time, they had no Holy Spirit, they weren't redeemed by the blood of Jesus, yet the Egyptian forces couldn’t have access to them because the presence of God barricaded them, same way the Spirit of God in every believer's life shields you from curses and forces of darkness. The ignorance of a believer is what grants access to forces of darkness and curses, IGNORANCE. How can a generational curse affect someone who's not of earthly tribe? Scripture says that we have been called out every TRIBE, TONGUES, NATIONS AND PEOPLE. You have been called out. The blood that flows in you isn't your generational or father's blood but the blood of Jesus. Do you even know how curses are transferred? It is by the blood. Stop the blood flow and curses will stop.


Balaam a sorcerer, using divination was contracted to curse Israel, God's children and in all his several attempts, he couldn't. The realm of the Spirit was shut against him, he couldn't pronounce a curse on the children of God. How then can you, a begotten son, the children of Israel weren't even the begotten sons of God, they weren't up to your level before God, how then can you, a begotten son of the Father claim that Generational curse can affect you and it's by your prayer and spiritual warfare that you can defeat them? What prayer and warfare made the children of Israel not be susceptible to curse?

My brother, I can talk scriptures with you from Genesis to revelation but that's not the point here, are you before God better than the children of Israel? YES.

Do you rank higher than John the Baptist before God? YES. So, what's the fuss? If your answers to these questions are NO, then you need to go back to your Scripture and stop arguing for now. Trying to bamboozle people with SPIRITUAL things can only work on gullible Christians. If Christians would take their places in God, the world will be turned upside down. I'm a Spirit, nothing SPIRITUAL is a big deal, I operate in the realm of the Spirit always. Let's not try and hide our ignorance by claiming that simple and basics understanding of the Gospel is SPIRITUAL.

Bro, I wan watch arsenal match, make I no too talk scriptures miss the match. Ire oo

Shalom.

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vicardino:


My brother, this will be my last submission on this subject matter. I'm not trying to gain you to see things my way but just writing it here so people could read and hold to what is true. Having a basic understanding of being born again settles all these funny assumptions and questions once and for all. I will try to write as much as I can, hoping that many will eventually read this someday.

Before Jesus came, the law and the prophets were the access points through which people retained the knowledge of God, through which people could access God. People would travel several hundreds of miles, thousands of mile to worship God, that is to have an experience of the kingdom of God. This was difficult, even Jesus trekked from Galilee to River Jordan just to be baptised, he didn't have to but all righteousness must be fulfilled, check the distance between Galilee to River Jordan and see how many days it must have taken Jesus just to see John (the voice of God on earth at that time). Imagine what people went through just so they could feel, have a taste, have an experience of the kingdom of God. Could everyone as at then do this? Was it convenient for everyone? Jesus came and said from now on, you'd no longer have to suffer to experience the Kingdom of God because the Kingdom of God is in you. He in another place said that there's no need going to mountain to seek for God because that God is a Spirit and you can only worship him in spirit and in truth. I hope you know that the baptism of John was only a religious practice that had no power, no substance whatsoever. In fact, he only baptised people just so he could be able to identify Jesus and announce him as the voice then. The baptism of John wasn't unto repentance because look at it, what were they repenting from and what was the better option for them at that time? Apostle Paul met some disciples of John and asked them if they had been baptised with the Holy Ghost, they told him Nooo, they only had the baptism of John, they had no results in their lives, Apostle Paul laid hands on them and they got filled with the Holy Ghost. That's the kingdom of God that they'd suffered to experience. Everything John did was a foreshadow of what Jesus was to do. Jesus said 'From the days of John the Baptist until NOW, you had suffered and toiled to experience the Kingdom of God and only the strong ones among you could withstand the rigours and pains but not anymore because the kingdom has come unto you and that the Kingdom of God is in you.


Secondly, what does being born again simply means? If any man is in Christ, he's a new creation, a creation that had never existed before, not a refurbished, not a pimped, not a changed creation but a NEW one. What part of NEW do people not understand? Before God, your life started the day you gave your life to Christ and that day, God became your father, you are of his lineage. Your Adamic self that can be affected with generational curses and nonsense died, no longer exist. The NEW you that's existing is the one born of the word and Spirit, born of God and not of man's will. How's this difficult for Christians to understand? The Adamic you had no Holy Spirit, the Adamic you was soulish operating in the realm of the soul. Scripture says that the First Adam was a living soul but the Second one a life giving Spirit. That's who you are the day you gave your life to Christ, you become a life giving Spirit. Your life doesn't pattern after Adam but after Christ. What's not traceable to Christ must not be found in you, nothing holds you bound again. Can't you see it? I'm deliberately not quoting many scriptures cos I want people to understand scriptures and not just quoting scriptures upandan with little or no understanding.

