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Religion And Politics! by AntiChristian: 1:21pm On Mar 16, 2023 |
Upon all the Church campaigns and "youth take back your country" charge that came before the elections, it can be deduced that some Churches are still on same campaign! Was it God's mandate that Obi didn't win and Tinubu won? Is it true that if Obi was God's project no one can rig him out? Can you explain Romans 13:1-2 and Daniel 4:17. Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God. Consequently, whoever resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves This decision is the decree of the watchers, the verdict declared by the holy ones, so that the living will know that the Most High rules over the kingdom of mankind and gives it to whom He wishes, setting over it the lowliest of men.’
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Re: Religion And Politics! by Lukuluku69(m): 2:01pm On Mar 16, 2023 |
AntiChristian: That lot? Very Dumb humans. 1 Like |
Re: Religion And Politics! by Dtruthspeaker: 5:19pm On Mar 16, 2023 |
AntiChristian: Christians know that God is not interested in when men are choosing their kings and princes. |
Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 11:23pm On Mar 16, 2023 |
AntiChristian:I don't know if Obi is God's project or not. All I know is that some very 3vil men have been ruling 9ja since 1960. If God wants to liberate a people he would not make the leadership choice for them. They need to choose to follow his plan. And I see you are really having fun, your candidate won. Congrats. Let's hope you guys chose wisely for the good of all of us. |
Re: Religion And Politics! by Dtruthspeaker: 11:52pm On Mar 16, 2023 |
tctrills: Whether Obi o or Atiku or Tinubu God is not interested in when you people are choosing your kings and princes. And till the world ends, things are never going to be good for Nigerians even if xi ping rules Nigeria.. |
Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 11:54pm On Mar 16, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:Your opinion |
Re: Religion And Politics! by Dtruthspeaker: 12:13am On Mar 17, 2023 |
tctrills: The Truth! And to think you noticed that since 1960 it has never been well for Nigerians. Anyway I know you are trying to give yourself hope so that you don't kill yourself. |
Re: Religion And Politics! by AntiChristian: 6:18am On Mar 17, 2023 |
tctrills: My candidate won? No be God's candidate àbí na Obi be God's candidate for your side? Have we ourselves not been largely evil? Our leaders are from among us! |
Re: Religion And Politics! by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:24am On Mar 17, 2023 |
God is not interested in the government where people have to decide who rules them {1Samuel 8:5-7} Satan is the one behind such ideology because he has gain control over the thoughts and feelings of the majority so he uses that to manipulate things among men. In the Bible when the Israelites first demanded for a human King God told them what they will experience under their chosen system! 1Samuel 8:11-18 So when religious leaders meddle in politics i pity their followers because that's clear indication such men are wolves in sheep clothing {Matthew 7:15} instead of producing peace loving worshipers they will produce agitators and killers! Matthew 7:16-18 That is what has been affecting all the religions on planet earth except the true religion Jesus commissioned whose borrowed group name has been defamed throughout the earth then God began calling His own worshipers by another group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15 This is the one and only group where you can never find people thinking of how to support people in killing people just because their choice of ruler differs! Revelations 6:3-4 |
Re: Religion And Politics! by AntiChristian: 6:25am On Mar 17, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: Was God never involved in choosing Kings in your Bible? |
Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 6:53am On Mar 17, 2023 |
AntiChristian:I beg to disagree. The leaders do not reflect the rightoeness of a people in anyway. The leadership are produced by the system not the people. Unless you think Europeans and Americans are the righteous people. |
Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 6:56am On Mar 17, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:Actually I am not thinking of killing myself. You have a sick way of thinking. Since 1960 it has been problematic for 9ja but that's less than 70 years. Please read history. 70 years is nothing. Nations turn around. |
Re: Religion And Politics! by MightySparrow: 7:36am On Mar 17, 2023 |
AntiChristian: There is this problem of thinking that God must pick leaders for a nation. Did He always even in the bible times. The answer is no. Religionists for their thirst for power bring God to rulership. Most kings in the bible are by lineage e.g the Southern kingdom ( I know you don't know Bible), but in Northern Kingdom, warriors impose themselves on people majorly by coup d'etat. While Mohammed (SAW), he didn't rule over Mecca! Immediately after his death, caliphs are formed. Kingdoms are seized by jihadists to forcefully rule and subjugate people. The same was the idea of Fulanis starting from Uthman Dan Fodio, who wanted to 'deep' the Quran into the Sea. This guy killed so many people not his love for Allah but rulership. The same viewpoint is held by fulanis today. |
Re: Religion And Politics! by MightySparrow: 7:49am On Mar 17, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Hypocrisy spotted. Phillip F, the man who killed his brethren in Germany couple of days ago is an aggrieved 'apostates' person who was dissatisfied with his ruler's policies and took vengeance by killing innocent people in his local assembly. Many that are shunned or disfellowshipped have committed suicide for I'll - treatment just as nigerian government is doing today! MaximumSide, don't paint a picture of Eldorado for us. All human governments are the same! |
Re: Religion And Politics! by Dtruthspeaker: 7:56am On Mar 17, 2023 |
tctrills: As I said, you are just giving yourself hope, time would prove if I am right or wrong. |
Re: Religion And Politics! by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:01am On Mar 17, 2023 |
