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Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 9:26pm On Apr 07, 2023 |
First, the Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith and not of the individual. God does it so that no man can boast. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Some attributes repentance to be works that are necessary to be saved, however, repentance is necessary but it is not work,. Repentance simply means a change of heart. If you wanted to do something, and later decide not to do it, you have just repented. For a man to have accepted the salvation of Jesus Christ he had already repented. The gospel is clear and simple, we all have all sinned and can do nothing at to save our self from damnation but God has given us Jesus who died for us, so our sins can be written off and we should have eternal life. If we acknowledge that truly we have sinned and are condemned through it and that only the Lord Jesus can save us, we have just repented. Then if we believe in Jesus as our saviour this is faith in Jesus. You see that repentance and faith goes together and that repentance is not not work at all just the acknowledgment of one's sinfulness and turning to the saviour. The theif on the cross acknowledge the truth about his sinfulness, he realised that his only hope was Jesus, psalm 51. eternal life is a gift but people must know why they need this gift, they must realise the truth about themselves in the eyes of God, so that they can genuinely accept the saviour. False teachers either try to prevent people to know their sinful state before God or they try to make people believe there is something they can do for themselves rather than faith only in Christ. The result of this is that people do not put their trust in christ and remain condemned. Good works comes as a result of salvation not the other way round. Because salvation is so easy, everyone could be saved, it is not by confession of sins, not by penance, not by restitution, nor by alms giving or any other works, it simply faith in Jesus, the dumb can be saved, the deaf could be saved, the old could be saved, the children could be saved, the educated, uneducated, rich, poor everyone could be saved thanks to the simplicity of the gospel. .Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:41pm On Apr 07, 2023 |
YES, He worked for his salvation! As a condemned criminal dying on the stake alongside Jesus he didn't know what to do but his cohort started mocking Jesus saying this guy had powers yet he couldn't save himself with them. This thief stepped in right away, he spoke in Jesus' behalf and began preaching about Jesus Christ! Luke 23:40-41 That's just what Jesus taught his disciples to do in favorable or unfavorable season. So my friend don't let anyone deceive you that thief WORKED for his salvation as the last thing he could do that's why Jesus granted the man's wish immediately he begged Jesus to count him in as a disciple who is now prepared to preach and teach about God's Kingdom which will be made possible through the selfless sacrifice Jesus offered on the torture stake! Luke 23:41-43 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 9:46pm On Apr 07, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:If you work for something it is no more gift but reward. However, the word of God contradicts you. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 3 Likes |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Kobojunkiee: 10:01pm On Apr 07, 2023 |
Steep:1. The thief on the cross did not meet the simple but absolute criteria which was set by Jesus Christ Himself which is that except a man be born-again, He absolutely can't enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 8. What this means is the thief did not earn a part in the Kingdom of God. So, how else could he have been saved? Well, God, through His prophets, had indicated that those who would turn from their sins, and choose to do right would be saved. ![]() 10 “So, son of man, speak to the family of Israel for me. They might say, ‘We have sinned and broken the law. Our sins are too heavy to bear. We rot away because of them. What can we do to live?’By choosing to believe in God's Eternal life rather than continue in sin, the thief gained a chance at eternal life, but not that which is the Kingdom of God. ![]() 2. Salvation from Death — perishing in the grave with the reward of Eternal life in place of Death — is obtained through obedience(works) to God's decree that one believes in the one He sent. However, for those who go on to become born-again, Salvation from sin is granted only to those who remain faithful — living in continuous submission and obedience(works) to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ — until the end - Matthew 10 vs 22 & Matthew 24 vs 12 - 13 & Mark 13 vs 13. ![]() |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Tboy222: 10:45pm On Apr 07, 2023 |
No he asked for it. But wait a minute.confessing Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior is the first step.walking in him is another. Jesus christ said in his word in The bible in John 14:6 " I am the Way the Truth and the Life, no man cometh unto the Father but by me." Jesus Christ is the way to the father not the end to the father, so accepting Him and confessing Him is not enough,you have to walk in Him. |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:50am On Apr 08, 2023 |
Steep: You misunderstood Paul here! ![]() Salvation is not without WORKS of FAITH! James 2:18-26 That thief WORKED for his salvation by voicing out as in preaching for Christ! Romans 10:10 Remember that both of them had faith in Jesus' ability to save but only one preached! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 6:28am On Apr 08, 2023 |
Tboy222:Confessing is not the first step but believing the step to be saved. The scriptures said with the heart man believes. Confessing is the evidence of believing. A man who believes confesses, but however the reverse is not necessarily true. There are people who confesses but do not believe. Accepting Jesus is enough to be saved. "Walking" comes after salvation, which is necessary in other to learn and enjoy the new life in Christ. |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 6:35am On Apr 08, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:see max, You can't twist it, your salvation is at stake here. I have given you the verse, it is clearly written that Salvation is a gift, if you have to work for something then that thing can never be said to be a gift but a reward. Works of faith are not works to earn Salvation but are works after Salvation. Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:43am On Apr 08, 2023 |