In old testament, when the children of Israel were to be delivered( redeemed, born again) from Pharaoh, on the Night of Crossover/Passover, the hosts of Pharaoh who had been lords over the israelites were chasing the Israelites by Pharaoh's order, it got to the red sea, Scripture says that a cloud of fire camped around the children of Israel and separated them from the Egyptian forces. The cloud of fire there is the presence of God. If God could camp round the children of Israel whom he didn't die for at that time, they had no Holy Spirit, they weren't redeemed by the blood of Jesus, yet the Egyptian forces couldn’t have access to them because the presence of God barricaded them, same way the Spirit of God in every believer's life shields you from curses and forces of darkness. The ignorance of a believer is what grants access to forces of darkness and curses, IGNORANCE. How can a generational curse affect someone who's not of earthly tribe? Scripture says that we have been called out every TRIBE, TONGUES, NATIONS AND PEOPLE. You have been called out. The blood that flows in you isn't your generational or father's blood but the blood of Jesus. Do you even know how curses are transferred? It is by the blood. Stop the blood flow and curses will stop.


Balaam a sorcerer, using divination was contracted to curse Israel, God's children and in all his several attempts, he couldn't. The realm of the Spirit was shut against him, he couldn't pronounce a curse on the children of God. How then can you, a begotten son, the children of Israel weren't even the begotten sons of God, they weren't up to your level before God, how then can you, a begotten son of the Father claim that Generational curse can affect you and it's by your prayer and spiritual warfare that you can defeat them? What prayer and warfare made the children of Israel not be susceptible to curse?

My brother, I can talk scriptures with you from Genesis to revelation but that's not the point here, are you before God better than the children of Israel? YES.

Do you rank higher than John the Baptist before God? YES. So, what's the fuss? If your answers to these questions are NO, then you need to go back to your Scripture and stop arguing for now. Trying to bamboozle people with SPIRITUAL things can only work on gullible Christians. If Christians would take their places in God, the world will be turned upside down. I'm a Spirit, nothing SPIRITUAL is a big deal, I operate in the realm of the Spirit always. Let's not try and hide our ignorance by claiming that simple and basics understanding of the Gospel is SPIRITUAL.

Bro, I wan watch arsenal match, make I no too talk scriptures miss the match. Ire oo

Shalom.

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Brilliant, let me just summarize it if anyone thinks any SiN be it generation curse or Ancestral curse is greater than the death and resurrection of Christ on the cross of Calvary that person is a BABALAWO

vicardino:


My brother, this will be my last submission on this subject matter. I'm not trying to gain you to see things my way but just writing it here so people could read and hold to what is true. Having a basic understanding of being born again settles all these funny assumptions and questions once I for all. I will try to write as much as I can, hoping that many will eventually read this someday.

Before Jesus came, the law and the prophets were the access points through which people retained the knowledge of God, through which people could access God. People would travel several hundreds of miles, thousands of mile to worship God, that is to have an experience of the kingdom of God. This was difficult, even Jesus trekked from Galilee to River Jordan just to be baptised, he didn't have to but all righteousness must be fulfilled, check the distance between Galilee to River Jordan and see how many days it must have taken Jesus just to see John (the voice of God on earth at that time). Imagine what people went through just so they could feel, have a taste, have an experience of the kingdom of God. Could everyone as at then do this? Was it convenient for everyone? Jesus came and said from now on, you'd no longer have to suffer to experience the Kingdom of God because the Kingdom of God is in you. He in another place said that there's no need going to mountain to seek for God because that God is a Spirit and you can only worship him in spirit and in truth. I hope you know that the baptism of John was only a religious practice that had no power, no substance whatsoever. In fact, he only baptised people just so he could be able to identify Jesus and announce him as the voice then. The baptism of John wasn't unto repentance because look at it, what were they repenting from and what was the better option for them at that time? Apostle Paul met some disciples of John and asked them if they had been baptised with the Holy Ghost, they told him Nooo, they only had the baptism of John, they had no results in their lives, Apostle Paul laid hands on them and they got filled with the Holy Ghost. That's the kingdom of God that they'd suffered to experience. Everything John did was a foreshadow of what Jesus was to do. Jesus said 'From the days of John the Baptist until NOW, you had suffered and toiled to experience the Kingdom of God and only the strong ones among you could withstand the rigours and pains but not anymore because the kingdom has come unto you and that the Kingdom of God is in you.


