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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 11:09am On Mar 31, 2023
kkins25:

It's true though and i agree. I've always wondered why we waste money building expensive facilities for children who are completely mentally incapacitated. They are of no use to the parents, society, and species. why do we keep contributing to the expense that could be diverted in taking care of foster kids..
You think only abortionist are the ones aching inside to be able to do kill their child for financial restraints. How about the anti-abortionist who's unfortunately given birth to a mindless human being? When will she get the right to "switch off" her 15 year old son who has the IQ of a roach? 🤣

What about prisioners involved in grievous crimes. Why should they hace the right ro live and be taking care of? Can't that money be diverted from the priaon system to foster cares? Its obvious serial killers, and so on cannot be integrated with society again but why continue to hose them?

Yea dregs of the society be culled to save resources.
Start by reducing number of live births, move to prisons, foster cares, geriatrics. All of them.
That will reduce competition for the scarce food shortages and other resources
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 11:13am On Mar 31, 2023
Obrigardo:


It's way complex than financial restraints.
And I'll look over your other sarcastic comments coz they don't make sense to me. But you are not living in reality. I don't know how else I can say it. Stop looking at things from a christo religious perspective. It's damn way complicated than that narrow lense you are looking through.

I agree, many white people, who are more likely to go through the adoption process do it for the checks, and game the system. Does basilico know that as reality? No!

Glad you understand the sarcasm . What solution you got?
I've proposed fast tracking adoptions for a start.Who knows whether Madonna went looking for a child in Malawi for that reason or she was just posturing.
Another useful suggestion would be family planning if one has to do the do

Yours?
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ono(m): 11:17am On Mar 31, 2023
Truth about J6 and how far the FBI was “into it” gradually coming out.

Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DeusXmachina: 11:18am On Mar 31, 2023
kkins25:
The child is not your body. It's a completely seperate entity,from the mother even to the extent that a drop of its blood mixes with the mums is catastrophic.
My body my choice is a snaky one liner that really means "My child my choice." As you know, having a child doesn't give you rights to do everything to or with the child.

The status quo has been anti abortion. you are the one postulating my body my choice, the onus is on you to tell society why the fetus should be considered non-human.
No it's a legal argument for bodily autonomy.

This is a hypothetical to explain the concept.
Say someone was hit with a car, and they get hospitalized, and it's discovered they have a very unique blood type or organ, and you're the only match in the country.
The patient needs a blood transfusion or an organ transplant, or they will die, and you are the only match.

The right to bodily autonomy, protects you from the government, being able to force you to donate your blood or an organ, even if that patient will die.
And should the patient die, you are not responsible for it.

Even in a scenario where, you were the one who hit that person with your car.
The government still can't force you to donate your blood or organ to save the life of the victim.
Your body your choice.
You may be charged for manslaughter tho, should they die.

So, how does this relate to abortions?
With this legal argument.
The government can not (/should not) force a woman to keep a fetus in her, if she doesn't want to.
Yes, the fetus can not survive outside it's mother, but because it is dependent on the woman's body to survive, she has rights on whether to keep it or not.

This is irrespective of whether you consider a fetus alive, human or not.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 11:24am On Mar 31, 2023
Malcolm X is a guy I disagree with most of the time but on this occasion he is spot on.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alrxnLK9AxA

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 11:28am On Mar 31, 2023
DeusXmachina:

No it's a legal argument for bodily autonomy.

This is a hypothetical to explain the concept.
Say someone was hit with a car, and they get hospitalized, and it's discovered they have a very unique blood type or organ, and you're the only match in the country.
The patient needs a blood transfusion or an organ transplant, or they will die, and you are the only match.

The right to bodily autonomy, protects you from the government, being able to force you to donate your blood or an organ, even if that patient will die.
And should the patient die, you are not responsible for it.

Even in a scenario where, you were the one who hit that person with your car.
The government still can't force you to donate your blood or organ to save the life of the victim.
Your body your choice.
You may be charged for manslaughter tho, should they die.

So, how does this relate to abortions?
With this legal argument.
The government can not (/should not) force a woman to keep a fetus in her, if she doesn't want to.
Yes, the fetus can not survive outside it's mother, but because it is dependent on the woman's body to survive, she has rights on whether to keep it or not.

