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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by sangresan(m): 8:03pm On Apr 08, 2023
maintenant:
You are an ignoramus of the most prestine form...

Your man has an award given to him by a Swedish outfit...

Chinua Achebe never hid the fact that he wouldnt exchange his objectivity and intellectual moral high ground for one thousand prizes....

Chinua Achebe is the author of one of the 100 most popular and important books of all time ...

How many people outside Nigeria know of your man's works?

Nigeria will not end with a compromised election....

He who laughs last, last the best...

What's this idiot saying? In what language did Achebe write his books: Igbo? You're a nincompoop.

Nobody would have heard of Achebe if his books weren't published in Britain. So, he owes his fame and validation to the same Europeans who adjudged Soyinka worthy of receiving the Nobel Prize.

No dey deceive yourself. If Achebe had been awarded the Nobel Prize, he would have celebrated it to high heavens.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Gajagojo: 8:05pm On Apr 08, 2023
Kukutenla:

A superficial law is what it means to think in Yoruba?
Yoruba is already in the educational curriculum of Nigeria so you don't need a law in Lagos state to make it a subject. Students write Yoruba language in Waec and NECO.
I was expecting something more tangible than a dud law that makes no difference to anyone remotely connected with Yoruba
Your opinion.
if your kids school in Lagos they must learn Yoruba
Ibo is in WAEC and NECO but not mandatory in Lagos .
So being in curriculum is not the issue
It is COMPULSORY
Schools that do not comply will be closed down

Also

The Lagos State Government has made it mandatory for all candidates seeking admission into tertiary institutions in Lagos to have a credit in Yoruba Language.

Lagos State Government has made a law that makes having a credit in Yoruba language compulsory for all candidates seeking admission into all state-government controlled tertiary institutions in the state.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by tishbite42: 8:05pm On Apr 08, 2023
Gajagojo:


Define " true classic "
To listen to you one would imagine you have sat down and read Wole Soyinka's works
Tell us a play written in the last 100 years that you have studied that fits your definition of classic.
You do not sound like you have read Soyinka's works
Things Fall Apart was nothing spectacular in a literary sense
What it "dwells" on is irrelevant
I can go and memorize all the jokes in the world does not mean I can stand in front of a crowd like Bovi,Okey Bakassi and others. The subject matter is important but how the story is told is what makes literature.

Do not forget Achebe wrote that book at the age of 28. He was still learning his craft . It was not a piece of mature writing and it is in my opinion more like a commercial.novel written very directly like a journalist rather than showing nuance or subtlety of a master
Study the works of Ben Okri for masterly writing.
Things fall Apart is at the level of secondary school children
The main thing about Things fall apart is that it was a FIRST and it was actively promoted first by Heinemann and later the Nigerian government making it compulsory reading in Nigeria and many African countries

Finally it was NOT about colonial invasion. It was about a man who embodied the traits of success and strength admired by his people A STRONG MAN AND ACHIEVER those same traits would be his undoing . A tree survives storms and hurricanes by being flexible.
He was not flexible and he broke. Achebe in future went on to say this was a. FAULT in the Ibo culture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uys3XuJBnro
That same inability to know one's limitations,when to fight and when to negotiate was the undoing of Ojukwu
It ended tragically for him just like for Okonkwo
Stop writing nonsense
Things Fall Apart is a 'classic' in all sense of the word.
Infact, it was an instant classic.
Mind you, it wasn't the first. Cyprian Ekwensi had written at least two novels before that.
Achebe is a legend in the class of Homer, Shakespeare etc.
With a Nobel, Grammy, Oscar, Ballon D'Or etc,. Soyinka will still deal with the ghost of Achebe
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by shinealight(m): 8:05pm On Apr 08, 2023
greenandy:



Lol. That was shortly after the 3 years civil war when Achebe was in Biafra shrouded in the civil war. The Nobel family wanted black Africa to benefit from its awards then. Wole Soyinka was handy.
By the way, does Soyinka not understand that the Alfred Nobel family can now start to question its award to Soyinka who now supports an indicted drug trafficker, Tinubu, to preside over Nigeria?

Three years civil war….story, story. We’re not interested sir! grin grin
So, you’ve now been appointed as Adviser to the Alfred Nobel family eh? You obviously do not know your place in the scheme of things!