Secondly, what does being born again simply means? If any man is in Christ, he's a new creation, a creation that had never existed before, not a refurbished, not a pimped, not a changed creation but a NEW one. What part of NEW do people not understand? Before God, your life started the day you gave your life to Christ and that day, God became your father, you are of his lineage. Your Adamic self that can be affected with generational curses and nonsense died, no longer exist. The NEW you that's existing is the one born of the word and Spirit, born of God and not of man's will. How's this difficult for Christians to understand? The Adamic you had no Holy Spirit, the Adamic you was soulish operating in the realm of the soul. Scripture says that the First Adam was a living soul but the Second one a life giving Spirit. That's who you are the day you gave your life to Christ, you become a life giving Spirit. Your life doesn't pattern after Adam but after Christ. What's not traceable to Christ must not be found in you, nothing holds you bound again. Can't you see it? I'm deliberately not quoting many scriptures cos I want people to understand scriptures and not just quoting scriptures upandan with little or no understanding.

In old testament, when the children of Israel were to be delivered( redeemed, born again) from Pharaoh, on the Night of Crossover/Passover, the hosts of Pharaoh who had been lords over the israelites were chasing the Israelites by Pharaoh's order, it got to the red sea, Scripture says that a cloud of fire camped around the children of Israel and separated them from the Egyptian forces. The cloud of fire there is the presence of God. If God could camp round the children of Israel whom he didn't die for at that time, they had no Holy Spirit, they weren't redeemed by the blood of Jesus, yet the Egyptian forces couldn’t have access to them because the presence of God barricaded them, same way the Spirit of God in every believer's life shields you from curses and forces of darkness. The ignorance of a believer is what grants access to forces of darkness and curses, IGNORANCE. How can a generational curse affect someone who's not of earthly tribe? Scripture says that we have been called out every TRIBE, TONGUES, NATIONS AND PEOPLE. You have been called out. The blood that flows in you isn't your generational or father's blood but the blood of Jesus. Do you even know how curses are transferred? It is by the blood. Stop the blood flow and curses will stop.


Balaam a sorcerer, using divination was contracted to curse Israel, God's children and in all his several attempts, he couldn't. The realm of the Spirit was shut against him, he couldn't pronounce a curse on the children of God. How then can you, a begotten son, the children of Israel weren't even the begotten sons of God, they weren't up to your level before God, how then can you, a begotten son of the Father claim that Generational curse can affect you and it's by your prayer and spiritual warfare that you can defeat them? What prayer and warfare made the children of Israel not be susceptible to curse?

My brother, I can talk scriptures with you from Genesis to revelation but that's not the point here, are you before God better than the children of Israel? YES.

Do you rank higher than John the Baptist before God? YES. So, what's the fuss? If your answers to these questions are NO, then you need to go back to your Scripture and stop arguing for now. Trying to bamboozle people with SPIRITUAL things can only work on gullible Christians. If Christians would take their places in God, the world will be turned upside down. I'm a Spirit, nothing SPIRITUAL is a big deal, I operate in the realm of the Spirit always. Let's not try and hide our ignorance by claiming that simple and basics understanding of the Gospel is SPIRITUAL.

Bro, I wan watch arsenal match, make I no too talk scriptures miss the match. Ire oo

Shalom.

My brother, I returned from work unhappy today but after reading what you wrote, I found myself laughing.

You mean if a doctor carry out a DNA test on you today, your blood will no longer match the blood of your parents and siblings that are unbelievers because your blood has turn to the blood of Jesus when you became a born- again Christian?

This is the kind of nonsense that our Pastors are teaching and preaching in our churches. What a pity!

My brother, do you know that Parental curse is even more powerful than generational curses. You can break generational curse by praying yourself but only your parents can break a parental curse that they place on you.

Hence if a born- again Christian refuses to take care of his aged parents that are unbelievers and any of them opened his/ her mouth and curse the born-again Christian, the curse will be valid both in heaven and on Earth.

If the born- again Christian fails to go down on his knee and begged his parents for forgiveness and persuade them to reverse the curse, he/ she will suffer the manifestation of the curse for the rest of his/ her life.

Even if the born- again Christian has the blood of Jesus flowing from his head to his toe, it will not terminate that curse.
Parental curses can only be broken by our parents because they are the one that pronounce the curse and they are our angels on earth. They will need to reverse the curse and pronounce blessings on us before such curse will be broken.

Apostle Paul understand this mystery. That is the reason he advice us to honour our parents so that we will live long on Earth( Ephesians 6:2-3).

This means that any born-again Christian who out of spiritual arrogance neglects his/ her aged parents that are unbeliever will likely not live long on Earth because any Curse from the parents will be stamped by God.

You also need to understand that parental curse can only affect a person when he/ she is guity of an offence while generational curse can only affect a person when his/ her ancestors are guity of an offence.

Hence if a person did not offence his parent and they cursed him out of ignorance, such curse will be invalid.

You need to change your Church because you are not receiving sound Spiritual teachings. Also note that Christianity does not invalid the good part of the African tradition. Christainity only invalidate the idolatry part of our tradition. Believe me, African tradition is still better than the White man tradition.

