DissTroy:

I'm an optimistic realist, not an idealist.

There's a workable pragmatic approach to Nigeria's problems.

First we have corruption and income generation issues.

Oil is still our top 2 source of income. Only 17% of drilled oil is accounted for. A determined President would ensure NNPC functions and those lost oil loopholes are blocked.
That solves corruption and increased GDP.

Next is ensuring strong institutions. Why are politicians jailed for corruption released in months? Why do Yahoo boys get 6 months imprisonment but a hungry man who stole ogbono soup jailed for 3 years. Strong institutions.

A determined president would ensure a welcome policy like the Whistle Blower policy of GMB doesn't die. That's help cut corruption.

But we don't need a determined president according to you.

GloriousGbola:


You think the UK or Japan has a LAW on jumping queues?

DissTroy:

Yet you haven't been nosy enough to know anything about Tinubu's childhood but instead keep stealing teenage pictures of other people as passing it off as your candidates.

Put your nosiness to good use, Shaqfu. Where exactly was Tinubu born? What primary and secondary schools did he attend? What are his siblings' !names?

Do some good with your nosiness. Get these details and put them behind a paywalled site like Subtrack and you'd make money. Be determined.

izzou:


You are just here and there sir.

You have identified the problem we have as porous laws, and you are still asking how anybody can enforce it.

So, the people will wake up one morning and start paying electricity bills without tampering with the meters? This is laughable.

Remove the laws in UK and US, and they will bypass anything and cut corners.

I don't know if I am an idealist, but your solution can never work anywhere on earth. Maybe in another planet, though

Donjazet2:
Izzou and blueraydick, I expect an apology from both of you. There is nothing I did not say to prove to you guys how tinubu was running a highly tribal-charged campaign and running a politics of division as evidenced by those around him and hateful vitriol of his supporters.
You guys kept telling me tinubu is not a tribal person.

Well, he himself has come out to prove you wrong. Singling out a tribe for xenophobic and tribal narratives. As I said I expect that apology from you guys. Denying what was very obvious right from time.

https://gazettengr.com/igbos-overcrowding-lagos-because-obi-refused-to-develop-anambra-tinubu/

DissTroy:


Shaqfu is the classic Devil's Advocate. He enjoys going against a crowd even if his direction is heading off a cliff, and argues mostly for that sake - arguing.

It's not farfetched to posit he's lounging in a bar this minute with both his legs on a high table and beer bottles all over.

Ask him the same questions tomorrow and he'd shift grounds.

Joe, how many bottles are you on now? Be honest with me.

izzou:

99% of humans are confined by laws. I am wondering why he would expect 200 million people to be different

This is the Almighty USA. Just few days of the breakdown of law and order, they automatically turned to burglars and thieves.

DissTroy:


Shaqfu is the classic Devil's Advocate. He enjoys going against a crowd even if his direction is heading off a cliff, and argues mostly for that sake - arguing.

It's not farfetched to posit he's lounging in a bar this minute with both his legs on a high table and beer bottles all over.

Ask him the same questions tomorrow and he'd shift grounds.

Joe, how many bottles are you on now? Be honest with me.

ShaqFu:
Yet even with the laws in the US, Congress was invaded by people who in a way, are not different from NANS, who went to prevent people from traveling in the airport.

Hmmm

izzou:

You are making my point for me

Laws are what keeps us in check..

Despite the laws in the US, they behave this way, but you expect 200 million people to automatically change without laws?

You sef, check am naa

ShaqFu:
Personally. I don't care if a man if from Mars, as long as he has shown me he is capable and can provide me with an enabling environment for me to do business and live without looking over my shoulder.

ShaqFu:
of course, laws keeps us in check, 200 million people won't change overnight because they're so use to living and breaking the law.

Imagine Rufai Oseni, who drove on BRT lane harassing an police officer and threatening him with calling the governor. Kindly note, he's a coded Peter Obi supporter oh.

