Persephone1:
Honestly Pan just irk me now. You know when you see something annoying but you no react then person still come push am for your face.
I intentionally didn't comment on this topic first because I know nah blame shift go full am, I come drop comment somebody come jump on it. Them just like to silent contrary opinion from ladies, while him no quote Lord wey no reason along with him?

You dey mind these ones? 😂😂😂 as if them don find solutions to their raging hormones Something wey they control them.

folake4u:


Lol. Of course, it is obvious there'd be blame game especially those Baby, let me put just the tip indisciplined men

About this hookup thing ehn, I believe when there's no demand, there won't be supply also. Ceteris paribus.

Funny enough Men started this prostitution business just like slavery centuries ago. But nah women them go dey blame for everything.

No demand, no supply, very simple logic. Naira land guys are something else especially romance section. Do they even know the length men go just to get intimate with a lady?

See make I just lock up because one don dey ask if him mama nah prostitute and I wouldn't want to turn this thread upside down

Persephone1:
Funny enough Men started this prostitution business just like slavery centuries ago. But nah women them go dey blame for everything.

No demand, no supply, very simple logic. Naira land guys are something else especially romance section. Do they even know the length men go just to get intimate with a lady?

See make I just lock up because one don dey ask if him mama nah prostitute and I wouldn't want to turn this thread upside down

pansophist:
Gerrard59

In a bid to simplify this, I will ask you a few questions.

1. Can you name anything you know of, either a trade, substances (eg drugs), events (e.g. abortion performance), etc, that the government trying to ban it allows the dealers to go free, but arrest/punish only the buyers?

So for example, if I sell harmful drugs, I am free to distribute, manufacture, and advertise, but the government only punishes my customers, not me?

2. If I want to stop alomo bitters in the Nigerian market, Which method is more effective between these two scenarios? Scenario A. Ban importation and make it punishable for dealers to sell such services, AS well as make it punishable for customers to use such products.

Or scenario B, Punish only customers and let the dealers of alomo trade and conduct their business freely?


If you can answer both questions above correctly, then my point will be very clear.

Back to the issue, sellers/service providers always have more power to stop the circulation of a business. There are so many examples I can mention but is it necessary?

When Buhari doesn't want Twitter, he banned it, AND punish those using VPN to access it. That is more effective than just punishing Twitter users. In most countries, prostitution is illegal. If your method is correct, then it should be the other way around, right?

How can you ignore all the societal structures that encourage prostitution and punish only men? it makes no sense frankly. There are hotels specifically to house harlot, then nightclubs, then roadsides where the harlot stands, then hookup sites such as coded runs, and so much more.

You will ignore all these things and just go arrest men? Really? like REALLY? if you want to cut a tree, you do it from the root. You don't cut the fruits and declare success.

My point still stands. If prostitution has to stop, then women have to stop it, not men. Men could be punished for engaging in such services as trafficking girls, building hotels, and so much more.

But it is women, not men, that control sexual access. Not putting the blame on hungry girls that uses prostitution instead of hard work is infantilizing girls.

If the government bans prostitution, which means closing a lot of hotels, banning the site-coded runs, arresting any prostitutes found on junctions, and fining nightclubs heavily, prostitution will reduce overnight.

But to ignore all these and just go for men only? It won't end. A quick example. If I am the only one selling Amala in a city, I have the power to prevent everyone in that city not to eat amala if I refuse to sell. By the same analogy, only women, not men, have the power to stop it.

ANd about my saying that ´men create the society and women integrate into it´, creating a society also means banning prostitution. If men ban prostitution and also punish men luring girls for such services, it will end overnight.

cc. lordAdam16, CaveAdullam

folake4u:



Lmao. For real oh. Na men really start this prostitution business but as usual, Straybullet touch women. Na we be scapegoat for their hands. They also blame us for their inability to build African empires like their white counterparts.

Very simple and underrated logic. Look at the Sexuality section of Nairaland (that Ashewo thread), you should sometimes read the comments there, you'd be amazed.

Please turn the thread upside down. I didn't buy data for peace.

Straybullet:


Stop mentioning my name

folake4u:


Oh my gosh, this monicker exists. 😂😂

pansophist:
Gerrard59

In a bid to simplify this, I will ask you a few questions.

1. Can you name anything you know of, either a trade, substances (eg drugs), events (e.g. abortion performance), etc, that the government trying to ban it allows the dealers to go free, but arrest/punish only the buyers?

2. If I want to stop alomo bitters in the Nigerian market, Which method is more effective between these two scenarios? Scenario A. Ban importation and make it punishable for dealers to sell such services, AS well as make it punishable for customers to use such products.

Or scenario B, Punish only customers and let the dealers of alomo trade and conduct their business freely?

