Danielnino00:


Awazeim has been far better than Akpos in the GWG, truth be told...
In fact, Awazeim has mostly been decent in the GWG.. Seems like playing in Croatia is the problem you have with him...

komekn:


If you are so sure why dont you say this Midfielders name ❓

Danielnino00:


Balogun main problem is lack of pace.. but on a normal day, he is a solid option in defence.. Also his ball playing abilities are decent...Those Joel Matip kind of run into the midfield are needed once in a while to break opposition defence...
Ekong in my opinion hasn't shown much improvement since he has been playing for us..

TheGoodJoe:


We come from different spheres of life and must have different views. Your own area is known because of so much media coverage.

However, in Nigeria, we do not have the facilities like the Europeans but for instance, in the U17, we have done better than lots of Europwa teams with far better development facilities.

I am not saying the facilities are not important. What I am saying is that despite the lack, we need to find away to measure up.

Marjoribanks:
We have scouted comprehensively and continue to do so. Our under 17 and 20 are current WAFU Champions. The two teams that will play in the final tomorrow took players playing in the top leagues. Tomorrow the best player won't be someone playing in division 2 or non league football somewhere. It would be someone playing in Laliga or the French league. Chukweze, Oshimen, Simon, Onachu, Onyedika, Onyeka, Sanusi, Awoniyi, Dennis, Moffi, Iheanacho, Success. and many more were scouted too. So I don't understand your point?

TheSuperNerd:


You don't bring info you don't need, my ass. Yet you don't see how it is relevant to this convo? Your article threw up the question of why Garrincha wasn't considered from the bench and the "no subs rule" back then is relevant to explain why that couldn't happen.



Okay, let us kill off the discussion for good.

Remember your original words. "He was injured in 1966". Those were your words.


Now your article clearly states that he had a bad spell at Corinthians after leaving Botafogo in 1965.

This means that his spell at Corinthians happened after recovery from his surgery for his meniscus injury, jail issues and relationship misadventure. This was definitely around the period of 1964-1965 as a fine timeline guesstimate. After that, Garrincha was still balling but wasn't the same form-wise.

This is similar to CR7 today who always never came back from a particular knee condition called Tendinosis which he has carefully managed since 2014.

Should I also term him injured for every game he played since then?

Do you see how funny your logic sounds?

The whole point is you are wrong to say Garrincha was injured in 1966. You are wrong to even suggest he wasn't available for the last game due to injury when infact he was available but just dropped.

Just admit it man... you went up against the "Senior Researcher" (in your words) and just got OWNED.

Checkmate bro. Rest it.

elyte89:


U shld knw Charles by now,once u re not playing in d top 6 elite European leagues...if u like score 1000goals,u no sabi be dt

And dt has been nerdie and philosophy preaching here dt we shld start looking beyond where dis guys play alone but also look at what u will bring differently to d team irrespective of where u play

But baba charles no go gree, I heard Croatia keeper sef ,plays in deir local league and look at aw good he’s in dis tournament

komekn:


Nwokem BEECO let's not pretend ,say the truth and shame the devil.

For years past and present we have been carrying Uncles to go and play with small children from Europe. And you are saying we have done better.

Where did it get us to 90% end up in obscure low quality league with linited shelf life as football age starts to show.

benji93:


Did he play in the last game or not? They roughed him up blablabla. That one na shalaye. . As the researcher extraordinaire, did you not know that Garrincha was injured in 1966 too? He did not play the last game, and they lost. Pele missed the second, they lost, and Garrincha missed the last and they lost.

benji93:
Garrincha was 33 and Pele 26 in 1966. Even today a 33-year-old is all but spent, not to talk of a 33-year-old player who was constantly injured in 1966. That would be a pensioner volunteering. 4 years prior when Garrincha was still at his peak everybody interested saw what he could do. Of course, a 26-year-old injured great would be preferred over a 33-year-old injured great 8 out of 10 times today not to talk of 1966, especially if their roles overlap. You don't need any special coaching skills to make that decision.

