IjeBos:


Getting close. Even a declassified document would still be government property and not for Trump to keep. Even with evidence that Trump declassified them (There is 0 evidence yet and hasn't even claimed so in court), he still would have to return them. The difference in the Biden situation, Biden handed over everything that was in the same place as the documents that were classified out of an abundance of caution so the government can look and see what is theirs. Think about this for a sec. As to the classification, if Trump did declassify them, why not just say so in court and put the matter behind him? Why keep it secret?

Look, even the fact that we are hearing about this tells you something. How easy would it have been for Biden to just destroy the documents and not report them in the first location and even the 2nd? Instead he turned them in and walked into a political firestorm.

And they have only been found in 2 locations.

IjeBos:
DOJ will appoint special prosecutor. As I said Dems will always be Dems. They always let their decisions be influence by Republican propaganda. Look at the speed of appointing a special prosecutor for Biden vs. Trump.

IjeBos:
DOJ will appoint special prosecutor. As I said Dems will always be Dems. They always let their decisions be influence by Republican propaganda. Look at the speed of appointing a special prosecutor for Biden vs. Trump.

saxywale2:

That was fast. It appears Democrats are always quick to go after their own.

LordAdam16:


He already broke precedent with the Mar-A-Lago raid. Sessions established precedent with the Steele Dossier necessitating a special counsel.

And there's literally a Church-style committee being set up in the House to probe the DOJ.

He pretty much had to appoint an SC.

Nonetheless, I don't believe anything will come of the investigation.

-Lord

saxywale2:

I like the precedent. Justice being blind should apply to all.

Attorney General Merrick B. Garland on Thursday appointed Robert K. Hur, a veteran prosecutor who worked in the Trump administration, to handle the investigation into how classified documents from President Biden’s time as vice president ended up at his private office and home.

Mr. Hur, who is a partner at the white-collar law firm Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, had been appointed by Mr. Trump as the U.S. attorney for the District of Maryland in 2018, leaving that position when the Trump administration ended.

LordAdam16:


He already broke precedent with the Mar-A-Lago raid. Sessions established precedent with the Steele Dossier necessitating a special counsel.

And there's literally a Church-style committee being set up in the House to probe the DOJ.

He pretty much had to appoint an SC.

Nonetheless, I don't believe anything will come of the investigation.

-Lord

IjeBos:


Is it really blind if you are basing your actions on political machinations? People removing Classified documents is not a rare thing. Usually the National archives gets called in and if necessary calls in the FBI. Trump's was different as he wouldn't give them back despite the national archives request, the DOJ request, a subpoena and a FBI search warrant. What necessitated a special prosecutor in this case? The Reps work the refs and always get rewarded. Dems are so weak. And not only did it not really necessitate a special prosecutor he chose a Republican appointed one. It's always the same, Dems choosing Republican FBI directors (Comey, Wray) and Republicans still calling them biased. Even when a Republican picks a Republican special prosecutor (Mueller), Republicans still call them biased.

What these action do is create an unequal application of Justice in Republicans favor.

saxywale2:

I believe he brought in the special procecutor to insulate the Justice department from accusations of partisanship. I agree to an extent that Republicans need to cool down. I won't be suprised that If this special prosecutor finds nothing, they would likely tag him a RINO or deep state.

It's also important that Trump lost alot of election fraud cases, and a good number where thrown out by Republican appointed judges and some also appointed by Trump himself.

saxywale2:

I believe he brought in the special procecutor to insulate the Justice department from accusations of partisanship. I agree to an extent that Republicans need to cool down. I won't be suprised that If this special prosecutor finds nothing, they would likely tag him a RINO or deep state.

It's also important that Trump lost alot of election fraud cases, and a good number where thrown out by Republican appointed judges and some also appointed by Trump himself.

IjeBos:


Is it really blind if you are basing your actions on political machinations? People removing Classified documents is not a rare thing. Usually the National archives gets called in and if necessary calls in the FBI. Trump's was different as he wouldn't give them back despite the national archives request, the DOJ request, a subpoena and a FBI search warrant. What necessitated a special prosecutor in this case? The Reps work the refs and always get rewarded. Dems are so weak. And not only did it not really necessitate a special prosecutor he chose a Republican appointed one. It's always the same, Dems choosing Republican FBI directors (Comey, Wray) and Republicans still calling them biased. Even when a Republican picks a Republican special prosecutor (Mueller), Republicans still call them biased. It's like the abused wife, saying only if I do this, to just get abused the next day.

What these action do is create an unequal application of Justice in Republicans favor.

Sorry dude, just frustrated. Not sure why I even vote Democratic.

IjeBos:


You have 0 idea what you are talking about. What precedent did the Mar-A-Lago raid break? What precedent did Sessions establish?
What Church style commission in the House? What makes a House committee a Church Style commission. Do you even know what the Church committee was about? Be specific.

People repeating things without an inkling as to what they are talking about. The propaganda is real.

LordAdam16:


Guy, I repeat, rest.

You were the one yapping about how it's different with Biden. Yarning dust about intent, when anyone with two brain cells could tell the issue was about mishandling. And while you were making a f**l of yourself, Garland was confirming what every informed person was harping about.

So I have no reason to entertain your oafish nature any further.

You're a Biden leg-humper, continue waiting for Massa's directive.

Imagine asking "What precedent did the Mar-A-Lago raid break?" And you expect me to give you attention.

Shift! Oh, and continue venting.

-Lord

wirinet:


The two cases were not about mishandling. Mishandling was never an excuse presented by Trump nor his lawyers, except to want to make that argument for them.

LordAdam16:


Guy, I repeat, rest.