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by sangresan(m): 8:05pm On Apr 08, 2023
greenandy:



Lol. That was shortly after the 3 years civil war when Achebe was in Biafra shrouded in the civil war. The Nobel family wanted black Africa to benefit from its awards then. Wole Soyinka was handy.
By the way, does Soyinka not understand that the Alfred Nobel family can now start to question its award to Soyinka who now supports an indicted drug trafficker, Tinubu, to preside over Nigeria?

It's obvious that your parents wasted money on your education. Soyinka himself was imprisoned during the Civil War for supporting Biafra.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by greenandy: 8:07pm On Apr 08, 2023
Legitisreal:
Ipob would deceive you that they were looking for one Nigeria progess

Their frustration on not getting obi is now exposing their bigotry

Chimanda supported Obi cos he is Igbo
Ojiakor supported because they would get seaport
Charleyboy supported to have one over yorubas which failed as usual

These are those that have confessed openly, the ones that haven't are now attacking yorubas as a people as a tip of their intentions




Bola Tinubu secretly sponsored Yoruba Nation/Oduduwa Republic agitators.
Sunday Igboho the leader of Yoruba Nations agitators says Tinubu is his mentor.
Yoruba nation flags were waved in London's Chatham House recently in support of Tinubu while he was speaking inside the house.
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Afamsi: 8:08pm On Apr 08, 2023
LegendHero:
People should see the hypocrisy of the Ibo people.

They will lie that they are supporting Obi not because of tribe but yet anytime a Yoruba man speak against their candidate, they start accusing the person of tribalism and etc.

Why did Charley boy compare Soyinka to Achebe if not for tribalism? The hateful Chimamanda also mentioned he supported Obi because he is Ibo but if a Yoruba man says that we won’t hear word online again.

In all this, I’ve not seen the useless Falz and Marcaroni come out to condemn this assault on our living legend, but the useless guys will be online to cry about tribalism when a Yoruba celeb give it to these guys hot.
where did she say she supported obi because he is igbo?
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by sangresan(m): 8:09pm On Apr 08, 2023
tishbite42:

Stop writing nonsense
Things Fall Apart is a 'classic' in all sense of the word.
Infact, it was an instant classic.
Mind you, it wasn't the first. Cyprian Ekwensi had written at least two novels before that.
Achebe is a legend in the class of Homer, Shakespeare etc.
With a Nobel, Grammy, Oscar, Ballon D'Or etc,. Soyinka will still deal with the ghost of Achebe


Na book for school kids in Africa. No dey deceive yourself. How many Europeans know Chinua Achebe?

Soyinka doesn't use VISA to enter many countries as a Nobel prize winner. His face na him recognition.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Legitisreal: 8:09pm On Apr 08, 2023
greenandy:


Bola Tinubu secretly sponsored Yoruba Nation/Oduduwa Republic agitators.
Sunday Igboho the leader of Yoruba Nations agitators says Tinubu is his mentor.
Yoruba nation flags were waved in London's Chatham House recently in support of Tinubu while he was speaking inside the house.
same you would be crying it's yorubas that are helping north to keep one Nigeria

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by idealogical: 8:10pm On Apr 08, 2023
Prof Wole Soyinka supported Biafra and spent 2 years of his life in prison on their behalf, but they never liked him, they insult, abuse and denigrate him, they always trash his Nobel prize achievement, they say their own Achebe was better than him and even chimamanda is better than him, now they are mercilessly attacking him non stop.

Knowing or figuring them out is not rocket science, even if you sacrificed 2 years of your life to please them, you're still a piece of shitt to them.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by greenandy: 8:11pm On Apr 08, 2023
sangresan:


It's obvious that your parents wasted money on your education. Soyinka himself was imprisoned during the Civil War for supporting Biafra.


Your parent's money were wasted in educating you. Truth is that Soyinka was not in prison throughout the civil war period. Achebe was shrouded by Biafra all the three years of the civil war. Talk is not what Soyinka went to prison for. Stop writing like a dimwit.
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Spandau: 8:12pm On Apr 08, 2023
LegendHero:


Below is Prof. Wole Soyinka openly criticizing the Buhari government and even joined in the call for his impeachment but you believe your own lies that he was inactive.

