LordReed:


You are conflating the start of life on earth with the the universe. Not the same thing.

Where did I say they are the same?

Maynmaynmayn:


What does “earth” even mean?
Have you watched those avatar people, fire bender, water bender and earth bender, are you talking about that “earth”, because there are lots of planets with “earth”.

The earth is this planet.

OLAADEGBU:


The earth is this planet.

What is “earth”?
Who named this planet “earth”?

Other planets don’t have ground?

FRANCISTOWN:


The guy never said whether the Universe was created or not.
He only asked who told the OP that the Universe was created.
So I'll ask you again.
I don't know whether the Universe was created or not but
Who told you the Universe was created?

See the scientific evidence that the universe was created here.

FRANCISTOWN:


This is according to Christianity that Yahweh created the world.
According to the Yoruba religion. Olodumare sent Orunmila and Obatala to create the world.
According to Pastafarians, the Flying Spaghetti created the world
According to Ancient Hinduism religion. Brahmna created the world.
According to Islam, Allah created the world.
Now my question is, who really created the world among all these gods? And what's the proof that such god did

In addition to the hyperlink I supplied above see how this thread addressed your questions.

Maynmaynmayn:


What is “earth”?
Who named this planet “earth”?

Other planets don’t have ground?

See how google is misleading you. Why not try the "world" for a change.

OLAADEGBU:


See how google is misleading you. Why not try the "world" for a change.

Even the bible that you are basing your life on says it’s ground, or was Old Testament written in English?

"Eretz" consistently and soley refers to arable land (and not planet earth), eg, Gen 1:1, 2, 10, 11, 12, 15, 17, 20, 22, 24, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 2:1. Further, "eretz" is explicitly defined in Gen 1:10 as arable ground.

Maynmaynmayn:


Even the bible that you are basing your life on says it’s ground, or was Old Testament written in English?

"Eretz" consistently and soley refers to arable land (and not planet earth), eg, Gen 1:1, 2, 10, 11, 12, 15, 17, 20, 22, 24, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 2:1. Further, "eretz" is explicitly defined in Gen 1:10 as arable ground.

What you call "mother earth" is not your mother.

OLAADEGBU:


What you call "mother earth" is not your mother.

Were you not made from dust?

OLAADEGBU:


Where did I say they are the same?

The logic in the picture you posted seems to suggest so.

OLAADEGBU:


In addition to the hyperlink I supplied above see how this thread addressed your questions.

I followed the link but I still couldn't find anything substantial.


@ the picture you posted.
1. There are also several other religions, but there is one Muhammad, the messenger of God The last and the greatest

2. There are also several religions, but there is one Obatala, Who was not born, who never died, and who never had sins

3. There are also several religions , but there is one Ra. Who has no begining, no ending and no form

4. There are also several religions, but there is one spaghetti monster , who became drunk after 100 years of drinking and went on to create the world.

E.t.c

Where is the proof that your Jesus ever lived, to begin with. Where is the proof that he died, and where is the proof that he resurrected?

OLAADEGBU:


See the scientific evidence that the universe was created here.

I followed this link as well and I'm still much disappointed.

You said the universe cannot create itself, if be? Then God could not have created himself.

You were not there when the so called God created the world. You are only quoting from some outdated fairy tales book written to amuse children.

Why should I believe you as opposed to my Buddhist friend who says the universe came to be by itself or as opposed to my Pastafarian friend who says that a flying Spaghetti Monster created the world because he was drunk after drinking for more than a hundred years

Emusan:


You're his spokesman sheee.

Wetin happen??

Emusan:

Since you don't know if the universe was created or not then _{you should accept whatever you heard about origin of the universe.}
So God created the universe and He told me so.

@ the subscripted text, I should just accept whatever I heard about the origin of life? When it's not that I'm stupid, there are more than 7 theories, one of which is creation, and there are more than 14,000 creation stories, so which one should I accept?

@the emboldened, God told you, he didn't tell me. Let him come and tell me too

Maximus692:


That's why you need to do a bit follow up not just pick few words and conclude like lazy rats!

If you're an investigator and more than ten persons are laying claim that they married the same woman it's incompetence that will make you conclude the woman in question was never married to anyone.