If you can answer both questions above correctly, then my point will be very clear.

Back to the issue, sellers/service providers always have more power to stop the circulation of a business. There are so many examples I can mention but is it necessary?

When Buhari doesn't want Twitter, he banned it, AND punish those using VPN to access it. That is more effective than just punishing Twitter users. In most countries, prostitution is illegal. If your method is correct, then it should be the other way around, right?

How can you ignore all the societal structures that encourage prostitution and punish only men? it makes no sense frankly. There are hotels specifically to house harlot, then nightclubs, then roadsides where the harlot stands, then hookup sites such as coded runs, and so much more.

You will ignore all these things and just go arrest men? Really? like REALLY? if you want to cut a tree, you do it from the root. You don't cut the fruits and declare success.

My point still stands. If prostitution has to stop, then women have to stop it, not men. Men could be punished for engaging in such services as trafficking girls, building hotels, and so much more.

But it is women, not men, that control sexual access. Not putting the blame on hungry girls that uses prostitution instead of hard work is infantilizing girls.

If the government bans prostitution, which means closing a lot of hotels, banning the site-coded runs, arresting any prostitutes found on junctions, and fining nightclubs heavily, prostitution will reduce overnight.

But to ignore all these and just go for men only? It won't end. A quick example. If I am the only one selling Amala in a city, I have the power to prevent everyone in that city not to eat amala if I refuse to sell. By the same analogy, only women, not men, have the power to stop it.

ANd about my saying that ´men create the society and women integrate into it´, creating a society also means banning prostitution. If men ban prostitution and also punish men luring girls for such services, it will end overnight.

CaveAdullam:


1. Prostitution is an age-long profession. It can only be limited but can't be eradicated.

Prostitutes meet the demands for sex, both for men occupying the totem pole of society and the peasants fighting for crumbs at the bottom.
Prostitutes are for the lower men in the real sense since the men can't easily attract women because of their position in the hierarchy.

2. The proliferation of prostitution today is because of the liberal culture comprising people who have no religion and fear no GOD.
Religious laws have always helped checkmate human extremities.

Whether God exists or doesn't exists is not the debate here. The laws of God matter despite the fairy tales, myths, and allegories.

3. Societal decline takes various shapes. Prostitution is just a part of it.

What about cybercrime?
What about corrupt leaders?
What about sycophants?
What about vicious people?
What about weak-minded and complacent people?
What about the dumb and slug?
What about the drug dealers?
What about the transgressors?

4. Prostitution has a negative ripple effect in society, however, it poses less of a problem when compared with the aforementioned.

To be candid, prostitutes are not the problem of any decayed society; prostitution is a symptom and consequence of that decay, not the cause.

5. There is a moral deficiency in our society today. Immorality is being glorified. Integrity, truthfulness, humility, honesty, and braveness are being disdained.
Meanwhile, society shapes itself to what the people applaud and pass the batons to the next generation.

6. You can't tell the buyer not to buy fruit when you're selling fruits. And you sell fruits because you want the buyer's money. Prostitutes want money; men want sex. It is a simple exchange.

7. Sex is a common feature in the kingdom Animalia. No matter the restrictions placed, there will always be one man, one woman, one boy, or one girl that will still maneuver the restriction and have sex outside a defined relationship or marriage.
Drug dealers come to mind despite the jail sentences or death penalty if found culpable.

8. Prostitution is prolific in nations with poor economies; sex becomes a game of survival.

Prostitutes offer sex because they want money since no man can cater to their needs. Men want to have sex because of their high libido and it correlates with the act of passing their genes had it been they have their spouses they are cuddling by their bedsides.

9. To limit prostitution in underdeveloped nations, the economy of that nation must be improved. Then, men can live up to their standards and cater to their women and practice an agreed polygamous marriage. And women will choose better jobs or have resourceful men that will take care of them rather than opt for prostitution.

10. In developed nations, prostitutes reign because of a lack of morals. If there are more moral individuals who occupy top positions and know the effects of prostitution and promiscuity, especially on women, it will reduce.

11. No man can ban prostitution. The highest is haunting cathouses. And If it happens, trust me, many women will become sellers in the market while men will visit the market more. The church can be used as a place of contact and exchange. Even shopping malls, libraries, and event centers. The business is now stealthy and will become more expensive - compare this with hard drugs.

12. Incessant promiscuity damages both men and women and society at large.

Once society gets better by having better people just like Lee Kwan Yew, former prime minister of Singapore, and the people are enlightened about the long-term consequences of promiscuity and promiscuity not tolerated or applauded, prostitution will reduce to the ground.

Thanks.

