The person that sent him down on us without removing his powers.

Franking:
Is there a God? If yes is he perfect?

Awon Atheist

jesusjnr2020:
The sentiment is not wanting to believe the truth that the devil had been given all power on earth by man whom God gave it to in the beginning, because it's the devil. You wouldn't even want to call the devil "the prince of this world" because that title belong to man at first before the devil got it. I also had the same the idea when I was still a kid until I was corrected while preaching it as a kid. I just didn't believe the devil could be telling the truth on that occasion but I was proven wrong and it even made more sense after I gained more spiritual knowledge.

As for the bolded, do you believe what the devil said from the scriptures about "the angels taking charge over Him" is a lie because the devil said it?

The angels will not protect u if u deliberately decide to jump off a cliff..thats being irresponsible and tempting God's word....which is what he deceptively asked jesus to do...

. weda he's quoting psalms or genesis....the nigga is bloody liar....No one gave him anything...he has nothing to give jesus....he just wants jesus to disobey God just as he is doing to millions of pple around the world...hence the context of being a ruler of this world"..

if u dont want to beleive the bastard is a liar...well thats up to you...


By the way...did u dodge this part..Matt 28v18...jesus said all power/ authority in heaven and earth has been given to him...he ddnt say earth alone... did the devil collect power/authority in heaven too..??

By Default, Satan Rules The World

Going by John 14:30. The rejection of Jesus gave Satan this title.

Problem solved.

labake1:



Awon Atheist

Bee ni.

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So all our problems started when Eve ate the fruit and passed same to Adam and he too ate.
The fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
God did not want man to eat the fruit from that tree and he told man so.

Why did God create that tree in the first place?

God knew the end from the beginning.
God knew that the serpent was going to deceive the woman, yet He created the woman for the man.
He allowed the serpent get to the woman, allowed the woman eat the fruit, allowed her take it to the man, allowed the man eat the fruit, then came along and spoke to them!

When they ate the fruit, their eyes were open and they realised they were naked.
So they were naked and did not know.
Just like mad people.
Did God actually intended for us to be unaware of ourselves (our physical bodies)?

Go to court oga.

advanceDNA:


The angels will not protect u if u deliberately decide to jump off a cliff..thats being irresponsible and tempting God's word....which is what he deceptively asked jesus to do...

. weda he's quoting psalms or genesis....the nigga is bloody liar....No one gave him anything...he has nothing to give jesus....he just wants jesus to disobey God just as he is doing to millions of pple around the world...hence the context of being a ruler of this world"..

if u dont want to beleive the bastard is a liar...well thats up to you...

You now see why not everything the devil says is a lie but the intention always is to deceive. Except you believe the scriptures he quoted was a lie then you're no different. You would not also believe the devil when he says Jesus is the Son of God, right? Feel free to believe whatever you want but that wouldn't change the truth from being what it is.

jesusjnr2020:
But some might still ask, if God had put man in charge of the world in the beginning and never the devil, how then did Satan become the leader of this world?

I already said in the previous thread that some leaders were appointed by men, some others by Satan, however I only gave instances of the latter, such as the Antichrist, but none of the former, hence I'm going to use this opportunity to do just that.

The same Satan I said would appoint the Antichrist as world leader, is himself is an appointee of man.

It was man that appointed Satan the prince of this world not God!

It was man that elected the devil to become his leader.

It was man chose Satan as his lord and king.

It was man that foolishly sold his leadership-right to the devil for just a bite of the forbidden fruit. Genesis 2:16-17, 3:6.

It was man who hence gave the power which God gave him over Earth to the devil.

That was how Satan came to have it because it was the same power God gave to man in the beginning, that the devil offered to Jesus when he tempted Him.

Luke 4:5-7 (KJV)

And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

Hence Satan now had the power God gave to man in the beginning and could give it to anyone he wants, just as man could give it to anyone he choose after God gave it to him.

