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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 7:44pm On Mar 07, 2023
TheGoodJoe:


The team failed to qualify due to sabotage. They were dumped on a pitch with poor drainage and were hindered from playing their brand of football.

No matter the negativity, they played about fifty games and only lost one. If it was a league, they would have been top.

The lack of exposure hindered their growth, but it does not mean they were not good.

The fact is that we can run a healthy program with open trials and comprehensive screening.

The bolded should put the discussion to bed.. the players are good,but they didn't have the exposure.... So why should we continue toeing that path when it isn't producing results?
There are numerous football academies across the country that these street players can be recruited into for long term football development rather than the short term approach that the national youth team provides ..

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:48pm On Mar 07, 2023
Danielnino00:


The bolded should put the discussion to bed.. the players are good,but they didn't have the exposure.... So why should we continue toeing that path when it isn't producing results?
There are numerous football academies across the country that these street players can be recruited into for long term football development rather than the short term approach that the national youth team provides ..

I am talking of after the U20. A successful U20 would have beamed the spotlight on them and some would have made it like the u17.

No one is against the academy recruits.

We said open trials and let them compete against the academy recruits. Those players better than the academy recruits should play.

It is about getting the best. Not just selecting academy recruits.

Open trials. Professional players, academy recruits, and street players, etc. Select the best from them.

If the academy player is not better, why should he go ahead of a street boy that is better than him?

Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by hatakekakashi: 8:16pm On Mar 07, 2023
Danielnino00:


The problem with EPL team is that their fans are quick to turn on players when the team is underperforming...They run out of patience quickly... I don't want him to join Man Utd for obvious reasons cheesy. Plus there's a general belief among fans that Man Utd isn't favorable to African players..

IMO, Bayern,Madrid or PSG soil be good for him....those are clubs were he can score well and is guaranteed at least a trophy every season
You're very right sha, EPL teams have a lot of fans like that. But the guy has his sight firmly set on the PL though I'm 100% sure if the likes of Bayern and Madrid come knocking, he won't say no.

If he chooses Man United, he's coming to take the no.9 shirt and be the starting striker. And if he puts in the extra work like he's been doing at Napoli, ETH will never bench him no matter what fans say. Take Weghorst for example.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by hatakekakashi: 8:20pm On Mar 07, 2023
mostob:
Arsenal won't go for him. Although, I would like to have him at arsenal but he is just not Arteta's type of striker.
You don't say o, if Pep can sign Haaland then I'm sure Arteta can tweak his system too. The problem is, where will G. Jesus play?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 8:24pm On Mar 07, 2023
codemaniacs:


Street can't beat academy in terms of raw talent...

All the best players in the world weren't picked from the streets they were in all in academies.

I’m not talking about the world

Last time i check I wasn’t complaining about the world u20
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 8:24pm On Mar 07, 2023
TheGoodJoe:


The U20 does not work like that. Why do you think Emmanuel Amunike was able to play about 50 matches with his U20 team? It was because he camped for a long time with them.

The idea is to have a team of quality professional and academy-trained players, while you built a top-grade team B made from scouting through open trials. Then towards the regular camping, you do the final screening. The aim is to find the best players, not the best opportuned players.

Finito.
I have a question.

Where are the u20 boys of that set now?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 8:26pm On Mar 07, 2023
Odunayaw:
Take raw talents to a competition?

Pick a mixture of street (pro league or amateur league) and we’ll known academy together mash them up watch before comes June we’ll see something good
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 8:29pm On Mar 07, 2023
TheGoodJoe:


I am talking of after the U20. A successful U20 would have beamed the spotlight on them and some would have made it like the u17.

No one is against the academy recruits.

We said open trials and let them compete against the academy recruits. Those players better than the academy recruits should play.

It is about getting the best. Not just selecting academy recruits.

Open trials. Professional players, academy recruits, and street players, etc. Select the best from them.

If the academy player is not better, why should he go ahead of a street boy that is better than him?

Finito.

This was how it was done before.

But now players management don book spot for their candidates 😂

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 8:40pm On Mar 07, 2023
Danielnino00:


The bolded should put the discussion to bed.. the players are good,but they didn't have the exposure.... So why should we continue toeing that path when it isn't producing results?
There are numerous football academies across the country that these street players can be recruited into for long term football development rather than the short term approach that the national youth team provides ..

