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Re: Is God A Trinity? by tctrills: 5:20pm On Mar 21, 2023 |
Michael548:I explained Genesis 17.1 your translation was Wrong. Your translation makes Jehovah a liar. Below is a more accurate translation. And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. Now when you link this to Exodus 6.3 it makes 100% sense. Do you understand it now? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 5:29pm On Mar 21, 2023 |
tctrills:So the Lord in Genesis 17:1 in this verse is different from the Lord in Exodus 6:2, 3. Baba you too much ooo....this your explanation can cause headache. So Jehovah went to steal another person's identity. Weldone sir. The same Jehovah that said he is the most high in Psalms 83:18 |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by tctrills: 5:34pm On Mar 21, 2023 |
Michael548: Oga please read and understand. Gen 17.1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. Exodus 6.3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them. In Genesis 17.1 Jesus Christ appears to Abraham in the name of God Almighty. In Exodus 6.3 He tells Moses about it and reveals his own name to Moses. Using your father's name is not identity theft. In our world today, we call it a surname. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 5:37pm On Mar 21, 2023 |
tctrills:Oga don't kill me oo....where are you seeing this your Jesus Christ from in the old testament again. Ahhhh....abeg oo 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by tctrills: 5:39pm On Mar 21, 2023 |
Michael548:Read the new testament. He made it clear that he was the Jehovah spoken of in the old testament. Unless you don't believe him. As I say, argue with him not me. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 6:00pm On Mar 21, 2023 |
tctrills:Where did Jesus say he was the same as Jehovah? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by tctrills: 6:05pm On Mar 21, 2023 |
Michael548:Now you are asking the right question. So I would take pains to lead you through the pages of the bible and reveal Jehovah to you. You would get my detailed post tonight or tomorrow morning. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 6:09pm On Mar 21, 2023 |
tctrills:Lol....ok ooo....I go dey expect. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by HolySpiritFire(f): 6:03pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
I gave him that answer because, it's the most simplest, most straight forward and the easiest way of showing/ knowing the Trinitarian Nature of God without going into the full intricacies of the argument. But since you asked, let's go further then. First, let's start with "JESUS" as second person in God's Trinity: Here's Jesus own very testimony of being God Himself: John 10:30: Jesus said, "I and the Father are one". But the people did not want to and cannot accept Jesus's testimony as being God Himself, so they tried to stone Him for saying He is God/ Same as God the Father. And this is their assertion to confirm that: John 10: 33: " They replied, "we do not want to stone You because of any good deeds, but because of Your blasphemy, You are only a man, but You are trying to make Yourself God. Again in John 14:9-10: John 14: 9-10: ... Whoever has seen Me has seen the Father. Do you not believe, Phillip, that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? So many illustrations are there in the bible but I will stop here for want of time. Before I go further to that of the Holy Spirit as the Third Nature/ Person of the Trinity of God , I would need to ask you a question first, do you believe in the Holy Spirit? I would suggest, if and/ or whenever you want to study the scripture, pray and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you the real truth of the Word. And I bet you, if you're sincere in your request with a motive to understand, you're not biased, you will be amazed in what the Holy Spirit will reveal to you concerning the scripture/ Word of God. Cheers. Michael548: |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Haines: 6:10pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
tctrills: Sin means a violation of God's law. Where there is law there is no sin Imagine you are walking on the street and police came to arrest you and you were charge and imprison. what would call that? Sin is earned not inherited, the only time you are committing sins is when you go against God Law (Commandments) i.e instructions has been given do's and don't and you violate the instructions Genesis 2:16-17 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. God is all-knowing The wise, God made law to regulate human affairs so that people can live a good and peaceful life so that justice can prevail. If God want human beings to live the way they want without rules and regulations He would have cancel His law. So saying Jesus is God and God die for his creation is illogical |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 6:49pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
Haines:You had me going up until the points in bold. Sorry, not here to hold brief for anyone here. Just clicked to read from the thread and saw uour post. 1. God’s purpose for giving man Laws from the beginning has always been for His glory --- in order to He could rule over man for His glory and benefit. 2. Jesus Christ Himself is God's Law, God's Truth and God's Eternal Life - from the same root as the Father Himself. He is not God, the Father but given He shares attributes with the Father, He is God nonetheless. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Janosky: 7:31pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Hosea 12:3-4,Do you agree with this verse that angels share attributes with the God? Hosea 12:3-4, are angels God? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 7:41pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
