SIRTee15:

Death is for mortal beings. Satan is not mortal.

God can destroy both the body and the soul. Mortal and immortal

tctrills:

But you are the one who doesn't believe in the word of God in the bible. Have I ever presented anything to you outside the bible you have? So stop getting uncomfortable and get your facts right. My only weapon against your lies has been the bible nothing more.

Jesus has a church and they're all united in faith! John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10
Paul said they should be assembling together! Hebrews 10:24-25

So if you don't have any church where you assemble together with fellow believers but always questioning the faith of others ọmọ you're a disguised athiest!

sonmvayina:

The problem is that you don't want to accept that what you know is a lie....when scrutinized.

Mr Reincarnation!

Templee333:
MaxInDhouse you need to understand that those pictures of a whiteman with snowy beard sitting in a golden throne surounded by whitemen with wings as shown in your publications,yes, that picture is not God, it is just imagination of men. The source of all existing thing doesn't need a shape and form,neither must it have a name. Why don't you take just 5 minutes to meditate the origin of God and let your inner mind free you from the JEHOvAH illusion?

Go and tell all your churchgoer friends before coming to Jehovah's Witnesses, once they agree with you we will see the benefits of what you know in your gathering not just talking without action!

MaxInDHouse:


Go and tell all your churchgoer friends before coming to Jehovah's Witnesses, once they agree with you we will see the benefits of what you know in your gathering not just talking without action!

Truth isn't something that you beg people to believe. Whether people believe it or not, truth is what it is.

Templee333:

Truth isn't something that you beg people to believe. Whether people believe it or not, truth is what it is.

This is not about begging rather it's about PERFORMANCE if you know the truth there should be a way to prove it and it not just by information rather it's by performing what others can't do.

God is the supreme being and to prove you know Him you should be able to present a multitude of witnesses under the control of the supreme being. It's by observing how well organized they're that any right thinking person could be fully convinced that an unseen supreme being is at work not just arguing claiming you know the truth everyone does that jọọ!

MaxInDHouse:

Jesus has a church and they're all united in faith! John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10
Paul said they should be assembling together! Hebrews 10:24-25

So if you don't have any church where you assemble together with fellow believers but always questioning the faith of others ọmọ you're a disguised athiest!

You are right Jesus Christ had a church not an organization of falsehood.
Having a church is nothing special as you say, there are over 41 thousand sects. But teaching the truth is the critical thing. So don't get angry if I choose to point out your falsehood.

tctrills:

You are right Jesus Christ had a church not an organization of falsehood.
Having a church is nothing special as you say, there are over 41 thousand sects. But teaching the truth is the critical thing. So don't get angry if I choose to point out your falsehood.

I have a note with me which is tenable anywhere i go and with it i can transact business everywhere but you want to tell me that it's fake money, oya present the real money you started telling me stories found in Nigerian newspapers about Naira notes.
How do you think any right thinking person can take you serious?

Ọmọ from my own perspective you're lying to your soul because you're just quoting the Bible out of context that's why you can't present or point to any organized people where what you're saying is practically applicable!

MaxInDHouse:


I have a note with me which is tenable anywhere i go and with it i can transact business everywhere but you want to tell me that it's fake money, oya present the real money you started telling me stories found in Nigerian newspapers about Naira notes.
How do you think any right thinking person can take you serious?

Ọmọ from my own perspective you're lying to your soul because you're just quoting the Bible out of context that's why you can't present or point to any organized people where what you're saying is practically applicable!

So when someone is arrested for spending fake money, he would not be released simply because original money was not provided.
In your case I have provided original money which is the word of God.

tctrills:

So when someone is arrested for spending fake money, he would not be released simply because original money was not provided.
In your case I have provided original money which is the word of God.

Ọmọ you're telling stories because what you're quoting never happened in our time rather it's written to help people in our time apply it in our own time. So if you can't present the practical application that's working in our own time then you can't prove you believe what you're quoting because it's not for quoting sake but for practical use and benefits!

Maynman:

Do celestial beings have a choice and freewill?
If no, how did satan rebel?

I will like to debate someone else today. ok?

Satan is part of God..

Just as our hand is part of us.

Satan was created for a purpose.and he he doing his job very well....

He is not the same nature with God .

Only God is God...and he is the king of heaven and earth. Other creation are referred to as "The sons of God" They are princes and princesses of different laws and principles of nature...The yorubas calls them hem Orisha.

Enlil/Satan is the prince of the air

Nanna/sin/Allah/Devil is the prince of darkness

Lucifer/inanna/Aphrodite/Ishtar/Venus/Isis/osun is the princess of death,war and destruction.

Sango/Thor/Amadioha is the prince of thunder and lightening.