Steep: Guy both thieves BELIEVED in Jesus' ability to save them so how come only one was given a Visa to Paradise? So it's the WORKS of FAITH and nothing more. What you people think is that once you believe that Jesus can save you it's enough but demons also believe that only Jesus can save {James 2:19 compare to Luke 4:41} yet they're not saved. WHY? Because they're not ready to follow the orders Jesus gave his disciples for salvation! John 15:4 That thief WORKED for his salvation by telling Jesus to remember him when the dying Jesus is enthroned. Ọmọ that's the greatest work of faith that Jesus himself has never seen before that time! Because both Jesus and the thief are facing agonizing torture and about to die yet he is begging Jesus for his salvation. Surely if that man has the opportunity to go out there and preach nothing can stop him from proving that Jesus is the Christ. That's what WORKS of FAITH entails not just believing without doing nothing! James 2:26 ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 7:17am On Apr 08, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Max stop adding to the word of God, The other theif didn't believe in Jesus, he mocked Jesus to save himself if Jesus is the Son of God. Demons don't believe in Jesus, they know Jesus is the Son of God, they believe there is God, they have no part in God's salvation plan. The other theif believe in Jesus as the messiah who has the power to forgive his sins and take him in into paradise. This is the gospel, Jesus has the power to forgive all sins freely. The scrupture is clear, Isaiah said below Isaiah 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. What is the money and price for the waters? Good works, Inother, words Isaiah is saying people who have no good works or anything could come and buy which is faith. 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:19am On Apr 08, 2023 |
Steep: Please go back and read what transpired between the two thieves and Jesus because one raised the subject that he knew Jesus very well saving others which means he didn't just believe but knows Jesus has the power. The only problem with that first thief is that he didn't think about what the prophecies said about the Christ. According to the prophecies the Christ will suffer and be executed along with criminals! Isaiah 53:12 That's what the second thief WORKED on and declared Jesus as King reminding his friend that Jesus committed no wrong meaning if this man has done no wrong and is been executed with them that shows he is the true Christ. So both of them believe in Jesus' power but only one spoke with conviction that even if Jesus dies with them he is surely the Christ who is King of all those having faith in God! 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 8:40am On Apr 08, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: See how you are contradicting yourself, if the first theif did not think about the prophecies of Jesus how did you know say he believed in Jesus. Faith comes through hearing the word of God, obviously, the second theif knew that Jesus is the Son of God and can save him but the other doubted. the first theif had no repentance while the second theif had repentance. Reread ip again, I said faith and repentance are together. You can't have faith without repentance. Luke 23:39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. 23:40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by sajb(m): 9:17am On Apr 08, 2023 |
Always understand that the Grace emanating from Jesus' sacrifice on the cross of Calvary is the fundamental and most important part of salvation. In short, without it, there will be no salvation. However, that doesn't mean we must just sit aloof without doing anything towards embracing that precious gift of God's grace. In this regard, we must all work out our own salvation with fear and trembling -> Philippians 2:12 Salvation in Christ is a doctrine of Christian Faith, but still: Faith without work is dead. 'For as the body is dead without the spirit, so also is faith dead without works -> James 2:26' Therefore, the penitent thief (whose name is Dismas) did not just tap into the Grace of Jesus' death. He also worked towards it by preaching before the large crowd of people (including the pharisees) the very essence of Jesus' death through his brief but powerful words on his cross. Through his words, he accepted his sinful state and the deserved punishment he suffered. He further denounced evil and sin, while also embracing Jesus as his King by telling Him to remember him in His Kingdom. 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:15pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
Both of them BELIEVE in Jesus' ability to save but one was ready to OBEY Jesus as King that's why he started correcting his cohort to remind him of what the scriptures say about the Christ. According to God's word the Christ will rule as King so he's not just a powerful prophet as the first thief believe rather he is the Christ to whose authority every knee must bow. So voicing out in defending this dying man is a WORK of FAITH! Romans 10:10 Steep: 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 5:32pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
sajb:I am sorry to say, if you working for your salvation that means you are not yet saved. To be working for something it means you don't have it yet. Where did you read, that the theif said that to earn salvation? |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 5:33pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:And where did you read the theif said those things in other to earn salvation? I am waiting 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 5:43pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
When the jailor asked Paul and silas what he should do to be saved what was Paul's reply? Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. They simply said he should believe on Jesus, this is the simple gospel. Other times the apostles preached repentance, because repentance means to have a change of heart towards God. 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 5:48pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