Of course many spirit beings claimed they are Gods and people in ancient times worshiped all these Gods but does that stop a wise person from further research?

NO!

The real husband of a woman must prove who are the parents of this woman from whom he asked for her hands in marriage, talk about her relatives, her best food, color, likes and dislikes, her usual reaction if treated in some ways, her enemies, the children born in that marriage and what those children are doing in line with the plans (will) of their father the one claiming he is the rightful husband.

Now go back to all those religions and use this example to find out who the truth God is!

@the emboldened, I really don't wanna insult you.
And your analogy really didn't have anything to do with what we are talking about .
With my lil research, I discovered that , Buddhists and Hinduists make more sense. Islam tried a lil, but the worst of them all is Christianity, I swr, one needs a kind of brain emptiness to believe in the Christian God

FRANCISTOWN:
Wetin happen??

When you're fighting for him

@ the subscripted text, I should just accept whatever I heard about the origin of life? When it's not that I'm stupid, there are more than 7 theories, one of which is creation, and there are more than 14,000 creation stories, so which one should I accept?

And you initially claimed you don't know if Universe was created or not

@the emboldened, God told you, he didn't tell me. Let him come and tell me too

Then confront Him. Very simple!

Emusan:


When you're fighting for him



And you initially claimed you don't know if Universe was created or not

Of course I don't know, one part says it was created.
Another says it came by itself.
Another says it has always been and will always be.
Another says It came by chance.
So please tell me, if anyone asked me if I knew how the universe came about, would it not be the only sensible thing to say that "I do not know"?

Emusan:

Then confront Him. Very simple!

He's always been the one playing hide and seek

FRANCISTOWN:


@the emboldened, I really don't wanna insult you.
And your analogy really didn't have anything to do with what we are talking about .
With my lil research, I discovered that , Buddhists and Hinduists make more sense. Islam tried a lil, but the worst of them all is Christianity, I swr, one needs a kind of brain emptiness to believe in the Christian God

What good prospect exactly did the gods you heard of in Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam say about the future that adherents of these religions are fulfilling today?

FRANCISTOWN:
Of course I don't know, one part says it was created.
Another says it came by itself.
Another says it has always been and will always be.
Another says It came by chance.

And you don't know more than all the people who proposed the above four, so you must take a stand.

So please tell me, if anyone asked me if I knew how the universe came about, would it not be the only sensible thing to say that "I do not know"?

Then add it to the above

He's always been the one playing hide and seek

Then wait till when He stop playing hide and seek.

Emusan:


And you don't know more than all the people who proposed the above four, so you must take a stand.



Then add it to the above



Then wait till when He stop playing hide and seek.

Why should I be forced to take a stand? Na by force?🤣🤣🤣

Maximus692:


What good prospect exactly did the gods you heard of in Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam say about the future that adherents of these religions are fulfilling today?

We are talking within the confines of creation, not about the teachings of each god.
We are talking about how the universe came to be from different religions' standpoint.
So I'm saying, the creationist story of Buddhist , Hinduists makes more sense at least.

FRANCISTOWN:
Why should I be forced to take a stand? Na by force?🤣🤣🤣

I didn't ask you to take a stand but adding your stand to your list!

Maynmaynmayn:


Were you not made from dust?

You can say that again.

Source

Other planets don’t have dust?

OLAADEGBU:


You can say that again.

Eccelesiate— 3:21
Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth?

What are the thingS all living creatures in this picture have in common?

Emusan:


I didn't ask you to take a stand but adding your stand to your list!

Okay now I'd add mine.
I don't know

FRANCISTOWN:

We are talking within the confines of creation, not about the teachings of each god.
We are talking about how the universe came to be from different religions' standpoint.
So I'm saying, the creationist story of Buddhist , Hinduists makes more sense at least.

That's not how to solve issues.

You're living in a house (earth) and there are many other mansions elsewhere (universe) then several people are laying claim on the house saying they're the landlord you can't conclude on mere presentations saying
"these makes more sense than that"

Since you also live in the same house at least you should care for your own welfare by asking for the prospect each claimer has before building the house, whoever is able to tell what his plans are before building the house and how he's been working towards such prospect is the real owner!

