Banilla:
Do you think maybe Jesus was settling an example? That as christains bear their crosses, it's not a sin to believe they have been forsaken by God? Like, he was human when he was killed. Maybe he acted like one.

TenQ

TenQ:

Psalm 22 is NOT a coincidence!

Banilla:
■Do you think maybe Jesus was settling an example? That as christains bear their crosses, it's not a sin to believe they have been forsaken by God?
■Like, he was human when he was killed. Maybe he acted like one.

Kobojunkie:
1. Definitely not! He was hung on a cross to die, that is a curse according to the Old Covenant.

2. Anyone who is forsaken by God is cursed and so not fit to broach the presence of God at all since that which is unholy cannot enter into the presence of God. By dying and overcoming the curse and death, Jesus Christ was then able to set free all those who choose Him from the curse of God upon them by virtue of the Old Law of Moses. Yes, He was human and did experience pain but what He said was God's Truth.

Banilla:
He could have used it to make this point.

Banilla:
■What I meant is this... If I'm a christian going through bad times (persecution, maybe), then it's not a sin to 'question' God (ask why you're going through such, even though you know it's all part of the plan).
■People say we should never doubt, but we're human. Maybe even Jesus felt forsaken because of this. He agreed but the pain was a lot to bear.
I'm just trying to understand that part.

AntiChristian:


Even Jesus was called mad by his family in Mark 3:21.

TenQ:

Except the OP is Dumb and is under the bondage of Satan!

Kobojunkie:
If you read John 8 vs 29 with your glasses on, you would see that Jesus Christ made clear that only applied as long as He was not in violation of God- Deuteronomy 21:22–23.

AntiChristian:
■Wetin concern John with Deuteronomy? You can just tell me every biblical rules changes when Jesus is involved.

And Jesus isn't a man who committed any offense to be cursed by the same God who sent him!

AntiChristian:
So this makes "And the One who sent me is with me; he did not abandon me to myself, because I always do the things pleasing to him.” John 8:29 false!

AntiChristian:


Where's John 8:29 in all your prose?

You're the ignorant one here!

TenQ:

John 8:29:
"And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him."

How do you reconcile it with what the Messiah was prophesied to say in Psalm 22.
If the Messiah did NOT say such, would he still be the Messiah?

AntiChristian:


The OP is not to reconcile John 8:29 with your Psalm verse but with the fact that Jesus was left alone on the cross by the God that sent him.

AntiChristian:
The OP is not to reconcile John 8:29 with your Psalm verse but with the fact that Jesus was left alone on the cross by the God that sent him.

Kobojunkie:
Again, Jesus Christ was forsaken by YHWH before His death on the cross as a cross as a result of the curse. However, by His own authority, Jesus Christ rose from the dead - John 10 vs 14 - 18 - overcoming both the curse and Death in doing so. He submitted and obeyed YHWH until His very end.

AntiChristian:
■It wasn't stated precisely anywhere that Jesus was forsaken just prior to the crucifixtion!
■It was not stated anywhere that Jesus had an capital offense to be crucified of. Jesus was never cursed!

22 If someone guilty of a capital offense is put to death and their body is exposed on a pole, 23 you must not leave the body hanging on the pole overnight. Be sure to bury it that same day, because anyone who is hung on a pole is under God’s curse. You must not desecrate the land the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.

22 “A man might be guilty of a sin that must be punished by death. People might kill him and hang his body on a tree.
23 You must not let that body stay on the tree overnight. You must be sure to bury this man on the same day, because the one who hangs on a tree is cursed by God, and you must not let the land that the Lord your God is giving you become unclean. - Deuteronomy 21 s 22 - 23

Kobojunkie:
1. How could He have been forsaken prior to the crucifixion when the crucifixion is the reason for which He was forsaken?

2. What Deuteronomy 21 vs 22 - 23 states, quite clearly mind you, is that the curse is as a result of being hung on a tree to die, and not because of any prior sins one may have committed or not.
Following that which is clearly depicted in the above passage, even an innocent man who is hung on a tree is cursed, just for being hung on the tree to die.

AntiChristian:
■The only reason God would forsake Jesus according to John John 8:29 is when he does what displeases God.
■ Yeah, i quite agree! So it doesn't matter whether a person sins or not. Once anyone is condemned and hanged on the cross or tree like this the person is cursed by your God and hence forsaken!

Kobojunkiee:
1. Yes, the curses listed in Deuteronomy 28 apply as far as those who disobey God, and yes, Jesus Christ lived His life in submission and obedience to God's Old Law or Moses as an Israelite. However, the curse in Deuteronomy 21 vs 22 - 23 is not as a result of disobedience or anything a one does.

2. Pretty much what it says there and hence what happened to Jesus Christ.

AntiChristian:
■No, Jesus must have disobeyed God.
-■The Book of John supersedes/abrogates the Deuteronomic verse.
■Not fair from a Merciful God!

Kobojunkiee:
1. So, tell us then what Jesus Christ did to disobey God?

2. You arrived at this claim of yours how?

3. Not fair? Well, are you to tell God what laws He can or cannot to His own people? If the people to whom the law was given did not see fit to complain, who you?

AntiChristian:
■How will i know? The details of Jesus's lifetime from 1-30 years are largely not in the Bible.
■Because Jesus won't contradict himself vis a vis John 8:29 vs Deuteronomy 21 vs 22 - 23.
■ Because God said He would never forsake his own. Psalm 94:14, Romans 11:2, 1 Samuel 12:22, Psalm 9:10 and Psalm 37:28

Banilla:

You behave like a spawn of satan.

You are obnoxious! Toxic! Hateful! Ignorant! Anti-christian!

You think you would make heaven with this bad character of yours?

You behave like a spawn of satan.

dazzlingd:


lol, last word.

But do u know jesus is a thief

AntiChristian:


He was in Physical body, so can a physical body die for all humans?

Dtruthspeaker:


If The Debtor accepts His death to cover all humans, then it is done.

And the Debtor did say He accepted His Death.

AntiChristian:


Na Babalawo, accountant or both?

Dtruthspeaker:


So ontop of your penis sucking and penis riding, you are a thief. Your living is even getting shorter, you would soon be burnt even faster, thieving pigly homosexual.

Kobojunkiee:
1. So, you ignore the fact that Jesus Christ declared He was forsaken on the cross... all so you can chase after a phantom idea that He must have sinned instead.. OK.

2. If you believe Jesus Christ didn't contradict Himself then why do you keep insisting He did by pretending that the same Law and Will of the Father which He, Jesus Christ, made clear He lived in submission and obedience, took on a place to lesser importance?

3. Those very same texts also explain to you that those who belong to God are those who are not in violation of any of God's Law. If God says anyone who is hung on a tree to die violated His very Law, does that mean such a person belongs to Him still?

Dtruthspeaker:


Your sense obviously loss when you dey ask weda One person fit pay for all.

dazzlingd:

Lol. I think you have accepted the fact that you know jesus is powerless and a useless bstd child. He cant defend himself, that's why u fight for him. You and your jesus will collect slap.

dazzlingd:


Lol. I think you have accepted the fact that you know jesus is powerless and a useless bstd child. He cant defend himself, that's why u fight for him. You and your jesus will collect slap.