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| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Courz: 10:23am On Dec 24, 2022 |
Factors that led to the decision by The Norwegian government to stop funding JWs and to deregister them. 4 Likes 1 Share
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| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:28am On Dec 24, 2022 |
Aemmyjah: OgaNightmare: Please ask them who released them from the fear of HellFire? |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 12:57pm On Dec 24, 2022 |
it's obvious, I only see the Watchtower who disbelieves in the Word of God. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 1:02pm On Dec 24, 2022 |
I see only Christians protecting the Word of God,. "I don't see JW's.. MaxInDHouse: 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 1:20pm On Dec 24, 2022 |
I am seen on other treads, always protecting the Word of God-plus we are not against one another-we stand up against those like the JW's who make the Word of God sound like a mockery. You have shared {John 17:22} I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— Every time we have shared scripture with the JW's about the Father is in Me, as I am in the Father; the JW's refuse to acknowledge it ever existed "Now Max is claiming he is One with God. MaxInDHouse: 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Courz: 6:50pm On Dec 24, 2022 |
Quick question : Watchtower claims Jesus selected them at 1919 because they were the only ones teaching the Truth amongst all religions Jesus inspected. But back then, they were celebrating Birthdays and Christmas. This is their last Christmas celebration at Bethel in 1926. Why did they stop celebrating Christmas if all what they were teaching and practicing in 1919 were right and True which made Jesus select them? By the way, the 3 names mentioned apart from Rutherford are Freemasons. Another side note, there is no black person in this pic. Either they were not accepting Blacks into Bethel or the Blacks were segregated from whites. 2 Likes
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| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:08pm On Dec 24, 2022 |
Courz:Jesus is still the same character o! Hebrews 13:8 So he was gradually directing them through the Holy Spirit to scriptures so that they can be fully competent to carry along their brothers globally ! Luke 22:32  |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Courz: 9:12pm On Dec 24, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: That has not answered the question. If you JWs really were the only ones teaching the Truth amongst all religions which was the reason for Jesus selecting you, why did you need to change your doctrines still? Were you teaching Lies that needed to be discarded at the time Jesus selected Watchtower? Doesn't that prove that you were really not teaching the Truth at the time Jesus selected you which was why you had to change your doctrines still? In fact your Cult in 1919 is the total opposite of what you have become in 2022. Anyone still holding on to the teachings you JWs taught in 1919 is regarded as an Apostate today which means your Cult is an Apostate of its own. Your old Publications are Apostate material. Does this not also mean that Jesus really didn't select Watchtower because they taught the Truth? 3 Likes |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 9:17pm On Dec 24, 2022 |
The Ku Klux Klan and Freemasonry in America around 1920s ''back then it wasn't a crime accepting the Klan, but it's always been a crime against the black man. Black Skin, Negros and Mixed Races Despite the official end of slavery in America in 1865, the 1800's were a time of significant prejudice and inequality against African Americans. It was during this time that religions such as the Watch Tower Society and Mormons were formed. This influenced early views and teachings regarding black people and mixed races. For example, it was explained in a 1904 Watchtower that in the New System the skin of black people could turn white. Has it ever changed: Black's believing they will become white after death' when they go to Watchtower kingdom.. Viewing the quotes chronologically reveals that in more recent decades the Watchtower promotes racial equality. Despite this, in was not until 1999 that the first black Governing Body member, Samuel Herd, was appointed. As of 2021, Herd was still the only black Governing Body member and there has been no Asian represenation. By the looks of this: it's obvious Blacks will never be seen as human beings. ''Not even in the Watchtower, blacks will never be accepted respectfully.. 2 Likes |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:47pm On Dec 24, 2022 |
Courz: When he returned in 1914 Jesus did not found any religion practicing what he laid down back in the first century {Luke 18:8} but out of all the religions on planet earth he found a group willing to make amendments in their understanding of the scriptures that's why he chose them and began correcting them! |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Courz: 11:05pm On Dec 24, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Stop typing fantasies and stories and simply answer the question Mad MaxInDHouse. You are contradicting Watchtower and saying something else. Watchtower says they were selected because they were the only ones that taught Truth meaning, everything they were teaching from Russell down to 1919 was the Truth. You are saying you are the only ones that are ready to make changes. Which one is it? You are disagreeing with Watchtower. Your response has not answered the question. When Jesus came to select Watchtower, he didn't meet a religion teaching Truth. He met a religion of so many lies and false prophecies. But according to Watchtower, he still selected