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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 8:59pm On Dec 17, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


The point is development. The point is about team growth. A team that can keep the ball well will have to develop the next step, converting their possession to chances.

Now in our case, we can't even keep the ball, let alone have purpose with it.

So, we need to work on fixing our poor ball keeping by working towards the right composition of players.
I wholeheartedly agree

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 9:02pm On Dec 17, 2022
komekn:


Nigeria has remembered him that song, "Know me when I'm poor , not when I'm rich" comes to mind.

After inviting Eberechi Eze to the SE March 2017 we forgot he existed, there was a chance to invite him to several friendlies including the inconsequential Athletico Madrid game but we didn't.

Now he has blown , we have finally remembered him. Actually Rohr was very keen to invite him but was not able to.
Oga calm down. Allow him see shirt first before you start blowing your trumpet.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Philosopher1979: 9:03pm On Dec 17, 2022
TheSuperNerd:
Like the Midfield, like the Defence.



The above scenario also applies to the Defense. Not just the midfield.

If a few good legs outside the top leagues can still help fix our Defensive issues and also raise the passing quality of our buildup plays from the back, then we should not ignore them all because their club names don't sound sweet to the tongue.



From my observation olisah ndah is very good at keeping the ball, distributing it, passing etc. I was shocked when I saw him play at afcon. He is very intelligent and technical and might even be able to play in midfield.
But he plays in South Africa and people will not see past that.
He will prove our passing if given a chance.
I think poseiro has plans for him and he was called up against Portugal but had a slight injury
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 9:05pm On Dec 17, 2022
TheSuperNerd:


Ofcoz little attention-seeking nobodies like you call that dissection. Did you even bother looking thoroughly at my first response? Ofcoz you didn't. You are only concerned with anyone who just has an opposing view to Nerdie coz you hate Nerdie.

My first response still stands. No need to repeat myself as he practically said nothing substantial.

Your guy just dropped a bunch of irrelevant epistles... so there was no need replying such nonsense but just pick one of the many misinformations he dropped.



You guys won't know anything but will stubbornly persist with misinformation hidden in long irrelevant talks and call it "Dissection". Loolll...


By the way, Why are you so Obsessed With quoting me even when it got nothing to do with you? You always do it, you certified perv.

Always the "cock-fluffer" running in to get a piece of an action that doesn't need it. Lol

Get a life, Mr. Nothing. wink

Quoting me in here to spill nonsense everytime shouldn't be your life purpose.
Ranting as usual. Empty vessel grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:05pm On Dec 17, 2022
Naaah, You should know this thread by now... Why should Nerdie be credited with that stance again?

As long as it is Nerdie saying it.... they will oppose it especially when it is true.

Obsessed lots. grin


elyte89:


U shld knw Charles by now,once u re not playing in d top 6 elite European leagues...if u like score 1000goals,u no sabi be dt

And dt has been nerdie and philosophy preaching here dt we shld start looking beyond where dis guys play alone but also look at what u will bring differently to d team irrespective of where u play

But baba charles no go gree, I heard Croatia keeper sef ,plays in deir local league and look at aw good he’s in dis tournament

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:08pm On Dec 17, 2022
mostob:
Ranting as usual. Empty vessel grin

The Empty is you, Mr Perv. Always has been You. Rest good with that knowledge.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:10pm On Dec 17, 2022
Goal Alert: Victor Osimhen

Napoli and Villarreal currently playing 1-1.

Osimhen scored a belter! From inside the box. 2 mins after Villarreal went 1-0 up.

Chukwueze starts from the bench.


Check Osimhen's Goal here:
https://www.sportface.it/calcio/napoli-villarreal-gran-gol-di-osimhen-nel-corso-del-primo-tempo-video/1996873

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 9:15pm On Dec 17, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


That is why it boils down to comprehensive scouting. We need to develop a thorough way to search and pick players with the right attributes.

We also need to take our age grade programs more seriously. Stop cutting corners.

Good Footballers are not only in the quality leagues in Europe.

We need to appreciate Keshi's mindset, where the likes of Oboabona and a young Omeruo helped us clinch the AFCON.