These people and rationality are sworn enemies.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by maintenant: 8:13pm On Apr 08, 2023
LegendHero:
People should see the hypocrisy of the Ibo people.

They will lie that they are supporting Obi not because of tribe but yet anytime a Yoruba man speak against their candidate, they start accusing the person of tribalism and etc.

Why did Charley boy compare Soyinka to Achebe if not for tribalism? The hateful Chimamanda also mentioned he supported Obi because he is Ibo but if a Yoruba man says that we won’t hear word online again.

In all this, I’ve not seen the useless Falz and Marcaroni come out to condemn this assault on our living legend, but the useless guys will be online to cry about tribalism when a Yoruba celeb give it to these guys hot.
Ogbeni, stop making noise...

So Igbos should keep quiet when a man who should know better elected to turn logic on its head, just to be seen to be politically correct?

What have you been smoking?

Soyinka has blown away the facade of objectivity he has succeeded in deceiving people with for years...

This is a man known for hobnobbing with politicians with questionable character....

We know he is working for the appointment of one of his children in APC governments of various levels but he didn't have to be so unskillful about it....

Even as a Tinubu supporter were you not somewhat embarrassed by Soyinka's barely disguised partisanship....It was not smart of him to unwittingly show that he is enjoying some kind of patronage from Tinubu....

The man granted one of the most asinine interviews anybody can give....it was an unmitigated climbdown...

Wole Soyinka's days as self-respecting statesman are definitely over...
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by tishbite42: 8:13pm On Apr 08, 2023
sangresan:



Na book for school kids in Africa. No dey deceive yourself. How many Europeans know Chinua Achebe?

Soyinka doesn't use VISA to enter many countries as a Nobel prize winner. His face na him recognition.
No need to argue with you
Things Fall Apart has been translated into 50 different languages and is the highest selling book written by a Black Man and an African.
Quote me when Soyinka achieves half of this.
Oh, I forgot.
Achebe is among the 100 greatest writers that ever lived. In company with Shakespeare and Homer, Milton and Chaucer.
Tell Soyinka to do that.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Gajagojo: 8:15pm On Apr 08, 2023
tishbite42:

Stop writing nonsense
Things Fall Apart is a 'classic' in all sense of the word.
Infact, it was an instant classic.
Mind you, it wasn't the first. Cyprian Ekwensi had written at least two novels before that.
Achebe is a legend in the class of Homer, Shakespeare etc.
With a Nobel, Grammy, Oscar, Ballon D'Or etc,. Soyinka will still deal with the ghost of Achebe
Goodbye

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by ozo13(m): 8:16pm On Apr 08, 2023
LegendHero:
Achebe died an envious unfulfilled man and legend has it that envy for Wole Soyinka contributed to his death.

Why I love God is that he always make Yoruba triumph, we have bested the Ibos in all strata of achievement if we go head to head.

Below is Prof. Wole Soyinka telling the world how embarrassed he was on the kind of envy and hatred Achebe showed when he won the Nobel Laureate.

Soyinka is more of just a writer, he is an icon. A million Achebe can not measure up to him.
pity them abeg.edakun

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Deboski12: 8:17pm On Apr 08, 2023
Correct!
They keep crying like babies.
🤣😂

oyin44:
Just because he criticized obi and his crying baby...

Anyway, isn't his fault l blame the imperial government that united us together....

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by ozo13(m): 8:18pm On Apr 08, 2023
tishbite42:

No need to argue with you
Things Fall Apart has been translated into 50 different languages and is the highest selling book written by a Black Man and an African.
Quote me when Soyinka achieves half of this.
Oh, I forgot.
Achebe is among the 100 greatest writers that ever lived. In company with Shakespeare and Homer, Milton and Chaucer.
Tell Soyinka to do that.
hahaha long story.
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by abuzz33: 8:18pm On Apr 08, 2023
babtoundey:
Were said the respect he had for him is akin to the one he had for his father.. How respectable is a father that birthed and raised a fool like him.


Achebe was great. In fact, very great. But he couldn't achieve half of what Soyinka achieves in their line of business. Only an idiot would compare both of them. You find a match for WS when you see a prolific, successful and well know author who excels in writing drama, prose, Poetry, essays and theories. Achebe wrote only prose, the moment he dabbled into poetry, he flopped.