Any Church that tells you that Generational curses and parental curses does not exist is either deceiving you or does not understand basic spiritual principles.

MikeofAfrica:



My brother, I returned from work unhappy today but after reading what you wrote, I found myself laughing.

You mean if a doctor carry out a DNA test on you today, your blood will no longer match the blood of your parents and siblings that are unbelievers because your blood has turn to the blood of Jesus when you became a born- again Christian?

This is the kind of nonsense that our Pastors are teaching and preaching in our churches. What a pity!

My brother, do you know that Parental curse is even more powerful than generational curses. You can break generational curse by praying yourself but only your parents can break a parental curse that they place on you.

Hence if a born- again Christian refuses to take care of his aged parents that are unbelievers and any of them opened his/ her mouth and curse the born-again Christian, the curse will be valid both in heaven and on Earth.

If the born- again Christian fails to go down on his knee and begged his parents for forgiveness and persuade them to reverse the curse, he/ she will suffer the manifestation of the curse for the rest of his/ her life.

Even if the born- again Christian has the blood of Jesus flowing from his head to his toe, it will not terminate that curse.
Parental curses can only be broken by our parents because they are the one that pronounce the curse and they are our angels on earth. They will need to reverse the curse and pronounce blessings on us before such curse will be broken.

Apostle Paul understand this mystery. That is the reason he advice us to honour our parents so that we will live long on Earth( Ephesians 6:2-3).

This means that any born-again Christian who out of spiritual arrogance neglects his/ her aged parents that are unbeliever will likely not live long on Earth because any Curse from the parents will be stamped by God.

You also need to understand that parental curse can only affect a person when he/ she is guity of an offence while generational curse can only affect a person when his/ her ancestors are guity of an offence.

Hence if a person did not offence his parent and they cursed him out of ignorance, such curse will be invalid.

You need to change your Church because you are not receiving sound Spiritual teachings. Also note that Christianity does not invalid the good part of the African tradition. Christainity only invalidate the idolatry part of our tradition. Believe me, African tradition is still better than the White man tradition.

Any Church that tells you that Generational curses and parental curses does not exist is either deceiving you or does not understand basic spiritual principles.

Lolz, I don't need to change my church, the things I do I know for sure you don't do them, you can't even dare. I started confronting and challenging herbalists, occult, witches and powers of darkness since my elementary school days before I even got to know the Gospel really, I've been to places, destroyed shrines and nothing has happened to me till date. My Gospel isn't in words but in demonstration of God's power. I normally don't engage people but I saw that the level of your ignorance is high and I remembered that I used to be like you hence why I engaged you. I need not list few of the unbelievable miracles that the Gospel of Jesus Christ in my mouth has wrought. Witches openly and secretly surrender. In the whole of my family, as rich as they were, no one ever went to University until I showed up, that nonsense curse couldn't affect me cos he that is from above is above all. Bro, I listen to the Holy Spirit, study the scripture and ask the Holy to open your eyes. I doubt that you have a living fellowship with the Holy Spirit cos these things you write here, I doubt Holy Spirit would permit you write them. Head/sense knowledge is nothing compared to experiential knowledge. Our maid confessed that she poisoned our food daily for more than 10 years she stayed with us, nothing happened to us till date. You don't know scripture bro, you know nothing about the finished works of Christ. You only have head knowledge, you are using sense to link scriptures and using sense to interpret scriptures. None of the Pastors teaching you SPIRITUAL nonsense would survive being poisoned a day let alone a week.

Some of us have experienced God for real, we have witnessed him, he's real to us than what we read in the Bible. We fellowship with him and he delights in us. We bring Kingdoms of this world to him, we subdue Thrones for him. A Christian that still fast and pray because of witches, nonsense and powerless Christian. A Christian that says Parents are our Angels on earth is an olodo Christian. If my parent is an unbeliever, I rank higher before God as a believer than them, how then can I be cursed by someone lesser than me even in the realm of the Spirit? And if my parents are believers, I still can't be cursed because I'm forever blessed, abiding under the shadow of the Almighty. We don't curse, we bless. Show me a believer who got cursed in the New Testament. See, stop forming doctrine that have no scriptural backing and stop quoting scriptures out of context just to prove your point.

Honour your father and mother isn't Apostle Paul's quote but the fifth of the tenth commandment of Moses. Apostle Paul only lifted it from the pages of the old testament. And by the way, when a parent curses you, what part of you is cursed? The Spirit, soul or the body? Please, be open minded and open yourself up to knowledge. No parental curse can work against me, never. You no little or nothing about SPIRITUAL STUFFS.

My final piece.

MikeofAfrica:



My brother, I returned from work unhappy today but after reading what you wrote, I found myself laughing.