It's quite easy to understand that a 33-year-old player may not be able to recover from a knee injury in 1966. Even the almighty Pele wore down. His last international game was in 1971. He was spent. That's what constant kicking does to you. He was at the 1974 world cup as a radio commentator.
Why did you ignore the fact that I did mention that he was going into the tournament injured? .

Besides, a bad spell could mean he didn't play much due to injury. A bad spell simply means you were unproductive and having a bad period. It doesn't say much about why. An injury-ravaged spell is a bad spell. A bad spell doesn't only mean you were playing but unproductive . I thought everyone knew this. He had been battling with all sorts of personal and injury issues for years. The second snippet shows he was barely playing, even in 1963, one year removed from his impressive run in 1962.
You can check his biography.

Did I hear you say similar to CR7? You are comparing injuries post-2010 and 1966? Interesting.

CR7 actually played. Just slightly diminished. Thanks to today's technology and some motivation he could manage it. Garrincha couldn't play regularly, which could be a result of frequent relapse, lack of match fitness, e.t.c.

You don't need to tell someone Checkmate. . Let others be the judge of that.
Besides, this is a relaxed exchange for me. For the umpteenth time, there's no point trying to inform everyone you are smarter every time you reply. Very interesting.

Marjoribanks:
Ejuke can switch play with long balls? You must be related to him. The boy got his chance at AFCON and misused it. The only game he started he was the worst player on the field. He played against CAR and Cape Verde away what special stuffs did he offer? You will play a player that dribble unnecessary and lose balls in dangerous area in the middle? Thank God you are no where near the SE bench!

komekn:


Nwokem BEECO let's not pretend ,say the truth and shame the devil.

For years past and present we have been carrying Uncles to go and play with small children from Europe. And you are saying we have done better.

Where did it get us too 90% end up in obscure low quality league with linited shelf life as football age starts to show.

Marjoribanks:
We have scouted comprehensively and continue to do so. Our under 17 and 20 are current WAFU Champions. The two teams that will play in the final tomorrow took players playing in the top leagues. Tomorrow the best player won't be someone playing in division 2 or non league football somewhere. It would be someone playing in Laliga or the French league. Chukweze, Oshimen, Simon, Onachu, Onyedika, Onyeka, Sanusi, Awoniyi, Dennis, Moffi, Iheanacho, Success. and many more were scouted too. So I don't understand your point?

komekn:


Balogun is faster than Awaziem.

Meliforme:


Just watch his first action in the following video.
There are other cases.
Please watch with an open mind.

I don't come out in the open to make conclusions without good proof.
believe me it will do you good to know this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBVfWc8Tl0U

do4luv14:



Everything Good man, Trust you are doing great

TheGoodJoe:


You are taking us in circles.

Look at your list and tell me the midfielder there that is gifted at keeping the ball and passing intelligently. Also give us the names of the players we should invite in the top clubs we do not know.

The point is, we do not have enough pool of players in top clubs. We have to measure up with comprehensive scouting for hidden gems to complement what we have.

TheGoodJoe:


You are taking us in circles.

Look at your list and tell me the midfielder there that is gifted at keeping the ball and passing intelligently. Also give us the names of the players we should invite in the top clubs we do not know.

The point is, we do not have enough pool of players in top clubs. We have to measure up with comprehensive scouting for hidden gems to complement what we have.

komekn:


Dude please everyone here knows what happens it's ingrained it's part of the delivery structure and framework.

We have been fielding Uncles for donkey years age cheating is part of our DNA from top to bottom.

We have a president and an Presidential aspirants who we don't really know their true ages.

I have been to several academies in Nigeria and the question given to me is not how old they are. But rather how old or young do you want them to be.

Meliforme:


Just watch his first action in the following video.
There are other cases.
Please watch with an open mind.

I don't come out in the open to make conclusions without good proof.
believe me it will do you good to know this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBVfWc8Tl0U

TheGoodJoe:


Wow. Move clip. I agree with your belief that none of our forwards can pass like him. He also has a nice curl to his short and long passing. Ejuke is sound and it looks criminal that Simon Moses has gotten so much run of games and Ejuke not giving ample chances. Shows that there is something wrong with those who pick our squad players.