Would he have even apologized if he wasn't codedly told to do so. Abegi bros leave matter.

GloriousGbola:


I am sure you have seen pictures of Japanese and brits queueing without any enforcement. We even saw this during the queen's funeral.

Can the average Nigerian wait patiently in a queue till his turn?

It starts from the way Nigerians are brought up, and the values instilled in them by society

Donjazet2:
Izzou and blueraydick, I expect an apology from both of you. There is nothing I did not say to prove to you guys how tinubu was running a highly tribal-charged campaign and running a politics of division as evidenced by those around him and hateful vitriol of his supporters.
You guys kept telling me tinubu is not a tribal person.

Well, he himself has come out to prove you wrong. Singling out a tribe for xenophobic and tribal narratives. As I said I expect that apology from you guys. Denying what was very obvious right from time.

https://gazettengr.com/igbos-overcrowding-lagos-because-obi-refused-to-develop-anambra-tinubu/

DissTroy:


Oh. Antecedence matters. And for Tinubu, it''s shrouded in secrecy.

izzou:

Nowhere did i mention Obi in my quotes to you. I wonder why it is coming up.

Rufai used the lane because he knew the laws were weak, and the institutions were not strong (he had the option of calling the governor in his mind, to override the law)

Let the law be forfeiture of vehicle if you pass the BRT lane. Let the government use people as examples, including people in power

Then come back and tell me if Rufai or Ikedia will have the balls to pass that lane in his lifetime.

BlueRayDick:




I think the problem here is u want to so much be able to say “I told u so!” . That’s probably why u didn’t see the mischief of the writer of that news piece for people’s Gazette .

The author quoted Tinubu’s speech and nowhere did he mention “Igbo’s overcrowding Lagos “ or any of the xenophobic tribal narratives u are arrogating to Tinubu . What Tinubu said is basically normal political talks aspirants say to demarket other aspirants ; in fact most of what he said at the event should not be new to u cos it has been repeated over and over on this thread.

Tinubu threw a dog at Obi that Anambran’s have overcrowded Lagos because Peter Obi their former governor didn’t do much to develop the state ; instead he only saved money while Anambrans are hungry . Nowhere did Tinubu single out the Igbo tribe like the author of the article alluded .

Saying Peter Obi didn’t do well in Anambra resulted in Anambrans trooping to Lagos is not the same thing as denigrating a whole tribe ( like u always say ) . Except u and the author are saying the moment Tinubu threw a dig at Peter Obi over his time as Anambra governor ; that Tinubu has already insulted all igbos .

I think what u are doing here is no different from what BATists have been doing trying to make at least one corruption allegation stick on Obi despite him not having a records of him being charged officially for any corruption case . I am not the greatest fan of Tinubu , but I don’t like to just form scenarios in my head just to paint him bad .

ShaqFu:
exactly what I'm saying. Knowing the laws are weak, yet you still do the right thing. Not break the law and start claiming to be a saint when you're far from it.

In this country, obeying the law and doing what is right will make people see you as a fool.

Come to think of it, Lagos state government have started impounding vehicles of traffic offenders. I remember the case of one guy who broke traffic law, his vehicle was auctioned only for Twitter users to start calling for people to make contributions to him to help him buy another vehicle.

Bros abeg make we leave matter for matthais.

izzou:

So after people talked and contributed on twitter, what happened next?

Lagos State government changed the law, baa?

Bros, pick one side. You are trying to be herr and there

ShaqFu:
of course they bad mouthed LASG and say whatever, like they're use to doing. It is among the things they will use to paint LASG bad....

I already picked a side.

Theflint1:
I get the point you're making, but will Tinubu say this same thing to an Atiku?

Him saying that Anambarians have left their state because of Peter Obi, what stat his he drawing from to make that assumption, none. What if people from Anambra are in fact the least populated Igbos in Lagos? Him referring to people from Anambra is him in fact referring to all Igbos, cause I'm very sure he's not working based off any stat to have come to the conclusion he has.