You want to argue over the story of creation asserting that the claims of some religions makes sense yet there is no follow up to back their stories, that's why i asked you:

"What good prospect exactly did the gods of those religions have for the planet they're claiming they created or know how it was formed?"

At least no sane person builds a house without prospect nah!

MaxInDHouse:


That's not how to solve issues.

Why do you like talking as if you are one authority.
I don't get, "that's not how to solve problems". As who? As Omniknowest or what?

MaxInDHouse:

You're living in a house (earth) and there are many other mansions elsewhere (universe) then several people are laying claim on the house saying they're the landlord you can't conclude on mere presentations saying
"these makes more sense than that"

That's what we are saying. Many people who think the are wise are not wise.
If I were living in a house, anyone who lays claim to the house must present irrefutable proofs. Such as the deeds of assignment and/or sale deed, sale agreement, NOC, possession letter, allotment letter, the land documents, receipt of raw materials used...e.t.c
So in such case, who ever is able to provide such proofs would make more sense.

MaxInDHouse:

Since you also live in the same house at least you should care for your own welfare by asking for the prospect each claimer has before building the house, whoever is able to tell what his plans are before building the house and how he's been working towards such prospect is the real owner!

I have no business with whatever the plan of the owner or the builder is. As long as we both are keeping our ends of the agreement.
Trying to pry into the owner's initial plan is a symptom of madness.

MaxInDHouse:

You want to argue over the story of creation asserting that the claims of some religions makes sense yet there is no follow up to back their stories, that's why i asked you:

Which god do you believe in and what follow up is backing up the story?

MaxInDHouse:

"What good prospect exactly did the gods of those religions have for the planet they're claiming they created or know how it was formed?"

Which god do you believe in first of all, so I can know how to reply you.
What good prospect does your own god have for the planet he created? To later burn it up or what?

MaxInDHouse:

At least no sane person builds a house without prospect nah!

No sane person builds a house and see the house deteriorating without doing shit about it

FRANCISTOWN:

Why do you like talking as if you are one authority. I don't get, "that's not how to solve problems". As who? As Omniknowest or what?

You're here questioning the IQ of believers so you shouldn't be provoked when others direct you to what is of greater concern to them after all you're not interested in what really matters to them so you should be ready to hear them out!

FRANCISTOWN:

That's what we are saying. Many people who think the are wise are not wise.
If I were living in a house, anyone who lays claim to the house must present irrefutable proofs. Such as the deeds of assignment and/or sale deed, sale agreement, NOC, possession letter, allotment letter, the land documents, receipt of raw materials used...e.t.c
So in such case, who ever is able to provide such proofs would make more sense.

All these things you're asking became a cause for concern when humans began using documents for authentication but when this house was built such is not the case!

FRANCISTOWN:

I have no business with whatever the plan of the owner or the builder is. As long as we both are keeping our ends of the agreement.
Trying to pry into the owner's initial plan is a symptom of madness.

You should, if not why are you asking questions about who owns the house? Someone who has nothing to do with Nigeria can't claim he builds a house in Nigeria and you say his story makes more sense to you!

FRANCISTOWN:

Which god do you believe in and what follow up is backing up the story?
Which god do you believe in first of all, so I can know how to reply you.
What good prospect does your own god have for the planet he created? To later burn it up or what?

Just as you've said earlier there are many Gods laying claims that they built the earth or know how it was formed. My own God also did the same but he goes further to tell me that He created the earth for humans to live forever on it without setting standards among themselves rather He warned them never to think of setting standards for themselves but they should rely on Him to teach them how they can relate peaceful with their neighbours.
Today politics is the world's problem as many are forcing their opinions on others using weapons to intimidate their subjects this is exactly what my God forbids. So His own worshipers have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally none of them is in support of politics and they are campaigning against politics globally telling their neighbours that neither racial disparities nor religion that's causing wars here and there but politics: the act of imposing what you feel is right or wrong on your fellow man using force!