They are the laws and principalities of life...

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ you're telling stories because what you're quoting never happened in our time rather it's written to help people in our time apply it in our own time. So if you can't present the practical application that's working in our own time then you can't prove you believe what you're quoting because it's not for quoting sake but for practical use and benefits!

Also the law of gravity was not written in our time yet you can pretend it doesn't exist. The truth in the scriptures is timeless

richmond500:
God can destroy both the body and the soul. Mortal and immortal

Destruction is different from death. The op asked about death.

tctrills:

Also the law of gravity was not written in our time yet you can pretend it doesn't exist. The truth in the scriptures is timeless

Wow!

You've revealed how confused you are!

If the law of gravity wasn't written in our time and people are making use of it in our time if you're quoting what was written saying they don't understand it but can't present those making use of it in what way are you normal?

MaxInDHouse:


Wow!

You've revealed how confused you are!

If the law of gravity wasn't written in our time and people are making use of it in our time if you're quoting what was written saying they don't understand it but can't present those making use of it in what way are you normal?

Please read what you wrote, it doesn't really make sense. In science, we do not present people as evidence. Rather we use mathematics to prove our laws.So clearly you don't know what you are talking about.

richmond500:
I mean, God first destroyed the world with water, then sacrificed his only son, now on the last days, we will all have to witness Armageddon, and then some of us will be thrown into hell.

All because of Satan

You no want make the film reach season 66? 😂

SIRTee15:


I will like to debate someone else today. ok?

There’s no debate, you said celestial beings don’t have a choice or freewill earlier, you don change mouth?

Maynman:


There’s no debate, you said celestial beings don’t have a choice or freewill earlier, you don change mouth?

Madam or sir, I don't want to talk to u today. I will like to engage someone else. We already know each others mindset over Christian theology no need for repetition.
I have a life outside of nairaland and I can't keep up debating multiple people here with my other schedules.

SIRTee15:


Madam or sir, I don't want to talk to u today. I will like to engage someone else. We already know each others mindset over Christian theology no need for repetition.
I have a life outside of nairaland and I can't keep up debating multiple people here with my other schedules.

Do you know what Theology means?
Your god is one of the theos that we have, the name of your god is yahweh. Zeus is a Theos, so as the Olympus gods.
We also have theogony.

There’s no debate, you said celestial beings don’t have a choice or freewill earlier, you don change mouth?

Does your omniscience god know the exact number of people that will go to hell or he is waiting?

sirtee15

richmond500:
I mean, God first destroyed the world with water, then sacrificed his only son, now on the last days, we will all have to witness Armageddon, and then some of us will be thrown into hell.

All because of Satan

Hello Richmond. Because your answer is genuine and you have expressed a honest desire to learn, I'll explain something's to you. I know God will enlighten you to understand.

Richmond, first off all there are laws, ancient laws that rule the universe, planets, spiritual realm and physical realm.
These Laws are older than the earth, and because they were in existence before even the earth was formed, we aren't fully in understanding of them all yet.


Sin is a serious issue. Spiritually it's like a capital crime in the spirit realm.

The same way a person commits a crime and is sentenced, that's the same way sin is treated.

Nothing that God created can die per say. Even we humans, we merly leave our physical bodies and move in the spiritual realm.

What God did to the world with water was just temporary solution. That's why after that, sin came again upon the world.

In the spiritual world, evil begets evil.
Good can't come from bad.
So when man sinned, all his descendants automatically become sinners because they all SHARE THE SAME BLOOD.
In the spiritual realm, sin can only be removed by blood equal to the species level of the sinner. That's why blood of goats can't purge sin.

The son of God, who came to died for man kind, was spiritually pure, so his blood was a perfect solution or substitute for the sin of all his specie type (humans).

The Armageddon that will befall the earth will occur primary because this world has been contaminated and needs cleansing .


I wrote a very interesting discourse on the topic above, from before the creation of man to the death if the son of God. Kindly read it and a lot of your questions will be answered.

https://www.nairaland.com/4868158/journey-into-heaven/3

Thanks

nnamdiosu:


Hello Richmond. Because your answer is genuine and you have expressed a honest desire to learn, I'll explain something's to you. I know God will enlighten you to understand.

Richmond, first off all there are laws, ancient laws that rule the universe, planets, spiritual realm and physical realm.
These Laws are older than the earth, and because they were in existence before even the earth was formed, we aren't fully in understanding of them all yet.


Sin is a serious issue. Spiritually it's like a capital crime in the spirit realm.

The same way a person commits a crime and is sentenced, that's the same way sin is treated.

Nothing that God created can die per say. Even we humans, we merly leave our physical bodies and move in the spiritual realm.