You mean if a doctor carry out a DNA test on you today, your blood will no longer match the blood of your parents and siblings that are unbelievers because your blood has turn to the blood of Jesus when you became a born- again Christian?

This is the kind of nonsense that our Pastors are teaching and preaching in our churches. What a pity!

My brother, do you know that Parental curse is even more powerful than generational curses. You can break generational curse by praying yourself but only your parents can break a parental curse that they place on you.

Hence if a born- again Christian refuses to take care of his aged parents that are unbelievers and any of them opened his/ her mouth and curse the born-again Christian, the curse will be valid both in heaven and on Earth.

If the born- again Christian fails to go down on his knee and begged his parents for forgiveness and persuade them to reverse the curse, he/ she will suffer the manifestation of the curse for the rest of his/ her life.

Even if the born- again Christian has the blood of Jesus flowing from his head to his toe, it will not terminate that curse.
Parental curses can only be broken by our parents because they are the one that pronounce the curse and they are our angels on earth. They will need to reverse the curse and pronounce blessings on us before such curse will be broken.

Apostle Paul understand this mystery. That is the reason he advice us to honour our parents so that we will live long on Earth( Ephesians 6:2-3).

This means that any born-again Christian who out of spiritual arrogance neglects his/ her aged parents that are unbeliever will likely not live long on Earth because any Curse from the parents will be stamped by God.

You also need to understand that parental curse can only affect a person when he/ she is guity of an offence while generational curse can only affect a person when his/ her ancestors are guity of an offence.

Hence if a person did not offence his parent and they cursed him out of ignorance, such curse will be invalid.

You need to change your Church because you are not receiving sound Spiritual teachings. Also note that Christianity does not invalid the good part of the African tradition. Christainity only invalidate the idolatry part of our tradition. Believe me, African tradition is still better than the White man tradition.

Any Church that tells you that Generational curses and parental curses does not exist is either deceiving you or does not understand basic spiritual principles.

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Any man, church or whatever that says parental Generational land or continental curses exist is a SCAMMER a very wicked native doctor

vicardino:


Lolz, I don't need to change my church, the things I do I know for sure you don't do them, you can't even dare. I started confronting and challenging herbalists, occult, witches and powers of darkness since my elementary school days before I even got to know the Gospel really, I've been to places, destroyed shrines and nothing has happened to me till date. My Gospel isn't in words but in demonstration of God's power. I normally don't engage people but I saw that the level of your ignorance is high and I remembered that I used to be like you hence why I engaged you. I need not list few of the unbelievable miracles that the Gospel of Jesus Christ in my mouth has wrought. Witches openly and secretly surrender. In the whole of my family, as rich as they were, no one ever went to University until I showed up, that nonsense curse couldn't affect me cos he that is from above is above all. Bro, I listen to the Holy Spirit, study the scripture and ask the Holy to open your eyes. I doubt that you have a living fellowship with the Holy Spirit cos these things you write here, I doubt Holy Spirit would permit you write them. Head/sense knowledge is nothing compared to experiential knowledge. Our maid confessed that she poisoned our food daily for more than 10 years she stayed with us, nothing happened to us till date. You don't know scripture bro, you know nothing about the finished works of Christ. You only have head knowledge, you are using sense to link scriptures and using sense to interpret scriptures. None of the Pastors teaching you SPIRITUAL nonsense would survive being poisoned a day let alone a week.

Some of us have experienced God for real, we have witnessed him, he's real to us than what we read in the Bible. We fellowship with him and he delights in us. We bring Kingdoms of this world to him, we subdue Thrones for him. A Christian that still fast and pray because of witches, nonsense and powerless Christian. A Christian that says Parents are our Angels on earth is an olodo Christian. If my parent is an unbeliever, I rank higher before God as a believer than them, how then can I be cursed by someone lesser than me even in the realm of the Spirit? And if my parents are believers, I still can't be cursed because I'm forever blessed, abiding under the shadow of the Almighty. We don't curse, we bless. Show me a believer who got cursed in the New Testament. See, stop forming doctrine that have no scriptural backing and stop quoting scriptures out of context just to prove your point.

Honour your father and mother isn't Apostle Paul's quote but the fifth of the tenth commandment of Moses. Apostle Paul only lifted it from the pages of the old testament. And by the way, when a parent curses you, what part of you is cursed? The Spirit, soul or the body? Please, be open minded and open yourself up to knowledge. No parental curse can work against me, never. You no little or nothing about SPIRITUAL STUFFS.

My final piece.

One of the problems we have in the Christiandom across the World is the presence of extravagant Pastors that preaches extravagant messages.

During the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic, one of the extravagant Pastors in Nigeria told the World that there is nothing like COVID-19 pandemic hence the deaths across the world was as a result of installment of 5G technology.