Marjoribanks:
I hate people being economical with the truth! Lol!
Moses Simon was our best player at AFCON. You can go on YouTube and google Moses Simon. Wetin this one dey play! Google Moses Simon and see quality football.

Marjoribanks:
How else do you want us to discover hidden gems if not age group competitions? We have Iwobi, Aribo, Nwakali, Onyedika who can hold and pass the ball! We have great lads in the under 17 and 20 coming up! What else do you want? You are the one talking in circles here!

Oasis007:
Let me repeat it again, over reliance on players plying their trades in foreign countries is killing Super Eagles.

Most of them are average and not better than the local players. We may not appreciate local players anymore because we are not following the league.

It's easier to build a formidable team with local players than foreign based players. Assemble them, get them trained together at least twice in a Month. Drop the weak ones until the right players with right mentality make up the squad.

Add few determined foreign based players and watch them light up the continent. Last time I enjoyed watching our games has lost in my memory.

We keep hailing them, calling them all sorts of great names to what end? Serving us breakfast?!

Oasis007:
Let me repeat it again, over reliance on players plying their trades in foreign countries is killing Super Eagles.

Most of them are average and not better than the local players. We may not appreciate local players anymore because we are not following the league.

It's easier to build a formidable team with local players than foreign based players. Assemble them, get them trained together at least twice in a Month. Drop the weak ones until the right players with right mentality make up the squad.

Add few determined foreign based players and watch them light up the continent. Last time I enjoyed watching our games has lost in my memory.

We keep hailing them, calling them all sorts of great names to what end? Serving us breakfast?!

Marjoribanks:
Have you watch the highlights of Chukweze or Moses Simon? Please do! I judge a player with real time match not highlights. Do you know why Ajax refused to sign him despite his dribbling abilities? Do you know why he is unpopular with Hertha Berlin fans? End product. Dribbling without assists and goals is crap! Who will he even bench in the SE first 11? Chuz, Lookman, Simon, Iwobi. or Moffi?

Oasis007:
Let me repeat it again, over reliance on players plying their trades in foreign countries is killing Super Eagles.

Most of them are average and not better than the local players. We may not appreciate local players anymore because we are not following the league.

It's easier to build a formidable team with local players than foreign based players. Assemble them, get them trained together at least twice in a Month. Drop the weak ones until the right players with right mentality make up the squad.

Add few determined foreign based players and watch them light up the continent. Last time I enjoyed watching our games has lost in my memory.

We keep hailing them, calling them all sorts of great names to what end? Serving us breakfast?!

TheGoodJoe:


The truth is a fact that the last two U17 players we carried were really young, passed the MRI, did not go to top quality academies but won it.

Marjoribanks:
I hate people being economical with the truth! Lol!
Moses Simon was our best player at AFCON. You can go on YouTube and google Moses Simon. Wetin this one dey play! Google Moses Simon and see quality football.

Marjoribanks:
Have you watch the highlights of Chukweze or Moses Simon? Please do! I judge a player with real time match not highlights. Do you know why Ajax refused to sign him despite his dribbling abilities? Do you know why he is unpopular with Hertha Berlin fans? End product. Dribbling without assists and goals is crap! Who will he even bench in the SE first 11? Chuz, Lookman, Simon, Iwobi. or Moffi?

Oasis007:
Let me repeat it again, over reliance on players plying their trades in foreign countries is killing Super Eagles.

Most of them are average and not better than the local players. We may not appreciate local players anymore because we are not following the league.

It's easier to build a formidable team with local players than foreign based players. Assemble them, get them trained together at least twice in a Month. Drop the weak ones until the right players with right mentality make up the squad.

Add few determined foreign based players and watch them light up the continent. Last time I enjoyed watching our games has lost in my memory.

We keep hailing them, calling them all sorts of great names to what end? Serving us breakfast?!