We need to remember how Keshi scouted Aaron Samuel from China.

However, it has to do with the scouting team having the eye to site gems. Just like Westerhof saw Amokachi playing for Ranchers Bees as a 16 years old and new he found a quality talent.

How Babawo Mohammed saw Mikel playing on the street and took him to Kashimawo Laloko and Laloko called Mikel (a teenager in secondary school) the best player in the country.

We need to scout comprehensively and not wait for players to breakthrough in clubs in Europe.

There are always exceptions to the rule, such as JJay , Mikel Obi. But they are not the rule but exception.

Morocco succeeded beyond all expectations because they welcomed in players of Moroccon heritage from across Europe.

They gave them a sense of belonging they didn't ask them for Bribe and inducement. Mbappe tried to play for Cameroon but they wanted inducement. That disappointed experience turned out to be a huge blessing in disguise.

If you go right back maybe 4/5 seasons ago ,l talked about my friend Michael Beale, he was the u12 development lead at Liverpool FC academy. He was formerly the assistant manager at Sao Paulo Brazil. Before he took up that position.

Why would a club invest so much resources in youth football. Without development talent will come to NOTHING.

After the age of 13 it becomes very difficult to teach and ingrain naturally technical skills, First touch, key movements, anticipation, dribbling, passing range, etc, etc

If you think that what happened in the past in Nigeria you can replicate it for competitive advantage now. Then you are out of touch with reality.

If I took you to see some of the current U12/13 players in Chelsea, you go open mouth . Without that level of good quality coaching your talent will not develop.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 9:17pm On Dec 17, 2022
Blueelf:


I even think Ekong's time in the national team has come to an end

I really don't see what he offers us that other players don't

Do you truly think Awaziem is better than Ekong ❓
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 9:21pm On Dec 17, 2022
Danielnino00:


Awazeim has been far better than Akpos in the GWG, truth be told...
In fact, Awazeim has mostly been decent in the GWG.. Seems like playing in Croatia is the problem you have with him...

No he has not, he plays as makeshift wing back with no pace.

Every league he has played in he has been essentially basic to below average then you want to convince me that he gets to national team and then he becomes Van Dyke.

There is a reason he is playing in the lowly Croatia league he is simply not good enough for a better league.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 9:24pm On Dec 17, 2022
Osayi has been playing in the retirement league after turning down options in the EPL.

Now he is generating interest among EPL clubs why because he is outstanding.

For those other players who have become permanent residents in the Turkish league it's pretty obvious they are not good quality.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:05pm On Dec 17, 2022
komekn:


There are always exceptions to the rule, such as JJay , Mikel Obi. But they are not the rule but exception.

Morocco succeeded beyond all expectations because they welcomed in players of Moroccon heritage from across Europe.

They gave them a sense of belonging they didn't ask them for Bribe and inducement. Mbappe tried to play for Cameroon but they wanted inducement. That disappointed experience turned out to be a huge blessing in disguise.

If you go right back maybe 4/5 seasons ago ,l talked about my friend Michael Beale, he was the u12 development lead at Liverpool FC academy. He was formerly the assistant manager at Sao Paulo Brazil. Before he took up that position.

Why would a club invest so much resources in youth football. Without development talent will come to NOTHING.

After the age of 13 it becomes very difficult to teach and ingrain naturally technical skills, First touch, key movements, anticipation, dribbling, passing range, etc, etc

If you think that what happened in the past in Nigeria you can replicate it for competitive advantage now. Then you are out of touch with reality.

If I took you to see some of the current U12/13 players in Chelsea, you go open mouth . Without that level of good quality coaching your talent will not develop.

We come from different spheres of life and must have different views. Your own area is known because of so much media coverage.

However, in Nigeria, we do not have the facilities like the Europeans but for instance, in the U17, we have done better than lots of Europwa teams with far better development facilities.

I am not saying the facilities are not important. What I am saying is that despite the lack, we need to find away to measure up.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:09pm On Dec 17, 2022
komekn:


There are always exceptions to the rule, such as JJay , Mikel Obi. But they are not the rule but exception.