From what you wrote, it seems you are either attending this Pastor's church or a Church with a similar ideology.

We thank God for what He has been using you to do. You don't need to boast about them because it is not by your power or might but by his Grace.

I am a very young man. You might even be older than me but God has given me the grace to understand many Spiritual matters.

Let me explain a Bible passage that extravagant pastors uses in brainwashing their members.

2 Corinthians 5:17 says that if any man be in Christ he is a new creature, Old things has pass away and everything has become new.

The old things that passes away are the adamic characters of such person such as envy, fornication, drunkeness, jelousy etc. Hence the person begins to display new characters like Gentleness, Love, Self-control.

The Bible classifies these new characters as the fruits of the Spirit. They are the fruits that will germinate in the life of a believer when He gives his life to Christ and receives the Holy Spirit.

However if a man is poor. After giving his life to Christ, he will remain poor unless he works hard. If a man inherit a loan from his parents, the loan will remain intact after he gives his life to Christ.

If a man inherits diabetes from his parents, the ailment will remain intact after he gives his life to Christ. Similarly, if a man inherits a Generational Curse from his parents, the curse will remain intact after he gives his life to Christ.

What then is the Way out.

In Luke 10:19, Jesus Christ confided in us that He has given us authority over the powers of the enemy. Hence we can trample on Serpents and Scorpions and they will not hurt us.

Please note that Jesus Christ did not say that He has or will trample on Serpents and Scorpions on our behalf. He said that He has given us power to do it by ourselves.

" Serpents" and " Scorpions " as used in the passage refers to all kinds of spiritual problems confronting Christians. These problems are sponsored by the devil and his demons. These include diseases, poverty, Generational curses etc.

When a generational curse is pronounced, the devil and his demons will use it as a legal ground to torment the receivers of that curse.

Jesus expects us to use the power that He gave us to deal with these problems. That power is deposited in His blood that He she'd for us at the cross of calvary. Hence it is the responsible of every Christian to tap this power through prayer and use it to destroy every diseases in his/ her body.

It is the responsibility of every Christian to use this power and break every generational curses hindering their progress on Earth.

Jesus Christ paid the price for our victory and freedom on the Cross. However He will not breastfeed us. He will not put the victory into our mouth. We have to show him that we deserve what He did for us by subduing the devil with prayers.

Jesus Christ is like a man who gave undergraudate scholarship to all the Secondary school students in his community. Hence for a student to enjoy the scholarship, he/ she has to pass his/ her SSCE and JAMB. If a student fails to pass both exams, he/ she will not enjoy the scholarship.

Similarly, for a Christian to enjoy the victory given to us by Jesus, he/ she has to use the power in the name of Jesus and trample on the Devil and the problems of life. If the Christian fail to trample on the Devil through prayer, the devil will deny him/ her the privilege of enjoying the victory of Jesus Christ.

MikeofAfrica:


One of the problems we have in the Christiandom across the World is the presence of extravagant Pastors that preaches extravagant messages.

During the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic, one of the extravagant Pastors in Nigeria told the World that there is nothing like COVID-19 pandemic hence the deaths across the world was as a result of installment of 5G technology.

From what you wrote, it seems you are either attending this Pastor's church or a Church with a similar ideology.

We thank God for what He has been using you to do. You don't need to boast about them because it is not by your power or might but by his Grace.

I am a very young man. You might even be older than me but God has given me the grace to understand many Spiritual matters.

Let me explain a Bible passage that extravagant pastors uses in brainwashing their members.

2 Corinthians 5:17 says that if any man be in Christ he is a new creature, Old things has pass away and everything has become new.

The old things that passes away are the adamic characters of such person such as envy, fornication, drunkeness, jelousy etc. Hence the person begins to display new characters like Gentleness, Love, Self-control.

The Bible classifies these new characters as the fruits of the Spirit. They are the fruits that will germinate in the life of a believer when He gives his life to Christ and receives the Holy Spirit.

However if a man is poor. After giving his life to Christ, he will remain poor unless he works hard. If a man inherit a loan from his parents, the loan will remain intact after he gives his life to Christ.

If a man inherits diabetes from his parents, the ailment will remain intact after he gives his life to Christ. Similarly, if a man inherits a Generational Curse from his parents, the curse will remain intact after he gives his life to Christ.

What then is the Way out.

In Luke 10:19, Jesus Christ confided in us that He has given us authority over the powers of the enemy. Hence we can trample on Serpents and Scorpions and they will not hurt us.

Please note that Jesus Christ did not say that He has or will trample on Serpents and Scorpions on our behalf. He said that He has given us power to do it by ourselves.

" Serpents" and " Scorpions " as used in the passage refers to all kinds of spiritual problems confronting Christians. These problems are sponsored by the devil and his demons. These include diseases, poverty, Generational curses etc.