This thing Tinubu and others on Nairaland say is a form of ethnic dog whistling, while it's understandable if people on Nairaland not contesting for president of Nigeria to say it, it's totally out of place for Tinubu to be caught saying same.

izzou:

But the law is still there. It hasn't changed

So why are you using it as an example?

Laws that work is what makes a society sane.

ShaqFu:
laws don't work, laws are enforced and those who enforce it are people of repute, people that are devoid of religious and tribal sentiment.

izzou:

So which people of repute are enforcing the laws on one ways in Lagos?

One of the best electrical cables to use are Made in Nigeria ones (You can ask around). So which people of repute ensured that these cables are manufactured up to standard?

Suddenly, we don't have air crashes like before again. Which people of repute did FAAN hire to keep these checks in place?

Unlimited22:

Be careful with the response shaa. It is an app, not a doctor. It's just a tool, like his instruments are.

Theflint1:
I get the point you're making, but will Tinubu say this same thing to an Atiku?

Him saying that Anambarians have left their state because of Peter Obi, what stat his he drawing from to make that assumption, none. What if people from Anambra are in fact the least populated Igbos in Lagos? Him referring to people from Anambra is him in fact referring to all Igbos, cause I'm very sure he's not working based off any stat to have come to the conclusion he has.

This thing Tinubu and others on Nairaland say is a form of ethnic dog whistling, while it's understandable if people on Nairaland not contesting for president of Nigeria to say it, it's totally out of place for Tinubu to be caught saying same.

raumdeuter:


Just as we spoke about Real estate investment on this thread yesterday

Someone yesterday In Nigeria was telling me how a tenant in their boys quarters did illegal bypass electricity connection so he can avoid paying bills and the boys quarters caught fire from an electrical issue burning 3 other units

So the landlords investment is gone. And it's not like many people in Nigeria have insurance

So what are you going to do about that one now? That tenant will also claim Nigeria is corrupt while he can't even do what's right to his landlord

Seankafor every transaction in the world involves certain level of trust. The bank you are keeping your money how do you know they are not planning to run away with your deposit? The bus you enter how do you know the driver knows how to drive and he's not going to plunge you into a river? The mama put you eat how do you know she's not serving you with rotten animals?
The example of the nepa illegal connection do you expect Nepa to be coming into every house in Nigeria to be checking your connection daily to protect them

BTW Sean Ive been trying to ask for some time? did you resolve your project issue? NYSC and job market next right?

And how did you know your supervisor will read the work and not give your project to another student

You see the trust chain in every transaction you do

Even driving is based on the trust that those in opposite lane won't suddenly swerve to face you at speed

BlueRayDick:

I think the problem here is u want to so much be able to say “I told u so!” . That’s probably why u didn’t see the mischief of the writer of that news piece for people’s Gazette .

The author quoted Tinubu’s speech and nowhere did he mention “Igbo’s overcrowding Lagos “ or any of the xenophobic tribal narratives u are arrogating to Tinubu . What Tinubu said is basically normal political talks aspirants say to demarket other aspirants ; in fact most of what he said at the event should not be new to u cos it has been repeated over and over on this thread.

Tinubu threw a dog at Obi that Anambran’s have overcrowded Lagos because Peter Obi their former governor didn’t do much to develop the state ; instead he only saved money while Anambrans are hungry . Nowhere did Tinubu single out the Igbo tribe like the author of the article alluded .

Saying Peter Obi didn’t do well in Anambra resulted in Anambrans trooping to Lagos is not the same thing as denigrating a whole tribe ( like u always say ) . Except u and the author are saying the moment Tinubu threw a dig at Peter Obi over his time as Anambra governor ; that Tinubu has already insulted all igbos .

I think what u are doing here is no different from what BATists have been doing trying to make at least one corruption allegation stick on Obi despite him not having a records of him being charged officially for any corruption case . I am not the greatest fan of Tinubu , but I don’t like to just form scenarios in my head just to paint him bad .