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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 9:09pm On Mar 29, 2023
Civil discussions like this is why I can't do without this thread. The forth and back is not just for argument sake but one could pick one or two things from the submissions from both parties.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Emmy450(m): 9:25pm On Mar 29, 2023
kennysville:


Nff leadership is political in nature. It is reserved for people who couldn't cut it in ministerial appointments which is why there is always going to be government interference through the sports ministry. Have we asked why a person like Segun Odegbami has not been able to win? Only a player can tell the challenges they face as players. As for the supposed administrators, it's all about business. As much as NFF is broke, they still get to pay NFF board salaries monthly even if the national team coach is being owed 9months salary. They still have money to do jamboree outside the country. That excuse that footballers are different from football administrators doesn't fly.
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Emmy450(m): 9:37pm On Mar 29, 2023
kennysville:
Whatever situation we find Nigerian Football today, blame it all on one man and one man Only. Amaju Melvin Pinnick! All that dude did was for the furtherance of his own career and not that he is interested in the growth of Nigerian soccer. All he ever wanted was to be a CAF exec and by extension, fifa exec. The product of his 8year tenure is what we are witnessing with poor age grade teams. His focus was more on the Super Eagles brand while neglecting the age grade teams. He has moved on but the mess is still there for us to clean up.

People called Nigeria age cheats as we always paraded over aged players. Hey started well until It became a case of Every man for himself. So let's ask , from the time we won u17 of 2013 and 2015, how many of those players progressed into the senior team apart from iheanacho and chukwueze and until recently, Awoniyi.
Pinnick got so obsessed with FB which is more or less easy way out of proper scouting. And media sold us the idea that we lacked basics of modern football. We bought the lie hook line and sinker. Unless I am wrong, an average boy knows how to trap ball by default in Nigeria. It's not even a debate. Now that we have solely relied on FB , how has it served the growth of Nigerian football? Yall see where am getting at?

The local league was not important hence where it is. Kudos to folks like Basco Velli who brings us updates here. There are information in the glass house that I am privy to which if they get into public space, you'd be so disgusted to learn of them.

So why are we surprised?
you are right, but let me clarify something in your second paragraph, those street kids you made mention of don't really know the basics of football, they might know the ultrabasics but doesn't classify as basic football knowledge in an actual academy. You can't compare a kid from an arsenal academy to the streetkids in Lagos....

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Emmy450(m): 9:47pm On Mar 29, 2023
An example is SAKA,. Close your eyes
and Imaginee if saka grew up from the street of Lagos, delta, abambra etc,. Do you think the level of football knowledge he has from the street would in anyway be of same level of that of an arsenal academy ?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by COOL10(m): 9:53pm On Mar 29, 2023
Meliforme:


Victor Moses boots belongs to Victor Moses, they don't need to fill it. Victor Moses boots might be too tight or oversize.

For the roles these players do for club and country, they do it better than what Victor offers.

For the reckoning, They aforementioned players have more speed and movement, finishing, dribbling skills and creativity.

Do not also forget that Victor Moses abilities in S.E were accentuated more by the presence of Onazi and Mikel in midfield.




Victor Moses has a record of 12 goals and 5 assists in just 37 games for Nigeria. For a winger, that's an impressive record. Show me a Nigerian winger that has a better record.

And please, did you really compare Victor Moses' style of play and his creativity with the likes of Moses Simon and Chukwueze? 😳😳


Chai, what won't I read on this thread?πŸ€£πŸ€¦πŸ½β€β™‚οΈπŸ€£πŸ€¦πŸ½β€β™‚οΈ

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by comodo: 9:53pm On Mar 29, 2023
What happened? I went through 2 pages I did not see "Delusional" "Fool" etc. Be like something don happen for Naija. Wey make everyone body calm.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:01pm On Mar 29, 2023
JohnBullMySon:
Not true.

Nobody here has provided a clear example of a situation where government prosecutors investigated a criminal offence and did not attempt to interfere into the daily affairs of the FA. Just do your job and go. Don't start trying to remove somebody from office or close the FA because of an ongoing investigation. That is interference.

How will the investigator carry out the investigation? How do you investigate without information? Sepp Blatter and Michel Platini stepped aside for investigation. You can't investigate without information. When you are carrying out an internal investigation, you need to appoint someone to take over. Until then, no proper investigation can be done.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:04pm On Mar 29, 2023
lovewins:


Not entirely true.

For funds that goes to them from the federal government, it can easily be tracked. Where the government may have challenges is with funds from FIFA, but they can also get that through a whistleblower. The problem has never been the absence of evidence- these guys aren't so smart to cover their tracks- it's always been the lack of political will to execute them.