Therefore God never intended for the devil to have all that power and glory He gave to man in the beginning, hence His utter disappointment with man after man had given it to the devil.

Hence His strong rebuke and even punishment of man for giving the devil that power and authority He intended for man to have over His creation and had given him after He had made man in the beginning. Genesis 3:11-19

Hence God doing whatever it took, even if it meant for Him to come down to the earth as man to pay the price so as to reclaim that power and authority He gave to man in the beginning from the devil.

Hence Jesus saying:

John 12:31-32 (KJV)

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

That was how the devil was cast out from his leadership position, after God had paid the price to reclaim that power from the devil which He gave to man in the beginning.

Hence Jesus saying afterwards:

"All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:18

Therefore God never rested until He had reclaimed that power and authority He gave man over His creation from Satan, because it was never His intention for the devil to have it in the first place.

If God gave the devil the power or installed him as the ruler of this world, why would He go through so much trouble to retrieve it and to cast the devil out?

If you still believe every leader, including the devil, was appointed by God, it then means your god is certainly not the One that created everything in the beginning, and appointed man as leader of them all, and then also did everything He possibly could to reclaim that power from the devil after man gave it to him, because that God would never appoint the devil as ruler over the world He'd made.

God bless.

JARGONS

advanceDNA:


Simple....

He agrees man appointed the devil to be his ruler but you disagree and call it a lie because Satan said it so what is simple? Or are you confused?

You can't agree Satan become ruler and disagree when Satan said it himself except you don't agree with that part.

jesusjnr2020:
But some might still ask, if God had put man in charge of the world in the beginning and never the devil, how then did Satan become the leader of this world?

I already said in the previous thread that some leaders were appointed by men, some others by Satan, however I only gave instances of the latter, such as the Antichrist, but none of the former, hence I'm going to use this opportunity to do just that.

The same Satan I said would appoint the Antichrist as world leader, is himself is an appointee of man.

It was man that appointed Satan the prince of this world not God!

It was man that elected the devil to become his leader.

It was man chose Satan as his lord and king.

It was man that foolishly sold his leadership-right to the devil for just a bite of the forbidden fruit. Genesis 2:16-17, 3:6.

It was man who hence gave the power which God gave him over Earth to the devil.

That was how Satan came to have it because it was the same power God gave to man in the beginning, that the devil offered to Jesus when he tempted Him.

Luke 4:5-7 (KJV)

And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

Hence Satan now had the power God gave to man in the beginning and could give it to anyone he wants, just as man could give it to anyone he choose after God gave it to him.

Therefore God never intended for the devil to have all that power and glory He gave to man in the beginning, hence His utter disappointment with man after man had given it to the devil.

Hence His strong rebuke and even punishment of man for giving the devil that power and authority He intended for man to have over His creation and had given him after He had made man in the beginning. Genesis 3:11-19

Hence God doing whatever it took, even if it meant for Him to come down to the earth as man to pay the price so as to reclaim that power and authority He gave to man in the beginning from the devil.

Hence Jesus saying:

John 12:31-32 (KJV)

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

That was how the devil was cast out from his leadership position, after God had paid the price to reclaim that power from the devil which He gave to man in the beginning.

Hence Jesus saying afterwards:

"All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:18

Therefore God never rested until He had reclaimed that power and authority He gave man over His creation from Satan, because it was never His intention for the devil to have it in the first place.

If God gave the devil the power or installed him as the ruler of this world, why would He go through so much trouble to retrieve it and to cast the devil out?

If you still believe every leader, including the devil, was appointed by God, it then means your god is certainly not the One that created everything in the beginning, and appointed man as leader of them all, and then also did everything He possibly could to reclaim that power from the devil after man gave it to him, because that God would never appoint the devil as ruler over the world He'd made.

God bless.

You are a good Bible Scholar, ride on, more teaching bro

I love this discussion

I am here to learn not to contribute cuz ain’t know nothing ...