Name 10 in each states 😂
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by codemaniacs: 8:48pm On Mar 07, 2023
TheGoodJoe:



Open trials. Professional players, academy recruits, and street players, etc. Select the best from them.

If the academy player is not better, why should he go ahead of a street boy that is better than him?

Finito.

A street boy cannot be better than an academy player. An academy player is a professional footballer while a street boy is complete amateur footballer.

It's the same reason you won't visit a street doctor over a university graduate doctor with 10 years experience.

Someone who joins an academy at 10 years old will have at least 8 years experience of professional football before he/she is 20 years old compared to a street footballer who has no professional experience.

Academy players play on grass from a young age while street footballers play on concrete, sand, bumpy grass, wood e.t.c. so most street players especially in Africa have poor ball control and movement.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Amedino99(m): 8:49pm On Mar 07, 2023
typicalgamer:


Pick a mixture of street (pro league or amateur league) and we’ll known academy together mash them up watch before comes June we’ll see something good
lmao. tournament wey go start by may
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 9:13pm On Mar 07, 2023
Amedino99:
lmao. tournament wey go start by may

No be now I’m talking about na my guy.

Listen why i called for street kids (local league players)

Before a major tournament

You would have done your trials like 2 years before, round your 26man up since they have no academy (club side ) obligations you’ll drill them play them against top sides both overage Npfl sides and all.

Then 2 years later when it’s time for the tourney tell me how they’ll disappoint even if they don’t win it
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 9:16pm On Mar 07, 2023
codemaniacs:


A street boy cannot be better than an academy player. An academy player is a professional footballer while a street boy is complete amateur footballer.

It's the same reason you won't visit a street doctor over a university graduate doctor with 10 years experience.

Someone who joins an academy at 10 years old will have at least 8 years experience of professional football before he/she is 20 years old compared to a street footballer who has no professional experience.

Academy players play on grass from a young age while street footballers play on concrete, sand, bumpy grass, wood e.t.c. so most street players especially in Africa have poor ball control and movement.

You must be talking about 1966 street football lol

Who plays ball on roads nowadays when they’re good pitches all over the place.

I’ll stand by my statement as long as you’re still an academy player oga you’re not light years above a street player.

You need to go out more

Saying street boys play on road and with empty legs 😂

I got kids in my neighborhood that would walk into this u20 team without a sweat .

Like it’s literally a walk in the park
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:36pm On Mar 07, 2023
codemaniacs:


A street boy cannot be better than an academy player. An academy player is a professional footballer while a street boy is complete amateur footballer.

It's the same reason you won't visit a street doctor over a university graduate doctor with 10 years experience.

Someone who joins an academy at 10 years old will have at least 8 years experience of professional football before he/she is 20 years old compared to a street footballer who has no professional experience.

Academy players play on grass from a young age while street footballers play on concrete, sand, bumpy grass, wood e.t.c. so most street players especially in Africa have poor ball control and movement.

Let me repeat it again, Mikel Obi was discovered by Babawo Mohammed, taken to Kashimawo Laloko, who was the person that opened Pepsi Football Academy. As soon as Laloko watched Mikel Obi play, he said he knew he had found the best player in the country.

That was a street footballer, and few years from there stood out training for Manchester United.

It totally defeats your point.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 9:42pm On Mar 07, 2023
hatakekakashi:

You don't say o, if Pep can sign Haaland then I'm sure Arteta can tweak his system too. The problem is, where will G. Jesus play?
The last sentence (question) is exactly my point. I really hope Arsenal sign him. He will really 'lead' our team in UCL.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:43pm On Mar 07, 2023
codemaniacs:


A street boy cannot be better than an academy player. An academy player is a professional footballer while a street boy is complete amateur footballer.

It's the same reason you won't visit a street doctor over a university graduate doctor with 10 years experience.

Someone who joins an academy at 10 years old will have at least 8 years experience of professional football before he/she is 20 years old compared to a street footballer who has no professional experience.