Janosky:Be specific.... what part of the passage from Hosea 12 are you speaking here in reference to? 2 The Lord says, “I have a complaint against Israel.[a] Jacob must be punished for the bad things he did. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Haines: 7:43pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: JESUS PREACHED PURE MONOTHEISM A Jewish teacher asks Jesus which of the commandments is the most important: “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” [Mark 12:29-31] When the jewish teacher confirmed his understanding of this statement,not only did Jesus not correct misconceptions about God’s nature and give the Jewish teacher of the law a Trinitarian understanding, he also agreed with the Jewish teacher’s monotheistic interpretation and went as far as complimenting him, saying that he is close to the kingdom of God. The Prophets of the Old Testament, such as Abraham, Noah and Moses, never preached that God is a Trinity. Their core message was simple: there is one God who is unlike His creation and He alone deserves our worship. Does it make sense that God sent countless Prophets, over a span of thousands of years, with a consistent message of pure monotheism, and suddenly reveals that He is a Trinity, a radically different message which contradicts His previous Prophets’ teachings? Trinitarians claim that God reveals Himself gradually in stages; a concept known as “Progressive Revelation”: that is God did not unfold His entire plan to humanity in the entire Old Testament. Instead the sections of the Bible that were written later contain a fuller revelation of God. So, the New Testament is to be used to better understand and interpret the Old Testament. Such an explanation must be rejected because the progression from a purely monotheistic concept of God, who is unlike His creation, to a Trinity where God becomes His creation, is not gradual but a radical overhaul of everything that came before it. There is no explicit mention of ‘three’ either by name or concept, so with Progressive Revelation, there’s nothing to stop God becoming four or more persons at some point in the future. Perhaps later they will say the Holy Spirit is in fact seven persons and not just one (see Revelation 1:4 which mentions “the seven spirits before his [God’s] throne”). The New Testament touches upon an incident with Jesus and a fig tree in the Gospel of Mark: The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it. [Mark 11:12-14] Such an incident makes no sense in the light of the Trinitarian claim that Jesus is God. God is All Knowing, so if Jesus really is God, then he should have known that it was not the season for figs. Moreover, why would God curse the fig tree for doing something He himself willed it to do? Some Trinitarians claim that the verses about the fig tree are not to be taken literally but rather as a symbol of the nation of Israel and its lack of faith. Now, if the fig tree represents Israel in this particular incident, then this creates a problem. First Mark makes it clear that the fig tree was not defective but just that it wasn’t the right season, yet Jesus admonished a perfectly functioning fig tree for obeying God’s law . This would mean that Israel was being punished by God for obeying him! Such interpretations must be rejected because Mark very clearly gives us the reason as to why Jesus approached the fig tree: “Jesus was hungry.” Furthermore, such incidents bring to light the many paradoxes of the Trinity. For example, how can God be All Powerful and yet have weaknesses such as hunger? Such attributes are mutually exclusive. It would be like being asked to draw a square circle. Yet, such paradoxes are what Trinitarians have to believe in in order for Jesus to not only be God, All Powerful and All Knowing, but also human with limitations such as hunger and P0ssessing limited knowledge From this incident we can see that when it comes to the knowledge of Jesus, it seems that the divine nature is either lacking or completely absent. How then can the claim be made that Jesus is fully God when he lacks knowledge? The fig tree incident is by no means an isolated case. Jesus plainly says elsewhere : “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” [Mark 13:32]. From this we can see that the divine shortcomings of lacking All Knowledge aren’t just restricted to Jesus; the Holy Spirit also lacks God’s perfect knowledge. How then can the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit be said to be co-equal? In conclusion, we can see that the New Testament paints a picture of God and Jesus that is at odds with Trinitarian theology. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 7:52pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
Haines:Am I to take it that you are not against the notion that Jesus Christ is God, but simply against the Trinitarian theology/spin to the Godhood of Jesus Christ? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Janosky: 7:56pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
HolySpiritFire:According to John 10:30 "are one" , what is the meaning of that expression? @John 17:21-22, did you see Jesus making the same claim himself,the disciples & the God "are one?" Do you agree with Jesus Christ that @John 10:30 & @John 17:21-22, @Matthew 19:4-5 that "are one" is the said the same thing/meaning? HolySpiritFire: Where did the old Testament say God would come to the earth to die on earth? Which chapter and verses did the Jews say that? Jesus Christ himself a Jew NEVER made that claim your fellow Trinitarians put there in John 10:33. John 10:33, the screenshots evidence PROVEN small letter god @ 1 Corinthians 8:4-5,Acts 28:6,Acts 12:22 is the same small letter god @ John 10:33 & John 1:1.
