benji93:
Yes, this is the most important study.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2465138/#!po=41.1111

And yes I did mention ScientificAmerican, but you may want to be careful referencing it. Be sure they are properly referencing their references.

You seem to be open to a nice exchange. So let's continue.

Would you like me to tell you why it's the most important paper to rely on? Or we can just move on?

Meliforme:


TheGoodJoe really took out the patience to tackle the misinformation that benji and Komekn were peddling, to think that they have zilch data to back up their claim made their argument deformed and boring. I kept away from the argument because TheGoodJoe is more than enough to handle them for the next ten years if the argument were to stretch up to that interval.

Congratulation to TheGoodJoe.

TheSuperNerd:
Osimhen tiring opponents with his pace and movement, says former Juventus midfielder Ametrano
By JOEL OMOTTO

Former Juventus and Napoli midfielder Raffaele Ametrano is impressed by Victor Osimhen’s skillset which he feels makes him difficult to mark.


WHAT HAPPENED? Osimhen is known for his pace, tenacity and aerial strength while also possessing a powerful shot, qualities that have made him one of the most feared strikers in the world.

The Nigeria international has displayed all these traits in his time in Italy, and Sunday’s Serie A meeting with Sampdoria was a prime example, when he spotted Mario Rui on the ball and sprinted into the box, getting in between the two centre-backs, before connecting well with the defender’s pass to slot home his 10th league goal of the season.

Mujtahida:

My point really is that the prevalence of age cheating, has provided good grounds for doubts to be cast on the age of our footballers.
Are there people who give their real ages? Yes. Look at the 93 u-17 set for example. Those guys were either 17 or thereabouts. But Chrisantus and his fellow grandpas were totally out of the range.

All I'm saying is that if people don't cheat, nobody will have grounds to even cast aspersions in the first place.

TheGoodJoe:


FEB 28, 2022
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My brother, we deserve some accolades.

TheSuperNerd:


TheGoodJoe on Osimhen and his movement dynamics in February 2022...

"You can see Morata dropped deep and ran towards the ball. After passing it, he turned and saw a gap in the defence and attacked the gap. Which made it easier for the player to find him in space to capitalize on it."


January 2023... Osimhen replicating this exact movement play right off TheGoodJoe's post.

The Kind of Progressive and Solution-filled analyses I love to see proved right.

Naaah.... Accolades have always been in order, My Good Man. Excellente!!!!

Odunayaw:
Please tell me why it's the most important and also tell me your deductions from it

benji93:
Great. The lead author Jiri Dvorak, was FIFA's chief medical officer and the chairman of the FIFA Medical Assessment and Research Centre at the time. In fact, he suggested the MRI. I believe he's no longer with FIFA now. You won't find any study as comprehensive.

Having said that let's fire away.

The figure below shows the sampling strategy. The examination protocol was performed in 4 countries: Switzerland, Malaysia, Argentina, and Algeria. Am I correct?
Pls check the picture against the article to be sure I am not lying or misrepresenting anything.

Danielnino00:


Since you are basing your statements on assumptions, how about this?
Ndidi that you claim might have falsified hid age has been playing professionally for 10 years now and is considered one of the best DM in the premier league and definitely top 10 in the world based on verifiable stats..Never mind his recent injury spells..
If Ndidi falsified his age, I don't think he would be playing so well at a top level at this stage..

Mujtahida:

My point really is that the prevalence of age cheating, has provided good grounds for doubts to be cast on the age of our footballers.
Are there people who give their real ages? Yes. Look at the 93 u-17 set for example. Those guys were either 17 or thereabouts. But Chrisantus and his fellow grandpas were totally out of the range.

All I'm saying is that if people don't cheat, nobody will have grounds to even cast aspersions in the first place.

komekn:


You are making huge assumptions about Ndidi',s quality and pedigree in the HERE and NOW. He is not in the top 10 in the world but any stretch of the imagination, that's your fantasy, wake up .

Ndidi is struggling to be first choice in Leicester City and you think he is in the top 10 in the EPL. Have you not noticed he hardly gets any interest from other top clubs in the EPL and across Europe.

Leicester are in the lower percentile of the EPL table and one loss away from being in the relegation zone.

MRI proves without a shadow of doubt that Ndidi was over the age of 17 how much over is open to debate. Could he have been 20/21 absolutely yes. That's a small physiological difference of 3-5 years but in football marketing terms and opportunity a WORLD of DIFFERENCE.

What the MRI does is prevent a mockery of the system. In 2009 we presented Uncles as U17 players when Fortune Chukwudi was held to account he was closer to 30 at the time. His response was, I am not the only one, why my me. He was actually right, nobody in that group was under U17.

Over time it's become apparent you have a preference for perception over facts, self birthed imaginative notions and fantasies.

You have moved away from facts and substantive deductions to wishy washy propositions without substance.

But let me descend with you and use your self birthed unit of measurement and a bit of comparison analysis. To show you how stupendously inept your proposition is.