When a generational curse is pronounced, the devil and his demons will use it as a legal ground to torment the receivers of that curse.

Jesus expects us to use the power that He gave us to deal with these problems. That power is deposited in His blood that He she'd for us at the cross of calvary. Hence it is the responsible of every Christian to tap this power through prayer and use it to destroy every diseases in his/ her body.

It is the responsibility of every Christian to use this power and break every generational curses hindering their progress on Earth.

Jesus Christ paid the price for our victory and freedom on the Cross. However He will not breastfeed us. He will not put the victory into our mouth. We have to show him that we deserve what He did for us by subduing the devil with prayers.

Jesus Christ is like a man who gave undergraudate scholarship to all the Secondary school students in his community. Hence for a student to enjoy the scholarship, he/ she has to pass his/ her SSCE and JAMB. If a student fails to pass both exams, he/ she will not enjoy the scholarship.

Similarly, for a Christian to enjoy the victory given to us by Jesus, he/ she has to use the power in the name of Jesus and trample on the Devil and the problems of life. If the Christian fail to trample on the Devil through prayer, the devil will deny him/ her the privilege of enjoying the victory of Jesus Christ.

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.just imagine the person calling others spiritual kids see the gibberish you are writtung but your mouth runs faster than your baby spiritual brain
It seems you are from white garment background or those traditional prayer houses that are camouflaging under christianity
Your common sense level is bad and your spiritual maturity very traditional and culturally oriented not Biblical oriented

Study the bible read wide and get exposure it will do you plenty of good

MikeofAfrica:


One of the problems we have in the Christiandom across the World is the presence of extravagant Pastors that preaches extravagant messages.

During the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic, one of the extravagant Pastors in Nigeria told the World that there is nothing like COVID-19 pandemic hence the deaths across the world was as a result of installment of 5G technology.

From what you wrote, it seems you are either attending this Pastor's church or a Church with a similar ideology.

We thank God for what He has been using you to do. You don't need to boast about them because it is not by your power or might but by his Grace.

I am a very young man. You might even be older than me but God has given me the grace to understand many Spiritual matters.

Let me explain a Bible passage that extravagant pastors uses in brainwashing their members.

2 Corinthians 5:17 says that if any man be in Christ he is a new creature, Old things has pass away and everything has become new.

The old things that passes away are the adamic characters of such person such as envy, fornication, drunkeness, jelousy etc. Hence the person begins to display new characters like Gentleness, Love, Self-control.

The Bible classifies these new characters as the fruits of the Spirit. They are the fruits that will germinate in the life of a believer when He gives his life to Christ and receives the Holy Spirit.

However if a man is poor. After giving his life to Christ, he will remain poor unless he works hard. If a man inherit a loan from his parents, the loan will remain intact after he gives his life to Christ.

If a man inherits diabetes from his parents, the ailment will remain intact after he gives his life to Christ. Similarly, if a man inherits a Generational Curse from his parents, the curse will remain intact after he gives his life to Christ.

What then is the Way out.

In Luke 10:19, Jesus Christ confided in us that He has given us authority over the powers of the enemy. Hence we can trample on Serpents and Scorpions and they will not hurt us.

Please note that Jesus Christ did not say that He has or will trample on Serpents and Scorpions on our behalf. He said that He has given us power to do it by ourselves.

" Serpents" and " Scorpions " as used in the passage refers to all kinds of spiritual problems confronting Christians. These problems are sponsored by the devil and his demons. These include diseases, poverty, Generational curses etc.

When a generational curse is pronounced, the devil and his demons will use it as a legal ground to torment the receivers of that curse.

Jesus expects us to use the power that He gave us to deal with these problems. That power is deposited in His blood that He she'd for us at the cross of calvary. Hence it is the responsible of every Christian to tap this power through prayer and use it to destroy every diseases in his/ her body.

It is the responsibility of every Christian to use this power and break every generational curses hindering their progress on Earth.

Jesus Christ paid the price for our victory and freedom on the Cross. However He will not breastfeed us. He will not put the victory into our mouth. We have to show him that we deserve what He did for us by subduing the devil with prayers.

Jesus Christ is like a man who gave undergraudate scholarship to all the Secondary school students in his community. Hence for a student to enjoy the scholarship, he/ she has to pass his/ her SSCE and JAMB. If a student fails to pass both exams, he/ she will not enjoy the scholarship.

Similarly, for a Christian to enjoy the victory given to us by Jesus, he/ she has to use the power in the name of Jesus and trample on the Devil and the problems of life. If the Christian fail to trample on the Devil through prayer, the devil will deny him/ her the privilege of enjoying the victory of Jesus Christ.