You were the one yapping about how it's different with Biden. Yarning dust about intent, when anyone with two brain cells could tell the issue was about mishandling. And while you were making a f**l of yourself, Garland was confirming what every informed person was harping about.

So I have no reason to entertain your oafish nature any further.

You're a Biden leg-humper, continue waiting for Massa's directive.

Imagine asking "What precedent did the Mar-A-Lago raid break?" And you expect me to give you attention.

Shift! Oh, and continue venting.

-Lord

IjeBos:


Is it really blind if you are basing your actions on political machinations? People removing Classified documents is not a rare thing. Usually the National archives gets called in and if necessary calls in the FBI. Trump's was different as he wouldn't give them back despite the national archives request, the DOJ request, a subpoena and a FBI search warrant. What necessitated a special prosecutor in this case? The Reps work the refs and always get rewarded. Dems are so weak. And not only did it not really necessitate a special prosecutor he chose a Republican appointed one. It's always the same, Dems choosing Republican FBI directors (Comey, Wray) and Republicans still calling them biased. Even when a Republican picks a Republican special prosecutor (Mueller), Republicans still call them biased. It's like the abused wife, saying only if I do this, to just get abused the next day.

What these action do is create an unequal application of Justice in Republicans favor.

Sorry dude, just frustrated. Not sure why I even vote Democratic.

LordAdam16:


Guy, I repeat, rest.

You were the one yapping about how it's different with Biden. Yarning dust about intent, when anyone with two brain cells could tell the issue was about mishandling. And while you were making a f**l of yourself, Garland was confirming what every informed person was harping about.

So I have no reason to entertain your oafish nature any further.

You're a Biden leg-humper, continue waiting for Massa's directive.

Imagine asking "What precedent did the Mar-A-Lago raid break?" And you expect me to give you attention.

Shift! Oh, and continue venting.

-Lord

wirinet:


I agree with you 100%. Democrats always allow Republicans to blackmail and manipulate them. And that's why they are percieved as weak. Republicans will never allow democrats to dictate to them. Why will Merrick Garland hurriedly appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Biden's found classified documents before FBI conclude their preliminary investigations? Then why always appoint a Republican prosecutor? Even if they appoint Rudy Gulianni or even Trump himself as prosecutor, as long as the report does not indict Biden, it will be dismissed and rejected.

LordAdam16:


You just jump enter middle of conversation, drop rubbish as usual.

Mishandling of classified documents is a prosecutorial charge. It's the primary allegation in Biden's case. It is one of the allegations in Trump's case. That's why they were running stories about how he flushed and tore up sensitive documents.

It's not meant to be an excuse.

Keep up. And next time avoid the temptation to misyarn.

If you have nothing sensible to say. SHUT UP!

-Lord

wirinet:


It's you that misyarn continuously in your desperate attempt to defend Trump.
Ordinarily Mishandling of classified document is not a serious crime. It is with an intent to retain them at an unauthorised location that makes it a serious crime. Keyword intent. Just like Murder, you have to prove intent.

Now between the Biden's case and Trump's case, which one will it be easier to prove intent?

SlyFoxxLivesOn:


Keep crying. The special prosecutor is the least of your problems. You should be more worried about how Jim Jordan is about to completely expose your criminal president and the rampant corruption across all his administration and law enforcement agencies as chair of the house judicial committee. You people set so many wicked precedents because of your deranged, almost psychotic, hatred for one man. See how much you enjoy it when the tables are turned. Republicans want nothing but revenge at this pint. NOTHING else matters. When we get even then government can go back to normal. This is what y’all wanted.

wirinet:


I take God beg you, ignore my mentions.
I ignore yours, courtesy demands you ignore mine too.

wirinet:


I take God beg you, ignore my mentions.
I ignore yours, courtesy demands you ignore mine too.

wirinet:


I take God beg you, ignore my mentions.
I ignore yours, courtesy demands you ignore mine too.

IjeBos:


This made me laugh.
You sir are a scholar and a gentleman. lol.

IjeBos:


I was trying to be civil with you but you keep calling me out my name. This is the problem with idiots like yourself. You have little of understanding of how little you know.

Here is one of the laws that Trump will most likely be prosecuted under and the law that at the moment Biden is being investigated for.

18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
(a)Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
(b)For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).
(c)In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.


You see that "knowingly" and "intent" there? So, no, it's not just about removing classified documents, it's about knowingly removing classified documents with an intent to retain them. Something Trump almost admitted to, by "negotiating" to return them.

I have little time to suffer fools. You don't even know what you are arguing or how stupid you look doing it. Read more yourself and stop allowing whatever propaganda you watch to tell you how and what to think.

LordAdam16:


Yes.

And Biden unknowingly and unintentionally moved and retained classified materials to his office at Penn and his garage where they remained for 6 years.

And in your informed opinion, Garland goofed by appointing a SC because there is nothing to see there. So how long can he retain these classified documents before it becomes a problem? 10 years. 20 years. Forever?

For the umpteenth time, Trump was POTUS. He argues he declassified them, so the "knowingly" and "intent" was authorized. Not unauthorized as is the case with Biden. Biden can only plead ignorance, which he's gotten used to doing anyway.

See why I call you a Biden leg-humper? Respect yourself and rest.

-Lord

wirinet:


He certainly will find nothing. Even though some of the documents were labelled classified, [/b]I doubt there would be top secret/sensitive compartmented information among them.[b]

Republicans loves to justify their crimes with whataboutism. How can someone compare Trump willfully taking top secret/sensitive compartmented information to his home and refusing to return them after National Archives and FBI asked for them for one full year with Biden's Lawyers stumbling into classified documents at Bidens office(s) and immediately informing National Archives and returning them back.

Why some people have the instinct to defend Trump at all cost should be a subject for psychologists