ogwumgbe:
Really? so Romans is not the word of God? please explain

According to scripture, Jesus Christ is the one who is the Truth of God —the very Word out of God's own mouth. Paul's words are opinions that you are meant to validate against the Truth of God.

Kobojunkie:
According to scripture, Jesus Christ is the one who is the Truth of God —the very Word out of God's own mouth. Paul's words are opinions that you are meant to validate against the Truth of God.

I see, so according to you 2Timothy 3;16 is irrelevant?

ogwumgbe:
I see, so according to you 2Timothy 3;16 is irrelevant?

What is it relevant to? Does it contradict the claim that Jesus Christ is the Truth of God, a claim made by Jesus Christ Himself, or what?

Kobojunkie:
What is it relevant to? Does it contradict the claim that Jesus Christ is the Truth of God, a claim made by Jesus Christ Himself, or what?

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the Life, He alone saves, He doesn't need your help to save you, He only wants you to believe that He is He

ogwumgbe:
Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the Life, He alone saves, He doesn't need your help to save you, He only wants you to believe that He is He

So, doing the work that Jesus Christ commands you to do to you means that Jesus Christ needs your help to save you?

I don't understand that thinking at all. He told you that He is the Master and you are the servant. So basically, you are telling us that as a Master, Jesus Christ has no right to ask you to do anything. Does that make sense to you?

Kobojunkie:
So, doing the work that Jesus Christ commands you to do to you means that Jesus Christ needs your help to save you?

I don't understand that thinking at all. He told you that He is the Master and you are the servant. So basically, you are telling us that as a Master, Jesus Christ has no right to ask you to do anything. Does that make sense to you?

Brother stop shifting the goal post, What we are discussing here is the SALVATION, that's eternal salvation, it's gotten by faith in Christ Jesus Christ without works attached, that's simple. That's why Christianity is different from every other religion that exalts self righteousness to obtain salvation And someone asked Him, " What shall we do to do the works of God? And He answered, the works of God is to believe in whom He has sent. Isn't this written in your Bible?

ogwumgbe:
1. Brother stop shifting the goal post, What we are discussing here is the SALVATION, that's eternal salvation, it's gotten by faith in Christ Jesus Christ without works attached, that's simple.

2. That's why Christianity is different from every other religion that exalts self righteousness to obtain salvation And someone asked Him, " What shall we do to do the works of God? And He answered, the works of God is to believe in whom He has sent. Isn't this written in your Bible?

1. Shifting what Goal post again? I don't understand. According to Jesus Christ, in order to obtain salvation, what He made clear in John 3 vs 1 - 21, you have to do as He commands - Be born of water and be born of Spirit. Jesus Christ said you cannot enter into the Kingdom of God— obtain Salvation — if you don't do those things He commanded that you do. However, here you claim you are not meant to do any of what Jesus Christ commands you to do in order to obtain that very same salvation. So, how exactly am I shifting goalposts here?

2. According to you, your relationship with Jesus Christ requires you to do absolutely nothing but mentally acknowledge Jesus Christ, a claim that clearly contradicts Jesus Christ's very own teachings to you, meaning what you hold you have nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ, which is what I have been stating all along. Clearly, following what Jesus Christ said, if you don't do as He asks you to do, you cannot enter into the Kingdom of God nor belong to Him. So why exactly as you repulsed by what Jesus Christ said?

Kobojunkie:
1. Shifting what Goal post again? I don't understand. According to Jesus Christ, in order to obtain salvation, what He made clear in John 3 vs 1 - 21, you have to do as He commands - Be born of water and be born of Spirit. Jesus Christ said you cannot enter into the Kingdom of God— obtain Salvation — if you don't do those things He commanded that you do. However, here you claim you are not meant to do any of what Jesus Christ commands you to do in order to obtain that very same salvation. So, how exactly am I shifting goalposts here?

2. According to you, your relationship with Jesus Christ requires you to do absolutely nothing but mentally acknowledge Jesus Christ, a claim that clearly contradicts Jesus Christ's very own teachings to you, meaning what you hold you have nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ, which is what I have been stating all along. Clearly, following what Jesus Christ said, if you don't do as He asks you to do, you cannot enter into the Kingdom of God nor belong to Him. So why exactly as you repulsed by what Jesus Christ said?

John 3;16, For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlastng life. Isn't that one written in your own Bible?

Also being born again you people are singing like reggae music without knowing the meaning simply means that you can't enter the kingdom of God with your Adamic nature. You need a new body to enter the Kingdom of God and Jesus Christ is the only being that has that body now, which those that believe in him will later have at the resurrection of the dead, understand your Bible brother

ogwumgbe:
1. John 3;16, For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlastng life. Isn't that one written in your own Bible?

2. Also being born again you people are singing like reggae music without knowing the meaning simply means that you can't enter the kingdom of God with your Adamic nature. You need a new body to enter the Kingdom of God and Jesus Christ is the only being that has that body now, which those that believe in him will later have at the resurrection of the dead, understand your Bible brother

I don't think what is meant there is mental acknowledgement either as the very same Jesus Christ also states in John 6 vs 25 - 45 that if you don't eat His body and drink His blood you will not have eternal life. So clearly even the having of eternal life, when you combine those two passages requires you in fact obey the commandment of Jesus Christ.

2. So essentially what you are still saying here is that Jesus Christ is wrong in His description of what it means to be born-again?

Kobojunkie:
I don't think what is meant there is mental acknowledgement either as the very same Jesus Christ also states in John 6 vs 25 - 45 that if you don't eat His body and drink His blood you will not have eternal life. So clearly even the having of eternal life, when you combine those two passages requires you in fact obey the commandment of Jesus Christ.

2. So essentially what you are still saying here is that Jesus Christ is wrong in His description of what it means to be born-again?

Ok what does it mean to eat the flesh of the son of man and drink His blood?

ogwumgbe:
Ok what does it mean to eat the flesh of the son of man and drink His blood?

According to Jesus Christ, eating His Body and drinking His blood is first a sort of rite of Initiation into the New agreement and Covenant between God and man -- in the Kingdom of God --- and then a ritual done in remembrance of the eternal agreement one previously cosigned when one gained access into the Kingdom of God - Matthew 26 vs 26 - 30

Now, does the meaning behind this ritual validate your stance against obeying the commandments as stipulated by Jesus Christ?,