Academy players play on grass from a young age while street footballers play on concrete, sand, bumpy grass, wood e.t.c. so most street players especially in Africa have poor ball control and movement.
What academy offers is tactics especially, a lot of technical play can be developed on the street. Listen to Naby Keita.

“I was never exposed to the professional side of the game,” Keita explains. “I didn’t grow up in an academy, everything I knew was from the street. I would get the ball, I would run with it, show some skill to beat a player and score.

“During these trials, coaches were asking me to do things I’d never heard of! They were using football terms that I couldn’t understand and giving instructions that I had no clue about. I didn’t know about tactics and when I was rejected that is what I was told.”

It was only six years ago when Keita received that crushing feedback, and yet now, you would struggle to find a midfielder as astute and effective as him both offensively and defensively. Schalke director Christian Heidel aptly exclaimed that Leipzig possess a “12th player” because "Naby is like two, this boy is incomprehensible”.


https://www.goal.com/story/naby-keita-goal-50-exclusive/index.html


Six years from a street footballer, he became one of the best midfielders in Europe. Better than hundreds of kids in Germany that grew up in some of the best academies in the world.

That is what the scouting of street talents can do. If it is us, we will abandon a talent like Naby Keita because he was not 8 years old in academy.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 9:51pm On Mar 07, 2023
TheGoodJoe:


Let me repeat it again, Mikel Obi was discovered by Babawo Mohammed, taken to Kashimawo Laloko, who was the person that opened Pepsi Football Academy. As soon as Laloko watched Mikel Obi played, he said he knew he has found the best player in the country.

That was a street footballer, and few years from there stood out training for Manchester United.

It totally defeats your point.
Emma Olisadebe ex Poland international was a pure street footballer.We played the game together in Ilorin but I want tell you as at then he was better than most NPFL players.He waas number one striker on the lips of coaches during world university games ahead of NPFL highest goal scorer Edith Agoye....imagine a street footballer benched NPFL top scorer and really surprised seeing a street footballer taken Poland to WC and got nominated for World footballer of the year.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 9:58pm On Mar 07, 2023
TheGoodJoe:

What academy offers is tactics especially, a lot of technical play can be developed on the street. Listen to Naby Keita.

“I was never exposed to the professional side of the game,” Keita explains. “I didn’t grow up in an academy, everything I knew was from the street. I would get the ball, I would run with it, show some skill to beat a player and score.

“During these trials, coaches were asking me to do things I’d never heard of! They were using football terms that I couldn’t understand and giving instructions that I had no clue about. I didn’t know about tactics and when I was rejected that is what I was told.”

It was only six years ago when Keita received that crushing feedback, and yet now, you would struggle to find a midfielder as astute and effective as him both offensively and defensively. Schalke director Christian Heidel aptly exclaimed that Leipzig possess a “12th player” because "Naby is like two, this boy is incomprehensible”.


https://www.goal.com/story/naby-keita-goal-50-exclusive/index.html


Six years from a street footballer, he became one of the best midfielders in Europe. Better than hundreds of kids in Germany that grew up in some of the best academies in the world.

That is what the scouting of street talents can do. If it is us, we will abandon a talent like Naby Keita because he was not 8 years old in academy.
Ademola Lookman was discovered from the street and we have players like that who don’t have the opportunity of going to academy.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 10:20pm On Mar 07, 2023
Wow, onyedika is very similar to Bernado Silva 🥱🥱🥱
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 10:31pm On Mar 07, 2023
charlesemeka85:
Wow, onyedika is very similar to Bernado Silva 🥱🥱🥱
Is he playing poorly? I believe he came in as a 2nd half sub.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 10:54pm On Mar 07, 2023
AndSunGorilla:

Is he playing poorly? I believe he came in as a 2nd half sub.
not at all, he was stringing passes in midfield for Brugge all night 🥱
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 11:06pm On Mar 07, 2023
charlesemeka85:
not at all, he was stringing passes in midfield for Brugge all night 🥱
On a serious note, I didn't watch the match that's I am asking you. Comparing him to Silva is of course an exaggeration.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:10pm On Mar 07, 2023
Kog45:
Ademola Lookman was discovered from the street and we have players like that who don’t have the opportunity of going to academy.