We will use Omeruo for many here an outstanding top level defender, not me.

In 2009 he claimed to be 15 , do you or does anybody here believe that ❓ He is now 29 that's just 3 years older than Ndidi. Omeruo had been a consistent continuous average if not below average performer in his entire career. No real progression just average but always in the SE. So he had been able to perform continuous without break albeit averagely for 12 years.

Has anybody seen a 15 year old remain largely the same until he is 29 ❓ No change facial development , remain the same height, body structure, etc I have not.

The say a picture tells a thousand words and a video therefore a million words, IMO, for good measure.

Please look at 17 year old Iwobi both deh chop Oha soup with pounded yam and compare to a supposed 15 year old Omeruo and if you like 18 year old Ndidi. Make your own perception led deductions.

Shockingly Ndidi and Iwobi are the same age and Omeruo is only supposedly 3 years older than him. Picture of an 18 year old Ndidi at Genk in 2016 who failed an MRI scan in April 2013, that's 3 years earlier.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54QflUOpKo

benji93:
Do you know that the MRI was first introduced in 2009? The under 17 world cup was held in Nigeria. Ogenyi Onazi, Stanley Okoro, Omeruo, Olarenwaju Kayode, and Ramon Azeez must have passed the test that year. Can you believe those folks passed the test? Can you believe it?

Odunayaw:
Please tell me why it's the most important and also tell me your deductions from it

TheGoodJoe:


“It's not easy to mark Osimhen. He arrives with impressive clarity in the penalty area with the work he manages to do. If he manages to have physical and mental continuity, he will score a lot of goals between now and the end [of the season].”

Osimhen's improvement is such a joy to watch. He sees those spaces in the offensive areas with ease. With his pace, he beats the defenders with a bit of ease. We also need to give Spaletti some praise. He has really put in the work in those guys. Now they have to give the rest of the season a blast.

benji93:
Do you know that the MRI was first introduced in 2009? The under 17 world cup was held in Nigeria. Ogenyi Onazi, Stanley Okoro, Omeruo, Olarenwaju Kayode, and Ramon Azeez must have passed the test that year. Can you believe those folks passed the test? Can you believe it?

TheGoodJoe:


Crap. Ndidi was a small boy when he joined Coach Nduka Ugbade. Small pickin. He grew up under his watch. Think of another lie.

komekn:


Do you know to the blind man the moon � is dark .

You dismiss anything that doesn't fit your self birthed imaginative notions. Your just like a typical Nigerian politician no substances just noise, wind and fresh air.

Attacking me will not help your course.

The point is simple. When Ndidi started working with Nduka Ugbade, he was one of the smallest boys among his peers. After working with him for years, he watched Ndidi grow to one of the tallest kids.

He is sure Ndidi is a small boy and punches holes into the lies you are trying to spread. Try a better attack.

komekn:


You are making huge assumptions about Ndidi',s quality and pedigree in the HERE and NOW. He is not in the top 10 in the world but any stretch of the imagination, that's your fantasy, wake up .

Ndidi is struggling to be first choice in Leicester City and you think he is in the top 10 in the EPL. Have you not noticed he hardly gets any interest from other top clubs in the EPL and across Europe.

Leicester are in the lower percentile of the EPL table and one loss away from being in the relegation zone.

MRI proves without a shadow of doubt that Ndidi was over the age of 17 how much over is open to debate. Could he have been 20/21 absolutely yes. That's a small physiological difference of 3-5 years but in football marketing terms and opportunity a WORLD of DIFFERENCE.

What the MRI does is prevent a mockery of the system. In 2009 we presented Uncles as U17 players when Fortune Chukwudi was held to account he was closer to 30 at the time. His response was, I am not the only one, why my me. He was actually right, nobody in that group was under U17.

Over time it's become apparent you have a preference for perception over facts, self birthed imaginative notions and fantasies.

You have moved away from facts and substantive deductions to wishy washy propositions without substance.

But let me descend with you and use your self birthed unit of measurement and a bit of comparison analysis. To show you how stupendously inept your proposition is.

We will use Omeruo for many here an outstanding top level defender, not me.

In 2009 he claimed to be 15 , do you or does anybody here believe that ❓ He is now 29 that's just 3 years older than Ndidi. Omeruo had been a consistent continuous average if not below average performer in his entire career. No real progression just average but always in the SE. So he had been able to perform continuous without break albeit averagely for 12 years.

Has anybody seen a 15 year old remain largely the same until he is 29 ❓ No change facial development , remain the same height, body structure, etc I have not.

The say a picture tells a thousand words and a video therefore a million words, IMO, for good measure.

Please look at 17 year old Iwobi both deh chop Oha soup with pounded yam and compare to a supposed 15 year old Omeruo and if you like 18 year old Ndidi. Make your own perception led deductions.