FRANCISTOWN:

No sane person builds a house and see the house deteriorating without doing shit about it

That's exactly why i said you need to ask for the good prospect those gods have for this planet and what they've been doing to achieve it.
Just as i've said my own God is preparing to exterminate all evildoers on this planet {Psalms 37:9-11} so that only peace loving people will stay forever on it {Proverbs 2:20-22} He promised to stop aging, sickness and death forever {Job 33:25; Isaiah 33:24; 25:8} but before then all inhabitants of this planet must know about this good prospect {Matthew 28:19-20} and today over 8.5 million people are already working towards renovating the earth as they're teaching themselves what my own God promised, they have solved all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and using of weapons against their fellowman and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

This is what i'm asking to know what prospect those gods have for this planet and how they've been working towards achieving it! John 5:17

MaxInDHouse:

You're here questioning the IQ of believers so you shouldn't be provoked when others direct you to what is of greater concern to them after all you're not interested in what really matters to them so you should be ready to hear them out!

All these things you're asking became a cause for concern when humans began using documents for authentication but when this house was built such is not the case!

You should, if not why are you asking questions about who owns the house? Someone who has nothing to do with Nigeria can't claim he builds a house in Nigeria and you say his story makes more sense to you!

Just as you've said earlier there are many God's laying claims that they built the earth or know how it was formed. My own God also did the same but he goes further to tell me that He created the earth for humans to live forever on it without setting standards among themselves rather He warned them never to think of setting standards for themselves but they should rely on Him to teach them how they can relate peaceful with their neighbours.
Today politics is the world's problem as many are forcing their opinions on others using weapons to intimidate their subjects this is exactly what my God forbids. So His own worshipers have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally none of them is in support of politics and they are campaigning against politics globally telling their neighbours that neither racial disparities nor religion that's causing wars here and there but politics: the act of imposing what you feel is right or wrong on your fellow man using force!

That's exactly why i said you need to ask for the good prospect those gods have for this planet and what they've been doing to achieve it.
Just as i've said my own God is preparing to exterminate all evildoers on this planet {Psalms 37:9-11} so that only peace loving people will stay forever on it {Proverbs 2:20-22} He promised to stop aging, sickness and death forever {Job 33:25; Isaiah 33:24; 25:8} but before then all inhabitants of this planet must know about this good prospect {Matthew 28:19-20} and today over 8.5 million people are already working towards renovating the earth as they're teaching themselves what my own God promised, they have solved all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and using of weapons against their fellowman and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

This is what i'm asking to know what prospect those gods have for this planet and how they've been working towards achieving it! John 5:17

Okay,let's wait till your god achieve his prospects and fufil his promises, only then we'll know it's the true God

FRANCISTOWN:

Okay,let's wait till your god achieve his prospects and fufil his promises, only then we'll know it's the true God

Well i thought as much but one thing is clear:
He is working towards achieving it and all the inhabitants of this planet can see His works as His worshipers (JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) are helping millions across the globe to become peacelovers in preparation for the new system of things our God is about to bring!

Thanks for your time.

MaxInDHouse:


Well i thought as much but one thing is clear:
He is working towards achieving it and all the inhabitants of this planet can see His works as His worshipers (JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) are helping millions across the globe to become peacelovers in preparation for the new system of things our God is about to bring!

Thanks for your time.

Ehn ehn, no wonder your approach is different from the dumb heads that I've encountered here.
So you are a Jehovah Witness?

FRANCISTOWN:

Ehn ehn, no wonder your approach is different from the dumb heads that I've encountered here.
So you are a Jehovah Witness?

YES!
The one and only group practicing Christianity that's what it takes to preach and teach not just offensive assertions telling people they will be roasted alive for not accepting your faith!

FRANCISTOWN:


I followed the link but I still couldn't find anything substantial.

Mention one thing you could comprehend from the link if you truly "followed"

FRANCISTOWN:


@ the picture you posted.
1. There are also several other religions, but there is one Muhammad, the messenger of God The last and the greatest

2. There are also several religions, but there is one Obatala, Who was not born, who never died, and who never had sins

3. There are also several religions , but there is one Ra. Who has no begining, no ending and no form

4. There are also several religions, but there is one spaghetti monster , who became drunk after 100 years of drinking and went on to create the world.

E.t.c

This proves the fact that you didn't read the link which refuted all you said above.

FRANCISTOWN:


Where is the proof that your Jesus ever lived, to begin with. Where is the proof that he died, and where is the proof that he resurrected?

Where is the proof that you are human?