Morocco succeeded beyond all expectations because they welcomed in players of Moroccon heritage from across Europe.

They gave them a sense of belonging they didn't ask them for Bribe and inducement. Mbappe tried to play for Cameroon but they wanted inducement. That disappointed experience turned out to be a huge blessing in disguise.

If you go right back maybe 4/5 seasons ago ,l talked about my friend Michael Beale, he was the u12 development lead at Liverpool FC academy. He was formerly the assistant manager at Sao Paulo Brazil. Before he took up that position.

Why would a club invest so much resources in youth football. Without development talent will come to NOTHING.

After the age of 13 it becomes very difficult to teach and ingrain naturally technical skills, First touch, key movements, anticipation, dribbling, passing range, etc, etc

If you think that what happened in the past in Nigeria you can replicate it for competitive advantage now. Then you are out of touch with reality.

If I took you to see some of the current U12/13 players in Chelsea, you go open mouth . Without that level of good quality coaching your talent will not develop.

I visited an academy in D-Line Port Harcourt, at Igbokwu Street. The coach was with some kids and said something to the kids that touched me.

Oyinbo children have everything. They have eaten well. They go to good schools. They are not lacking. They have full kits and facility. They are ahead of you. The only thing you have is training. Do not play with it. Take it seriously and it can change your lives.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:13pm On Dec 17, 2022
komekn:


There are always exceptions to the rule, such as JJay , Mikel Obi. But they are not the rule but exception.

Morocco succeeded beyond all expectations because they welcomed in players of Moroccon heritage from across Europe.

They gave them a sense of belonging they didn't ask them for Bribe and inducement. Mbappe tried to play for Cameroon but they wanted inducement. That disappointed experience turned out to be a huge blessing in disguise.

If you go right back maybe 4/5 seasons ago ,l talked about my friend Michael Beale, he was the u12 development lead at Liverpool FC academy. He was formerly the assistant manager at Sao Paulo Brazil. Before he took up that position.

Why would a club invest so much resources in youth football. Without development talent will come to NOTHING.

After the age of 13 it becomes very difficult to teach and ingrain naturally technical skills, First touch, key movements, anticipation, dribbling, passing range, etc, etc

If you think that what happened in the past in Nigeria you can replicate it for competitive advantage now. Then you are out of touch with reality.

If I took you to see some of the current U12/13 players in Chelsea, you go open mouth . Without that level of good quality coaching your talent will not develop.

The reason why Babawo Mohammed and Kashimawo Laloko found Mikel, is because they were willing to look.

The reason why Westerhof found Amokachi was because he searched.

The reason why Sinclair found the likes of Peter Rufai, Taribo West, Finidi George, Emmanuel Ebiede, Richard Owobokiri and a host of others was because he was willing to find them.

We can not start looking for millions of dollars to develop talents. We need to find the special ones available and give them a platform to develop.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 10:16pm On Dec 17, 2022
Southgate stayed the job cos the players supported him and wanted him staying, else he'd have resigned. The fans almost forced his hand.


Can't remember the last time the GWG players voiced support for the stay of their manager.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 10:16pm On Dec 17, 2022
Blueelf:


Lolll

We both know that even if they make it 64 teams, Eyimba and co with their corruption ridden league and poor tactical play won't make it


Too harsh na. Lol
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 10:16pm On Dec 17, 2022
charlesemeka85:
baba forget nacho abeg
Peak Milk; It's still in him! cheesy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 10:26pm On Dec 17, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


That is why it boils down to comprehensive scouting. We need to develop a thorough way to search and pick players with the right attributes.

We also need to take our age grade programs more seriously. Stop cutting corners.

Good Footballers are not only in the quality leagues in Europe.

We need to appreciate Keshi's mindset, where the likes of Oboabona and a young Omeruo helped us clinch the AFCON.

We need to remember how Keshi scouted Aaron Samuel from China.

However, it has to do with the scouting team having the eye to site gems. Just like Westerhof saw Amokachi playing for Ranchers Bees as a 16 years old and new he found a quality talent.

How Babawo Mohammed saw Mikel playing on the street and took him to Kashimawo Laloko and Laloko called Mikel (a teenager in secondary school) the best player in the country.