You know nothing about SPIRITUAL matter and your lack of understanding that there are different types of man on earth. The created man and the begotten. The created has and exhibits Adamic Nature but the begotten exhibits the nature of him who's begotten him which is God. Every believer is a begotten man, not of the will of man but of the word and the Spirit. Just this morning, a sister who's foetus/baby was declared dead and about to be evacuated reached out to me, I hadn't even prayed for her, I only told her that she's a life giving Spirit and nothing is permitted to die around her until she allows it. I shared the truth of her reality and identity in Christ with her and suddenly the dead baby came back to life. That's the Christianity I practice, that's the power at work in me. I bet you'd have told her to start fasting and praying or better still console her with God giveth and he taketh if she reached out to you.

When covid 19 broke out, I boldly claimed that no Christian should die of covid 19, have you taken your time to study how the Apostles died? Which one of them died of sickness? Cancer? A Christian with no understanding or knowledge can of course die of cancer and sickness. I have witnessed fibroid being coughed out, I still have pictures if you care to see, someone's cancer still disappeared yesterday. A Christian with no understanding of who he is in Christ can die of these sicknesses but a Christian who knows who he is and live in the reality of it can never be infected with disease of this world. Even in the old testament, deuteronomy 7:15, Exodus 15 : 26, tells you clearly how people get afflicted and that God's people are shielded from it. Psalm 3 : 3 says But thou O God art a SHIELD for me, you know what a shield means? Please go read about shield. David who wrote this didn't have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit o, yet God was his shield, he fought battles all his life, went to wars all his life yet never for once was he killed or injured. You can be a Christian and believe whatever you want to believe, your result tells what kinda Christian you are. I produce result on daily basis just as Christ did, just as the Apostles did which made the book of Acts of the Apostles to be written. What result are you producing daily? When people come to you, do they go rejoicing as everyone who met Christ did? Do they get their problems solved? If not, you ain't a genuine Christian.

I've asked you what part of man is cursed when a parent curses but you haven't answered. Lemme tell you this, the totality of Man changes once he gives his life to Christ. Man is a tripartite being, man is a spirit, has a soul and lives in a body. With his spirit, he can do business in the realm of the spirit(his natural habitat), with the soul, he translates messages/impulses from the spirit realm and with the body, he does business in the physical realm.

When a man becomes born again, his spirit is changed immediately, the nature of Christ is given to him, albeit, his soul remains unchanged and his body remains unchanged. The instrument that changes the soul, beliefs system, thought pattern and process, actions and reactions of man is the word of God. Romans 12 says be not conformed to this world (thinking pattern, beliefs system and all) but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. How do do renew your mind? By reading the Scripture, examining the lifestyle of Jesus who's our first born, the Apostles and other Characters in the scripture. That's for soul.

The body is to be changed at the appearance of Jesus Christ in his second coming. For we do not know what we shall be like but when he appears, we shall be like him, I'm sure you must have come across this scripture and that [b]the corruptible shall take on the incorruptible, the mortal taking on the immortal and it shall be said that death is swallowed up in Victory[\b]

All the makes up of a begotten man changes. If a man who was poor, was in poverty gives his life to Christ and he subjects his mind to renewal by the word of God, his thought process/pattern will change and by the leading of the Spirit he will know the purpose of God for his life and the plan of God for him. Once he starts fulfilling purpose, how can he remain poor? Once he understands God's design for his life, the provisions made available to him and he engages it, how can he remain poor? Poverty is not even a nature or because of curse, it's a problem of the mind. Bro, you need to know Gospel.

I'm not a member of the church of the Pastor you referred to as extravagant, I'm a member of the body of Christ. If you haven't done one tenth of what this Pastor has done in the body of Christ, if you have no result to show for your SPIRITUAL NONSENSE, I think it's wise not to talk down on the man who's consistently producing the Jesus kinda results. You have no right to talk down on a man whose results are there for the world to see. How many dead have you raised? How many people have you brought out of Poverty with your Gospel? How many sick have you healed with your Gospel? Jesus did all these things and these are the least expected of we, his body to do. If you are not doing these, you simply do not have the right to talk down on those doing it. Your type makes Christianity a joke to people.

1 cor 11 : 29 & 30. Read and meditate on it please.

Kobojunkie:
What has Adam and Eve to do with what is written in the Old Law of Moses aka the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan given by God to the Children of Israel, those who are of the blood of Jacob - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - , a law which you quoted from?

Zacchaeus is of the blood of Jacob and he also lived in the land of Canaan at the time and was an Israelite so clearly that Law bound his existence as a result. My guess is you are not an Israelite and you don't live in the land of Canaan with descendants of Jacob, and so are you of those that agreement belongs to. So why quote from a Law that binds only those who God specifically gave that agreement to as if to suggest God made a mistake?

Stick with what you belief, I don't argue with God's word.