Shockingly Ndidi and Iwobi are the same age and Omeruo is only supposedly 3 years older than him. Picture of an 18 year old Ndidi at Genk in 2016 who failed an MRI scan in April 2013, that's 3 years earlier.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54QflUOpKo

Danielnino00:


Dey play... MRI wasn't mandatory in 2009 and only a few players were subjected to the test . It wasn't until 2013 that it was adopted on a large scale

TheGoodJoe:

WE STILL WAITING.

Mujtahida:

My point really is that the prevalence of age cheating, has provided good grounds for doubts to be cast on the age of our footballers.
Are there people who give their real ages? Yes. Look at the 93 u-17 set for example. Those guys were either 17 or thereabouts. But Chrisantus and his fellow grandpas were totally out of the range.

All I'm saying is that if people don't cheat, nobody will have grounds to even cast aspersions in the first place.

benji93:
Yes, you are correct, at least in general. However, the captain of the side fortune Chukwudi seemingly passed the first and second tests at Abuja. As reported here.
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/11/over-age-scandalhow-nff-bigwigs-helped-eaglets-evade-2nd-mri-test/
It's actually quite suspect to want to conduct a second test on a sample of players. More like you are saying, our old papas cannot fail the test. I mean we are hosting the tournament, we cannot just be kicked out.

Certainly, there are medical situations that require repeated testing. I am not sure this is one of them. It is 99% accurate.

Danielnino00:


The articled can be summarized like this

1) There were questions as to how Chukwudi and other players passed the first MRI test which raised doubt as to whether the test was conducted on them at all

2) Chukwudi and the suspected players failed to show up for the second scan which further casted doubts on their participation in the first scan

3) The MRI scan in 2009 wasn't made mandatory by FIFA.. It was easy for corruption to set in as it was voluntarily done by the NFF.

Based on all these, using 2009 as a case study for the authenticity of the MRI is pointless.. it wasnt a properly documented process...

TheGoodJoe:
cc: benji93

O! ye academia, come furnish us with your intelligence beyond world-renowned Radiographers.

Danielnino00:


First of all, bring any statistical ranking of the top 10 defensive midfielders in the world from at least 5 respectable sports websites and let's see if Ndidi name won't be there.
You're being hypocritical as usual. Ndidi had been battling injuries of recent which has limited his starting role in the team. He is fully fit now and has started the last few games and even captained them once. Does that sound like a man who isn't assured of a starting shirt in his team?
I dare you to bring the list of the top 10 DM in the world in recent years...

Don't bring Omeruo into the discussion... I don't have any argument in support of our national team u-17 products of the pre 2013 set.. Ndidi's age and form is the discussion here..

It's funny you will add Iwobi who was born in the same Nigeria that doesn't have automatic data capture at birth.... Going by your logic, Iwobi's age should be under question too..

Meanwhile,below is Ndidi in 2013 supposedly aged 16.. the year he failed MRI

Danielnino00:


The articled can be summarized like this

1) There were questions as to how Chukwudi and other players passed the first MRI test which raised doubt as to whether the test was conducted on them at all

2) Chukwudi and the suspected players failed to show up for the second scan which further casted doubts on their participation in the first scan

3) The MRI scan in 2009 wasn't made mandatory by FIFA.. It was easy for corruption to set in as it was voluntarily done by the NFF.

Based on all these, using 2009 as a case study for the authenticity of the MRI is pointless.. it wasnt a properly documented process...

benji93:
Great. The lead author Jiri Dvorak, was FIFA's chief medical officer and the chairman of the FIFA Medical Assessment and Research Centre at the time. In fact, he suggested the MRI. I believe he's no longer with FIFA now. You won't find any study as comprehensive.

Having said that let's fire away.

The figure below shows the sampling strategy. The examination protocol was performed in 4 countries: Switzerland, Malaysia, Argentina, and Algeria. Am I correct?
Pls check the picture against the article to be sure I am not lying or misrepresenting anything.

benji93:
Oh no, I am actually not basing my argument on 2009. It was the snack. Just threw that out there after I saw what someone else posted. My main argument is based on the article and its references. How many times will I repeat this? Listen. Listen. Apparently, there's someone else willing to do the mile, at least it seems so. Hopefully, he doesn't get lost too. You and@Goodjoe cannot follow anything. Just jumping from A to D. Calm down. Step by step.

komekn:


An educated person will read , analyse and then make informed commentary.

And you are asking him to tell you what ❓

It's the kind of question a village illiterate will ask, whaaten the book talk �️ because he can't read and write.

Your question ❓ Says a lot about you and it's not exemplary.

komekn:


You are changing the narrative shamelessly without restraint.

I introduced the narrative of the 2009 U17 supposed youth team as a direct response TO YOU and your misguided proposition. Not benji93

You presented a obnoxious proposition based on perceptive preference not substance. I then used the framework of that nonsensical proposition to show you how inept it was.

I then used comparison analysis with that same inept proposition. Using unscientific observation that it is quite compelling and you still cannot concede that Ndidi failed the MRI test and is definitely not 26.

You should not be so evasive , your question ❓ should be directed to me not benji93