Happy Blissful Sunday Pals

Sukkot ma nigha, what you have to say on this?

Satan doesn't exist, it is just an imagination created in ignorant mad people's head. When i was a kid i visted my grand parents house they had a picture hanged on their house wall. A picture of a black man with two horns and a tail. Underneath was written Satan and on the same picture a picture of a white man (angel) stamping his foot on the head of the black man. And i thought, even as a kid i was, does that mean that me as a black man is Satan? By the way that kinda picture has being banned all over Europe and America co's it is said to be racist . But yet in Africa brainwashed idiats who calls themselves christians still kept these pictures and believes that satan (black people) exists and that angels are white blonde people. Satan do not exist, unless satan is really a black man! then maybe yes!

Don't quote me to yap rubbish about some unexistence white God or some white guy called Jesus who lives in the skies and created the whole world or coming soon to save me please. That shit doesn't exist either. All that shit are fairytales used to brainwash hopless lazy brainless Afrikkkans.

Ezedon:
As an Arc Angel, every other demons are under him

stop comparing the Lord Jesus Christ with angels. This is a lie from the pit of hell

Christians don't like critical thinking. They prefer to go to church and continue shouting and wailing for God to give them prosperity.

Man resigned it's authority to the devil the moment they disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden. That is why until the second coming of Christ, death and suffering will continue on this Earth.

It was man that foolishly sold his leadership-right to the devil for just a bite of the forbidden fruit. Genesis 2:16-17, 3:6.

You now have got to insult Adam in your write up here.. nawa for you oo.

LandMann:
Too many contradictions.

Just love your neighbor as you'd love yourself. Every other thing is cóck and bull story

Well said my friend, well said.

Franking:


Bee ni.

E ku ìse

jesusjnr2020:
You now see why not everything the devil says is a lie but the intention always is to deceive. Except you believe the scriptures he quoted was a lie then you're no different. You would not also believe the devil when he says Jesus is the Son of God, right? Feel free to believe whatever you want but that wouldn't change the truth from being what it is.

God said u will die if u eat...
But when he came to Eve....He twisted the very words of God saying "u shall not surely die" ...

but u want to beleive what the fallen angel said when he said to jesus "i will give u the world" why will u even trust that he has anything to give...someone that can twist the very words of God.....

The guy twists the bible, and his aim is always to deceive to make u disobey God...

u are the one thats no different than the devil if u beleive any part of the word of a liar...

SATAN'S THE SMART GUY THAT KNOW WHAT TO DO TO GATHER HIS OWN PEOPLE

BigDawsNet:
Hm.. I think he appointed himself..

We can't have two boss in heaven so he was casted out...

He begin his own movement by making people commit sins and trad dia souls so he can hav his own follower and rule dem

Even after he was casted to earth, he wasn't the boss. Man wàs the boss. It was when man sinned and disobeyed God, that was when man lost the rulership of the world. Until the Lord Jesus Christ came and gave back to those who believe in him

Arguing about God, Angels, Devils and Demons; is like arguing about Superheroes and Supervillains, its just too Fictional.

SKIBiNSKI:
Satan doesn't exist, it is just an imagination created in mad people's head. When i was a kid i visted my grand parents house they had a picture hanged on their house wall. A picture of a black man with two horns and a tail. Underneath was written Satan and on the same picture a picture of a white man (angel) stamping his foot on the head of the black man. And i thought, even as a kid i was, does that mean that me as a black man is Satan? By the way that kinda picture has being banned all over Europe and America co's it is said to be racist . But yet in Africa brainwashed idiats who calls themselves christians still kept these pictures and believes that satan (black people) exists and that angels are white blonde people. Satan do not exist, unless satan is really a black man! then maybe yes!