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Re: Is God A Trinity? by Janosky: 8:26pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Hosea 12:3 the highlighted expression: "Jacob struggled with God" Jacob struggled with the angel" Hosea 12:3-4, your Bible says the angel is God.
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Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 8:35pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
Janosky:1. Maybe your bible says this to you but according to mine, and the one you referenced there, it clearly says in verse 4 instead that Jacob wrestled with an angel — a messenger — and prevailed, not with God — Elohim — who is written instead of in verse 3. So? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Janosky: 8:55pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: What is Elohim in Hebrew? Is Elohim in Hosea 12:3? Does Elohim of Hosea 12:3 have the attributes of Elohim? Kobojunkie wan change that Scripture. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 8:58pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
Janosky:1. You don't see the word God used in verse 3? 2. I am sorry, what?
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Re: Is God A Trinity? by tctrills: 9:03pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
Haines:Sorry, I don't get your point. Christ did died so we all can overcome death and resurrect. He also died so we can find forgiveness when we sin. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Janosky: 9:16pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Jacob struggled with God" Jacob struggled with the angel". Hosea 12:3-4 (is in concord with Genesis account),Jacob struggled with God & prevailed. Madam, do you understand that? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 9:22pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
Janosky:1. According to Hosea 12 vs 3-4, Jacob prevailed against an angel of God. So, I am not certain why you think it would make sense to debate that which is not written? 2 The Lord says, “I have a complaint against Israel.[a] Jacob must be punished for the bad things he did.
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Re: Is God A Trinity? by Janosky: 10:49pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Hoses 12:3 he fought with God". He wrestled with God's angel." So your brain can't process the fact that wrestle/fought are synonyms? So, your brain can't process the fact that Verse 3 & 4 referenced the same being? Nah me write am for your Bible? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by HolySpiritFire(f): 10:50pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
I thought you had an open mind to sought knowledge, but alas from the screenshot you posted, that said that the God in John 10: 33 was wrongly capitalized lol!, from writers who are close minded and obviously against the Trinitarian Nature of God shows that you have chosen and closed your mind against what you want to believe. So no need arguing further with you on this. Funny argument, it suddenly became wrongly capitalized because it proves the Trinity, I'm sure it wouldn't be if wasn't in support of the Trinity, lol I have illustrated my assertion with biblical backings, and whether you believe it or not, it's what it's, God is Trinity. Cheers and bye. Modified: Sorry if I sounded harsh in my post: what I meant to say bro was that, we all are free to believe whatever we deem fit, it doesn't change the fact that God remains Who HE IS, HOLY TRINITY regardless. What matters most is that we are at peace with Him, live by His principles; love and obey Him and live only for Him, shikena! No need for argument. Cheers and God bless! Janosky: |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 10:52pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
Janosky:1. That Jacob fought with God does not literally translate to Jacob physically wrestling with the person of God. If you open your eyes, you can see it indicated in the text. I didn't write the book so read and comprehend what is written in the book, leaving your personal delusions out of the text.
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Re: Is God A Trinity? by Janosky: 11:01pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
HolySpiritFire: Biblehub is a pro Trinitarian website. You see evidences PROVEN by your fellow Trinitarians, you dey here dey rant upandan. Oga, can you refute this screenshot of your fellow Trinitarian scholars? I can understand that the screenshot PROVEN evidence is too bitter a pill for You
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Re: Is God A Trinity? by searchlight: 1:22pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
titusmichael27:has god ever appeared before a group of men? he wont because hes just an imagination. he will only appear with wind or fire lol |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by HolySpiritFire(f): 1:41pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
Lol! Sorry if I sounded harsh in my last post: what I meant was that we all are free to believe whatever we deem fit, it doesn't change the fact that God remains Who HE IS, HOLY TRINITY regardless bro. What matters most is that we are at peace with Him, live by His principles; love and obey Him and live only for Him, shikena! No need for argument. Cheers and God bless! Janosky: |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Janosky: 5:06pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
HolySpiritFire: Bro's, worship your deities as it pleases you. However, your worship and your claim on this forum can NOT change John 20:17 & John 9:4. Jesus Christ said he did NOT worship your 3 deities. Shalom. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by johnw47: 11:05pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
Janosky: lost fraud jw janosky forever loving to lie and blaspheme, calling Father and son and Holy Spirit: "3 deities / 3 gods" liar Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. blasphemer Mat 12:32 ... whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming. lost Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by johnw47: 4:13am On Mar 24, 2023 |
lost false jw's think that this below is how God's people witness Janosky: etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. the never ending nonsense and lies of false jw's Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. |
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