This is irrespective of whether you consider a fetus alive, human or not.

This is nonsense comparison. I am sure a baby Was not put in a woman's body because she is a host to another creature. She did things with someone else that puts that baby in her body.

In this case, no one is removing a kidney for a baby, they are killing it.

Have you seen a newborn baby thay survived without its mother? So if a woman abandons a baby in the bush that baby will survive? Which kind of argument is this?

I know someone who prematurely delivered, her beautiful daughter developed in an incubator

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by feedthenation(m): 11:30am On Mar 31, 2023
Obrigardo:


Go take a seat and sleep there.

34 counts! Guy, you should be ashamed.

But that's not all, so don't get too giddy up.

---34 counts on the indictment, yet MAGAs think this is political witch hunt---

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 11:35am On Mar 31, 2023
benalvino3:
Malcolm X is a guy I disagree with most of the time but on this occasion he is spot on.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alrxnLK9AxA

Spot on. The liberals here have to support the White liberals all the time No matter how absurd it is. They will use all sorts of lies and half truths to buttress their position.
They don't have a stand of their own,

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DeusXmachina: 11:40am On Mar 31, 2023
benalvino3:


This is nonsense comparison. I am sure a baby Was not put in a woman's body because she is a host to another creature. She did things with someone else that puts that baby in her body.

whatever it was that she did that resulted in her being pregnant, doesn't matter.


In this case, no one is removing a kidney for a baby, they are killing it.

Have you seen a newborn baby thay survived without its mother? So if a woman abandons a baby in the bush that baby will survive? Which kind of argument is this?

I know someone who prematurely delivered, her beautiful daughter developed in an incubator

Notice how I used fetus and not baby.
Yes the distinction between the two matters.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by kkins25(m): 11:40am On Mar 31, 2023
DeusXmachina:

This is irrespective of whether you consider a fetus alive, human or not.
Theres is also the law that says

"Every person has the right to life and has the right not to be arbitrarily deprived of life."
I'm sure Life here means "human" which includes fetuses.
Although the mum the care giver, she is not the baby. T
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by kkins25(m): 11:41am On Mar 31, 2023
DeusXmachina:


whatever it was that she did that resulted in her being pregnant, doesn't matter.



Notice how I used fetus and not baby.
Yes the distinction between the two matters.

The distinction doesn't matter because a fetus is human but in a different stage. What is a human?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 11:48am On Mar 31, 2023
ono:
Truth about J6 and how far the FBI was “into it” gradually coming out.

Was all a setup. FBI has many agents provoking the crowd to enter the Capitol.
Once the barricades were removed hapless people walked in to the compound not knowing it was a restricted zone.People who have been jailed whether they entered the building or not

Had posted this link a few days ago showing how the protesters were hoodwinked to commit an "insurrection"

https://www.ntd.com/undercover-dc-police-officer-pushed-protesters-toward-capitol-climbed-over-barricade-court-filing_902382.html

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 11:59am On Mar 31, 2023
feedthenation:


---34 counts on the indictment, yet MAGAs think this is political witch hunt---

Get Trump knows no bounds

Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Obrigardo: 12:09pm On Mar 31, 2023
basilico:


Glad you understand the sarcasm . What solution you got?
I've proposed fast tracking adoptions for a start.Who knows whether Madonna went looking for a child in Malawi for that reason or she was just posturing.
Another useful suggestion would be family planning if one has to do the do

Yours?

I think this is the only and possibly the last time I'll agree with you on fast tracking the adoption process. But it's not a solution for girls who were raped by their relatives or church pastors or cops etc, and not a solution for the low income neighborhoods who can't even afford basic healthcare, and never a solution for a pregnant woman facing a life or death situation.
It's like the same foolish argument of proposing more guns in the hands of the teachers as a way to stop mass shooting meanwhile you guys can't even trust the same teachers to select the books the kids will read.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 12:30pm On Mar 31, 2023
kkins25:


The distinction doesn't matter because a fetus is human but in a different stage. What is a human?

Imagine saying a baby is not human because it is not an old man. There are different stages of being a human and a baby is not the first stage
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by armyofone(m): 2:27pm On Mar 31, 2023
ono:
Truth about J6 and how far the FBI was “into it” gradually coming out.

Doesn't matter - they should never have listened to Trump telling them to match to capitol hill to distrupt what was about to happen that day.