The EFCC had enough on Pinnick, he had to pander to be left off the hook. It's same reason he was careful since then with his dealings with the FG. For instance, the ministry of sports dissolving the LMC (even though I agree) is interference, but Pinnick/Gasau decided to play ball and allow the ministry institute the IMC. They could have easily reported to FIFA, but some persons had them by the throat.

How can you track the money from FG from outside? That is the problem. FIFA wants internal solutions. If you want to take any credible action, interference must occur and FIFA can frown at it.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 10:13pm On Mar 29, 2023
kennysville:
Whatever situation we find Nigerian Football today, blame it all on one man and one man Only. Amaju Melvin Pinnick! All that dude did was for the furtherance of his own career and not that he is interested in the growth of Nigerian soccer. All he ever wanted was to be a CAF exec and by extension, fifa exec. The product of his 8year tenure is what we are witnessing with poor age grade teams. His focus was more on the Super Eagles brand while neglecting the age grade teams. He has moved on but the mess is still there for us to clean up.

People called Nigeria age cheats as we always paraded over aged players. Hey started well until It became a case of Every man for himself. So let's ask , from the time we won u17 of 2013 and 2015, how many of those players progressed into the senior team apart from iheanacho and chukwueze and until recently, Awoniyi.
Pinnick got so obsessed with FB which is more or less easy way out of proper scouting. And media sold us the idea that we lacked basics of modern football. We bought the lie hook line and sinker. Unless I am wrong, an average boy knows how to trap ball by default in Nigeria. It's not even a debate. Now that we have solely relied on FB , how has it served the growth of Nigerian football? Yall see where am getting at?

The local league was not important hence where it is. Kudos to folks like Basco Velli who brings us updates here. There are information in the glass house that I am privy to which if they get into public space, you'd be so disgusted to learn of them.

So why are we surprised?
Which kain gbola old women never see? Nothing you disclose fit disgust us my brother, no be 9ja we dey again?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by gatecrash123: 10:19pm On Mar 29, 2023
A very good development

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JohnBullMySon: 10:25pm On Mar 29, 2023
TheGoodJoe:


How will the investigator carry out the investigation? How do you investigate without information? Sepp Blatter and Michel Platini stepped aside for investigation. You can't investigate without information. When you are carrying out an internal investigation, you need to appoint someone to take over. Until then, no proper investigation can be done.
Government prosecutors investigating NFF, is an external investigation.

You don't have the right to remove someone you did not appoint. There are legal ways to prevent the person from using his position to influence things to his favor. You can get a search warrant to look into documents, warrant of execution to seize. You can charge for tampering with evidence, obstruction of justice, Perjury, etc., but you can't order him to vacate. That one is government tyranny.

This are the things that separate developed countries from developing ones. There are completely legal ways to go about something but we like to do things anyhow and when we get banned, we start saying that FIFA is unjust to Africans.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by gatecrash123: 10:31pm On Mar 29, 2023
If it is by geo political zone, my picks are as follows
South West - remo stars vs shooting stars
South East - enyimba vs rangers
South south - rivers utd vs akwa united
North East - El kanemi vs gombe
North West - kano pillars vs katsina utd
North Central - plateau utd vs kwara utd

Bendel insurance will definitely be among the two seeded teams

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 10:41pm On Mar 29, 2023
If naija football no waka, blame it on one man
if SE no fly, blame it on one man,
if Musa get Belle blame it on one man
if naija football fall yakata for ground blame it on one man,
If anything hapun to naija football , heck..... blame it on one man,
Seems that one man runs a sole proprietorship with naija football😁😁😁
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:08pm On Mar 29, 2023
JohnBullMySon:
Government prosecutors investigating NFF, is an external investigation.

You don't have the right to remove someone you did not appoint. There are legal ways to prevent the person from using his position to influence things to his favor. You can get a search warrant to look into documents, warrant of execution to seize. You can charge for tampering with evidence, obstruction of justice, Perjury, etc., but you can't order him to vacate. That one is government tyranny.

This are the things that separate developed countries from developing ones. There are completely legal ways to go about something but we like to do things anyhow and when we get banned, we start saying that FIFA is unjust to Africans.

The bolded is interference from external sources. FIFA says solve these matters internally.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 11:11pm On Mar 29, 2023
Make Nigeria arrange friendly with Portugal na? Na only one Goat we go kon get for highlight forever ni? We need to face Ororo.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:11pm On Mar 29, 2023
JohnBullMySon:
Government prosecutors investigating NFF, is an external investigation.