We need to scout comprehensively and not wait for players to breakthrough in clubs in Europe.
We have scouted comprehensively and continue to do so. Our under 17 and 20 are current WAFU Champions. The two teams that will play in the final tomorrow took players playing in the top leagues. Tomorrow the best player won't be someone playing in division 2 or non league football somewhere. It would be someone playing in Laliga or the French league. Chukweze, Oshimen, Simon, Onachu, Onyedika, Onyeka, Sanusi, Awoniyi, Dennis, Moffi, Iheanacho, Success. and many more were scouted too. So I don't understand your point?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 10:37pm On Dec 17, 2022
Marjoribanks:
We have scouted comprehensively and continue to do so. Our under 17 and 20 are current WAFU Champions. The two teams that will play in the final tomorrow took players playing in the top leagues. Tomorrow the best player won't be someone playing in division 2 or non league football somewhere. It would be someone playing in Laliga or the French league. Chukweze, Oshimen, Simon, Onachu, Onyedika, Onyeka, Sanusi, Awoniyi, Dennis, Moffi, Iheanacho, Success. and many more were scouted too. So I don't understand your point?
Of course, Nwakali is needed!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 10:40pm On Dec 17, 2022
Thank you for making this simple. I want everyone here to pay close attention. The snippet you posted tells us that Garrincha was dropped and Pele brought back in. Facts. Obviously, Garrincha played the second game, so that word would be suitable. But they didn't mention why it was done. This is not unusual. You don't always capture every detail in an article. Articles are usually written with a theme in mind. The reader also selects articles based on what he's looking for.

I actually mentioned in my previous post that Garrincha was injured even before the tournament. It's in his biography, but you elected to ignore it or you didn't just know. I go for the latter. cheesy grin. And it's ok.
Remember also Garrincha was 33 and Pele 26. Even today a 33-year-old is all but spent, not to talk of a 33-year-old player injured player in 1966. That would be a pensioner volunteering. 4 years prior when Garrincha was still at his peak everybody interested saw what he could do. Of course, a 26-year-old injured great would be preferred over a 33-year-old injured great 8 out of 10 times today not to talk of 1966, especially if their roles overlap. You don't need any special coaching skills to make that decision.

Pele was part of their Success in 1962, yes. But how much? Not statistically significant. Sorry. He played the first game and scored. He got injured in the second, which ended 0-0.

In 1958, Pele was very impressive no doubt. but he was only a major part. 2 or more people can be joint major shareholders in a company. One person doesn't have to tower over everybody else.

Meanwhile, I also posed a challenge. Please provide the information that you have that isn't on the internet and evidence for it. As a senior researcher, you would agree with me that these kinds of conversations are usually more fruitful when they are fact-based. cheesy grin.

My point is there's no information you can provide that isn't on the internet. There are loads of articles on those Brazilian sides. And it's very likely no one has read them all. It's ok. Everyone can learn from anyone, even those some would classify as 'dumb'.

Even with the same facts, experts may disagree on what it means. It's ok. More like we agree to disagree.

By the way, I don't understand why you constantly resort to jabs and insults. Nobody really knows anybody here.
Just enjoy yourself.

The link and first snippet tell us why he was dropped. You are welcome. cheesy grin.
https://www.unusualefforts.com/portugal-brazil-1966/

TheSuperNerd:




Just too much talk. No substance. Just deliberately moving away from the central focus to things not relevant to the discourse. Just trying so hard.
In the end, you got more information from me than you could handle.

How did you misinform anyone? Here's one example....

Your claiming Garrincha missed the last game due to Injury when he was actually dropped for still injured Pele in 1966 in the last group game.

The FIFA article below laughs at you

That is just how Special Pele is. A 25% fit Pele was still far more dangerous than any other Brazillian in sight.

Pele was major key to their 1958 and 1970 WC triumphs. Facts. He was part of their success in 1962 but Garrincha was the main man in Pele's injury induced absence. Also facts. Two facts can co-exist but you won't know that ofcos.

