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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by ShaqFu: 9:44pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
izzou:We the people. When we put aside our petty and nonsense difference and decide for ourselves we want a country that works, one which we and our children that will come after us will be proud of. 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Unlimited22: 9:45pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
Itsrm:Be careful with the response shaa. It is an app, not a doctor. It's just a tool, like his instruments are. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 9:49pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
ShaqFu: If there are no laws, how do you expect anybody to put anything aside? Any country that you admire has its citizens confined to laws. They did not wake up to put anything aside. The laws confined them to do so. I have been trying to understand your point, and that was why i mentioned you. If this is your opinion of a better country, it is not possible IMO, even in the US and UK 3 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 9:51pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
izzou: Izzou is it because of laws you are not doing yahoo yahoo? Is it because of laws you have not committed rape? 2 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Donjazet2: 9:53pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
ShaqFu: This is superlative nonsense I'm sorry to say. How exactly do a people decide to "put aside differences and work for ourselves"? Of course, I understand and agree with the sentiment but how exactly does that happen? As I said earlier, it's theoretical superlative nonsense because this doesn't address the issue of bad governance and a systemic dysfunction we have in Nigeria. And Moreso there is no country on this planet where all the citizens are united but they still have strong systems at work. America is deeply divided, like deeply deeply divided along ideological lines but they have a very solid institution and system that checks the powers of their politicians. So the question still stands from disstroy, what are the practical solutions Nigerians can do on their part to see about the building up of strong institutions? 4 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Donjazet2: 9:54pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
Well said izuchukwu. izzou: |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 9:55pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
GloriousGbola: Many reasons, but one of them would be the time i would spend to do the crime. It is because of laws i won't take a one way despite the heavy traffic. Remove that law, and I'll find myself on the other side It is because of laws that I won't forget a passport to travel abroad. When did we start expecting people to behave well outside of laws in this world? Laws are the major reasons for sanity on earth. Remove laws, and this whole earth would be upside down in a day. 2 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by ShaqFu: 9:56pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
izzou:That is among the issue. Our laws are porous, easily twisted and thwarted. It is among the things that is causing problems. I'm sure, as you are sure, the countries we admire have religious laws enshrined in their constitution? The countries we admire, their laws are enforced, devoid of sentiment or any religious or traditional attachment. In Nigeria, it is totally different... |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Donjazet2: 10:01pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
GloriousGbola: Yahoo yahoo and rape are crimes committed all over the world. Like it's a crime present in all countries of the world because every human being has some sort of "bad quality" in them. This is still inconsequential to the quality of governance they experience in their country. Brazil has a healthy democracy with a fairly strong economy but still has a high rate of individual crime, same with India. What does individual crime have to do with the political system and quality of governance of a country? You guys seem soo adept at painting Nigerians as worse than others which is why we have bad politicians. Bit that is simply not true. Nigeria has bad politicians because a vast majority of it's population are not voter educated. And by that I mean that even the literate and educated populace are not yet fully informed as to the design and method of our political system, or desire to participate in them so our politics is merely relegated to a game of the minority in the society. In other words, many people simply ignore politics leading to the worst being elected. 4 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 10:03pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
ShaqFu: And the bolded is what a determined president needs to fix. That is what Disstroy has been saying to you. Laws are what makes a society sane. Isnt it funny that the Nigerian that would by-pass his prepaid meter here, would gladly pay his electricity bill in the UK? The Nigerian that would opt for sorting lecturers here, would study hard abroad? Did he just change overnight? Nope. He just switched to another country with laws We saw how the protest in the US for the slain black guy turned into another End Sars (I can't remember the guy's name again) A whole US, and people were robbing and burgling stores. A determined president will enforce laws. When laws are enforced, people will gladly fall in line 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by DissTroy(m): 10:03pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
ShaqFu: Just because I post my pictures or I have my phone and WhatsApp number up, and my portfolio doesn't mean I want to share my itinerary. Even on Facebook, I don't share my itinerary or people I hobnob with. I barely ever even post pictures with people or tag them if I ever do. Nor do I mention new adventures I am up to. And I never respond to personal or invasive questions even on the comments posted on my posts. Focus on the topic which is the 2023 presidential election and the candidates running for office. That's the topic. Don't get too nosy. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 10:03pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
izzou: Definitely not true since most yahoo boys in Nigeria are literally getting away with it. Most laws and rules are put in place to protect you You are a smart guy - there is 0 seat belt enforcement up north. Would you drive without a seat belt up north when you know that it will increase your risk in a collision? Lasbca is in lagos to counter building collapse. Well with or without lasbca I have supervised multiple structures that did not collapse - because I don't want something my hand is in collapsing on a person's head. Or because my common sense is outweighing my greed and telling me this is what can happen. When the synagogue collapsed tb joshua never faced consequences, though the engineers that built the place did. 2 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Donjazet2: 10:04pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
ShaqFu: So simple question, who are in charge of setting or making the laws that make society better? |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 10:06pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
Have you ever tried to drive into a Military barracks? There is only one queue for cars, no matter how long it is. Nobody will tell you to join it, but everybody obeys and joins one queue The same Nigerians that will cut lanes, climb sidewalks and cause traffic, will quietly join the queue when he wants to drive into a barracks. Nobody needs to beg anybody to change. Just put laws and effect them. Then watch how this country will become sane. 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 10:09pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
GloriousGbola: Laws are not effected here, and that is what your examples are showing But saying everybody would be well behaved without laws is not correct, sir Even in saner climes, remove laws and they will turn to beasts immediately. 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Donjazet2: 10:09pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