You don't have the right to remove someone you did not appoint. There are legal ways to prevent the person from using his position to influence things to his favor. You can get a search warrant to look into documents, warrant of execution to seize. You can charge for tampering with evidence, obstruction of justice, Perjury, etc., but you can't order him to vacate. That one is government tyranny.

This are the things that separate developed countries from developing ones. There are completely legal ways to go about something but we like to do things anyhow and when we get banned, we start saying that FIFA is unjust to Africans.

The problem is FIFA treating us like germs. Trying to investigate and get proof of corruption is inference. If Europeans do the replica, FIFA will stay mute.

How can you investigate or know the magnitude of corruption or what to seek without taking over? There is no other means when you are dealing with a criminal circle.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 11:14pm On Mar 29, 2023
COOL10:





Victor Moses has a record of 12 goals and 5 assists in just 37 games for Nigeria. For a winger, that's an impressive record. Show me a Nigerian winger that has a better record.

And please, did you really compare Victor Moses' style of play and his creativity with the likes of Moses Simon and Chukwueze? 😳😳


Chai, what won't I read on this thread?πŸ€£πŸ€¦πŸ½β€β™‚οΈπŸ€£πŸ€¦πŸ½β€β™‚οΈ

What I'm pissed at most in his post is he saying Mikel and Onazi helped him majorly. Maybe he didn't watch VicMo. That guy will singlehandedly run from defence and do wonders, MOSTLY by himself, influencing game outcomes with his intelligence. These current ones can't lace his boots till 20whatever. Unless the improve by far.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by COOL10(m): 11:59pm On Mar 29, 2023
daveP:


What I'm pissed at most in his post is he saying Mikel and Onazi helped him majorly. Maybe he didn't watch VicMo. That guy will singlehandedly run from defence and do wonders, MOSTLY by himself, influencing game outcomes with his intelligence. These current ones can't lace his boots till 20whatever. Unless the improve by far.




Even Victor Moses' biggest critics know the truth. They can't argue about his performance especially when he played as a winger.


Whenever I saw that guy in the starting lineup for the Eagles, my mind would immediately be at rest. He could single handedly change any game. Whenever he got on the ball, you knew something exciting was gonna happen.


He knew when to dribble, when to pass, when to shoot, when to fall down in the box and roll twenty times just to get a penalty grin grin, and he also knew when to cross. THE BASICS!!!. That's something that majority of our current wingers lack.


Just look at the games against Cameroon and Algeria. Look at how he embarrassed their defenders. The closest thing we have right now to a Victor Moses is Ademola Lookman, but he's yet to live up to it in the National team colours.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 1:20am On Mar 30, 2023
gatecrash123:
A very good development
The number of games that will be played in Uyo and even Lagos within such a short space of time will destroy the field
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 2:57am On Mar 30, 2023
Cristiano Giuntoli, Napoli's Sporting Director has added three AFCON U20 revelations for a possible transfer in the future:

πŸ‡¬πŸ‡² Alagie Saine (20, CB)
πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡³ Pape Amadou Diallo (18, LW)
πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡³ Pape Diop (19, CM)

Special talents! 🌍😍

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by nairalandankrah: 3:20am On Mar 30, 2023
osimhen is built for england no doubt, but me thinks he should go to bayern munich.. play one year there, then move to england... \

but napoli winning the CL will change a lot of things.....
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JohnBullMySon: 3:57am On Mar 30, 2023
TheGoodJoe:


The bolded is interference from external sources. FIFA says solve these matters internally.
Not as part of a criminal investigation.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 4:19am On Mar 30, 2023
do4luv14:
If naija football no waka, blame it on one man

if SE no fly, blame it on one man,

if Musa get Belle blame it on one man

if naija football fall yakata for ground blame it on one man,

If anything hapun to naija football , heck..... blame it on one man,

Seems that one man runs a sole proprietorship with naija football😁😁😁
Yes it would be blamed on one man cuz most NFF presidents are not transparent enough in their dealings.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 4:50am On Mar 30, 2023
COOL10:





Victor Moses has a record of 12 goals and 5 assists in just 37 games for Nigeria. For a winger, that's an impressive record. Show me a Nigerian winger that has a better record.