The street is mostly where football academies get their players,so it's normal.. But Lookman would never have made it to the England u-20 team as a street player... Raw talent is on the street..the academy is where they are supposed to be refined...The national team is where they are supposed to showcase these refined skills.. I believe that should be the order of business...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 11:12pm On Mar 07, 2023
TheGoodJoe:


You are running with your own perception. The screening process I posted was done by Emmanuel Amunike. Keep in mind, he trained under Sir Bobby Robson, one of the best tacticians of the game. He trained under Luis Van Gaal and was part of one of the best-scouted Super Eagles era (USA 94 and Atlanta 96 teams).

So, calling it madness is funny. Instead, you should learn from him.

Keep in mind, he was part of those that scouted the likes of Isaac Success, Kelechi Iheanacho, Wilfred Ndidi, Taiwo Awoniyi, Kelechi Nwakali, Victor Osimhen, and Chukwueze. He knows his stuff.

Now, what he is looking for are gems. Let me explain what gems are. When Diego Maradona joined Argentinos Juniors, I think he was 10 years old, his manager said, he could not teach Maradona anything. He knew it all at that age.

What the open trials are for, is to find special talents. Yes, you can find them on the streets. When you find these special players, you give them a crash course in tactical play. As soon as they assimilate the basics, they grow from there. And, yes, they can even outclass players that grew up playing in some of the best academies in the world.
using Amunike’s U-20 journey as yardstick is very hilarious because he couldn’t even get past Sudan to qualify them for the African tournament

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 11:16pm On Mar 07, 2023
Odunayaw:
Take raw talents to a competition?
U-20 competition o
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:29pm On Mar 07, 2023
jihday:
using Amunike’s U-20 journey as yardstick is very hilarious because he couldn’t even get past Sudan to qualify them for the African tournament

Because of a bad pitch that hindered their playing style. They played about fifty games and only lost one match because the NFF selected a pitch that was not suitable for the team and an advantage to their opponents. On any good pitch, they would have white washed Sudan.

That one game does is not close to the numerous games they won. If it was a league, they would have won it in grand style.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 11:31pm On Mar 07, 2023
AndSunGorilla:

On a serious note, I didn't watch the match that's I am asking you. Comparing him to Silva is of course an exaggeration.
thegoodjoe said few weeks ago that onyedika is very similar to Silva 🤣🤣🤣
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:32pm On Mar 07, 2023
Odunayaw:
Take raw talents to a competition?

We are talking of when building the team and as typicalgamer pointed, only few will make it. Those few will be special.

They will get groomed in camp and will flourish. The yardstick for them to breakthrough is to be better than the Professionals and academy stars.

Why take a professional player to the U20 if a street player is better than him.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:35pm On Mar 07, 2023
charlesemeka85:
thegoodjoe said few weeks ago that onyedika is very similar to Silva 🤣🤣🤣

The problem is you failed to understand the point. Bernardo Silva plays multiple roles for City, including as a forward, creative midfielder and sometimes purely hugging the wings.

However, in some games, Guardiola deploys him as a central midfielder.

Onyedika's style of play, is similar to the way Bernardo Silva plays the central midfield role. Meaning, he hugs the ball at a high frequency and uses technical skills to break tight areas.

So try to understand the point.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 11:43pm On Mar 07, 2023
TheGoodJoe:


Because of a bad pitch that hindered their playing style. They played about fifty games and only lost one match because the NFF selected a pitch that was not suitable for the team and an advantage to their opponents. On any good pitch, they would have white washed Sudan.

That one game does is not close to the numerous games they won. If it was a league, they would have won it in grand style.
of course the usual rhetoric but the fact is they lost out to Sudan end of story

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:49pm On Mar 07, 2023
jihday:
of course the usual rhetoric but the fact is they lost out to Sudan end of story

Everyone knows they lost to Sudan. You can browse and see that. I am talking beyond what we know.

That was a waterlogged pitch for a team that played passing football for about 50 games. That was the NFF selecting a pitch that will hinder our style of play.

We had better pitches that the team could play on.

You can say they lost but the NFF took extra step to make the team lose.

Apart from that, they had a wonderful performance before the sabotage.

Finito.

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