Just all talk, no direction. Lol

Again, you are welcome. wink No one is entitled to Ignorance. grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 10:42pm On Dec 17, 2022
Meliforme:


When it comes to managing oneself in and out of tight spaces, Chidera Ejuke, is the best i have seen in the entire crop of S.E players. The ability to handle oneself in tight spaces without losing the ball and good ball passing skills is vital to keeping a team's ball possession.

No S.E forward is better than Ejuke in terms of passing skills. Imagine that Aribo and Ndidi that are used as midfielders don't possess Ejuke's passing skills. I have seen Ejuke handle himself out of tight spaces and then switch the current play with a long ball.

In the last AFCON, Ejuke started only one game and was not in the match day squad for our last game against Tunisia.
Something is definitely wrong somewhere

Ejuke can switch play with long balls? You must be related to him. The boy got his chance at AFCON and misused it. The only game he started he was the worst player on the field. He played against CAR and Cape Verde away what special stuffs did he offer? You will play a player that dribble unnecessary and lose balls in dangerous area in the middle? Thank God you are no where near the SE bench!

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 10:47pm On Dec 17, 2022
TheSuperNerd:


The Empty is you, Mr Perv. Always has been You. Rest good with that knowledge.
You need to get married asap or find yourself a girl cos it's obvious my indirect compliment is still worrying you.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 10:50pm On Dec 17, 2022
Na wa. grin

The perv don dey pry into Private matters.

This tactic ain't working. Ain't telling you shit, Obsessed perv. grin

mostob:
You need to get married asap or find yourself a girl cos it's obvious my indirect compliment is still worrying you.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:11pm On Dec 17, 2022
benji93:
Thank you for making this simple. I want everyone here to pay close attention. The snippet you posted tells us that Garrincha was dropped and Pele brought back in. Facts. Obviously, Garrincha played the second game, so that word would be suitable. But they didn't mention why it was done. This is not unusual. You don't always capture every detail in an article. Articles are usually written with a theme in mind. The reader also selects articles based on what he's looking for.
I actually mentioned in my previous post that Garrincha was injured even before the tournament. It's in his biography, but you elected to ignore it or you didn't just know. I go for the latter. cheesy grin. And it's ok.
The link and first snippet tell us why he was dropped. You are welcome. cheesy grin.

Meanwhile, I also posed a challenge. Please provide the information that you have that isn't on the internet and evidence for it. As a senior researcher, you would agree with me that these kinds of conversations are usually more fruitful when they are fact-based. cheesy grin.

My point is there's no information you can provide that isn't on the internet. There are loads of articles on those Brazilian sides. And it's very likely no one has read them all. It's ok. Everyone can learn from anyone, even those some would classify as 'dumb'.

Even with the same facts, experts may disagree on what it means. It's ok. More like we agree to disagree.

By the way, I don't understand why you constantly resort to jabs and insults. Nobody really knows anybody here.
Just enjoy yourself.
https://www.unusualefforts.com/portugal-brazil-1966/



This is the thing with trying to sound so smart. I narrowed it down using your own article below. Now, where exactly in your article does it state that Garrincha was unavailable for that game through Injury? grin

You said he missed the third game because of injury. That is what your original stance said. Now you shift it to before the tournament. Your article shows he wasn't still nursing that injury. He had recovered but was not at the same level. Guy wasn't Injured. That is the whole point.

It even clearly states asks the question about why the coach didn't bring on Garrincha... proving his availability.

But then there goes that Garrincha question.... you are unaware that Substitutions weren't allowed at the 1966 WC? It was clearly stated by me and mentioned in some of the articles I shared.

Fifa themselves recount this very Match and say Garrincha was available but dropped. He couldn't be brought on because Subs were not allowed.

Your own article spoke about Garrincha's state before the WC in England NOT During the WC in England. His alcoholism, his jail issues, his injury, all were before the WC in England. He started the tournament.

Garrincha played the 1st game. Played the 2nd game. And was dropped for the 3rd game. He was on the bench.

In a bid to stand by your misinformation, You simply couldn't understand what you even posted. Garrincha didn't miss the game because of injury, he did because he was simply dropped. That is what your article insinuates rightly.

