izzou:


Maybe our UK brothers can help me, but this is what my Google says.

So how well will you pay a doctor, that he wouldn't consider running away to UK?

raumdeuter:


A doctor trained in US spends almost $200 to $300K on school fees

Nigerian trained doctors probably spend $1k to get that education because its subsidized by govt

Maybe Govt should tell them Medical fees is say 300K if you cannot afford it, enter and govt will subsidize your fees to normal undergrad fees but after graduation you have to serve govt for 5yrs

If you want to get out of the bond pay the money Govt gave you plus interest

Itsrm:


No need to even use ASUU

These same doctors have gone on strike before or maybe they wanted to I can't remember clearly but I know that short man called Ngige conquered them and they either called off the strike or cancelled the planned strike.

If there's anything we have learnt from this APC government, no matter who you are, you can't fight them.

liveLongNprospa:


You are stopping them from leaving.. You are not doing anything whatsoever to make employment worth it for them.. At the same time these doctors have consistently voiced their displeasure concerning what they earn.

And they watch politicians japa outside Nigeria to get treatment.

So why you think say doctors nor fit dey house for 3 months.. Offer private services once in awhile and still plan their japa..

Who you think say this thing go affect pass?

The fact that you think this bill has anything to do with those legislative members there is what is funny to me.

ALL OF THEM passing that bill can comfortably fly themselves out and get good health care

Me that can only afford General Hospital and Iya Alagbo will now be frowning?

Abeg Abeg

Itsrm:


Just imagine

izzou:


The fact that you think this bill has anything to do with those legislative members there is what is funny to me.

ALL OF THEM passing that bill can comfortably fly themselves out and get good health care

Me that can only afford General Hospital and Iya Alagbo will not be frowning?

Abeg Abeg

izzou:


The fact that you think this bill has anything to do with those legislative members there is what is funny to me.

ALL OF THEM passing that bill can comfortably fly themselves out and get good health care

Me that can only afford General Hospital and Iya Alagbo will not be frowning?

Abeg Abeg

nihilistjnr:


That's on locum.

They earn less than that on average, especially junior doctors, which is why they go on strike every few months.

So I cannot imagine hoe Nigerian doctors on peanuts are coping.

raumdeuter:


Infact, I think this is the bill every common man should support unless you have money to fly abroad and treat yourself

raumdeuter:


So while your American trained doctors are servicing their student loan for the first part of their career, their Nigerian counterpart that enjoyed relatively free medical school are balling

raumdeuter:


I think that is poor for a doctor in the UK, So what makes it attractive for people to study medicine

nihilistjnr:


It's not right now, and there is currently a crisis in the public health sector.

There's a low key japa movement going on here too, with doctors moving to Yankee to earn more.

nihilistjnr:


You're literally rëtarded if you cannot see that your OWN link literally says the thing youre saying does not apply to National Household Surveys..

It literally says the thing that your saying does not apply to research conducted by Research Firms.

Its literally there on the same page.

I'm not asking you to trust me. I'm asking you to trust your own eyes.

nihilistjnr:


Bro read your own screenshot and tell me how 56k families represent 10% of the population.

You dont need to be a statistician to be able to read.

liveLongNprospa:


Ngige handled who?
You should use your search engine and check how the strike ended..

nihilistjnr:


It's not right now, and there is currently a crisis in the public health sector.

There's a low key japa movement going on here too, with doctors moving to Yankee to earn more.

izzou:


I am surprised that Nigerians, living in Nigeria, and are not medically inclined are angry.

Na only Unlimited22 suppose vex, and i can understand that.

Theflint1:
I posted the link you've been bandying around to justify the point that as the population you need to sample increases, the percentage of the population you pick as sample decreases...you refuse to address that, but you're bringing up something else.

Okay, do you disagree with the point I made above...you haven't said much in that regard other than the below:



From the above quote, it's safe to assume that you agree with the 10% number, so NBS should have used 20 million persons for their survey.