them showing he didn't mind your false prophecies and numerous errors in doctrines. He didn't mind that your founder was an Antichrist. He didn't mind that you were celebrating Birthdays and Christmas. He didn't mind that you were segregating Whites and Blacks. That means Jesus was very okay and sanctioned a religion teaching lies. If you JWs really were the only ones teaching the Truth amongst all religions which was the reason for Jesus selecting you, why did you need to change your doctrines still? Were you teaching Lies that needed to be discarded at the time Jesus selected Watchtower? Doesn't that prove that you were really not teaching the Truth at the time Jesus selected you which was why you had to change your doctrines still? In fact your Cult in 1919 is the total opposite of what you have become in 2022. Anyone still holding on to the teachings you JWs taught in 1919 is regarded as an Apostate today which means your Cult is an Apostate of its own. Your old Publications are Apostate material. Does this not also mean that Jesus really didn't select Watchtower because they taught the Truth? 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:21pm On Dec 24, 2022 |
Courz:Please can you quote where they said this? Thanks in advance! |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by cornelboy(f): 5:09am On Dec 25, 2022 |
brocab: John 17:20-23 [20]“I am praying not only for these disciples but also for all who will ever believe in me through their message. [21]I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me. [22]“I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one. [23]I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me. Those are Jesus' prayers. Jesus clearly explained what being one with the Father his. Being one with the father is not the same as being equal with him but being in perfect unity with him. No one is equal to Jehovah God. Man is the head of the wife, Christ is the head of man and God is the head of Christ. 1 Corinthians 11:3 Jesus has always been God's servant, doing many missions for God obediently. Of course Jesus is a God but the same God as his father. 1 Corinthians 8:5&6. In fact, Jesus have a God but God doesn't have a God. John 20:17, Revelation 1:6. Hebrew 1:9 NIV You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy." [6] Trinity is trash and completely manmade doctrines. Thanks to the JWs for making me understand the scriptures and have to full picture of the Bible. I don't care if you you agree with me or not. I have no intentions of teaching you because you're clearly here to slander the JWs together with your comrades. And I see you as an inferior when it comes to understanding and interpretation of the Bible. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 6:11am On Dec 25, 2022 |
Obviously you still don't understand the Spirit: God's Spirit was the same Spirit in Jesus: which makes them equal of one Mind. one soul and one heart, working together. Come back to me, when you decide to be a Born again Spirit filled Christian, without Spiritual knowledge, "Blind as you are, blind you will always be... And if you think JW knowledge is more greater then the Word of God-then you are a waste of space. Good luck.. cornelboy: 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:42am On Dec 25, 2022 |
Oh! Cornelboy, you took the pain to type all these just because of brocab? Well it's encouraging seeing your faith through your comments but don't waste your time with him because he's not sincere, it's when we see sincere and honest hearted individuals that he told us to dwell with them spiritually speaking {Matthew 10:11} not with dishonest people like brocab! Matthew 7:6 cornelboy: |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by cornelboy(f): 8:29am On Dec 25, 2022 |
brocab:I don't care what you think. I understand the scriptures perfectly. Thanks to the JWs. The disciples also had the same spirit. Jesus even prayed that they become one with him and his father. That doesn't make Jesus and his disciples equal to God. The trinity is trash and merely man-made doctrines. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by cornelboy(f): 8:35am On Dec 25, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:Alright sir. I won't waste my time arguing with him. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by achorladey: 8:41am On Dec 25, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: MaxInDHouse stated......... When he returned in 1914 Jesus did not found any religion practicing what he laid down back in the first century {Luke 18:8} but out of all the religions on planet earth he found a group willing to make amendments in their understanding of the scriptures that's why he chose them and began correcting them How do you MaxInDHouse know the quoted above?  . Who told you or taught you that? Then you asked a question Please can you quote where they said this? Is it not what you have just said above too. You still need quotes Courz stated...... Watchtower claims Jesus selected them at 1919 because they were the only ones teaching the Truth amongst all religions Jesus inspected. You no longer need quotes both of you are stating the same thing already Please stop manipulating Luke 18:8 to fit your religious ideology. Luke 18:8 has nothing to do with your religious organization in context please. Should I reason alongside your IDEOLOGY as it concerns the Luke 18:8 the Faith you indeed claim that Jesus met your religious organization in year 1919 is far far different [/b]from [b]what it is now. Correct? 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:58am On Dec 25, 2022 |