Izzou and blueraydick, I expect an apology from both of you. There is nothing I did not say to prove to you guys how tinubu was running a highly tribal-charged campaign and running a politics of division as evidenced by those around him and hateful vitriol of his supporters. You guys kept telling me tinubu is not a tribal person. Well, he himself has come out to prove you wrong. Singling out a tribe for xenophobic and tribal narratives. As I said I expect that apology from you guys. Denying what was very obvious right from time. https://gazettengr.com/igbos-overcrowding-lagos-because-obi-refused-to-develop-anambra-tinubu/ 6 Likes
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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by ShaqFu: 10:10pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
izzou:Lmao. How will a determined president fix our porous laws? Is the determined president responsible for making our porous laws? Once again, how will he fix it? By enforcing it? Once again, how will he enforce it when the agencies that are suppose to enforce the laws are corrupt to the brim. In Nigeria, when laws are enforced, Nigerians groan and lament. They complain and attach religious and tribal sentiment to it. So tell me, is it this police force, that is full of illiterates and halfwits, who expect to enforce laws? Izzou, you and disstroy are idealists and idealists don't prosper in Nigeria. 2 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 10:11pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
Donjazet2: I am asking izzou a simple question There are laws against rape and yahoo yahoo in Nigeria, but we all see people get away with rape. If izzou commits either crime there is a 90% chance he will only get a slap on the wrist in Nigeria. Izzou is not abstaining from this and other crimes because of laws, but because that is who he is Izzou spoke months ago about his struggle. A large number of Nigerians would have used that as an excuse to go into crime. The law is only one part of it. That is why I spoke about nature vs nurture previously. And citing the law assumes that the law is always just and in the service of all of us, which you know is not the case. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by ShaqFu: 10:12pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
Donjazet2:the legislature make the law, the executive enforce it. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 10:13pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
izzou: I am sure you have seen pictures of Japanese and brits queueing without any enforcement. We even saw this during the queen's funeral. Can the average Nigerian wait patiently in a queue till his turn? It starts from the way Nigerians are brought up, and the values instilled in them by society |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Donjazet2: 10:15pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
ShaqFu: Good, so who elects the legislature? Is it not the masses who elects the legislature? And I am telling you that the reason we have terrible politicians is because the vast majority of the masses so not care about democracy or elections and it's importance. I can almost swear that more than half of the readers of my post right now have never voted for any politician before. Not knowing just how powerful the politicians are and how powerful they themselves as individuals are in deciding who gets elected. 6 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by ShaqFu: 10:16pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
DissTroy:You know me well to know getting nosy is my stock in trade. I deal with specifics, first hand experience and the likes. 2 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 10:16pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
ShaqFu: You are just here and there sir. You have identified the problem we have as porous laws, and you are still asking how anybody can enforce it. So, the people will wake up one morning and start paying electricity bills without tampering with the meters? This is laughable. Remove the laws in UK and US, and they will bypass anything and cut corners. I don't know if I am an idealist, but your solution can never work anywhere on earth. Maybe in another planet, though 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by ShaqFu: 10:17pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
Donjazet2:well, one way or the other, we are somehow saying the same thing. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by DissTroy(m): 10:18pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
ShaqFu: I'm an optimistic realist, not an idealist. There's a workable pragmatic approach to Nigeria's problems. First we have corruption and income generation issues. Oil is still our top 2 source of income. Only 17% of drilled oil is accounted for. A determined President would ensure NNPC functions and those lost oil loopholes are blocked. That solves corruption and increased GDP. Next is ensuring strong institutions. Why are politicians jailed for corruption released in months? Why do Yahoo boys get 6 months imprisonment but a hungry man who stole ogbono soup jailed for 3 years. Strong institutions. A determined president would ensure a welcome policy like the Whistle Blower policy of GMB doesn't die. That's help cut corruption. But we don't need a determined president according to you. 3 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 10:18pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
GloriousGbola: Is it allowed to jump the queue during the Queen's funeral? Why not answer that first? |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by ShaqFu: 10:18pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
izzou:abegi. So how do you think our laws can be enforced? |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 10:20pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
A smart person bypasses rules/laws. A wise person knows why they are in place. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 10:21pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
izzou: You think the UK or Japan has a LAW on jumping queues? |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by DissTroy(m): 10:23pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
ShaqFu:Yet you haven't been nosy enough to know anything about Tinubu's childhood but instead keep stealing teenage pictures of other people and passing it off as your candidate's. Put your nosiness to good use, Shaqfu. Where exactly was Tinubu born? What primary and secondary schools did he attend? What are his siblings' names? Do some good with your nosiness. Get these details and put them behind a paywalled site like Subtrack and you'd make money. Be determined. 6 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Donjazet2: 10:23pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
ShaqFu: No you were saying earlier that our country is bad because the citizens are bad or at least worse than other citizens. And I'm telling you that you're wrong. The country is bad because our institutions are weak, and our institutions are weak because the politicians who make them are terrible, the politicians are terrible because the masses responsible for electing them are largely ignorant of their roles and don't get to participate in the process that elects them hence leaving a group of politicians not accountable to the masses. 5 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 10:24pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
ShaqFu: The institutions are weak. The penalties are soft. A yahoo boy scams and gets 2 months imprisonment with an option of fine. Make it 10 years with no option of fine. Sentence 5 people publicly, and see if it will not reduce Once upon a time, people didn't care to use seat belts in Lagos. Today, the fear or 20k fine makes almost everybody use it Asking for the people to willingly obey is just a pipe dream. Even in the abroad, laws confine them |
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