And please, did you really compare Victor Moses' style of play and his creativity with the likes of Moses Simon and Chukwueze? 😳😳


Chai, what won't I read on this thread?πŸ€£πŸ€¦πŸ½β€β™‚οΈπŸ€£πŸ€¦πŸ½β€β™‚οΈ
Oga cool,Segun Odegbami 47 games 22 goals has better record and do not forget Emma Amuneke 27 games 9 goals but notwithstanding Victor Moses remains the best Nigeria winger of recent times and really surprising seeing our wingers lacking basic.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 5:30am On Mar 30, 2023
Emmy450:
you are right, but let me clarify something in your second paragraph, those street kids you made mention of don't really know the basics of football, they might know the ultrabasics but doesn't classify as basic football knowledge in an actual academy. You can't compare a kid from an arsenal academy to the streetkids in Lagos....

Is there an arsenal academy in Lagos ??

The Npfl players aren’t fully fledged players

But you expect the academy players to be godlike tier
🀑 πŸ˜‚ you humor me

Streets beats academy every time with basic training or not
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 5:34am On Mar 30, 2023
Emmy450:
An example is SAKA,. Close your eyes
and Imaginee if saka grew up from the street of Lagos, delta, abambra etc,. Do you think the level of football knowledge he has from the street would in anyway be of same level of that of an arsenal academy ?

There’s no wide margin skill gap between a street kid and an academy kid in Nigeria πŸ‡³πŸ‡¬
Get that into your skull or get the f*ck out of town.

The difference between a local soccer player and your Npfl player is fitness level
Skill wise they’re all the same
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 5:36am On Mar 30, 2023
Emmy450:
An example is SAKA,. Close your eyes
and Imaginee if saka grew up from the street of Lagos, delta, abambra etc,. Do you think the level of football knowledge he has from the street would in anyway be of same level of that of an arsenal academy ?

Answer this question if there were to held an open trial for academy spots and Npfl spots

Do you think all the academy players will retain their spots by the end of the trials

Or all the Npfl players will retain their spots

Don’t fool yourself go and sit down

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by owbabs: 5:37am On Mar 30, 2023
gatecrash123:
A very good development

Another one not well thought out. Can Nigerian pitch hold that many matches in a short space of time.

A club in Tanzania will still beat the winner of the tournament in a 2 legged fixture
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 5:38am On Mar 30, 2023
COOL10:





Victor Moses has a record of 12 goals and 5 assists in just 37 games for Nigeria. For a winger, that's an impressive record. Show me a Nigerian winger that has a better record.

And please, did you really compare Victor Moses' style of play and his creativity with the likes of Moses Simon and Chukwueze? 😳😳


Chai, what won't I read on this thread?πŸ€£πŸ€¦πŸ½β€β™‚οΈπŸ€£πŸ€¦πŸ½β€β™‚οΈ

πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 5:47am On Mar 30, 2023
charlesemeka85:
Cristiano Giuntoli, Napoli's Sporting Director has added three AFCON U20 revelations for a possible transfer in the future:

πŸ‡¬πŸ‡² Alagie Saine (20, CB)
πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡³ Pape Amadou Diallo (18, LW)
πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡³ Pape Diop (19, CM)

Special talents! 🌍😍

Jealousy won kill me this should be our boys
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 5:50am On Mar 30, 2023
owbabs:


Another one not well thought out. Can Nigerian pitch hold that many matches in a short space of time.

A club in Tanzania will still beat the winner of the tournament in a 2 legged fixture

It’s only for NPFL teams ?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kennysville(m): 5:53am On Mar 30, 2023
Emmy450:
An example is SAKA,. Close your eyes
and Imaginee if saka grew up from the street of Lagos, delta, abambra etc,. Do you think the level of football knowledge he has from the street would in anyway be of same level of that of an arsenal academy ?

Lemme ask you in return. How much scouting has been done? How did we arrive at such a conclusion that our own kids only have the least basic skill only all because of academy training. Let's take an Arsenal academy for example. How many of those supposed kids made it to the big leagues? How many are still relevant? Football has changed. Yes but to be debating our own talents because they lack exposure to facilities is not enough. As i mentioned earlier in a few posts back, what have the supposed exposed ones in the eagles offered? We can even hardly tell a discernible pattern in our play which only lends credence to the narrative that our wards lack the basics. Truth is if we did the appropriate scouting you will get natural skilful players and won't be looking for supposed finished article from England who don't share our football passion or culture. Take it or leave it, the earlier we stick to our identity as Africans and stop this copy copy attitude of anything foreign is the best. They have so tailored the game to work for them Including refereeing.

While I have nothing against the modern game, our identity is who we are which we are fast losing because we want to supposedly comply with modern football. Now we lose at home and say to ourselves there are no minnows anymore. It is that mentality that we need to stamp out. What I hate the most is knowing the cause of a problem and continue papering the cracks and hoping things get better. Small success vs going back to the first principle.

I cam go on and on but alas, we all don't see it the same way.

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