Gerrard59:
Again, you cannot outlaw prostitution. Lee Kuan Yew, who I hold in high esteem, never did. Japanese politicians who I admire never did. You cannot ban prostitution. However, you can build a prosperous society so that the majority of your women will see no need to offer their bodies in order to make ends meet. Then if you create a conservative culture like the Emiratis, the number of your women offering their bodies will drastically reduce. I am willing to bet more Yemeni women are willing to trade their access to their bodies for cash than their Emirati counterparts. Prosperity aka economics trumps religion aka emotions.

Emirati men, Japanese men and Singaporean men NOT Emirati women, Japanese women and Singaporean women were at the forefront of making the UAE, Japan and Singapore prosperous. Nigerian men should do the same and stop the CCTV-ing of women's vaginas.

cc: Karleb

seguno2:


Excellent and detailed analysis built around a very good understanding of economics and human psychology.

There is some literature on Yemeni women being procured for marriage etc. You may find it useful.

folake4u:


Lol. Of course, it is obvious there'd be blame game especially those Baby, let me put just the tip indisciplined men

[/b]About this hookup thing ehn, I believe when there's no demand, there won't be supply also[b]. Ceteris paribus.

Sweetvie:
Get a girlfriend

TheCongo2:


My sweetvie

cocolacec:
The way to reduce hook up is for the government to arrest the men patronising prostitutes on the streets and the web.

The Government should also fine the men heavily like N500,000 or jail term term of 2 years.
Most men will prefer to pay a fine ,the govt generates good money from these money wasting men and it is utilised back into the society.

cocolacec:
The way to reduce hook up is for the government to arrest the men patronising prostitutes on the streets and the web.

The Government should also fine the men heavily like N500,000 or jail term term of 2 years.
Most men will prefer to pay a fine ,the govt generates good money from these money wasting men and it is utilised back into the society.

Gerrard59:
Sequel to these threads (https://www.nairaland.com/7678352/hookup-culture-nigeria-bad-even/1#122971617; https://www.nairaland.com/7680544/what-caused-hookup-culture/5#123045490) where Nairalanders, mostly males, keep complaining about the rise of hookup in Nigeria. I thought it pertinent to outline solutions that will REDUCE, not stop the trend.

The demand for sex by men is rising and consistent. As long as men crave sex and women are the only suppliers, nothing can be done. For hookups to reduce, Nigerian men should reduce their insatiable quest to have sex with random women. It is like having a department where male lecturers don’t do engage in sex for grades, ladies who are open to such will be forced to read their books whether they like it or not. Men create the system and women integrate into it. To buttress this, when women who have been doing hook-up attain 30+ years, there is a declining demand for their services because sexual service is tied to age and how young a woman is. As a result, she is either forced to retire or accept lower fees. This is because her customers – all men – have either stopped patronising her or are offering less cash. The men control the system.

It is a biological fact (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22552705/#:~:text=Sexual) for men to yearn for sex more than women. Women are literally the only people who can quench this thirst. Some will say it is because of greed, but c’mon! If you own something which is in high demand that is not regulated nor banned by the government, are you saying you won’t charge prices for it? Remember, this demand is consistent and persistent.

But errm, hook-up is the same with yahoo yahoo or drugs trading.

That is not true. Cybercrime, like the name implies, is a crime in almost every part of the world. Some governments legalise sex work and even offer health care services and tax them. But no government has legalised defrauding people online. This is because policymakers realise that sex is a natural phenomenon in which humans and animals indulge. You cannot outlaw people having sex. It is not possible. Even in conservative Dubai (https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2023/01/05/women-in-the-middle-east-are-leading-a-revolt-against-prudish-men), women are going behind the corners to import intimacy gadgets. The government by law bans it, but does not arrest those who import it. But try importing guns into the country and see the government’s reaction. Dealing with hard drugs is not a natural concept for humans. It is acquired, so governments ban it or regulate it tightly compared to sex work.

For instance, in Geylang, Singapore, young women mostly from China engage in hookups under regulation from the Singaporean government. But if you transport drugs to Singapore, you get the death penalty, no ifs or buts. Japan has the second biggest porn industry globally, but you will be arrested, denied a lawyer for 21 days and detained or deported if you transport drugs into the country. The UAE restricted Nigerians’ entry, mostly men. The UAE would rather have Nigerian girls doing hookups in Dubai than her men committing cybercrime. There has not been a break-in by the Emirati police to arrest hookers compared to bursting cyber criminals.

cocolacec:
The way to reduce hook up is for the government to arrest the men patronising prostitutes on the streets and the web.

The Government should also fine the men heavily like N500,000 or jail term term of 2 years.
Most men will prefer to pay a fine ,the govt generates good money from these money wasting men and it is utilised back into the society.

Regex:


Sometimes you still pay for sex on Tinder abroad.