Again, you are welcome. You got owned by your own article even after I made it so simple for you. grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:19pm On Dec 17, 2022
komekn:


No he has not, he plays as makeshift wing back with no pace.

Every league he has played in he has been essentially basic to below average then you want to convince me that he gets to national team and then he becomes Van Dyke.

There is a reason he is playing in the lowly Croatia league he is simply not good enough for a better league.

One of the best goalkeeper at the world cup plays in the Croatian league..By your logic, he isn't good enough either...

Your first paragraph already shows you know nothing... When has Awazeim ever played as a wing back? Don't confuse wingback with fullback
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 11:22pm On Dec 17, 2022
cheesy
Marjoribanks:
Ejuke can switch play with long balls? You must be related to him. The boy got his chance at AFCON and misused it. The only game he started he was the worst player on the field. He played against CAR and Cape Verde away what special stuffs did he offer? You will play a player that dribble unnecessary and lose balls in dangerous area in the middle? Thank God you are no where near the SE bench!

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:24pm On Dec 17, 2022
benji93:



Did he play in the last game or not? They roughed him up blablabla. That one na shalaye. cheesy grin. As the researcher extraordinaire, did you not know that Garrincha was injured in 1966 too? He did not play the last game, and they lost. Pele missed the second, they lost, and Garrincha missed the last and they lost.


Your words Benji93...... a part of your original post.

You never put it as Garrincha being injured going into the tournament. You are just twisting and changing it to that narrative right now. Besides Garrincha's injury episode had come and gone before the tournament began. He recovered but just wasn't the same "form-wise". Bottomline is he was available but was already a spent force by then.

You clearly stated that Garrincha was injured in the 1966 WC. You followed that up with, "he didn't play the last game and they lost". What were you insinuating? That he missed it due to injury and they lost.

Fifa records show this is a lie on your part.

Also, you called my description of Pele being roughed up as Shalaye but it is well stated in almost every records of that Brazil 1966 WC adventure.


Consider this Checkmate. Any other noise after this is just what it is, Noise.

You are welcome. AGAIN. cool

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 11:32pm On Dec 17, 2022
Are you kidding me? I don't provide information I don't need. The fact that I didn't bring the issue of 'no substitutions' up doesn't mean I don't know. Sorry, I don't just dump information to make others think I know a lot. It's not useful. It's not my way.

Simple question. Does the article say he was injured even prior to the tournament? I usually don't cut articles short to reflect my point specifically, because I want everyone to follow the context. I have now attached the specific section. They list a host of issues Garirncha had, including meniscus and tendon tears, and went further to say that not even surgery could bring him back to a decent level. Very simple.

I also edited my last post.

Remember also Garrincha was 33 and Pele 26. Even today a 33-year-old is all but spent, not to talk of a 33-year-old player injured player in 1966. That would be a pensioner volunteering. 4 years prior when Garrincha was still at his peak everybody interested saw what he could do. Of course, a 26-year-old injured great would be preferred over a 33-year-old injured great 8 out of 10 times today not to talk of 1966, especially if their roles overlap. You don't need any special coaching skills to make that decision.

It's easy to understand that in 1966, a 33-year-old would find it hard to recover from an injury. Even for Pele himself 1970 was his last. He was spent. Years of cosntnatly getting kicked would do that do you.
I wrote this in my second post. I have no idea why you missed it. Was it intentional? cheesy grin
'Na you suppose do research now. His biography says he was injured going into that tournament. They kick Garrincha all the time too. The guy na dribbler. I am not sure why the 'they kicked him' argument is useful here. They kick normal players not to talk of transcendental players.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrincha'

TheSuperNerd:



This is the thing with trying to sound so smart. I narrowed it down using your own article below. Now, where exactly in your article does it state that Garrincha was unavailable for that game through Injury? grin

You said he missed the third game because of injury. That is what your original stance said. Now you shift it to before the tournament. Your article shows he wasn't still nursing that injury. He had recovered but was not at the same level. Guy wasn't Injured. That is the whole point.

It even clearly states asks the question about why the coach didn't bring on Garrincha... proving his availability.