What God did to the world with water was just temporary solution. That's why after that, sin came again upon the world.

In the spiritual world, evil begets evil.
Good can't come from bad.
So when man sinned, all his descendants automatically become sinners because they all SHARE THE SAME BLOOD.
In the spiritual realm, sin can only be removed by blood equal to the species level of the sinner. That's why blood of goats can't purge sin.

The son of God, who came to died for man kind, was spiritually pure, so his blood was a perfect solution or substitute for the sin of all his specie type (humans).

The Armageddon that will befall the earth will occur primary because this world has been contaminated and needs cleansing .


I wrote a very interesting discourse on the topic above, from before the creation of man to the death if the son of God. Kindly read it and a lot of your questions will be answered.

https://www.nairaland.com/4868158/journey-into-heaven/3

Thanks

Where did you get the bold from?

tctrills:

Please read what you wrote, it doesn't really make sense. In science, we do not present people as evidence. Rather we use mathematics to prove our laws.So clearly you don't know what you are talking about.

Dude, GRAVITY is not seen by anybody people only speculate through the reaction of things on planet earth as everything is magnetically drawn to it's surface.
In like manner if you're arguing about God who can't be seen the only evidence is the people controlled by God that any reasonable person can present as evidence.

God is the supreme being who has the power to gravitate imperfect humans making them do things in a perfect sense according to his will. God promised that His worshipers will stop the production, buying, selling and usage of weapons {Isaiah 2:2-4} this sounds impossible because imperfect humans can't settle disparities that easily without fighting when they're from different nations but God said His spirit will make it possible! Zechariah 4:6 compare to Matthew 19:26

So my guy your gravity wasn't agreed upon by mathematics rather people can see it's effect on objects even though they can't see gravity!

Maynman:

Do you know what Theology means?
Your god is one of the theos that we have, the name of your god is yahweh. Zeus is a Theos, so as the Olympus gods.
We also have theogony.

There’s no debate, you said celestial beings don’t have a choice or freewill earlier, you don change mouth?

Oga this is Greek mythology, don't compare it to a spiritual God

richmond500:
Oga this is Greek mythology, don't compare it to a spiritual God

Greek Gods are also “spiritual”.
If you don’t want to use greek mythology, then why are you using “Theology”, who are theos?
The name of the christian god is yahweh gotten from jewish mythology.

Dude, GRAVITY is not seen by anybody people only speculate through the reaction of things on planet earth as everything is magnetically drawn to it's surface.
In like manner if you're arguing about God who can't be seen the only evidence is the people controlled by God that any reasonable person can present as evidence.

You are not making any sense here. The question is if we would judge through the human beings, what qualities do we use?
Who decides on the standard?

God is the supreme being who has the power to gravitate imperfect humans making them do things in a perfect sense according to his will. God promised that His worshipers will stop the production, buying, selling and usage of weapons {Isaiah 2:2-4} this sounds impossible because imperfect humans can't settle disparities that easily without fighting when they're from different nations but God said His spirit will make it possible! Zechariah 4:6 compare to Matthew 19:26

God never promised that his worshippers would stop the usage of weapons. The prophecy in Isaiah 2:2-4 is not about his followers but about a time of peace that we are still looking forward to. The prophecy is yet to be fulfilled.
Let's read the bible
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
So God was speaking of a future time when he would be judge among the nations. The time is yet to come. For now, God is not judge among the nations

Also God also spoke of false teachers. So even if you don't carry weapons but you are a false teacher you are wrong.
Again, there are a number of organizations who do not use weapons so the use of weapons or lack of can't be God's standard to set apart his people.


So my guy your gravity wasn't agreed upon by mathematics rather people can see it's effect on objects even though they can't see gravity!
Oga I don't know what you studied in school. But please don't make a fool of yourself here.
The laws of gravity is the work of Sir Isaac Newton.

sonmvayina:


Where did you get the bold from?

Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.

Hebrews 10:4
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, But a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.


Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Hebrews 9:22
And by the law almost all things are purged with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

tctrills:

You are not making any sense here. The question is if we would judge through the human beings, what qualities do we use?
Who decides on the standard?

