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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 11:15am On Apr 23, 2023
Christistruth03:




Ask yourself why then are the Awori still the Land owners of Lagos Island and the Oba of Lagos on the same Island doesn’t own the land and the Land on which his Palace was built was a gift From Aromire the Son of Olofin whose descendants still own a huge part of Lagos Island Land



https://punchng.com/bini-people-are-strangers-in-lagos-says-awori-group/
it is not up to them, this is what history says meanwhile the same inconsequential Oba of lagos that supposedly did not control any land by your arajugbo history(which you usually never have any material to back up) ceded lagos to the British in 1861. How ironic, how clannish of a people to have watched a king that did not control any land to have ceded lagos to the British in @1861

Your brazen denial of the Oba of lagos strength in lagos history has no place anywhere in historical analysis. It was this stool, the Oba of lagos not the Olofin, not the Oloto that ceded lagos to the British in 1861. An inconsequential king cannot do that we can see your argument has a place in delusion and self denial. Unarguably, going by lagos history and politics, the Oba of lagos seem to have been the numero uno among kings in lagos state

Going by our account, he was a son of Oba Orhogbua

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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 11:44am On Apr 23, 2023
Ologbo147:
it is not up to them, this is what history says meanwhile the same inconsequential Oba of lagos that supposedly did not control any land by your arajugbo history(which you usually never have any material to back up) ceded lagos to the British in 1861. How ironic, how clannish of a people to have watched a king that did not control any land to have ceded lagos to the British in @1861

Your brazen denial of the Oba of lagos strength in lagos history has no place anywhere in historical analysis. It was this stool, the Oba of lagos not the Olofin, not the Oloto that ceded lagos to the British in 1861. An inconsequential king cannot do that we can see your argument has a place in delusion and self denial. Unarguably, going by lagos history and politics, the Oba of lagos seem to have been the numero uno among kings in lagos state

Going by our account, he was a son of Oba Orhogbua


Oba of Lagos only influence is between Idumota and Obalende Markets on Lagos Island

he doesn’t even control Ikoyi on the same Lagos Island

He is the Head of a District in Aworiland

Oba Ado was the Son Asipa had with a Benin Princess

Oba Ado was an Isheri Man With an Benin Princess mother

There is a very big difference between having an Oba of Benin as your Maternal Grandfather

and being the son of the Oba of Benin

Oba Ado was Awori from Isheri Olofin his mum being a Benin Princess didn’t change that fact
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 11:49am On Apr 23, 2023
Christistruth03:



Oba of Lagos only influence is between Idumota and Obalende Markets on Lagos Island

he doesn’t even control Ikoyi on the same Lagos Island

He is the Head of a District in Aworiland
you have any material, eye witness accounts preferably that corroborate your partitioning ?

Why was it the Oba of Lagos that ceded Lagos to the British in 1861

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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 12:04pm On Apr 23, 2023
Christistruth03:





There is a very big difference between having an Oba of Benin as your Maternal Grandfather

and being the son of the Oba of Benin



According to Edo account my brother, the Oba of Lagos was a direct son of the Oba of Benin

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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 12:06pm On Apr 23, 2023
Ologbo147:
you have any material, eye witness accounts preferably that corroborate your partitioning ?

Why was it the Oba of Lagos that ceded Lagos to the British in 1861



https://wap.org.ng/read/history-of-onikoyi-and-eso-ikoyi-of-ikoyi-lagos/

Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 12:10pm On Apr 23, 2023
Ologbo147:
According to Edo account my brother, the Oba of Lagos was a direct son of the Oba of Benin



Badagry and Whydah were under the Alaafin of Oyo
especially after Benin began its decline in the 17th Century
Benin May have had some Influence before 1730 but not afterwards or at least definitely not in the 18th Century
How many kings did Benin install there absolutely none
Hope you know the Alaafin of Oyo is still the Sovereign overlord of the Oba of Porto Novo
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 12:19pm On Apr 23, 2023
Christistruth03:




Badagry and Whydah were under the Alaafin of Oyo
especially after Benin began its decline in the 17th Century
Benin May have had some Influence before 1730 but not afterwards or at least definitely not in the 18th Century
How many kings did Benin install there absolutely none
Hope you know the Alaafin of Oyo is still the Sovereign overlord of the Oba of Porto Novo
This is what I wanted you to see now

According to Edo traditions, Lagos itself was founded by a Benin army, and Oba Orhogbua is said to have made it his headquarters about the middle of the sixteenth century. His son left there to rule on his behalf is claimed to have been the founder of the Lagos ruling dynasty, and this is confirmed to some extent by Lagos traditions

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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 12:24pm On Apr 23, 2023
Ologbo147:
This is what I wanted you to see now

According to Edo traditions, Lagos itself was founded by a Benin army, and Oba Orhogbua is said to have made it his headquarters about the middle of the sixteenth century. His son left there to rule on his behalf is claimed to have been the founder of the Lagos ruling dynasty, and this is confirmed to some extent by Lagos traditions

Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 12:24pm On Apr 23, 2023
Christistruth03:



https://wap.org.ng/read/history-of-onikoyi-and-eso-ikoyi-of-ikoyi-lagos/

do you have any eye witness accounts to back it up , this was written by a Yoruba, if a Yoruba was to write Lagos, they will tell you the Oba of Benin probably never visited Lagos, that Benin has entirely nothing to do with lagos, they will probably tell you Benin did not pass oredo

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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 12:28pm On Apr 23, 2023
Ologbo147:
do you have any eye witness accounts to back it up , this was written by a Yoruba, if a Yoruba was to write Lagos, they will tell you the Oba of Benin probably never visited Lagos, that Benin has entirely nothing to do with lagos, they will probably tell you Benin did not pass oredo


Are you saying Yorubas don’t know their own History

I will like to politely remind you that Lagos is Yorubaland

It is like me looking for a White man to confirm Igbo History
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 12:28pm On Apr 23, 2023
[quote author=Christistruth03 post=122694714][/quote]this is Bini’s tradition, it was written seventy years ago, my father was still a toddler then, this is the tradition Bradbury met on ground, in the 50s .we know Oba Ado according to Bini tradition as the direct son of the King of Benin

Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 12:29pm On Apr 23, 2023
Ologbo147:
this is Bini’s tradition, it was written seventy years ago, my father was still a toddler then, this is the tradition Bradbury met on ground, in the 50s we know Oba Ado according to Bini tradition as the direct son of the King of Benin


Now you are just repeating yourself

Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 12:30pm On Apr 23, 2023
Christistruth03:



Now you are just repeating yourself
I am repeating myself telling you there is a basis for it, it did not start today and it is not what we can wish away, it is something to count on. Sir Alan burn certainly consulted Lagos tradition for his write up while Bradbury consulted Edo traditions

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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 12:32pm On Apr 23, 2023
Christistruth03:



Are you saying Yorubas don’t know their own History

I will like to politely remind you that Lagos is Yorubaland

It is like me looking for a White man to confirm Igbo History
I know Lagos is Yoruba land, but when it concerns Lagos and Other tribes as it involves her affairs, there tend to be biases on one side especially when the historical narrative is coming from the indigenes of Yoruba land herself

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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 12:40pm On Apr 23, 2023
Ologbo147:
I know Lagos is Yoruba land, but when it concerns Lagos and Other tribes as it involves her affairs, there tend to be biases on one side especially when the historical narrative is coming from the indigenes of Yoruba land herself




There are Histories that only the People themselves can confirm because others were not there

Can any white man confirm what happened in Yorubaland or Nigeria 2000 years ago

To be honest with you the White man doesn’t even have any Clue but our own People do

For example we hear that Ile Ife was already existing in 300 BC because Oduduwa met the 77th Igbo king at Ife

The white man heard the Story from the Natives did escavations around the Palace and found Artefacts carbon dated to 300 BC

Confirming what the Black Ife Natives told him
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 12:52pm On Apr 23, 2023
Christistruth03:





There are Histories that only the People themselves can confirm because others were not there


Let me agree for the sake of argument, Oyo only became an empire in 1680, before then, who was Ikoyi under?
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 1:45pm On Apr 23, 2023
grin
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 2:09pm On Apr 23, 2023
Oyo only became an empire 240 years after Benin became one and at least 130 years after Oba Orhogbua’s incursion into Lagos

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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 2:10pm On Apr 23, 2023
Ologbo147:
Let me agree for the sake of argument, Oyo only became an empire in 1680, before then, who was Ikoyi under?