Don't quote me to yap rubbish about some unexistence white God or some white guy called Jesus who lives in the skies and created the whole world or coming soon to save me please. That shit doesn't exist either. All that shit are fairytales used to brainwash hopless lazy brainless Afrikkkans.

jesusjnr2020:
But some might still ask, if God had put man in charge of the world in the beginning and never the devil, how then did Satan become the leader of this world?

I already said in the previous thread that some leaders were appointed by men, some others by Satan, however I only gave instances of the latter, such as the Antichrist, but none of the former, hence I'm going to use this opportunity to do just that.

The same Satan I said would appoint the Antichrist as world leader, is himself is an appointee of man.

It was man that appointed Satan the prince of this world not God!

It was man that elected the devil to become his leader.

It was man chose Satan as his lord and king.

It was man that foolishly sold his leadership-right to the devil for just a bite of the forbidden fruit. Genesis 2:16-17, 3:6.

It was man who hence gave the power which God gave him over Earth to the devil.

That was how Satan came to have it because it was the same power God gave to man in the beginning, that the devil offered to Jesus when he tempted Him.

Luke 4:5-7 (KJV)

And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

Hence Satan now had the power God gave to man in the beginning and could give it to anyone he wants, just as man could give it to anyone he choose after God gave it to him.

Therefore God never intended for the devil to have all that power and glory He gave to man in the beginning, hence His utter disappointment with man after man had given it to the devil.

Hence His strong rebuke and even punishment of man for giving the devil that power and authority He intended for man to have over His creation and had given him after He had made man in the beginning. Genesis 3:11-19

Hence God doing whatever it took, even if it meant for Him to come down to the earth as man to pay the price so as to reclaim that power and authority He gave to man in the beginning from the devil.

Hence Jesus saying:

John 12:31-32 (KJV)

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

That was how the devil was cast out from his leadership position, after God had paid the price to reclaim that power from the devil which He gave to man in the beginning.

Hence Jesus saying afterwards:

"All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:18

Therefore God never rested until He had reclaimed that power and authority He gave man over His creation from Satan, because it was never His intention for the devil to have it in the first place.

If God gave the devil the power or installed him as the ruler of this world, why would He go through so much trouble to retrieve it and to cast the devil out?

If you still believe every leader, including the devil, was appointed by God, it then means your god is certainly not the One that created everything in the beginning, and appointed man as leader of them all, and then also did everything He possibly could to reclaim that power from the devil after man gave it to him, because that God would never appoint the devil as ruler over the world He'd made.

God bless.

Very inspiring and edifying. More grace more divine inspiration to you.

All these write up because christian no win presidential elections..
leave all these politicians as they are all the same.. if a I may ask, what are the Christians governors doing differently from their Muslims counterpart today?

You better go study Islam and don't die as a non Muslim to avoid the torment of the heel fire.

advanceDNA:


By the way...did u dodge this part..Matt 28v18...jesus said all power/ authority in heaven and earth has been given to him...he ddnt say earth alone... did the devil collect power/authority in heaven too..??

Let me say I dodged it because I don't know if you'd be able to comprehend the difficult things when you couldn't the simpler ones. The heaven Jesus spoke about I believe was that which He said could pass away but not the Word of God. It's not heaven where God stays but that which He made in the beginning which Satan was also in charge of. Have you ever heard about the queen of heaven? Or do you also think it's the queen of the heaven of God's throne? You can ask the experts in demonology for more information about this because that's not my field.

God appointed man by giving man the dominion over everything God created, That right solely belonged to Adam (gods) see Psalms 82:6
Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Adam fell and Satan collected the right from Adam

jesusjnr2020:
You now see why not everything the devil says is a lie but the intention always is to deceive. Except you believe the scriptures he quoted was a lie then you're no different. You would not also believe the devil when he says Jesus is the Son of God, right? Feel free to believe whatever you want but that wouldn't change the truth from being what it is.

You are wasting your time. The guy is clearly not ready to look at this thing clearly and challenge his beliefs. I find that most Christians love to feel they have full understanding of everything.