The qualities are the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit: "LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL" apostle Paul added saying "against such a group THERE IS NO LAW" Galatians 5:22-23
So if any group of imperfect humans are displaying these qualities among themselves whatever you think about them doesn't count because God has blessed their gathering!

tctrills:

God never promised that his worshippers would stop the usage of weapons. The prophecy in Isaiah 2:2-4 is not about his followers but about a time of peace that we are still looking forward to. The prophecy is yet to be fulfilled.
Let's read the bible
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
So God was speaking of a future time when he would be judge among the nations. The time is yet to come. For now, God is not judge among the nations

Faithless miscreants claiming believer!
So when God promised that the Messiah will open the eyes of the blind, heal the sick, raise the dead and make food multiply in the future if it never happened when he walked the earth do you think faithful people will accept him?
Ọ̀DẸ̀! If that is God's will surely His spirit should work it out among those who will inherit such blessings even though they are imperfect humans. That's what James meant by the works of faith! James 2:18-26
Not that you will only quote but NO WORKS to show for what you're quoting!

tctrills:

Also God also spoke of false teachers. So even if you don't carry weapons but you are a false teacher you are wrong.
Again, there are a number of organizations who do not use weapons so the use of weapons or lack of can't be God's standard to set apart his people.

Mention one religion apart from Jehovah's Witnesses organization that's preaching no weapons and practicing it globally just as the scriptures foretold @ Isaiah 2:2-4

tctrills:

Oga I don't know what you studied in school. But please don't make a fool of yourself here.
The laws of gravity is the work of Sir Isaac Newton.

If you're not stupid where is Isaac Newton today? Is it not what people nowadays are doing with the law of gravity that's evidence of Newton's discovery?
FOOL! Jehovah's Witnesses organization is the only living proof that the prince of peace walked this planet!

The qualities are the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit: [b]"LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL" apostle Paul added saying "against such a group THERE IS NO LAW" Galatians 5:22-23
So if any group of imperfect humans are displaying these qualities among themselves whatever you think about them doesn't count because God has blessed their gathering! [/b]
But neither you non any other JW on this platform has any of these qualities. You guys are some of the crudest, most vulgar, and rude on this platform. Let me quote the very works of Jesus.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only,
So if you claim you love yourselves, even the publicans do the same. In fact, most other church members are more respectful on this platform.

Faithless miscreants claiming believer!
So when God promised that the Messiah will open the eyes of the blind, heal the sick, raise the dead and make food multiply in the future if it never happened when he walked the earth do you think faithful people will accept him?
Yes, this prophesy was for when Jesus would walk the earth. The prophecy in Isaiah that you quoted is for when Christ would judge the earth.

Ọ̀DẸ̀! If that is God's will surely His spirit should work it out among those who will inherit such blessings even though they are imperfect humans. That's what James meant by the works of faith! James 2:18-26
Not that you will only quote but NO WORKS to show for what you're quoting!
No that's not what God meant by works of faith. Works of faith do not mean misinterpreting prophecy.

Mention one religion apart from Jehovah's Witnesses organization that's preaching no weapons and practicing it globally just as the scriptures foretold.
At least you can google these things. You went to school for crying out loud. The JW was not even the first or oldest religion to start the act.
Quakers (Religious Society of Friends): One of the oldest and most well-known pacifist groups, the Quakers believe in non-violence and peaceful conflict resolution. They refuse to participate in wars or military service and advocate for peaceful solutions to global conflicts.

Mennonites: Mennonites are a Christian denomination that believes in pacifism and non-violent resistance. They have a long history of opposing war and military service, and have often been persecuted for their beliefs.

Amish: The Amish are a Christian group that also follows a strict pacifist doctrine. They refuse to participate in wars or serve in the military, and believe in peaceful conflict resolution.

Brethren: The Brethren Church is a Christian denomination that believes in non-violence and pacifism. They reject participation in wars and military service, and advocate for peaceful solutions to global conflicts.

Jehovah's Witnesses: Jehovah's Witnesses believe in non-violence and pacifism, and refuse to participate in wars or serve in the military. They advocate for peaceful solutions to conflicts and believe that all forms of violence are contrary to God's teachings.

Church of the Brethren: The Church of the Brethren is a Christian denomination that promotes peace and non-violence. They oppose wars and military service, and encourage their members to work for peace and justice in their communities.

The Salvation Army: The Salvation Army is a Christian organization that believes in non-violence and peacemaking. They have a long history of providing humanitarian aid during times of war, but do not support the use of violence or participate in wars themselves.

If you're not stupid where is Isaac Newton today? Is it not what people nowadays are doing with the law of gravity that's evidence of Newton's discovery?
Oga, that's not how science works. The evidence of Newton's works is in his equations. Once he was able to prove gravity with balanced equations, the science community took him seriously even before technology and engineering began to make use of science.

FOOL! Jehovah's Witnesses organization is the only living proof that the prince of peace walked this planet! No, the bible and the records kept by his apostle are the proof. Even before the JW came on board, people believed in Jesus Christ so you are not proof. People don't need JW to believe that the prince of peace walked this planet

You have done the needful so get your facts right before coming back to me!

Killing Satan is like killing Yahweh and not allowing Jesus to die( though faux ) won't programme billions to hell.