Ikoyi or Imoba as Yorubas Called it was an Independent Kingdom in Aworiland
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 2:11pm On Apr 23, 2023
Christistruth03:


Ikoyi or Imoba as Yorubas Called it was an Independent Kingdom in Aworiland
proof please, was headed by who

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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 2:13pm On Apr 23, 2023
Ologbo147:
proof please, was headed by who


Onikoyi
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 2:14pm On Apr 23, 2023
Christistruth03:



Onikoyi
any proof of when the onikoyi dynasty started and proof as to if he was ever independent(that is if his dynasty started before the emergence of Oyo

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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by googi: 3:18pm On Apr 23, 2023
Land grabbers in their wild imagination will never give up. The presentation made to the Privy Council as far back as 1921, was clear.


About 1790 Lagos was successfully invaded by the neighboring Benins. [b]They did not remain in occupation [/b]but left a representative as ruler whose title was the Eleko.

The only connection Bini Oba, a Yoruba dynasty that overthrew the wicked Ogiso had with Eko, was giving his daughter to Ashipa the First King of Eko. Some called him Eleko, others called him Olofin. Whatever you called Ashipa, he was the truce King of Lagos that married the daughter of another Yoruba king that conquered Bini after brutal Ogiso King killed a pregnant woman and others like the Urhobo, Itshekiri, Onitcha etc ran away despite the wall to keep them in

The rhetorical question about Oyo Empire means that some people think Oyo only come into existence during the Empire.

Oyo was the same as Yoruba, Anago, Olukumi etc found along West Africa and Americas with different names.

How can anyone ask for proof that Oyo or Yoruba occupy Eko, their land before anyone else?

What a question.

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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 3:52pm On Apr 23, 2023
googi:
Land grabbers in their wild imagination will never give up. The presentation made to the Privy Council as far back as



The only connection Bini Oba, a Yoruba dynasty that overthrew the wicked Ogiso had with Eko, was giving his daughter to Ashipa the First King of Eko. Some called him Eleko, others called him Olofin. Whatever you called Ashipa, he was the truce King of Lagos that married the daughter of another Yoruba king that conquered Bini after brutal Ogiso King killed a pregnant woman and others like the Urhobo, Itshekiri, Onitcha etc ran away despite the wall to keep them in

The rhetorical question about Oyo Empire means that some people think Oyo only come into existence during the Empire.

Oyo was the same as Yoruba, Anago, Olukumi etc found along West Africa and Americas with different names.

How can anyone ask for proof that Oyo or Yoruba occupy Eko, their land before anyone else?

What a question.

occupation in military warfare is keeping your army Down to ensure obedience, so that is supposed to be clear enough,


The Oba of Lagos according to our tradition was the direct son of Oba Orhogbua who went to take charge of Lagos as a representative in the Oba’s stead

What is the proof that that part was ever part of the Oyo kingdom because googi said it I should take it as fact! what is the proof that Oyo even when it was a mere kingdom ever extended to that part

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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 4:06pm On Apr 23, 2023
Ologbo147:
any proof of when the onikoyi dynasty started and proof as to if he was ever independent(that is if his dynasty started before the emergence of Oyo

Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 4:10pm On Apr 23, 2023
[quote author=Christistruth03 post=122698970][/quote]even your own article already had variants of history of where the title Onikoyi came from.

When did the Onikoyi title start?

Do you have any proof that it was independent of the Oba of Lagos up till the time of the Oyo empire or he was just another sub chief who was under the Oba of lagos

You do not post all your materials on time, if it is a tactic I don’t know. Someone must have responded before you post the others.