Ibime said the UK that has a population of over 60 million persons use 100K for their stats, maybe you'd address this relatively small sample size if it was Nigeria and not UK he referenced. Nigeria that's like three times their population, he suggests 8 times that number...that should tell you that whatever he's suggesting is probably in the realm of conjecture or whatever feels good to the eyes, that's fine too.

My point is 56K persons can be used for Nigeria as well, whether it feels good to the eyes or not, and I backed it up with what professionals in the Nigerian space do, and what has been suggested in online sources.

Theflint1:
Because after doctors who next falls into their chopping block?

Why don't they fix systemic problems causing japa instead of imprisoning doctors in the country for 5 after they've spent 6-9 years studying medicine.

We neva even talk reach the exploitation that'd come when employers know that these doctors are imprisoned in the country professionally for at least 5 years.

izzou:
I am surprised that Nigerians, living in Nigeria, and are not medically inclined are angry.
Na only Unlimited22 suppose vex, and i can understand that.

Itsrm:
This is what our doctors are taking for granted.
The bill is really fair. It's the least we can ask of them.

Theflint1:
Because after doctors who next falls into their chopping block?

Why don't they fix systemic problems causing japa instead of imprisoning doctors in the country for 5 after they've spent 6-9 years studying medicine.

We neva even talk reach the exploitation that'd come when employers know that these doctors are imprisoned in the country professionally for at least 5 years post-graduation.

Itsrm:


You like throwing words around.

Ngige got a court order asking them to suspend the strike. Like ASUU they initially refused but reason prevailed eventually and they called off the strike.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/488077-breaking-nine-weeks-after-nigerian-doctors-call-off-strike.html?tztc=1

liveLongNprospa:


From your own report.

I don't know how you linked them calling off the strike to ngige when the report said this below

izzou:


Let's reason together.

How long will it take to fix the systemic problems in our Medical sector?

Give me a timeline, and we can continue from there

Itsrm:


That was the same way ASUU vowed to continue the strike. What happened?

After the doctors vowed to continue the strike, what now happened?

21st of September court ordered them to suspend strike, 27th of September they suspended the strike.

So you're saying the government met their demands in 6 days having not met it in more than one month before the court order

Continue

Theflint1:
In my opinion doctors moving at the rate they're doing is a symptom of these systemic problems facing the health sector.

I can't say how long it'd take to fix these systemic problems, but imprisoning doctors in the country won't fix the systemic problems facing the health sector. Already health professions in Nigeria are not worth the time and effort, you con add five year imprisonment join, people go kuku leave their medicine for them.

This policy is akin to treating the symptoms and not the disease itself.

raumdeuter:
LP crisis

https://www.nairaland.com/7643456/lp-crisis-police-take-over

izzou:


Nobody said that they wouldn't treat the disease. They simply want to reduce the brain drain, so that over 100 million Nigerians can survive.

If you still think it is about the lawmakers, i don't know what to say.

Let's peg the hourly rate of the UK at £20/hr. We are talking of paying a Nigerian doctor 20k per hour.

Which government can pay this currently? Or pay something close to that, that will change one's mind for japaing?

Be realistic, sir. And that was why i asked for your personal opinion on a time frame, and you can see that it isn't even feasible for you

larride:


Yes, I do agree that our university are actually oversatured. We churn out graduates in almost hundred of thousands every year with no manufacturing or industrial base to absorb them into the workforce. That the govt is still the highest employer of labor both in the national and sub national says a lot.

I agree that we need technical and industrial trainings to empower the major masses with skills. Almost all the artisan jobs in the country are been taking over by our neighboring countries because our youths want to either go to the university or do yahoo because they see artisans as less privilege.

That’s also why a lot of people see farming as a taboo, imagine the kind of population we have, if just 30% of our unemployed figure goes into mechanized farming, the result will surprise everyone.

But both the govt and the citizens are on a long thing.