Jesus parable of the publican and the pharisee. The pahrisee had good works to boast of, The publican had nothing to boast of. Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. God doesn't give grace to the proud, you may be a good man and done every good but you should realize that your righteousness cannot save you. 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 5:52pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
What type of righteousness? Righteousness through faith or through works? Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: The righteousness through works is not true righteousness. Guess what the righteousness of God comes by the faith of Jesus christ. Anyone who believes on Jesus gets this righteousness irrespective of whether you have good works or not, because from God's stand point all have sinned. 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 5:57pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
The bible said all who believe in Jesus already has eternal life. 1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. The difference between Christianity and all other false religion, whether Roman catholicism, Jehovah witness, Islam, Buddhism, etc is that they have no assurance of salvation. But a Christian have full assurance because his salvation is based on his faith in Jesus. The moment he realises whom Jesus is and put his faith in christ he immediately possess eternal life. 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:11pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
Steep: That thief said: “Jesus, remember me when you get into your Kingdom.” Luke 23:42 The one and only prophet foretold to die alongside criminals {Isaiah 53:12} is the Christ whose rulership will last forever {Isaiah 9:6-7} so that thief is reminding his cohort to think of what the prophets said about Christ since they both recognize Jesus as a powerful prophet of God who has saved many in the past but is now dying like a common criminal. Each believer must preach this same thing about Jesus of Nazareth, that's the WORK of faith Jesus assigned to anyone who wants to be his disciple. Remember the other rich Jew who also believe in Jesus but his problem was to humbly become a disciple whose life doesn't depend on material possessions {Luke 18:18-23} do you think that man didn't believe in Jesus yet called him "Lord" ? Of course he believed! The only thing he couldn't do is throwing away everything he had and become a preacher for Jesus Christ. Well that's exactly what that thief has become on the day he was executed. So immediately he declared Jesus as "King" who has a Kingdom Jesus had no option than to count him in as one of his disciples! Luke 23:22-23 ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by orisa37: 7:50pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
HE INTERACTED WITH JESUS. THAT WAS WORK. HE ALSO PRAYED TO BE ADMITTED INTO HIS KINGDOM. THAT WAS WORK AND PRAY. 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 7:58pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:you are funny, Was the thieves salvation a gift or not a gift? Besisde that you have not answered my question, where did you read that he said all that to earn salvation? 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Ken4Christ: 7:59pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
Steep: You are very correct. Salvation is obtained purely on the platform of grace. You are not saved by good works but you are saved unto good works. If after you are saved, you deny God in good works, you have invariably nullify your salvation. This is why Jesus said he will spue the church of the Laodiceans out of his mouth because they were lukewarm. |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 8:01pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
orisa37:No Mr man, the theif didn't do any work to earn his salvation. Nobody can do any work to earn salvation. 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 8:05pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
Ken4Christ:I won't say nullify his salvation but rather such person just proved he is not saved. Paul encouraged Professing Christian to examine themselves if they are truly in christ. 2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? You see it is not nullifying salvation mbut proving if one is truly saved, because one can assume he or she is saved whereas they are not buy just deceiving their own self. 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:48pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
Steep: A gift is received by an appreciative recipient if there's no WORKS of FAITH then everyone supposed to receive the gift unconditionally! ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 4:00am On Apr 09, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:you still didn't answer my question, is a gift what you work for? |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:13pm On Apr 09, 2023 |
Steep: At least you make EFFORT to RECEIVE it even it's just a GIFT. Note that the one giving it out stipulated terms and conditions for recipients: "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life." John 3:16 So the recipient is required to DO something! 2 Likes |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by OkCornel(m): 12:22pm On Apr 09, 2023 |
The thief on the cross genuinely repented (had a change of heart), believed in Christ and defended the truth about Christ, he did not deny Christ (see how he rebuked the other thief) If you think he died a hardened sinner, the joke is on you. There’s no space in the kingdom for those who do not genuinely repent and identify with the truth. God cannot be mocked. Matthew 10 v 32-33; 32 “Everyone who acknowledges me publicly here on earth, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But everyone who denies me here on earth, I will also deny before my Father in heaven. 1 Like |
Re: Was The Theif On The Cross Saved Because He Worked For It? by Steep(m): 2:40pm On Apr 09, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Good, so you now see that a gift is something you do not work for. What effort do you make to receive a free gift? The bible already punctures hole to false teachings Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. It is even called a free gift, meaning no effort required to receive it. So your gibberish nwt of effort has being thrashed. 1 Like |
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