They should have stayed home and not forment trouble - we all knew all the events after election leading to J6, words said, etc
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 3:01pm On Mar 31, 2023
R. I. P Mike Hill. Nobody will remember you. Your death has no use for the liberals.

If you were a criminal that died of drug overdose in the hands of a white police, they would have built a monument for you.
Unfortunately, you were murdered by a woman who thinks she is a man. So the woman is the victim while they blame you for making her kill you. Leftism is a disease

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 3:07pm On Mar 31, 2023
kkins25:
I'm quite sure if a baby was being grown in an incubator and is just 4 months old, would the mother have the right to abort it?
The foetus is 4 months old in an incubator, I think you mean, because, aborting a 4 month old baby is murder!

Of course the mother has no right to abort it. She has donated from inside her body into the incubator, so it's now, 'incubator and foetus baby's choice'.

kkins25:
Or does the incubator negate motherhood and my body my choice?
Incubator does not negate motherhood. Just that the foetus baby in incubator is no more in your body, so at best, it's my foetus baby in the incubator choice.

kkins25:
I think you uploaded the wrong photo.
That usually happens. Instead of trying to think out what it means they think the wrong things.

kkins25:
I will not mind the percentage of society irrespective of development that sees abortion as a normal practise.
Most abortions aren't reported to society. But you provide that instead of your baseless "most"!
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 3:09pm On Mar 31, 2023
benalvino3:

The death of petro dollar is imminent. If the US does not focus on pronouns and killing unborn babies, this wouldn't be happening. Xibiden is losing everything.

Except the White House!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Obrigardo: 3:11pm On Mar 31, 2023
basilico, have you decided to leave the cult of criminal trump?

Because that criminal is going to litigate all the elements of the Mueller report till he rots in a jail or lose all his diseased wealth.

Just check this, this indictment was a spark from the Mueller report.!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Obrigardo: 3:14pm On Mar 31, 2023
benalvino3:
R. I. P Mike Hill. Nobody will remember you. Your death has no use for the liberals.

If you were a criminal that died of drug overdose in the hands of a white police, they would have built a monument for you.
Unfortunately, you were murdered by a woman who thinks she is a man. So the woman is the victim while they blame you for making her kill you. Leftism is a disease

Shut the fork up.
I bet if he was murdered by an atomwaffen gang member, you wouldn't bother to even check it out.
But you just can't hide your transphobic, bigoted and xenophobic nature.
You don't even have any sympathy for the black man, black man hater.

We see through you!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 3:26pm On Mar 31, 2023
kkins25:

Again, I ask the pro-abortionist, when an aligator kills its own offspring, we classify them as unintelligent and lack self awareness. What do we call a human that does what the crocodile does?

If it has offspinged from her it is not inside her, and a human that kills an offspring outside of it is a murderer. In some places, we'd even imprison you for murdering an inspring foetus, like if you kick a 3 month old in her pregnant belly or if a pregnant person aborts a 7 month foetus. But on the whole, prior to offspring, my body my choice.

Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 3:32pm On Mar 31, 2023
budaatum:


Except the White House!

Which is good. It will be very telling by the time he is done.

Your man buhari did wonders for you, Biden is doing his.

Anything that destroys, you stand behind it like the serpent tempting eve

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 4:11pm On Mar 31, 2023
basilico:


Fully 100% agree with you.
Abortion has been made humane by language such as viable. It's main proponents speak of the dangers of denying women their reproductive rights. Goes about how terrible a girl who does not want to proceed to delivery will suffer if she does not get an abortion, never about a life aborted.
Another humane term is elective abortion.
It's callous to force a woman to carry a pregnancy and birth a baby she dies not want, as a punishment for sexual immorality, just to make the religious fundamentalists happy. So who are they punishing, the immoral woman, the baby or both.
I would have supported anti abortion if they can provide external gestation for an unwanted baby, whereby they free the woman from carrying and birthing an unwanted pregnancy. Or they nurture and care for the woman through pregnancy and then start taking care of the baby immediately it is delivered, so the woman can be free of burden of caring for a baby she does not want.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by armyofone(m): 4:30pm On Mar 31, 2023
budaatum:


Except the White House!