I have read your work, the Onikoyi was certainly an Idejo. One of the Sixteen white cap subordinate chiefs to the Oba of Lagos.
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 4:13pm On Apr 23, 2023
Ologbo147:
even your own article already had variants of history of where the title Onikoyi came from.

When did the Onikoyi start?

Do you have any proof that it was independent of the Oba of Lagos up till the time of the Oyo empire



Imoba is as Ancient as the Awori Tribe itself

Imoba was where the first king of Ilesa went to fetch Water to Cure Oduduwa’s blindness when he was Old

That is why Oba Ilesa is titled as Owa Obokun

Obokun means he who fetches Sea Water

Onikoyi is the Oba Of Ikoyi and Imoba in Lagos

and a White Cap Chief at Isale Eko because he owns land in Obalende
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 4:15pm On Apr 23, 2023
Christistruth03:




Imoba is as Ancient as the Awori Tribe itself

Imoba was where the first king of Ilesa went to fetch Water to Cure Oduduwa’s blindness when he was Old

That is why Oba Ilesa is titled as Owa Obokun

Obokun means he who fetches Sea Water
do you have any proof?
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 4:18pm On Apr 23, 2023
Christistruth03:






and a White Cap Chief at Isale Eko because he owns land in Obalende
a white cap chief is subordinate to the Oba of Lagos

According to the Benin law,the king is the sovereign owner of land, and as the territory was conquered by the Binis, it follows that during the conquest the king of Benin was the real owner,the control exercised by the chiefs under the Eleko or representative being exercised as part of the machinery of government and not in virtue of ownership. It might be for a considerable period prior to 1850, the control of the king of Benin had been been relaxed until it became little more than a formal and norminal overlordship, and that in this period, there had been a tendency on the part of the minor chiefs to arrogate to themselves powers to which constitutionally they had no claim. Including independent powers of control and management. There is a possibility of this, this is a point of view of the argument on who own Lagos

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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 4:19pm On Apr 23, 2023
Ologbo147:
do you have any proof?



the Otun Ekiti People migrated from Moba in Lagos in the 15th Century and today the

King of Otun Ekiti is still referred to as the Oore of Mobaland

It was from MOBA Lagos that Onikoyi rules over that the Otun Ekiti migrated from
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 4:21pm On Apr 23, 2023
Christistruth03:




the Otun Ekiti People migrated from Moba in Lagos in the 15th Century and today the

King of Otun Ekiti is still referred to as the Oore of Mobaland

It was from MOBA Lagos that Onikoyi rules over that the Otun Ekiti migrated from
I mean lettered proof, even you posted an article that has different Versions on the same subject matter

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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 4:23pm On Apr 23, 2023
Ologbo147:
a white cap chief is subordinate to the Oba of Lagos
[b][/b]
According to the Benin law,the king is the sovereign owner of land, and as the territory was conquered by the Binis, it follows that during the conquest the king of Benin was the real owner,the control exercised by the chiefs under the Eleko or representative being exercised as part of the machinery of government and not in virtue of ownership. It might be for a considerable period prior to 1850, the control of the king of Benin had been been relaxed until it became little more than a formal and norminal overlordship, and that in this period, there had been a tendency on the part of the minor chiefs to arrogate to themselves powers to which constitutionally they had no claim. Including independent powers of control and management. There is a possibility of this, this is a point of view of the argument on who own Lagos


Onikoyi is an Oba in his own Right

In the Eyes of Yorubas he is higher than Oba of Lagos because he has an Ife Crown

It is like calling the Olowu one of the highest Yoruba kings a Subject of the Alake of Egbaland because the Owu live at Abeokuta

Moba and Ikoyi
has never been under the Oba of Lagos please don’t make that Mistake

For Example the Queen of England was also a Legitimate German Duchess at the same time she was Queen of England


Moba is too Ancient to have any Business with Oba of Lagos

You are going back to the Oduduwa Period when the Princes were sent out

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