achorladey: out of all the religions on planet earth he found a group willing to make amendments in their understanding of the scriptures that's why he chose them and began correcting them Do you expect people willing to accept CORRECTION since 1919 to continue with the same beliefs they had 100 years later? |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by achorladey: 9:19am On Dec 25, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: See has the scripture fell flat in one swoop with this your question . Since your faith(now changing to beliefs) your Jesus met within your religious group when he came in 1919 is not same as of 2019 and beyond, are those he met in 1919 the true or false beliefs as it were faith does it match with the scripture you cited? Did Jesus not choose you based on that scripture you are forcing into your IDEOLOGY that Jesus indeed met that faith in your group? In summary Jesus did not meet the faith of your Luke 18:8 within your religious group in 1919. What you are telling us is that the Faith you are expected to have is what you Jesus has been correcting for over hundred years. What you have in 1919 is not the one Jesus talked about in Luke 18 :8. Oh dear the faith or beliefs will keep changing cloaked in the light getting brighter as taught by your religious leaders who still cannot guarantee perfect spiritual food from Jesus Christ. In reality no guarantee that what you call the faith that Jesus should meet you have it now paapaa. 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:51am On Dec 25, 2022 |
achorladey: Here is that scripture again: "when the Son of man arrives, will he really find this faith on the earth?” Luke 18:8b Of course Jesus never found any religion practicing what he laid down in 1914 that's the truth. Before 1914 no religion was preaching and teaching from house to house and door to door! Matthew 10:11-13 The IBSA were only making research to find out where the churches derailed so when Jesus returned he began visiting all groups until he found the IBSA that's willing to learn that's why he began CORRECTING them, many felt such changes are unnecessary so they left the group but the rest stood firm knowing fully well that they're seeing improvements while those that left continue following what they knew when Russell was still alive. So you can't expect that such organization will hold onto the teachings of Russell when Jesus of Nazareth is the one they claim as founder of their group! |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 10:56am On Dec 25, 2022 |
I believe you do know Watchtower literature, but not the Word of God-it confuses you. cornelboy:You have already written it down, but you aren't looking at it in a Spiritual term-you only see what you are taught in the flesh. {1 Peter 2:22} Jesus committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth. You must understand the disciples were sinner's, Jesus had No sin. {1 John 3:9} No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. So now we have the Father and the Son both without sin, so why shouldn't I believe Jesus is just like His Father.Having One Spirit working together. {John 14:11,20} So when Jesus said: I am in the Father and the Father in Me. Jesus was preferring to equal terms with the Father. Both without Sin. God said: {Hebrews 1:8-10} “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions, then believe they are Equally One Both without Sin... {Romans 3:10-12,Psalm 14:1-3,Psalm 53:1-3} There is no one righteous, not even one, there is no one who does good, not even one. The Lord was talking to sinful men 'such as the disciples born into sin. So having the Spirit of God-doesn't make us 'sinners the Father or god's, but it brings us into unity with the Father and the Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit. ''Jesus said: one must be born again before he can enter into the Kingdom of God: baptizing them with the Holy Spirit, and through His Word, we become one in Christ. cornelboy: 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by achorladey: 11:04am On Dec 25, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Of course Jesus never found any religion practicing what he laid down in 1914 that's the truth. Before 1914 no religion was preaching and teaching from house to house and door to door! Matthew 10:11-13 That's a good example of what happens when you begin to believe and accept concorted stories by men who cannot guarantee perfect spiritual food from Jesus Christ. No scripture in the first place said anything about Jesus checking any religious group in 1914 regarding preaching and teaching from house to house and door to door. That Matthew 10: 11-13 you cited was not the criteria to check whether any religion was practicing what he laid down, stop manipulating scriptures to fit your ideology. Luke 18:8 has nothing to do with preaching and teaching from door to door. It has nothing to do with 1914 - 1919, it has nothing to do with your religious organization. Simple! Leave concorted concepts and stories. The IBSA were only making research to find out where the churches derailed so when Jesus returned he began visiting all groups until he found the IBSA that's willing to learn that's why he began CORRECTING them, many felt such changes are unnecessary so they left the group but the rest stood firm knowing fully well that they're seeing improvements while those that left continue following what they knew when Russell was still alive. No where can you support this from the scriptures, you can only find concepts and concorted stories like this in your religious publications IBSA can keep finding and will not stop finding where they themselves derailed and will keep going back and forth like they did concerning John 5:28,29  So you can't expect that such organization will hold onto the teachings of Russell when Jesus of Nazareth is the one they claim as founder of their group Jesus didn't found any religious group that came into existence in late 1800s. It as you put it A CLAIM. A claim that you cannot prove from the scriptures you carry. It is all concept and concorted stories. Russell can be successfully thrown under the bus whenever you like as long as you want to keep peddling your religious organization and suit your ideology. I tell you, he will cause justice to be done to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man arrives, will he really find this faith* on the earth?” Why are you quoting Luke 18:8b for me and leaving the 8a out of it. Stop manipulating the scriptures. The instruction is simple. 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by brocab: 11:18am On Dec 25, 2022 |