The naira is falling ...
The naira is falling... haha

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 4:33pm On Mar 31, 2023
kkins25:


This is exactly what pro abortionist do. They dehumanize the fetus, calling it a clump of cells when in reality it is not. As a matter of fact, no non bias scientists will tell you it is just a clump of cells. A bacteria is one cell and considered a full bodied living organism and an important part of the ecosystem, Irrespective of the stage of development of a bacteria, we biologist still consider it to be a bacteria. The idea that an undeveloped human is less a human is not something biologist condone in the class room.
On the contrary, it's you anti abortionists that dehumanizes a baby/child. We pro abortionists believe that a baby should not be brought into this cruel world, if it does not have patents or at least family members that is prepared to love and care for it.

A single cell is just that - a single cell. When two single sex cells come together, they form a single cell called gamete, it further subdivides into zygote. That's the beginning of the profess of the formation of a baby. Now the man wastes millions of living cells (sperm) while the women wastes an egg every month for about 40 years. So what's the fuss about a few gametes or zygote?


The anti-abortionist argument is very strong, so strong that scientists, neuro-scientists with no religious affiliations struggle to see theough the lenses of oro abortionist.. Thats why the "my body my choice" comes up. No viable argument can be made.
The anti abortionists argument is simply religious. There is no other justification for forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy she does not want.


Again, I ask the pro-abortionist, when an aligator kills its own offspring, we classify them as unintelligent and lack self awareness. What do we call a human that does what the crocodile does?
There is an evolutionary reason that alligators kill its own offsprings. It might have to do with chances of survival. It might have to do with reducing the number of offsprings to a manageable number. Remember alligators can lay up to 50 eggs.

I'm not anti-abortion myself. I'm just leting bas know, from a scientific point of view, abortionist have left us doubting our knowledge on what life is. 😂😂

It depends of which type of life you are talking about. Biological life is all about survival, first as an individual then as a specie. If you fail to take measures that aids your survival, either you or your specie goes extinct.

Spiritual life, I know nothing about.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by armyofone(m): 4:37pm On Mar 31, 2023
benalvino3:


Which is good. It will be very telling by the time he is done.

Your man buhari did wonders for you, Biden is doing his.

Anything that destroys, you stand behind it like the serpent tempting eve

America is a great country! America support our world a great deal. They don't fear where others fear to tread. I love their straight forward ways.

China is looking for every way to be a super power. Wished American business owners didn't go looking for cheaper labor and opening factories there decades ago.
Eyes have opened - time to fight the boss! sad
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by N2B2: 4:50pm On Mar 31, 2023
basilico:


Get Trump knows no bounds

Isn't that the MAGA advocate who called mass murderer Kyle Rittenhouse innocent? Ha!

Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 5:00pm On Mar 31, 2023
armyofone:


America is a great country! America support our world a great deal. They don't fear where others fear to tread. I love their straight forward ways.

China is looking for every way to be a super power. Wished American business owners didn't go looking for cheaper labor and opening factories there decades ago.
Eyes have opened - time to fight the boss! sad

America has always been my Hero country.
I loved the country as a kid till 2015 I started questioning some of the things they do inside and outside the country. The killing of Gadafi, the destruction of Syria, etc... makes me understand how its policies leave destruction behind it.
in the US, Society is regressing and they want their stupid way of life worldwide where people can have 200 billion genders and more.

As it is, more and more countries are dumping the Dollar which will bite. Saudi Arabia is even forming a security alliance with China.
China is already a superpower. if you are an orange man who seeks to hold them responsible and fight back, you will be labeled a racist.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by PDPGuy: 5:30pm On Mar 31, 2023
Trump will head to New York on Monday for his Tuesday arraignment, which is expected to take place around 2:15pm ET

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by CoolUsername: 7:12pm On Mar 31, 2023
N2B2:


Isn't that the MAGA advocate who called mass murderer Kyle Rittenhouse innocent? Ha!

Still mourning your favourite child molester?
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by CoolUsername: 7:12pm On Mar 31, 2023
Obrigardo:


Shut the fork up.
I bet if he was murdered by an atomwaffen gang member, you wouldn't bother to even check it out.
But you just can't hide your transphobic, bigoted and xenophobic nature.
You don't even have any sympathy for the black man, black man hater.

We see through you!

Have you gotten your Jergens ready for Trump's mugshot?

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