MightySparrow: It's obvious your mind is totally twisted so you can't grasp what i said that easily! ![]() I'm not saying one or two persons can't get angered by the policies set surely there's no policy that goes down well with humans in general even God's laws led to the death of thousands of Israelites when Moses was alive. So calm down and learn! What God's Holy Spirit is doing among JWs today that's unique is that there will never ever be a time when God's people will support anyone in lifting weapons to fight against any human authority. Whoever is chosen by the world we will obey such a person as the ruler of the land where we live but participating in choosing or picking up weapons in support of any human ruler is what we will never do. Do you get it now? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 8:04am On Mar 17, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:You are funny. Anyone can claim that a verse that dies not support his view is an idiom. Again, I don't need to give myself hope Jesus Christ the Son of God has given us all the hope we need. He is the Lamb slain before the foundations of the world. He was for ordained to pay for my sins. Ephesians 1:4 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love |
Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 8:09am On Mar 17, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: Please explain the verses below. According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, |
Re: Religion And Politics! by Dtruthspeaker: 8:27am On Mar 17, 2023 |
tctrills: I won't! You don't like Truths. |
Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 8:36am On Mar 17, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:Just because you can't accept the scriptures does not mean I don't like the truth |
Re: Religion And Politics! by Dtruthspeaker: 8:41am On Mar 17, 2023 |
tctrills: I have related with you enough to know that you do not like Truths plus as you have just shown and reminded me, your soul is twisted. |
Re: Religion And Politics! by AntiChristian: 8:47am On Mar 17, 2023 |
MightySparrow: Can you explain Romans 13:1-2 and Daniel 4:17. Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God. Consequently, whoever resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves This decision is the decree of the watchers, the verdict declared by the holy ones, so that the living will know that the Most High rules over the kingdom of mankind and gives it to whom He wishes, setting over it the lowliest of men.’ While Mohammed (SAW), he didn't rule over Mecca! Immediately after his death, caliphs are formed. Kingdoms are seized by jihadists to forcefully rule and subjugate people. All lies as usual! |
Re: Religion And Politics! by Dtruthspeaker: 8:50am On Mar 17, 2023 |
AntiChristian: Then He stopped as men rejected Him more and more. |
Re: Religion And Politics! by AntiChristian: 8:51am On Mar 17, 2023 |
tctrills: Of course they are not in anyway righteous religiously! But when it comes to actions towards one another and their environment they are better! |
Re: Religion And Politics! by AntiChristian: 8:53am On Mar 17, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:When did he stop? Can you explain Romans 13:1-2 and Daniel 4:17. Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God. Consequently, whoever resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves This decision is the decree of the watchers, the verdict declared by the holy ones, so that the living will know that the Most High rules over the kingdom of mankind and gives it to whom He wishes, setting over it the lowliest of men.’ |
Re: Religion And Politics! by MightySparrow: 8:54am On Mar 17, 2023 |
AntiChristian: What is the lie there? Did angels vote in Nigeria? Did angels rig elections or vote? Did Allah give any surahs of caliphs? Though God still wants us to rule ourselves, He has not given any form of government: monarchy, democracy, autocracy, and any other. That rigging is allowed by God is a lie. Antichristian can lie in hypocrisy! |
Re: Religion And Politics! by AntiChristian: 9:14am On Mar 17, 2023 |
MightySparrow: AntiChristian: |
Re: Religion And Politics! by Dtruthspeaker: 9:16am On Mar 17, 2023 |
tctrills: See twister has twisted back to Bible verse because he couldn't answer on the fact that Nigeria would not be better. |
Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 9:20am On Mar 17, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:You always talk like a kid. How do you know Nigeria would not be better? Qatar was a poor country for over 100 years now it's super rich. That a country is poor for 70 years does not mean it would not become super wealthy. Grow up na. |
Re: Religion And Politics! by tctrills: 9:21am On Mar 17, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:Lol. |
Re: Religion And Politics! by Dtruthspeaker: 9:50am On Mar 17, 2023 |
AntiChristian: Hosea 8:3/4 3 Isreal hath cast off the thing that is good: the enemy shall pursue him. 4. They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, AND I KNEW IT NOT: 1 Samuel 8:10-18 particularly 18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which he shall have chosen you: AND THE LORD WILL NOT HEAR IN THAT DAY " AntiChristian: Simple! Daniel has already told you "so that the living will know that the Most High rules". Meaning God, Wins, no matter what play man makes. The Lord will always win and will always do whatever He pleaseth Him to do. Thus, Romans only warns kings are powerful because they are using God's Power and He has allowed man to have kings, so bend to them, for they are supposed to be Law enforcers and The Law is for good, in destruction of evil. So it is not reasonable to oppose them. But when they do not do The Law, then they are weak for "a Kings throne is powered by righteousness". (Proverbs 16:12) so they can be thrown down. That is also what God has also set, the part that your kings and princes would never tell you because they desire to be Kings forever. However 1 Samuel 8:10-18 particularly 18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which he shall have chosen you: AND THE LORD WILL NOT HEAR IN THAT DAY " No one should disturb God about your kings and princes called politicians. It is the beds you people wanted and you bought so enjoy it and leave God alone. |
Re: Religion And Politics! by AntiChristian: 9:51am On Mar 17, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: So Romans came before Hosea and Samuel? ![]() |
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