Max will always turn people away from the truth, only because Max is running scared, His a runner, no back bone left in him. Max tells people he is with the CIA-and If anybody get's in his way, he threatens them. Most people will see stories like these very childish, but if you aren't ready to learn the scriptures it's your choice. I never seen them like arguments, I see them always as a learning. cornelboy: 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:39am On Dec 25, 2022 |
achorladey: Luke 18:8  |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:44am On Dec 25, 2022 |
brocab: Read the comments of a true Bible student! cornelboy: 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Courz: 11:57am On Dec 25, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Mad MaxInDHouse, are you sure you are a JW? Before you got baptised, are you sure your Jw teacher taught you this 1919 doctrine very well? This is the doctrine that makes Watchtower have authority over you and you want to claim not to know it. Even EXJWs who have left the Cult over 20 years ago, if they are asked this doctrine, they will repeat everything I said verbatim. All JWs and EXJWs know this doctrine, why are you asking me where they made this quote? You were arguing in support of the doctrine and all of a sudden you are asking me where they made this quote? Did you smoke Igbo before replying me? |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Courz: 12:05pm On Dec 25, 2022 |
achorladey: Look at this Mad MaxInDHouse! That name Mad Max fits him very well. He was defending the 1919 doctrine and all of a sudden he is asking me where they made that quote when I pointed out to him that he is contradicting Watchtower. Are you sure this Mad MaxInDHouse is a JW? If you ask a child that is a JW why Watchtower was selected by Jesus in 1919, he or she will repeat everything I said up there verbatim. Even an EXJW that has left the Cult 20 years ago will repeat the same thing. When I was in this Cult, I know how this 1919 doctrine was drilled into my head. And he is here asking me for quote. He is asking me for quote because he was contradicting Watchtower and because I have shown him how ridiculous Watchtower's claim is. Everything about that 1919 doctrine falls flat when you begin to think and analyse it. He has seen it and he is trying to deny the doctrine.  3 Likes |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:11pm On Dec 25, 2022 |
Courz: There's a difference between people that takes rumours seriously and those that verify things for sure! 1Thessalonians 5:21 So my guy answer the question if you're sure of what you've been saying: MaxInDHouse: Courz: Thanks in advance! |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by achorladey: 12:21pm On Dec 25, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: It states...... I tell you, he will cause justice to be done to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man arrives, will he really find this faith* on the earth?” Where in Luke 18:8 Jesus said is checking all religious groups in 1919 to see if they have the FAITH he was talking about here? |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Courz: 12:29pm On Dec 25, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: You are not a JW Mad MaxInDHouse. You are an Apostate. Somebody else in this forum has called you that. You are contradicting Watchtower's claim and if they get to see this, you will be punished. It is a shame that I, an EXJW, Have to school you on your doctrine. You should be ashamed of yourself. I know what you are trying to do but it won't work. Look at the first pic below. Those are the doctrines Watchtower taught when they were selected in 1919. These are the doctrines Jesus certified as Correct and right, thus qualifying you JWs as Spiritually Clean and the One True religion. Look at the rest of the screenshots from your publications. Watchtower claims between 1914 and 1919, The org was Spiritually cleansed and went through refinement. Jesus then came to inspect the org and found it fit to represent him. Looking at the doctrines you taught during that time, Jesus obviously was okay with all of them according to Watchtower. If Jesus saw these doctrines as Truth, why did you JWs change all of them? Why did you need to change when you were already declared True and right and Spiritually cleansed by Jesus while teaching these doctrines? 1 Like
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| Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by achorladey: 12:37pm On Dec 25, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: You go soon run or start insult peddling now...... In 1919, three years after Brother Russell’s death, Jesus appointed “the faithful and discreet slave.” For what purpose? To give his followers “food at the proper time.” (Matthew 24:45)....... There's a difference between people that takes rumours seriously and those that verify things for sure! 1Thessalonians 5:21 Exit strategy, no be today we start to dey give you TRUTH about your religious organization after proper authentication and verification with your darling religious publications but you love to call them lies after DENYING and INSULTING |
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