Achebes books are the highest selling books of any African author in history. You know who is number 2? Chimamanda Adichie. Soyinka is a great writer but in terms of influence he can't light a candle to Achebe. Achebe took on racism and got penalised for it. He never smelt the Nobel prize for literature.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by greenandy: 8:18pm On Apr 08, 2023
Spandau:


These people and rationality are sworn enemies.

Rational thinking is that a Yoruba was president of Nigeria between 1999-2007, therefore, a Yoruba cannot be president of Nigeria for the 2nd time before an Igbo becomes president of Nigeria. Even an Arewa person will tell you that. Rational thinking Yorubas have been telling this to you Tinubuidiots. Any other argument you provide to the contrary is roguish.
Since 1999, Nigeria's integrity has been sustained by rotation of the presidency between the north and the southern regions of Nigeria.
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by samonak(m): 8:21pm On Apr 08, 2023
babtoundey:
Were said the respect he had for him is akin to the one he had for his father.. How respectable is a father that birthed and raised a fool like him.


Achebe was great. In fact, very great. But he couldn't achieve half of what Soyinka achieves in their line of business. Only an idiot would compare both of them. You find a match for WS when you see a prolific, successful and well know author who excels in writing drama, prose, Poetry, essays and theories. Achebe wrote only prose, the moment he dabbled into poetry, he flopped.
if not for politics that made Soyinka clinch the Nobel prize for literature, the global reception of China Achebe's "Things fall apart" which sold 20 million copies world wide and translated into 50 major languages in the world far eclipse any work done by Soyinka. In fact, Times magazine included the novel in its TIME 100 Best English language Novels from 1923 to 2005. Even Nobel laureate Wole Soyinka has described the work as "the first novel in English which spoke from the interior of the African character, rather than portraying the African as an exotic, as the white man would see him." So guy just leave that Nobel laureate stuff, it's just a title. Abiy Ahmed of Ethiopia won the prize for peace, yet he's the one almost annihilating the Tigray people in the northern part, Same goes for Barrack Obama who also won the same prize, (someone who destroyed Libya, that was once a prosperous country under Ghadaffi) so in terms of global impact and recognition, none of Soyinka's work even comes close to China Achebe's " Things fall apart".

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by kayode4arch(m): 8:21pm On Apr 08, 2023
Hedonini:
Of course. I lost respect for the old fool the moment I discerned that he was just another rodent in Tinubu's cookie room. The idiot whose voice of condemnation was very loud against the Jonathan administration somehow retreated into his shell and became deaf and dumb throughout Buhari's disastrous 8 years of sorrow.

Now after a sham election has supposedly produced a bloody thief and drug baron as president, the useless Soyinka has found his voice again, not in condemnation of the election or of the disreputable criminal that was dubiously pronounced winner, but against the people yearning for a change. Obedients are repugnant fascists and he is ready to do a debate with Datti, but he conveniently has nothing to say about INEC, Tinubu, and the APC. This is the final straw.

Ur million generations can not archive what the same old fool has archive, till u pai

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by tishbite42: 8:22pm On Apr 08, 2023
Gajagojo:
Goodbye
Bye too
The truth hurts
grin
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Omoluabi16(m): 8:22pm On Apr 08, 2023
I feel pained that these uncouth people with no home training are going about insulting WS... Then again, it is distasteful to speak Ill of chinua Achebe. Charlie goat see wetin you cause?

These men and a whole lot of them like that are institutions we should rever and protect like treasures, yet you see somebody with 2mb just wake up and insult an Adeboye, soyinka or Achebe. We all should be very careful.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by ozo13(m): 8:23pm On Apr 08, 2023
maintenant:
Ogbeni, stop making noise...

So Igbos should keep quiet when a man who should know better elected to turn logic on its head, just to be seen to be politically correct?

What have you been smoking?

Soyinka has blown away the facade of objectivity he has succeeded in deceiving people with for years...

This is a man known for hobnobbing with politicians with questionable character....

We know he is working for the appointment of one of his children in APC governments of various levels but he didn't have to be so unskillful about it....

Even as a Tinubu supporter were you not somewhat embarrassed by Soyinka's barely disguised partisanship....It was not smart of him to unwittingly show that he is enjoying some kind of patronage from Tinubu....