But then there goes that Garrincha question.... you are unaware that Substitutions weren't allowed at the 1966 WC? It was clearly stated by me and mentioned in some of the articles I shared.

Fifa themselves recount this very Match and say Garrincha was available but dropped. He couldn't be brought on because Subs were not allowed.

Your own article spoke about Garrincha's state before the WC in England NOT During the WC in England. His alcoholism, his jail issues, his injury, all were before the WC in England. He started the tournament.

Garrincha played the 1st game. Played the 2nd game. And was dropped for the 3rd game. He was on the bench.

In a bid to stand by your misinformation, You simply couldn't understand what you even posted. Garrincha didn't miss the game because of injury, he did because he was simply dropped. That is what your article insinuates rightly.

Again, you are welcome. You got owned by your own article even after I made it so simple for you. grin



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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:46pm On Dec 17, 2022
benji93:
Are you kidding me? I don't provide information I don't need. The fact that I didn't bring the issue of 'no substitutions' up doesn't mean I don't know. Sorry, I don't just dump information to make others think I know a lot. It's not useful. It's not my way.

Simple question. Does the article say he was injured even prior to the tournament? I usually don't cut articles short to reflect my point specifically, because I want everyone to follow the context. I have now attached the specific section. They list a host of issues Garirncha had, including meniscus and tendon tears, and went further to say that not even surgery could bring him back to a decent level. Very simple.

I wrote this in my second post. I have no idea why you missed it. Was it intentional? cheesy grin
'Na you suppose do research now. His biography says he was injured going into that tournament. They kick Garrincha all the time too. The guy na dribbler. I am not sure why the 'they kicked him' argument is useful here. They kick normal players not to talk of transcendental players.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrincha'


You don't bring info you don't need, my ass. Yet you don't see how it is relevant to this convo? Your article threw up the question of why Garrincha wasn't considered from the bench and the "no subs rule" back then is relevant to explain why that couldn't happen.



Okay, let us kill off the discussion for good.

Remember your original words. "He was injured in 1966". Those were your words.


Now your article clearly states that he had a bad spell at Corinthians after leaving Botafogo in 1965.

This means that his spell at Corinthians happened after recovery from his surgery for his meniscus injury, jail issues and relationship misadventure. This was definitely around the period of 1964-1965 as a fine timeline guesstimate. After that, Garrincha was still balling but wasn't the same form-wise.

This is similar to CR7 today who always never came back from a particular knee condition called Tendinosis which he has carefully managed since 2014.

Should I also term him injured for every game he played since then?

Do you see how funny your logic sounds?

The whole point is you are wrong to say Garrincha was injured in 1966. You are wrong to even suggest he wasn't available for the last game due to injury when infact he was available but just dropped.

Just admit it man... you went up against the "Senior Researcher" (in your words) grin and just got OWNED.

Checkmate bro. Rest it.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:03am On Dec 18, 2022
Meliforme:


We went to the last AFCON with a midfielder that can cross the ball, and guess what: he started only one game.
Something is definitely wrong somewhere


Crossing the ball as a Midfielder hmm do your mean winger.

Or a midfielder who can do pin point accurate cross field long passes, is that what you mean.

That for most EPL academy boys is an essential requirement it's not an outstanding achievement or attribute. That is at age 14 and even younger.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:05am On Dec 18, 2022
TheSuperNerd:
And that one game this midfielder started was the best midfield display of the Afcon by our team earlier this year but the same Nigerian fans deny it and tell you the lad is useless. Lol

Meli... the problem also extends to the fans. They don't want the truth.


If you are so sure why dont you say this Midfielders name ❓
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Amedino99(m): 12:07am On Dec 18, 2022
Marjoribanks:
Ejuke can switch play with long balls? You must be related to him. The boy got his chance at AFCON and misused it. The only game he started he was the worst player on the field. He played against CAR and Cape Verde away what special stuffs did he offer? You will play a player that dribble unnecessary and lose balls in dangerous area in the middle? Thank God you are no where near the SE bench!
won't be surprised if he is already in the team. Shebi that smith guy was part of the national team set up.

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