The man granted one of the most asinine interviews anybody can give....it was an unmitigated climbdown...

Wole Soyinka's days as self-respecting statesman are definitely over...
so it's now ur own Obi that was with politicians that use Dollars to buy ticket in 2019 primaries that isn't a questionable character.abeg face front . Las las Supreme court will pour cold water on u guys.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by tishbite42: 8:23pm On Apr 08, 2023
samonak:
if not for politics that made Soyinka clinch the Nobel prize for literature, the global reception of China Achebe's "Things fall apart" which sold 20 million copies world wide and translated into 50 major languages in the world far eclipse any work done by Soyinka. In fact, Times magazine included the novel in its TIME 100 Best English language Novels from 1923 to 2005. Even Nobel laureate Wole Soyinka has described the work as "the first novel in English which spoke from the interior of the African character, rather than portraying the African as an exotic, as the white man would see him." So guy just leave that Nobel laureate stuff, it's just a title. Abiy Ahmed of Ethiopia won the prize for peace, yet he's the one almost annihilating the Tigray people in the northern part, Same goes for Barrack Obama who also won the same prize, (someone who destroyed Libya, that was once a prosperous country under Ghadaffi) so in terms of global impact and recognition, none of Soyinka's work even comes close to China Achebe's " Things fall apart".
God bless you
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Nobody: 8:25pm On Apr 08, 2023
Hedonini:
Of course. I lost respect for the old fool the moment I discerned that he was just another rodent in Tinubu's cookie room. The idiot whose voice of condemnation was very loud against the Jonathan administration somehow retreated into his shell and became deaf and dumb throughout Buhari's disastrous 8 years of sorrow.

Now after a sham election has supposedly produced a bloody thief and drug baron as president, the useless Soyinka has found his voice again, not in condemnation of the election or of the disreputable criminal that was dubiously pronounced winner, but against the people yearning for a change. Obedients are repugnant fascists and he is ready to do a debate with Datti, but he conveniently has nothing to say about INEC, Tinubu, and the APC. This is the final straw.
Where can I buy more likes👍
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by ycat: 8:25pm On Apr 08, 2023
Macaroni's mother is igbo. Children born of igbo mothers don't and can't defend Yoruba. I suspect Falz's mother too is not Yoruba, though her name is Funmi. I've searched places where a home town is usually mentioned for a public figure and can't find any for her, her husband's hometown of Ilawe Ekiti is what keeps coming up in some cases, I wonder why! They said it was a thing back in the days for people to take up Yoruba names for economic advantage. If you ask Yoruba about where Bola Shagaya is from, at least 95% Yoruba will say she's Yoruba but she's igbo married to Shagaya from Kwara. It took me forever to crack her home town. So you ask how she got her name?
LegendHero:


In all this, I’ve not seen the useless Falz and Marcaroni come out to condemn this assault on our living legend, but the useless guys will be online to cry about tribalism when a Yoruba celeb give it to these guys hot.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by greenandy: 8:26pm On Apr 08, 2023
Legitisreal:
same you would be crying it's yorubas that are helping north to keep one Nigeria

It's Igbos who keep one Nigeria because Igbos have landed properties in the northern, western and eastern regions of Nigeria. Nobody wants to part with his life savings. Do you have a pin-drop of landed property in the north and east of Nigeria?
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by tishbite42: 8:26pm On Apr 08, 2023
ozo13:
hahaha long story.
Long but true
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by LegendHero(m): 8:28pm On Apr 08, 2023
ycat:
Macaroni's mother is igbo. I suspect Falz's mother too is not Yoruba, I've searched places where a home town is usually mentioned for a public figure and can't find any for her, her husband's hometown of Ilawe Ekiti is what keeps coming up in some cases, I wonder why! They said it was a thing back in the days for people to take up Yoruba names for economic advantage. If you ask Yoruba about where Bola Shagaya is from, at least 95% Yoruba will say she's Yoruba but she igbo married to a Shagaya from Kwara. It took me forever to crack her home town. So you ask how she got her name?

You are very correct. Lot of them are like that and that’s why some of them behave that way.

When I found out about Bola Shagaya too I was surprised.

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